House Approves Bill Banning Fake Pot and Imitation Speed

Today the House of Representatives approved a bill aimed at banning imitation speed (a.k.a. "bath salts") and ersatz pot (a.k.a. K2 and spice). The Drug Enforcement Administration already has banned three compounds used in fake speed and five used in fake pot, but the Synthetic Drug Control Act adds a bunch more. It covers 15 specific stimulants, 15 specific synthetic cannabinoids, and other "cannabimimetic agents." The bill's chief sponsor, Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), explained the rationale for adding dozens of additional substances to the list of enemies in the war on drugs:

These substances pose a substantial risk, both to the physical health of the user as well as to the safety of those around them. These drugs contribute to dangerous, psychotic behavior, suicide and public  endangerment. The fact that they are legal has the misconception they are safe and brand names and logos on the packaging promotes the concept of a consistent product.

Dent's bill passed by a vote of 317 to 98. One of the dissenters was Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.), who said:

I have read the press reports of young people who have been harmed by these substances and others and I'm very sympathetic, but we shouldn't legislate on the basis of this evidence. It is a shoot first, ask questions later [policy] that we have taken in this country for decades. Our national drug policy should be driven by science, not politics.

Crazy talk. A similar bill, covering fake pot only, is making its way through the Senate.

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  • sarcasmic||

    My question is this: Do you own your own body?

    If the answer is yes, then what right does someone have to tell you what chemicals you may or may not put into it?

    If someone can use violence against you for putting chemicals in your body, then obviously you do not own it.

    The question then becomes this: Who does?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Are you asking us if you are free to gambol through your own circulatory system? Your right to swing your joint-filled fist up to your mouth ends at my nosing into your business.

    Or something like that. Anyway, it's real congressmen showing fake concern and imitation leadership.

  • o3||

    obviously sarcasmic's put quite a few chemicals into his body.

  • anon||

    Government, duh.

  • Gojira||

    Did you see the comment I re-posted from the National Review Online article yesterday dealing with Rand Paul?

    The guy basically said that unlike booze, which is "ingrained" in the culture of the West, drugs are not. It is a cultural struggle, which he does not mind waging, because, "I like being able to go into my backyard and not seeing somebody smoking a joint. I'm willing to sacrifice the blood and money needed to keep it that way".

    This is a TEAM RED example, but that sentiment applies equally to TEAM BLUE soccer moms.

  • Susan||

    You have a right to live in a drug free society. Freedom is drug free.

  • barfman||

    *barf*

  • Apatheist||

    Are you Alan's husband?

  • Troll Swatter||

    You are trolling right?
    Fucking garbage.

  • Susan||

    It is banned for the protection of society. Any intoxicant should be banned because it can cause dangerous behavior. You may own your body, but you don't have a right to endanger others.

  • barfman||

    *barf*

  • James||

    Alcohol was banned for the protection of society too. That worked out well didn't it

  • Restoras||

    Hey it gave us our first Royal Family!

  • Meaty Balls||

    It also gave women, like Susan, the right to vote.

  • sarcasmic||

    Before prohibition 75% of federal revenue came from taxing alcohol. One excuse for creating the income tax was to pave the way for prohibition.
    So in a roundabout way you could say prohibition brought us the income tax!
    Hooray prohibition!

  • robc||

    The Adamses?

  • Mr Whipple||

    No victim, no crime. What part of that don't you understand?

  • Juanita||

    I have not posted for awhile because you fail to admit and accept the dangers caused by the people who use these drugs. Are you free to drink a gallon of gasoline?

  • Winston||

    Are you free to drink a gallon of gasoline?

    Not today, but I have some time Saturday. It's a date! (And ladies first, of course.)

  • Mr Whipple||

    ...you fail to admit and accept the dangers caused by the people who use these drugs.

    No, I do not. If and when they cause harm or damage, then there is a "victim". Until then, fuck off.

  • sarcasmic||

    +100 to Mr Whipple

  • Brett L||

    Sure. You'll only do it once.

  • Appalachian Australian||

    Gasoline is a popular beverage in the Northern Territories (to the point milk bars have it for sale in convenient, litre-sized jugs in their refrigerators, right next to the iced coffee).

    Business booms the day people get their CentreLink payments.

  • Mr Whipple||

    Just below the vellocet and synthemesc.

  • sarcasmic||

    you fail to admit and accept the dangers caused by the people who use these drugs

    You fail to admit and accept that the vast majority of people who use these drugs pose no danger to anyone, and the ones who do are likely dangerous without the drugs.

    You can't fix stupid.

    Stupid is going to do stupid things because stupid is stupid.

    Add some intoxicant and yeah stupid is more likely to do stupid things, but the root cause is the stupid, not the chemicals.

  • Number 2||

    Yeah! Protection of society!

    Because fake pot is a gateway to digital pot, which is a gateway to real pot, which is a gateway to heroin and other opium derivatives, which is a gateway to terrorism, which is a gateway to nuclear war, which is a gateway to doom!

  • JD the elder||

    "Any intoxicant should be banned because it can cause dangerous behavior."

    By which standard alcohol, implicated in a huge amount of crimes and accidents, should be banned, but weed, LSD, and Ecstasy should be legal.

  • anon||

    Also, I agree with the conclusion of your argument but think the method of getting there is a bit specious.

  • Left Anarchist Douce||

    You cannot own yourself, you are yourself.

  • ||

    "My question is this: Do you own your own body?"

    Only if you are free to gambol across the plains.

  • Brandon||

    You are, to the extent you also own the plains.

  • ||

    "The fact that they are legal has the misconception they are safe"

    It's this exact sentiment that is destroying this country. Ummm, no Mr. Representative, just because something is legal does not automatically make it condoned or suggested. People are perfectly capable of living their lives without you determining their choices.

  • ||

    The thing is, this guy probably votes the other way on tobacco, wanting to keep it legal but also believing that we all know it's unsafe.

  • Restoras||

    Well yeah because tobacco provides a steady stream of revenue to fund various government operations.

  • Tym||

    "The fact that they are legal has the misconception they are safe"

    Like tobacco, alcohol, fatty foods, skydiving, motorcycles and other legal things that are totally safe and free from risk.

  • ||

    The fact that they are legal has the misconception they are safe

    The fact has the misconception?

    I get that our evil overlords love to fuck us. I understand that. But the fact that they can't even speak English while they do so is just insulting.

  • juris imprudent||

    What - you don't understand care-speak?

  • ||

    Well, they're not just evil, they're stupid too. Duh. What did you expect? And to think you use this series of tubes called the intertubes.

  • ||

    Past generations of evil overlords could speak well, and also grow magnificent mustaches, while bamboozling the nation's morons into voting for them. We've been cheated.

  • ||

    No one voted for Oliver Wendell Holmes, dude. He was appointed.

  • ||

    He had to bamboozle the moronic evil overlords in the Senate into voting for him, didn't he? He bamboozled the bamboozlers.

  • ||

    So you're still upset that John Bolton didn't run for the GOP nomination, then?

  • ||

    Fucking English, how does they works?!

  • RoboCain||

    LOL

  • Brett L||

    Anglo-Saxons felt exactly the same in the 1100s.

  • Gojira||

    So the conclusion is...in 800 years we will have a kick-ass empire!

  • ||

    I would be fine with being conquered by Vikings, even if they spoke French. It would be considerably more dignified than being ruled by our current overlords, wouldn't it?

  • Brett L||

    But then there would be random, capricious, and arbitary applications of justice that didn't apply to the ruling class and their enforcers.

    Shit. You're right.

  • juris imprudent||

    Rock climbing and hang gliding are perfectly legal, and only safe if you are cautious. Get reckless with either one of those and there is a good chance you end up dead. I guess we should make them illegal because you know you can't trust people and someone might get hurt or killed.

  • flye||

    See: Motorcycle helmet laws.

    Once we all pay for each others' health care, all bets are off since Cost To Society will trump freedom every time.

  • ola||

    Great, this will provide many more inmates in Newt's Singapore style rehabilitation centers, in order to stop people from doing illegal things.

  • ||

    Rs: 220-16, Ds: 97-82.

    The Rs against include most of the usual libertarian-leaners: Amash of MI, Flake, Broun (GA). Fair number of Californian Rs, including (John) Campbell, Rohrabacher, McClintock. Couple of freshmen, like Woodall of GA (and Amash).

    Paul, like Bachmann, among those who didn't vote because of running for Presidency.

  • Lord Humungus||

    I can proudly say that Amash is my rep.

  • ola||

    where is the link for who voted how?

  • ||

  • Hank||

    Paul, like Bachmann, among those who didn't vote because of running for Presidency.

    Can we take a moment out of our regularly-scheduled outrage to be outraged at this for a moment?

    Do your fucking job or resign. I don't get to take time off to interview for other jobs. Because it's Paul, I want to hope/pretend he used banked PTO or something, but goddamn it pisses me off.

  • ||

    Eh, it's 317-98. I'd be more upset on a close vote.

  • Hank||

    I demand outrage!

    [grumbles, kicks rock]

  • veemee sashimi||

    If it was a close vote he would have been there and he would have obviously voted no.

  • juris imprudent||

    A similar bill, covering fake pot only, is making its way through the Senate.

    My guess is that not only does the conference committee merge these beasts but they throw in 4 Loko for good measure.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    But fake sugar and fake beer evidently are just fine.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    As are fake milk (soy, almond, coconut), fake meat (TVP), and I'm sure lots of other fake products I'm not remembering right now.

  • ||

    fake boobies.

  • Barak Obama||

    fake handles

  • Jesse Ventura||

    Fake birth certificates.

  • Adm Mike Boorda||

    Or faked service records.

  • ||

    the way this subthread has progressed might imply that I have fake boobs. Let me reassure the American People that my moobs are 100% Real.

  • Tim||

    "cannabimimetic"

    Gah! Who can pronounce that?

  • Geoff Nathan||

    Tried to be a smartass and post on how to pronounce that word in IPA symbols, but the squirrels don't like that. They actually sent me a message:

    'Your comment does not appear to be written in an English script. Please comment in English.'
    Oh well....

  • robc||

    I somehow managed to post an entire poem in Welsh without triggering that message.

  • Tim||

    "Help me Obi Wan Cannabimimetic, you're my only hope!"

  • ||

    Help me Obi Wan Cannabimimetic, you're my only hope dope!

  • ||

    "cannabimimetic"

    Gah! Who can pronounce that?"

    It's easy if you're high.

  • anon||

    Lots of my peers use mind altering drugs like adderall to get an edge in law school; I don't know why my preferred vices should be treated any differently.

  • o3||

    because the pharmaceutical cos dont profit ? just a wild guess

  • Mr Whipple||

    Sure. It was the pharmaceutical companies that had the FBI put the Philly Mob and the Pagans MC out of business for selling meth, just so that they could sell their suck-ass adderall and provigil. If you want real speed, try desoxyn. Good luck trying to get that from your doctor.

  • ||

    They trust us to buy Drano. They trust us with chain saws. Just don't ever let them think that anyone might actually enjoy clearing drains or felling trees because then these products would be evil.

  • Mr Whipple||

    IIRC, bath salts are 2C-E (2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine). The Analog Act banned the marketing of this substance for human consumption. So, some geniuses decided to mis-market it as bath salts (not for human consumption). It wasn't necessarily the drug that caused all of the problems, it was the mislabeling. 2C-E is only really dangerous when it is taken without prior knowledge of its effects. People were taking it, thinking it was the same as speed. It is not the same as speed, it is a powerful psychedelic.

    The mislabeling and mismarketing and false preconceived ideas about this drug is what caused all of the problems. This is the direct result of governemnt interfering in the markets under the guise of "protection". This is just an unintended, but foreseeable, consequence of piss-poor government policy. Get the government out of my medicine cabinet.

  • Mr Whipple||

    The companies that intentionally mislabeled the product also bear some liability for fraud. Although, that may be a tough case to prove.

  • o3||

    no federal statute or reg mandated mis-labeling & mis-marketing. this was an unethical business decision...which libtoidz are forced to deny.

  • Appalachian Australian||

    What's wrong with a business that sells bath salts?

    My grandma always had a box of Calgon Bath Oil Beads next to her bathtub, and the thought never crossed my mind to drink/smoke/inject them.

  • Mr Whipple||

    My Grandpa always had some model airplane glue, and the thought never crossed my mind to drink/smoke/inject squeeze it into a plastic bag and huff them.

  • Mr Whipple||

    no federal statute or reg mandated mis-labeling & mis-marketing. this was an unethical business decision

    Do you understand the meaning of the term "unintended consequence"?

  • James||

    Wikipedia says bath salts are mephedrone, and I believe it because I'd be buying bath salts if they were in the 2C-family.

  • Mr Whipple||

    It depends on the brand. I would check Erowid, not Wiki. And not all 2Cs are psychoactive. 2C-B is the most "common". The cases of bath salt deaths in MN and OK were, in fact, 2C-E.

  • Mr Whipple||

    May 2011: Three deaths have been reported from 2C-E, one in March in Minnesota and
    two in May in Oklahoma. In the OK case the material was purchased from now defunct
    Chemicology.net and is thought now to have been mislabeled bromo-dragonfly.

  • ||

    Hooray, more taxes increases to pay for more people being thrown in jail.

  • RoboCain||

    If only we could ban fake logic and imitation English.

  • juris imprudent||

    Sadly concern "for the children" is completely sincere if utterly misplaced.

  • Zuo||

    Gents: here is steve cohen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp_2Cw4RH1c

    Remember to never cite him as a source of reason, or anything BUT crazy. Ever.

  • ||

    Wondering whether or not it's wise to maintain your affiliation to any one of the estimated sixteen currently-active Mexican Drug Cartels? Then maybe you should consider the following information very carefully:

    As a gesture of good will vis-à-vis cross-border relations, key members of the American Federal Government have recently pledged a solemn oath, declaring their commitment to encouraging people like yourself to increase performance and productivity. In particular, the United States Department of Justice will guarantee that you achieve a respectable level of technology in both military grade weapons and equipment while actively facilitating the laundering of that swirling cascade of cash that a business like yours invariably and continually generates.

    Still not convinced that during prohibition the phenomenal benefits of remaining an international drug criminal far outweigh the remotely possible, negative consequences? Here's another recent DOJ announcement, and this time written personally by their principal corporate attorney whose main priority is keeping himself out of jail:

    "For nearly three years, I have been privileged to work closely with many of the most ruthless organizations to the south of our border. I am extremely proud of our record of abuse, fraud, waste and misconduct, and I pledge a continuation of all such policies that will further weaken our national security and compromise all honest efforts of law enforcement."
    - Attorney General Holder.

    Some people, it appears, have absolutely no problem being simultaneously absurd and very evil.

    Must we wait for a complete economic collapse to regain our "unalienable­" rights?
    Or is it high time we all stood up and told our government that we're pooped at being beaten and jailed in order that unconscionable Transnational Corporations can continue to addict & poison us for obscene profits?

    "I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Nike Dunk Shoes||

    thanks

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