Jacob Sullum | August 27, 2008
Texas billionaire Harold Simmons, who helped fund the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004, this year is backing the American Issues Project (AIP), whose main effort so far is an ad attacking Barack Obama for his association with former Weatherman Bill Ayers. Obama's supporters are so mad about the ad that they want to punish him for it, and they expect the Justice Department to help.
In an August 21 letter to Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Keeney, Obama campaign attorney Bob Bauer argues that Simmons is breaking federal campaign law by failing to register AIP as a political committee and by giving it too much money (about $3 million so far). He says the ad, which asks, "Do you know enough to elect Barack Obama?," clearly qualifies as "express advocacy." He avers that the group, which says it champions "conservative values" such as "smaller government, a strong and ready national defense, lower taxes, and a government that encourages entrepreneurship and new job creation," has no known activities other than running anti-Obama ads and no purpose other than influencing elections. He sent Keeney a second letter on Monday, supplying additional details about AIP, describing the group as "patently illegal," and accusing Simmons of a "willful violation of law."
Election law expert Rick Hasen analyzes AIP's defense, which hinges on whether it qualifies for an exemption to the political committee rules that the Supreme Court carved out in a 1986 decision. Hasen is skeptical that it does, adding, "The group, and perhaps Simmons, could face fines, but by then the election would be over."
So which is the real outrage: that Simmons will get away with it, at worst paying a fine he can easily afford, or that the offense of which he is accused amounts to exercising his First Amendment rights in a manner that offends people in power?
Back when Simmons was casting aspersions on John Kerry's military career, I noted that Democrats and Republicans are equally happy to use election law as a gag to silence people who annoy them. In December I cheered SpeechNow's efforts to eliminate restrictions on express advocacy by independent groups that eschew donations from labor unions and corporations.
[Thanks to John Kluge for the tip.]
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as Bill Ayers wife sez:
"Dig It! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in
the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's
stomach! Wild!" In appreciation, her Weather Underground cell made
a threefingered "fork" gesture its official salute.
Stick a fork in the Obama campaign, he is done.
Annoy ?
How about lie outright and imply Obama is a terrorist ?
I understand your concerns about the 1st amendment but to assume
everything a politician does is about "power" is a little
simplistic.
Could it be that Obama does not want to be falsely called a
terrorist ?
Gee. I can't figure out why. What a sissy.
First they came for the Right Wing Texas billionaires and I'm speaking up even though I'm not from Texas or a billionaire.....
Benjamin,
Perhaps, in the future, they'll call attacks like this "Weather
Undergrounding...
I can only hope....
I've always wondered, why don't more pols sue on defamation
grounds folks who make claims that could be demonstrably shown to
be false and made with a reckless disregard of such to a majority
of a jury?
For that matter, what's the libertarian take on defamation law?
Good thing, or blatant socialism/authoritarianism?
Harold Simmons is not "backing" a group called the American
Issues Project.
Harold Simmons created the name "American Issues Project" for the
purpose of running these ads. There is no such group; this is
Simmons spending his money. I don't know he made up a group; nor do
I know why Sullum wrote up the story so misleadingly.
Probably for the same reason he threw in the meaningless phrase "in
a way that offends people in power" - because vagueness is your
friend when you're trying to create a false impression.
blah blah blah, shouldn't we think of the billionaires?
What about the billionaires?
Could it be that Obama does not want to be falsely called a
terrorist ?
They're not saying that the ad is illegal because it makes false
claims, they're saying that the ad is illegal because it makes
claims that cast Obama in a negative light.
Has Bill Ayers ever been demonstrably linked to the Capitol
bombing? I thought the deal was that his groupd certainly did it,
that he later wrote he took part in his book but then also said
that the book was fictional in parts?
Anyways, the tie to Obama demonstrated in the ad, that
1. Obama launched his career in the same city as Ayers lived
and
2. Obama and Ayers served on a (left wing no less!) board
strikes me as pretty bad logic to base the conclusion "friends"
on...
SIV hasn't been this excited since Obama was going to be driven out the race in March.
I
posted on this topic yesterday.
To those who invoke defamation law, this ad does not qualify, plain
and simple. It does not make any demonstrably false statements.
Nowhere does the ad call Obama a terrorist but merely notes his
association to radicals.
I agree that the ad is nasty and misleading. However, free speech
means we should put up with it. As someone who is supporting Obama
as the lesser evil, I am highly diappointed at the strategy they
have taken in response to this ad.
Perhaps its personal with McCain and Ayers. Did any of Ayers' bombs damage, say, a house owned by John McCain? Given even McCain himself does not know which houses are his and which are not he may be operating on the premise that this is very possible and therefore takes it personally...
Why shouldn't Harold Simmons exercise his First Amendment rights? He shouldn't be silenced by Barack Obama using a law authored by our next President John McCain.
As someone who is supporting Obama as the lesser
evil
What a cop out.
Stand up and be proud of your support if that's what you want to
do. joe's a complete fuckwit, but you have to give him points for
being a dedicated fuckwit despite all manner of reason and logic to
the contrary being shoved in his face. However, this kind of
lukewarm qualification is ridiculous, either embrace the man or do
something different, but don't try this half assed BS of "as the
lesser evil."
Say you want to vote for Obama because you believe that socialism
is a good thing and you really don't need that cash from your
paycheck. Say you want to vote for McCain because you believe that
authoritarian values are good, and you like a little more leftovers
from your paycheck than the Obama guy. Say you want to vote for
McKinney because she'd be an absolute hoot if she happened to bump
into Putin in some state dinner someplace. Say you want to vote for
Barr because of your personal values. It doesn't matter, but don't
be such a wimp as to try to qualify your vote for someone you
believe to be a disaster by calling it the "lesser evil."
Personally I believe Obama is much more capable of evil than
McCain, simply because he has yet to define anything, and people
view him as the second coming as they project their own feelings
into that void. That's dangerous, it gives him license to do
anything and the media is scrambling all over to accord him any
means necessary to qualify his positions. If you want the lesser
evil than McCain is by far the better choice as he'll be hampered
by a congress of Dems with their soiled panties in a bunch for
losing again, and therefore we'd be pretty much gaurenteed four
years of gridlock to let society sort it out for real. Obama being
elected will result in a bunch of joelike fuckwits overcome with
joy passing all kinds of stupid shit which we'll spend the next
forty or fifty years having to recover from. Again,
McCain=Gridlock, Obama=Costly, unworkable, ill defined stupid shit,
combined with kool aid drinking masses. Which has the higher
potential for evil?
In either case, go vote for someone and be proud of it, don't try
to position yourself to deny your vote later when Obama turns out
to be what anyone with a brain can see coming.
As for Simmons, let the man say what he wants. There are enough
outlets for someone to call Bullshit on him without having to
resort to running to mommy saying he hurt your feelings. He's
preaching to people who are already on his side anyway, so unlike
the somewhat substantive questions raised about Kerry, right or
wrong, this is just an inference smear. It's actually much less of
an affront than what Obama did to Ferraro in terms of "truth in
statements" when she made the rather tame comment that he wouldn't
be getting the attention he was if he wasn't black.
I'm just frustrated that the Democrats don't seem to have any libelous billionaires on their side. Why do the Republicans have all the fun?
Other Matt -- You are entitled to your opinion about Obama being
more dangerous, I am am entitled to mine. Reasonable people can
differ on the issue of which candidate is more libertarian.
However, you cross the line when you tell me how strongly I should
feel about my support. In future, please keep such opinions to
yourself. It reveals you as an immature troll.
I'm just frustrated that the Democrats don't seem to have
any libelous billionaires on their side. Why do the Republicans
have all the fun?
What am I? Chopped liver?
You know, Barack Obama knows a guy who used to know people who
killed a guy.
How many people do you think have died because of John
McCain?
How do you go divvying up the body count from Iraq among the people
who fought so strenuously to make it happen?
What's the libertarian take on free speech? Allow it! Oh, and also allow slander, libel and defamation lawsuits in retaliation. Of course, it isn't Obama suing over this ad, it's a bunch of his speech-hating supporters. In a libertarian world they wouldn't have grounds to sue.
What should we do? I know, go to court. This is clearly a
violation...oh, we already did that.
Repeat; Only one solution, THE LIBERTARIAN MILITIA.
We have to fertialize the tree of liberty.
joe, as a proper liberal you'd think you'd want to straighten your candidate out about threatening free expression.
Brandybuck
I asked what is the libertarian position on defamation as a course
of action. I guess your second sentence answers that from your
point of view.
You know of course that defamation suits certainly keep many people
from speaking what they may want to speak, abridging their liberty
in that respect. That's why I asked what libertarians think about
it.
I can see both sides of the defamation issue (that on the one hand
it could restrict speech but on the other hand a person's
"reputation" might be seen as one's property that a person cannot
willfully damage without paying).
On this specific issue it's clear that the Obama people are just
insisting on the other side playing by the rules as they are
currently set up. Though you may be right that the rles stink it's
hardly controversial to insist your opponent play by them...
MNG, here is the text of the ad:
Narrator: "Beyond the speeches, how much do you know about
Barack Obama?
What does he really believe?
Consider this: United 93 never hit the Capitol on 9/11.
But the Capitol was bombed thirty years before -
By an American terrorist group called Weather Underground that
declared 'war' on the U.S. -
Targeting the Capitol, the Pentagon, police stations and
more.
One of the group's leaders, William Ayers, admits to the bombings,
proudly saying later:
'We didn't do enough.'
Some members of the group Ayers founded even went on to kill
police.
But Barack Obama is friends with Ayers, defending him as, quote,
'Respectable' and 'Mainstream.'
Obama's political career was launched in Ayers' home. And the two
served together on a left-wing board.
Why would Barack Obama be friends with someone who bombed the
Capitol...and is proud of it?
Do you know enough to elect Barack Obama?
American Issues Project is responsible for the content of this
ad."
Do you see anything defamatory in there?
Remember that defamation = In law, defamation (also called
calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of
a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied
to be factual
I only see facts and questions here; nothing false.
So you tell me.
I'm in Other Matt's camp in regards to people that claim they're voting for the "lesser of two evils". Either grow some balls (or ovaries) and be honest about your support for a candidate or don't vote at all. Nobody is driving you to the ballots at gunpoint.
Anyone think that it is more than a little odd that political
speech is more heavily regulated than pornography
though the purpose of the First Amendment is to preserve political
freedom and prevent the regulation of speech from occurring in the
first place?
You know, Barack Obama knows a guy who used to know people
who killed a guy.
How many people do you think have died because of John
McCain?
You know, joe, this is the proper response to an ad that
talks about Obama's extremely tenuous link to Ayers.
Not that other "Wah wah wah astroturf! Wah wahh wahh Jacob's
perfectly clear turn of phrase has no meaning to me when I stick my
fingers in my ears! Wah Wahh Wahh!" whining bullshit you did in
your other post.
The bottom line is that Obama's campaign did not contest the ad on
its truth grounds nor did they call it libel. The substance of
their complaint is "This guy shouldn't be allowed to run a
political ad because he didn't fill out the right forms!" The Obama
campaign can go fuck itself then, and I hope this guy runs the ad
over and over and leaves the Obama attorney voicemails taunting and
laughing.
BTW if it's really just a one-man astroturf organization, the Obama
campaign's point is moot. He could just have paid for the ads as an
individual and nobody could say fucking shit about it and the FEC
would have no say. So the Obama campaign's complaint is made even
more trivial if this is a one-man shop, and not less.
BTW, the one thing false in the ad is when they call the
Weathermen a terrorist organization.
A group that attacks government installations is insurrectionist,
not terrorist. To be a terrorist you have to attack non-state
private property and persons.
It's funny that the party that defends gun ownership in part on the
grounds that the public needs to be armed for potential resistance
to the state doesn't realize that if that's true, you have to
expect that once in a while members of that armed public will, in
fact, resist the state.
Oh, Mr Nice guy, that's for putting that awful Alice Cooper song in my head every time I see your name.
"How many people do you think have died because of John
McCain?
How do you go divvying up the body count from Iraq among the people
who fought so strenuously to make it happen?"
You mean like Joe Biden? Or maybe it is because McCain voted for
the Patriot Act. Oh Joe Biden did that to and the FISA reform and
supported the Surge and wanted to have US troops divide the
country. If any one in the Democratic Party actually beleived
anything they say, they would never have put someone who was pro
war on the ticket. That 'blood on their hands" is all just bullshit
and you know it.
Fluffy you are right, that is the proper if bullshit response. The
response shouldn't be "we will prosecute you after we win". Is
there any doubt that an Obama DOJ will be going after any group
they don't like after the election?
NMMNG-The people who support the regulation of campaign speech
think they ARE preserving political freedom by preventing rich guys
from dumping millions and millions into political advertising. The
syllogism looks like this:
1. Advertising=power
2. Rich guys can dominate advertising
3. Therefore rich guys can dominate advertising
TAO-My question was generated by the many pols who take umbrage at
an ad or comment by their opponent that they then claim was
"willfully false" not so much by this ad. Though if I were Obama's
lawyer I'd say that the implication of the ad that Obama is close
friends with a terrorist would be the source of my case (not saying
I'd win, btw-defamation does not just involve blatant statements of
fact, but implications that can be pled to create, given known
circumstances, a defamatory effect).
fluffy-You don't respect the FEC laws so of course to you its just
someone whining over the "forms" that were filled out. But how a
group registers with those forms controls how they can act under
the rules and the Obama complaint is that this group registered one
way and acted another. Again, of course in a contest with given
rules one side is going to insist that the other side is held to
the rules. That's hardly remarkable...
2. Rich guys can dominate advertising
3. Therefore rich guys can dominate advertising
Well its hard to argue with that part of the
syllogism.
so, the answer to a problem that you identify here, of rich guys
being able to dominate the air waves, is to make sure that there
are plenty of patronage jobs in the Federal beuracracy that oversee
the regulation of speech that the two parties can dole out on the
tax payer's dime? Given, this has been the approach to the problem
you identify since at least the '74 reformist agenda congress got
busy on this matter, how much
money from rich guys been prevented from actually going on the air
waves?
mangled in edit:
how much
money from rich guys been prevented from actually going on the air
waves?
how much money from rich guys has been prevented from actually
being used to fund their messages on the air waves?
I find SIV's little quote more hilarious than scary. Seriously, who talks like that anymore?
BDB: The scary part is imagining "education reform" by people who thought like that back then, and even now don't seem to really understand how wrong they were.
joe, I know you're trying hard to stick with Obama's energy
policy by keeping your tires well-inflated, but putting your lips
on the valve and blowing is just making you dizzy. Use the pump at
the gas station.
Any law that limits freedom of expression beyond sanctioning
slander, libel & treason are evil. Granted that McCain wrote
one of those laws, I find the Obama campaign's willingness to bring
the government in on this just as odious. Not exactly "new"
politics we're seeing here.
This whole thread reminds me of the Rock 'Em Sock 'Em
Robots.
Nothing like a debate over which group of sleazy bastards is the
more ethical. Campaign finance laws are largely unconstitutional
(regardless of what the Supreme Court says) and mostly a very bad
idea.
Comic Book Guy failed to point out the failure in the english language too. "lesser" implies exactly two choices. AFAIK, there will be no state with only two candidates on the ballot. "least" was the proper word. Im also pretty sure Obama wont be the "least evil" candidate on my ballot. Cynthia McKinney might be, due to incompetence.
This is hardball.
People who made or run these ads and have business with the
government had better make sure they are squeeky clean because
payback is a bitch.
So which is the real outrage: that Simmons will get away
with it, at worst paying a fine he can easily afford,
No.
or that the offense of which he is accused amounts to
exercising his First Amendment rights in a manner that offends
people in power?
Fucking A right. IMRO, the entire NcCain-Feingold Campaign
Reform Free Speech Nullification Act is an
unconstitutional affront to every American's right to express their
opinion on the issues of the day.* SCOTUS screwed the pooch on this
one.
* Elections obviously fall into that issues of the day
category.
In a libertarian world they wouldn't have grounds to sue.
In a libertarian world there's no such thing as libel? What?
Anyone think that it is more than a little odd that
political speech is more heavily regulated than
pornography
Yes, and I think the response should be obvious:
Someone needs to start producing hardcore pornographic political
advertisements.
On one hand, I think the Campaign Finance laws are fundamentally
wrong and unconstitutional.
On the other, I'm irritated that they are being violated on behalf
of the douchebag who wrote them.
This focus on Ayers just makes me more convinced that the Baby-Boomers are, on the whole, the most disgustingly self-centered generation in history.
My thoughts:
1. If the Ayers/Obama relationship does indeed prove damaging to
Obama, it will be because Ayers has never expressed any regrets,
apologies or remorse for the actions the Weathermen engaged in all
those years ago. If Ayers had done so before he and Obama served on
the Annenberg education reform project, there'd be little chance of
any political damage.
2. Do opposition research on yourself. Didn't anyone at Team Obama
consider that Obama's association with Ayers might be political
dynamite? If so, did they really think squelching the relationship
is the best response?
If you act like you have something to hide, people will think you
do, indeed, have something to hide.
3. The Obama/Ayers relationship is the result of the Democrats not
only embracing the anti-war people from the 60's and 70's, but also
embracing the Marxist radicals from that era who were at the
forefront of the anti-war movement. Most folks from Main St. USA
would want nothing to do with Ayers and his ilk. However, to most
of the upper echelon of the Democratic Party, Ayers actions were
unremarkable and he and those like him were just mis-guided. Make
of that what you will, but in my opinion, this is one reason why
Democrats have had little success in winning the White House over
the last 40 years.
4. Academia has no problem in embracing violent left-wing radicals.
Does anyone here believe that a right-winger with political
violence in his past that was never renounced would be hired as a
professor anywhere? No, me neither. Make of that what you
will.
Carry on.....
This whole Ayers thing pisses off Obama supporters so much that there must be something to it.
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