Was Prop. 19's Defeat a Victory?

"In many ways," writes Aaron Houston of Students for Sensible Drug Policy, "we did win" last night. Not in the most obvious way, mind you, since Proposition 19, California's marijuana legalization initiative, ultimately attracted support from only 46 percent of voters, down from 52 percent in a September survey by the Public Policy Institute of California. The actual outcome was exactly what poll maven Nate Silver projected two weeks ago based on "a trendline from all surveys on the initiative." Despite a conspicuous pro-legalization campaign that far outspent the opposition, the share of Californians who voted for Prop. 19 was only two percentage points higher than the share of Nevadans who supported a similar initiative, Question 7, in 2006. Still, says Houston, "Proposition 19 has done more for the marijuana legalization movement than anything to date," because it "has brought the failures of prohibition under a global spotlight and reframed the debate in our favor." Ethan Nadelmann of the Drug Policy Alliance likewise tries to find a silver lining in Prop. 19's defeat:

We should savor this moment. Although Prop. 19, California's ballot initiative to end marijuana prohibition, did not prevail at the ballot box, this vote marks an historic victory for marijuana reform.

Even without becoming law, Prop. 19 has had a permanent impact on the national conversation. This initiative has elevated and legitimized public discourse about marijuana and marijuana policy in a way I have never seen before. Because of Prop. 19, marijuana reform is now a mainstream political issue.

Although this is the sort of thing you'd expect drug policy reform groups to tell their supporters (and donors) after a disappointment like this, I think there is a lot of truth to it. The debate over Prop. 19, which received a great deal of national attention by virtue of California's size and significance, has highlighted the intellectual bankruptcy of the prohibitionist position in a way that nothing in recent memory has. Drug warriors were (or should have been) highly motivated to defeat the initiative because of the precedent it would set for drug policy federalism. Yet their arguments were embarrassingly bad. Really, really, really, really, really bad. This weakness, together with the growing influence of age cohorts in which a history of marijuana use is the norm, is reflected in rising public support for legalization, which a Gallup poll last week put at 46 percent—a new high in that organization's surveys. By contrast, a Gallup poll in 1977, a time that is remembered as relatively pot-tolerant compared to the Just Say No era that followed it, found that only 28 percent of Americans favored legalization.

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  • Patriot Mike||

    Or we could give up our Socialist Security numbers, that mark us as United States Citezens, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof", and re-claim our common law rights. No victim, no crime. That's why they had to amend the Constitution to enact Prohibition, we were still common law citizens, not subject to Federal jurisdiction.

  • affenkopf||

    Unforunately the people with the most guns (government) don't agree.

  • Patriot Mike||

    If the Berlin Wall can come down, we can reclaim our unalienable rights.

  • Dello||

    Perhaps, but only in Berlin.

  • 1st Amendment||

    I'll start packing.

  • Sandi||

    I took a shit in Berlin once.

  • oh||

    She sounds like a nice girl to allow that sort of thing. Oh, I though you said "on" sorry.

  • ||

    California is fucked anyway. I expect them and Jerry Brown to implode with the year and Los Angeles to be cordoned off a prison camp from which Kurt Russell must escape.

  • Plissken||

    Hell if I'm ever going back to California

  • BakedPenguin||

    Russell's smart enough to live in CO.

  • Bingo||

    These are the same sort of mental contortions that the pro-life movement puts itself through when one of their initiatives loses but gets a non-zero percent of the vote. I'll remain cynical that marijuana reform is going to gain any traction.

  • The Unborn||

    They have my vote. Screw you.

  • Zeb||

    Not 'till you're 18.

  • ola||

    Oh, so prop 19 going down was actually a win. I see. So the repubs winning 60 seats in the house means more democratic control. Got it. Jerry Brown the new governor, more sanity in Sacramento. You betcha. Brett Favre quarterbacking the vikings to a super bowl. Fuck You.

  • ||

    Fuck you too. Smoke a bowl and chill out.

  • ||

    In the long run, this battle was a joint smoked around the world. Because Marijuana hit mass media, more support will definitely arise. Until it's legalized, the people who need it in certain states can get it.

  • Ryan||

    damn, you are retarded. it is a win in the sense that it has gained national attention and is gaining traction. 10 years ago, a vote like this would have been a landslide for no legalization.

  • ||

    Anyone else notice that the Emerald Triangle counties voted no on 19? We are truly fighting against the baptists/bootlegger dynamic, and not just the baptists.

  • Lone Wookie||

    Why should they vote for taxation and regulation when they have it so good now? Not that there's anything right with that.

  • ||

    This makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about this. The dealers and buyers don't get taxed now and if it were legalized then they would have to pay taxes on their stash. I can see how that would suck.

  • Corduroy||

    Rent seeking sons of bitches

  • ♥♥♥||

    It's not the taxes, it's the price. Legal weed ain't gonna cost $15 a gram.

  • -||

    Right. And I can get good bourbon for $5 a quart.

  • California Baptists||

    We told you this would happen.

    Good thing we held our ground on the dope last night.

  • In Time of War||

    It's because they're money-grubbing, Capitalist scum. I bet they secretly wear top hats and monocles while tending to their illegal indoor grows.

  • asdf||

    Voters were disproportionally older this election due to it being a mid term, next time it will pass.

  • Tim||

    The sixties kids are in their sixties.

  • ||

    The 50's kids are in the 60's, the 60's kids are in their 50's.

    Those groovy motherfuckers still piss me off to no end those.*

    *Actually, the 60's hippie movement was a small minority of the overall population, which was much more conservative than popular media would have us believe. They didn't get conservative as they got older for the most part, they just got older.

  • ||

    "Those groovy motherfuckers piss me off to no end"

    bwahahahahahaaaa!! thats the best thing ive heard/read in this lifetime lol you my friend have just brought a laugh that i didnt think was possible under these dire circumstances :)

  • In Time of War||

    Fuck hippies. The most over-rated generation in history.

  • Zeb||

    I don't know. Actual hippies were kind of cool. If you want to try to drop out of society and make a living as a bum, more power to you. The problem starts when instead of trying to drop out, they become mainline socialists and try to impose their crazy ideas on people who are not into it.

  • -||

    You're kind of stupid. The hippies were not a "generation." Most Americans in the 60s were not hippies.

  • ||

    You planning on killing a bunch of old people? Older voters always show up more often. Only thing you can hope for is that future older voters will be more inclined to support the intiative that current older voters.

  • ||

    Older voters do always show up in higher numbers, but the balance is usually quite a bit closer in presidential election years. It's not that fewer old folks will show up; it's just that more young people will vote.

  • asdf||

    Right.

  • Paul||

    Except the "older voters" are the ones who smoked weed in the 60s. Where's that gotten us?

  • Tim||

    Thus was the specter of Wal Mart putting the boots to local head shops averted.

  • ¢||

    The campaign just wasn't Nazi-funded enough.
    Was there marching? I didn't see any.

    Yet their arguments were embarrassingly bad.

    Those are the ones that win.

    Gotta march 'em down.
    HEIL

  • Special Sauce||

    Brown, Newsom, Boxer, etc. and NO on Prop 19??? For the love of God, I can't live in this fucked up state anymore... we might possibly have the most idiotic electorate EVER, on par with the folks who vote for the Strom Thurmond's and Barney Frank's of the world, except multiply that by 1000. FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!!!

  • Joe M||

    And it's only going to get worse as more and more people like you leave, sadly.

  • A Rand||

    Told ya' so

  • Libertarians in Massachusetts||

    we might possibly have the most idiotic electorate EVER

    We beg to differ.

  • Bingo||

    Libertarians in Massachusetts

    You might be better off if you could get on the endangered species list..

  • Alex||

    Might help if you still had a party...

  • CA boy||

    Yeah, the whole country goes Republican, but CA doubles down on the most bone-headed Dems in the country. Not only that, the voters in my area voted for every parcel and vehicle tax on our ballot. Thank god the rest of the props went the right way.

  • Patriot Mike||

    Take lemons and make lemonade - let's hold Reefer Madness film festivals all over the country. Let the statists see what their drug war is based on.

  • ANON||

    FUCX EVERYONE, CANNABIS IS LEGAL in MY home

  • Special Sauce||

    ^^^ THIS ^^^

  • Jeff Spicoli||

    Dude!

  • In Time of War||

    I would highly advise you to avoid having a dog as your pet...

  • ||

    Prop 19 got almost the same percentage of votes that gay marriage got in 2008 (46% vs 47% for gay marriage). Ending prohibition is every bit as mainstream a position as gay marriage. Point that fact out the next time some blue team statist makes a "you lost the governor moonbeam vote".

  • ||

    You know, it would be fine if California was the typical conservative-liberal divide, but for the percentages it generates on certain votes, there must be a healthy percentage of communitarians that just want the government to change their diaper and spank them when they're bad. I can tolerate a liberal or a conservative, but these motherfuckers need a freedom enema.

  • ||

    Seriously. Is there anything a majority of the people of California don't think the government should control?

  • Paul||

    Is there anything a majority of the people of California don't think the government should control?

    The government.

  • Paul||

    And this re-re-reconfirms my intitial suspicions. A lot of Jerry Brown voters don't want legal weed.

  • CA boy||

    Jerry Brown was against Prop 19, BTW! We didn't have a single mainstream politician back it.

  • Bingo||

    I'm still wondering what sort of cognitive dissonance you need to have to be a Team Blue partisan, consistently elect people that have no respect for individual liberty and support an intrusive government that pokes its fingers into all areas of economic activity, and then expect them to leave you alone to consume a product in the privacy of your own home.

    This isn't a Red Team endorsement as they have their own bizarre leaps of logic, but c'mon Blue Team, isn't it obvious what you're electing?

  • ||

    You forget the comforting mantra of the Democrats: Anything we don't like is the Republican's fault. Democrats can't come out for legal drugs because FOXiburton will slaughter them in the all powerful conservative media.

    The reverse is also, of course, true. This is the true genius of Manichean politics.

  • Paul||

    I don't know what the history of vote percentages marijuana bills have been getting since they started popping up on ballots when I was but a wee bairn... but I can tell you that I've been hearing "Next time" for a very, very long time.

  • ||

    Really? I always considered ending any prohibition to be pretty much unthinkable. I can't believe Prop 19 would have gotten 10% of the vote 20 years ago.

  • Paul||

    Like I say, I can't say what percentage swings were. (I'm pretty sure they were getting more than 10%) But regardless, even if you're right, and this is truly an incremental process, this is quite possibly the most glacially paced reform process I've ever seen in my life. I mean, that I haven't yet seen in my life-- to be more accurate.

    Either way, I knew this fucking thing wouldn't pass, and sadly, I was right.

  • Robert||

    Then your life must have been short. Reform processes typically take generations.

  • Robert||

    People have been hearing "next time" for a long time, but the times have been far apart. John is right, this was an upset against the handicappers and the only reason it's disappointing is because it'd already showed itself to be competitive months earlier -- and it slipped only a little from those polls. But it wasn't just months ago that the campaign for it began, and at that time (including the fundraising for the petition drive) it must've seemed much more daunting.

    "Next time" will next come much sooner, and the money for both sides will come easier because now people see it's close.

  • Paul||

    "In many ways," writes Aaron Houston of Students for Sensible Drug Policy "we did win" last night.

    *head in hands, sobbing*

  • Paul||

    Californians: Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself...

  • ||

    fascist fear, divisiveness and thuggery wins the day.

    higher consciousness continues the good work quietly, one person at a time.

    peace

  • NORML||

    The battle is lost, but the war continues....

  • Anon||

    At least I'm comfortable with the fact that I grow my own. I'm not supporting the drug cartels. Either way January 1st brings the punishment for possession down from a misdemeanor to a fine or something.

  • Net Neutrality Commission||

    Would you mind providing your IP address or do we have to come and get it?

  • The Feds||

    Either way January 1st brings the punishment for possession down from a misdemeanor to a fine or something.

    We beg to differ...

  • ||

    no need to beg

    jussay please

  • Bolton||

    For more articles on Prop 19 and smallcap stocks visit our website pennypayday.com

    Money and voter apathy was a killer for Prop 19 in California. Late in flows of funds handcuffed advertising plans and only San Francisco voters went to the polls to support the initiative, the important areas around Los Angeles stayed away from voting although many demographiocs supported the bill.

    It is clear that it is only a matter of time for Prop 19 and funding efforts no doubt will be top priority as we head into 2012, "The fact that millions of Californians voted to legalize marijuana is a tremendous victory,'' Proposition 19's proponent Richard Lee said. "We have broken the glass ceiling. Prop. 19 has changed the terms of the debate and that was a major strategic goal." Lee said he would attempt to qualify another initiative in 2012 to legalize marijuana.

    "With limited resources this time around we were able to build an enormously powerful coalition of cops and moms, law professors and civil rights leaders, liberals and libertarians, conservatives and unions, all for change," Lee said. "This coalition will only continue to grow in size and strength as we prepare for 2012."

  • ||

    yep

    nationally as well

    the great green monsta groze

    perhaps the prez, eye-on-relection, will light one up on prime time.

    shame on the mean-spirited prohibtionists

  • ||

    oops sp issues

  • ||

    It took 14 years to figure out prop 215, i Prop 19 would have passes, who knows how long it would have taken to figure it out.
    It would have only forced the FEDS to come in and regulate.
    How will Prop 19 affect you?

    • Are you age 18-20? You will not be allowed to consume cannabis legally under Prop 19. Currently, all you need is a medical recommendation to do so.

    • Do you interact with anyone under age of 21? You will be looking at up to 6 months in jail for passing them a joint. (If the person is under 18 you will be looking at up to 7 years in prison.)

    • Do you live in the same "space" and a minor? (Space could mean anything from the same house to an entire apartment complex.) You will not be allowed to consume cannabis.

    • Do you rent your home? Prop 19 will only allow you to grow cannabis if you have permission from your landlord. Due to the risks involved, many (if not most) California landlords do not allow it. How is this legalization?

    • Do you grow cannabis with a doctor recommendation? Prop 19 will likely be interpreted by law enforcement and judges to limit your grow space to 5′x5′.

    • Do you provide your extra medical cannabis to dispensaries? It will be a crime to do so if Prop 19 passes. In addition, large Oakland growers and tobacco companies will take control of the market and push you out.

    • Do you currently have to use your medical cannabis anywhere but home? Prop 19 will prevent patients from using their medicine anywhere in pubic. Which for many people with illnesses is not always possible.

    • Do you sell your extra medical cannabis to other medical patients? Prop 19 will make this practice illegal. Even if you are only selling it to cover your growing cost.

    • Do you currently enjoy the use of cannabis free from Government interference? Not only will the Government impose excessive taxes under Prop 19, but the federal government will likely respond with unprecedented action against California cannabis users. "The federal Controlled Substances Act makes it a felony to grow or sell cannabis. California can repeal its own marijuana laws, leaving enforcement to the feds. But it can’t legalize a federal felony. Therefore, any grower or seller paying California taxes on marijuana sales or filing pot-related California regulatory paperwork would be confessing, in writing, to multiple federal crimes."

    sad that such a large amount of supporters of prop 19 will be voting to degrade the quality of weed and make it illegal for any person under 21 (even with medical cards) to use. handing over the industry to big tobacco, and create new felonies.

  • DEA||

    Thank you for your help

  • ||

    looks more like the crux vote came down to a substantial number of med mj advocates who were protecting their financial interests.

    sad but understandable

  • ||

    Prop 19 won't do jack shit. It lost.

    Space could mean anything from the same house to an entire apartment complex.

    Citation needed.

    Do you grow cannabis with a doctor recommendation? Prop 19 will likely be interpreted by law enforcement and judges to limit your grow space to 5′x5′.

    Prop 19 specifically left existing medical laws in place, which shoots down another handful of your "points".

    Due to the risks involved, many (if not most) California landlords do not allow it.

    Says who?

    California can repeal its own marijuana laws, leaving enforcement to the feds. But it can’t legalize a federal felony

    Medical marijuana had (and still has) exactly the same problem in terms of conflict with federal law. Seems like that worked out fine.

  • ||

    obama and the dems need the progressives more than ever and will make the dea turn the other cheek.

    the progressives want a third party. we'll welcome most of the libertoonians also.

  • Lisa||

    Exactly.

  • ||

    It took 14 years to figure out prop 215, i Prop 19 would have passes, who knows how long it would have taken to figure it out.
    It would have only forced the FEDS to come in and regulate.
    How will Prop 19 affect you?

    • Are you age 18-20? You will not be allowed to consume cannabis legally under Prop 19. Currently, all you need is a medical recommendation to do so.

    • Do you interact with anyone under age of 21? You will be looking at up to 6 months in jail for passing them a joint. (If the person is under 18 you will be looking at up to 7 years in prison.)

    • Do you live in the same "space" and a minor? (Space could mean anything from the same house to an entire apartment complex.) You will not be allowed to consume cannabis.

    • Do you rent your home? Prop 19 will only allow you to grow cannabis if you have permission from your landlord. Due to the risks involved, many (if not most) California landlords do not allow it. How is this legalization?

    • Do you grow cannabis with a doctor recommendation? Prop 19 will likely be interpreted by law enforcement and judges to limit your grow space to 5′x5′.

    • Do you provide your extra medical cannabis to dispensaries? It will be a crime to do so if Prop 19 passes. In addition, large Oakland growers and tobacco companies will take control of the market and push you out.

    • Do you currently have to use your medical cannabis anywhere but home? Prop 19 will prevent patients from using their medicine anywhere in pubic. Which for many people with illnesses is not always possible.

    • Do you sell your extra medical cannabis to other medical patients? Prop 19 will make this practice illegal. Even if you are only selling it to cover your growing cost.

    • Do you currently enjoy the use of cannabis free from Government interference? Not only will the Government impose excessive taxes under Prop 19, but the federal government will likely respond with unprecedented action against California cannabis users. "The federal Controlled Substances Act makes it a felony to grow or sell cannabis. California can repeal its own marijuana laws, leaving enforcement to the feds. But it can’t legalize a federal felony. Therefore, any grower or seller paying California taxes on marijuana sales or filing pot-related California regulatory paperwork would be confessing, in writing, to multiple federal crimes."

    sad that such a large amount of supporters of prop 19 will be voting to degrade the quality of weed and make it illegal for any person under 21 (even with medical cards) to use. handing over the industry to big tobacco, and create new felonies.

  • Paul||

    You can say that again.

  • ||

    sorry lady get a life

  • ||

    • Are you age 18-20? You will not be allowed to consume cannabis legally under Prop 19. Currently, all you need is a medical recommendation to do so.

    Prop 19 changes no laws regarding prop215. Stop spreading lies.

    • Do you interact with anyone under age of 21? You will be looking at up to 6 months in jail for passing them a joint. (If the person is under 18 you will be looking at up to 7 years in prison.)

    So what...Stop contibuting to the deliquency of minors...

    • Do you live in the same "space" and a minor? (Space could mean anything from the same house to an entire apartment complex.) You will not be allowed to consume cannabis.

    Space could also mean the entire cosmos...

    • Do you rent your home? Prop 19 will only allow you to grow cannabis if you have permission from your landlord. Due to the risks involved, many (if not most) California landlords do not allow it. How is this legalization?

    Land Lords have the right to regulate many things...Some don't let you smoke cigarettes in the apartment, what is your point?

    • Do you grow cannabis with a doctor recommendation? Prop 19 will likely be interpreted by law enforcement and judges to limit your grow space to 5′x5′.

    See first point...

    • Do you provide your extra medical cannabis to dispensaries? It will be a crime to do so if Prop 19 passes. In addition, large Oakland growers and tobacco companies will take control of the market and push you out.

    Again nothing changes as far as prop 215...

    • Do you currently have to use your medical cannabis anywhere but home? Prop 19 will prevent patients from using their medicine anywhere in pubic. Which for many people with illnesses is not always possible.

    • Do you sell your extra medical cannabis to other medical patients? Prop 19 will make this practice illegal. Even if you are only selling it to cover your growing cost.

    WRONG...Read the prop please...

    • Do you currently enjoy the use of cannabis free from Government interference? Not only will the Government impose excessive taxes under Prop 19, but the federal government will likely respond with unprecedented action against California cannabis users. "The federal Controlled Substances Act makes it a felony to grow or sell cannabis. California can repeal its own marijuana laws, leaving enforcement to the feds. But it can’t legalize a federal felony. Therefore, any grower or seller paying California taxes on marijuana sales or filing pot-related California regulatory paperwork would be confessing, in writing, to multiple federal crimes."

    You must be a current grower/dealer who would have faced losing much of your profits if this measure did pass. Hey Tylenol and Bic and many other companies only had seven years (I think) to sell their products at bloated costs, you've had more than a decade...Stop being selfish and do the right thing. The illegalization of cannabis was unconstitutional, that is why they had to add an amendment to the contitution in order to pass their unjust law. There are three types of people that voted this down:

    1)The misinformed
    2)Those who faced losing something (growers, sellers, law enforcement etc...)
    3)And people who think that they somehow have a right to tell others what they can and can't do...

  • ||

    It is a sad day. It's really unbelievable how many hypocrites we have in our state. I'm sure the majority of people who voted against 19 are alcohol or tobacco consumers and their all for those death drugs, but god forbid we legalize something that will not just help our state tremendously, but will also not hurt you in any way if used responsibly.

  • Paul||

    It is a sad day. It's really unbelievable how many hypocrites we have in our state. I'm sure the majority of people who voted against 19 are alcohol or tobacco consumers and their all for those death drugs

    First of all, stop it with that. Seriously. Pot smokers have been using this strategy for years and you're just playing into prohibitionist hands. This is why with the proliferation of inroads to decriminalized weed, tobacco and alcohol restrictions are being ratcheted up, along with trans-fats and various other things deemed "unhealthful" by our reptillian overlords. Remember, smoking within 25 feet of an entrance is still illegal, call 911 if you see anyone doing it!

    Secondly, after watching the returns from the different districts on Prop 19, my suspicions are being confirmed. Dope smokers voted against this thing because they're still laboring under the misapprehension that they can legalize weed and cut out the biggest gangster in the neighborhood: Government.

  • ||

    cannabis is about higher consciousness.

  • Erik||

    Thank you, Californians who saw through the Trojan Horse. More regulation is not needed or welcome. Decriminalization and de prioritizing enforcement is the best thing we can hope for next to complete and utter legalization, with control of the product for the consumers, not corporate interests. Christ, the tax revenue was only going to go back into law enforcement, to enforce the new laws and not the suffering public services in California!

  • Paul||

    See? See?!! I told you. I fucking told you.

    You will never legalize marijuana. Ever. It will never happen. Everrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    Uncle G wants his cut. You don't cut Uncle G out of the action.

  • ||

    don't bet the funny farm on that bubba.

  • wayne||

    You sound like a medical marijuana grower/seller.

    I think we need to abolish the MMJ laws in California before we can ever make any real progress in the drug war. I will be writing my state representatives to get this CA MMJ problem under control.

  • ||

    The vote was certainly not a victory, but, by getting 46% of the vote, it means that pro-legalization can no longer be dismissed as a "fringe" position. (Which is how it was described barely 10 years ago.)

    The most important thing at this point is to scream "BULLSHIT!!!!" as loud as possible any time any of the MSM puts out one of their stupid pieces of pro-WoD propaganda.

  • ||

    we progressives know that prop 19 was and continues to be huuuuuuuge.

    gonnnnngggggggggg

    another good thing about the prop vote is that many decent mmj people will continue to make a nice living during strange times.

    free the herb and free your mind.

  • ||

    California just lost 100k jobs, 400 mil a year and is gonna spend 50k per pothead they throw in jail per year.... Was this really a win when we are broke?

  • ||

    loss gain gain loss loss gain

    daisy chain

  • ||

    It was a big win for the drug dealers of California! The black market was shaking in it's boots waiting to see the outcome of prop 19. Starring down the barrel of their profits dropping by up to 80% cartels abroad as well as the neighborhood drug dealer were looking at finding another line of work or a more volatile product to capitalize on. Big alcohol was another sector that was afraid of a diminishing profit margin. I'm not one to use any kind of intoxicant so I was looking at this issue purely from an economic standpoint, and I am amazed that it didn't pass. Mange people should have put the bong down for the day and made it to the poll. Personally I don't see much difference between alcohol and cannabis, as far as I am concerned anyone who uses either substance has the mental ability of a developmentally disabled person!

  • ||

    yeah sure

  • ||

    shutup you idiots. You know what, while you were in your fantasy bubble, I watched on the internet as droves of pro-legalization people saying they would vote no. The pot got them paranoid. Well hoo-hah you californian idiots, you proved to the nation why you are in debt, because you are idiots. Nobody going to take you seriously again, good luck next time, I for one won't be watching.

  • ||

    I believe that is the finest piece of gibberish I have read today.

  • ||

    and idiocy is contagious.

  • Kolohe||

    Was Prop. 19's Defeat a Victory?

    Yeah, this line of thought has the hallmarks of every Buffalo Bills (and most of the Cowboys') post game press conference so far this season.

  • Jim Mora, Sr||

    Decriminalization? You kiddin' me? Decriminalization? Don't talk about decriminalization!

  • ||

    howzabout?

    live and let live

    or

    wot-me-worry

  • ||

    Dude, way to show up and seriously respond to a million sarcastic jokes you clearly don't understand. You don't have to convince people of anything here, Reason was behind Prop 19 from the start.

  • ||

    uh huh

  • Disguted||

    Californians are disgusting people. I'm ashamed to call these people my neighbors.

  • ||

    Are we talking Nevada-California type neighbors or Redwood City-San Mateo type neighbors?

  • Paul||

    More Disneyland/Knotts Berry Farm neighbors.

  • ||

    Greets from Croatia !!
    I was waiting for this results like I live in California :( In my country web news, newspaper,TV didnt say nothing about this voting in your country, they just menitoned today that your country rejected proposition to legalise marijuana. When i tried to comment something more about that, they were just deleting my comments :) So only if this proposition has passed we could talk about some global spotlight :(
    I even didnt know till this year that you have medical marijuana :( Does this tell much about global spotlight ?
    The only way the marijuana can hit global spotlight was passing of this proposition. Must say im kinda angry at you, for god sake f..k the money, that is worst addiction in the world. Did you all forgot how much can this plant do for whole humanity, a better world for all of us.... All things that were bad in this propositon, you could have change in near future. The whole world was watching you from quite of their home if all of you will change the world :)
    This was very little step for you, but very BIG for all humanity :(

  • ||

    the movement has never been more vibrant.

    keep on tokin brother

  • UK||

    + 60 000 000

  • ||

    Support nationwide for full legalization just polled at 46% here, the highest ever. We have medical marijuana in 14 states plus the national capital. And like you said, you're not even allowed to talk about it in Croatia.

    We're doing our best bro. We'll get there soon.

  • ||

    I hope so..... Cause a lot of young ppl and old (+21 age) ends up in prison with big cash penalty and you get mark for whole life just because of smoking or having one joint. Then you get harassments of all kind from time to time from local police because instructions from above... And then you need to find a job but they all demand record of impunity which you cant get after being caught with one joint ....
    Like in some horror movie....

  • ||

    in terms of crazy

    every country has crazy

    maybe crazy wears different hats

  • Harry Statel||

    While Prop 19 didn't win, it has raised awareness of the sheer stupidity of drug laws, drug wars, and the foolishness of prohibition.

    Until the day of repeal of prohibition, let me remind those of the best way to vote your displeasure with the drug war.

    Become a juror. When given a vote as a juror in drug prosecutions, remember to nullify the drugs laws by voting "Not Guilty."

    Jury nullification is the act of conscience that invalidates idiotic laws and the prosecutors and judges who enforce them.

    So screw-up the DAs and prosecutors. Remember jury nullification.

    http://harrystatel.com/?p=1105

    Harry Statel

  • ||

    for the first time since the sixties i see a movement.

    peace

  • ||

    I agree, but all the movement is mostly on internet ...
    And the problem is that majority of population which is needed for things like this, still doesn't know to use internet to improve their knowledge how to form their own conclusion on facts... they use it for reading news what local celebrities done that day, who they kissed, mostly trash news, downloading movies, mp3s... I dont know if situation in your contry is same, but mine is centuries behind everything in every way you look ...

  • ||

    we are suffering from mind pollution in a system that makes no sense

    other than that ..... until they come for U ... enjoy

  • ||

    "until they come for U ... enjoy"

    LOL :)

  • Robert||

    They made it close, and that's what says a lot. They beat the spread by quite a bit if the line was laid down a year before. Many people thought it was too early (or late) to try this because it wouldn't even be close.

  • Lily Allen||

    why can't we all, all just be honest
    admit to ourselves that everyone's on it
    from grown politicians to young adolescents
    prescribing themselves antidepressants

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    or perhaps a way to stay alive and open to possibility

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