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Ninth Circuit Suspends Injunction Blocking California Policy Limiting Teachers' Disclosure to Parents of Student's Changed Gender Identity
A short excerpt from the Ninth Circuit's order yesterday in Mirabelli v. Bonta (Chief Judge Mary Murguia, joined by Judges Andrew Hurwitz and Salvador Mendoza):
Plaintiff-Appellees are four parents and four Escondido Union School District ("EUSD") teachers who challenge a host of California state laws that Plaintiffs refer to as "the State's Parental Exclusion Policies." According to Plaintiffs, these challenged laws are described in the California Department of Education's 2016 "Legal Advisory regarding application of California's antidiscrimination statutes to transgender youth in schools" and its accompanying FAQs. The challenged policies allegedly violate teachers' and parents' constitutional rights by requiring teachers to hide a student's gender nonconformity and social transition, including from the student's parents, unless the student consents to disclosure of that information….
The district court certified the class of all California public school employees and parents of children attending public school who object to the challenged state laws under Rule 23(b)(2). On December 22, 2025, the district court granted permanent injunctive relief to all its members. The district court found that various California laws violate parents' substantive due process and free exercise rights to be informed "after a student says or dresses in a way that suggests a non-conforming gender identity." The district court also concluded that public school employees have free speech and free exercise rights to provide information about a student's gender expression to the student's parents.
Based on these conclusions, the court entered an injunction that bars State Appellants from "implementing or enforcing" "the Privacy Provision of the California Constitution … [and] any other provision of California law" that would "permit or require any employee in the California state-wide education system [to] mislead[] [a] parent or guardian … about their child's gender presentation at school." The injunction prohibits State Appellants from "permit[ting] or requir[ing] any employee in the California state-wide education system to use a name or pronoun to refer to [a] child that [does] not match the child's legal name and natal pronouns, where a child's parent or legal guardian has communicated their objection to such use." The injunction directs the State to include a notice in educator training materials that: "Parents and guardians have a federal constitutional right to be informed if their public school student child expresses gender incongruence." …
After considering the record at this preliminary stage, we conclude that the State Appellants have shown that "there is a substantial case for [a stay] on the merits." …
First, we have serious concerns with the district court's class certification and injunction that covers every parent of California's millions of public school students and every public school employee in the state. Courts across the country, including in our circuit, have routinely rejected similar claims by parents and teachers due to lack of standing. Further, the district court failed to undertake the "rigorous analysis" required by Rule 23 before granting relief on a class-wide basis….
Second, the district court's ruling reiterated that the State is "prohibiting public school teachers from informing parents of their child's gender identity" through its "parental exclusion" policies, yet the district court failed to clearly identify the set of policies it relied on to reach this conclusion. A preliminary review of the record shows that the State does not categorically forbid disclosure of information about students' gender identities to parents without student consent. For example, guidance from the California Attorney General expressly states that schools can "allow disclosure where a student does not consent where there is a compelling need to do so to protect the student's wellbeing," and California Education Code § 49602 allows disclosure to avert a clear danger to the well-being of a child, Cal. Educ. Code § 49602. It is thus not clear from the district court's order which particular policies are problematic, and it is doubtful that all of those policies categorically forbid disclosure of information, again "suggesting that the injunctive relief ordered may have been broader than necessary," and not "tailored to remedy the specific harm alleged." {The district court's injunction appears largely premised on the informal 2016 Legal Advisory and FAQ page posted on the California Department of Education's website, which has been removed.} …
[W]e are skeptical of the district court's decision on the merits, which primarily relies on substantive due process. The district court concluded that parents have the right to be informed when gender incongruence is observed and make the decision about whether future professional investigation or medical care is needed. But the Supreme Court has cautioned that we must be "reluctant to expand the concept of substantive due process," Washington v. Glucksberg (1997), to avoid usurping "authority that the Constitution entrusts to the people's elected representatives," Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Org. (2022).
Our sister circuit recently analyzed a similar claim in Foote v. Ludlow Sch. Comm. (1st Cir. 2025), and concluded that "using the [s]tudent's chosen name and pronouns—something people routinely do with one another, and which requires no special training, skill, medication, or technology" is not a form of medical treatment that gives rise to a substantive due process claim. The district court distinguished this case from Foote, reasoning that Foote did not involve allegations of school officials misrepresenting the student's gender transition when asked by parents. But the challenged policies here appear to be analogous to the policy at issue in Foote, which "provides that 'parents are not to be informed of their child's transgender status and gender-affirming social transition to a discordant gender identity unless the child, of any age, consents.'" We thus conclude that the State Appellants have made a strong showing that the district court likely erred in its substantive due process analysis….
Because the State has sufficiently shown a substantial case for relief on the merits based on the sweeping nature of the district court's injunction, the dubious class certification, and the weakness of Plaintiffs' substantive due process claim, we may grant the stay on those grounds alone and need not reach the remaining First Amendment claims. Nonetheless, we address those briefly.
First, the district court's analysis of the parents' free exercise claims relied on Mahmoud v. Taylor (2025), to conclude that the challenged policies triggered strict scrutiny and failed under that test. In Mahmoud, the Supreme Court applied strict scrutiny where a school district subjected "young children" to "unmistakably normative" books that "explicitly contradict[ed] their parents' religious views" and encouraged teachers "to reprimand any children who disagree[d]" or "express[ed] a degree of religious confusion." However, Mahmoud has been described as a narrow decision focused on uniquely coercive "curricular requirements." As the Sixth Circuit explained, "[b]ecause Mahmoud's reasoning principally relates to curricular requirements, we are thus unpersuaded that it stands for the broad proposition that strict scrutiny is automatically triggered when a school does not allow religious students to opt out of any school policy that interferes with their religious development, including general operational policies that involve no instruction." Here, the challenged policies appear to apply only when a student makes the voluntary decision to share their gender nonconformity with the school. We thus disagree with the district court's cursory assertion that the challenged policies "impose a similar, if not greater, burden on free exercise" as the policies in Mahmoud. Accordingly, the district court improperly extended the reasoning of Mahmoud to the instant case.
Second, the district court's ruling on the subclass of public school teachers' free exercise claim is predicated on the challenged policies "requir[ing] teachers to withhold" information about a student's gender nonconformity "with the knowledge that the information will be impossible for the parents to obtain from the school." However, as explained above, the district court's premise—that these policies categorically forbid disclosure of information—is contradicted by the record.
Finally, as Plaintiffs concede, the teachers' free speech claim "rises and falls on parents' rights." Because State Appellants are likely to defeat the parents' constitutional claims, we need not address the merits of the free speech claims here….
For an excerpt of the District Court's opinion, which led to the injunction that the Ninth Circuit has stayed, see this post.
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Holy triple negative, Batman!
Quadruple, really.
I had to ask an AI bot to figure it out for me:
The headline states that the Ninth Circuit "suspends" the injunction. This means a panel of judges from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has temporarily lifted the lower court's order that was blocking the California policy.
In essence, the Ninth Circuit's decision allows California's policy limiting teacher disclosure of a student's gender identity to remain in effect while the legal battle continues. The court's action does not represent a final ruling on the constitutionality of the policy itself. Rather, it is a procedural step that allows the state to enforce its policy for the time being. The case will likely continue to be litigated, and could potentially reach the U.S. Supreme Court for a final determination.
It’s notable that the exceptions here are extremely narrow. Parents can be a nformed only if the state of California thinks it essential to the child’s welfare. But in the absence of a finding of unfitness, the child’s welfare is what the parents say it is. It is simply not a decision California has any power to make.
There is a bit of a problem with the state concealing information, and then claiming only people who have that information have standing to ask for it.
The parents might have been better off with a slightly different framing of what they are asking for. They should ask for a right to know their child’s status, i.e. whether or not their child has the condition involved. Since every child has a status, every parent has in interest in asking for it. This might work to get around the standing problem.
Why not?
Because families predate governments?
California obviously has the power to make determinations about what's essential for children's welfare. It does so in any number of contexts. You guys are just McNuts when it comes to trans hatred.
As nuts as you guys are with parental hatred.
As nuts as they are with parental hatred - its even worse that the endorse the mutilation of children suffering from a mental illness.
I know you are but what am I? Infinity.
If the state wants a child to receive a medical procedure against the parents’ wishes, the state has to go to court and get a court order to force the procedure, and has to pay for the parents’ attorneys if they can’t afford them to fight it. It can’t simply give the child the procedure without telling the parents. The parents are entitled to a considerable amount of due process of law before being deprived of their liberty interest in determining their child’s welfare.
This was true even for abortion at the height of Roe. A child could get an abortion against the parents’ wishes, but had to go before a judge, and the parents had to be notified.
Why is this different?
There are no procedures involved, number one.
Yes it is a procedure - its part of WPATH standard of care - That is one of their mental health protocols.
That doesn't make it a procedure. "Good rest" is part of a standard of care, that doesn't mean Kindergarten can't have nap time because it's a medical procedure. Do you hear yourself?
yes it does - you can sugar coat it all you want, give it a different name, state what is isnt what it is.
It is still a procedure that follows the WPATH protocol .
denying the reality of what is actually happening doesnt fool anyone.
You are intentionally conflated two distinctly different items to deny that fact that the school is implementing and practicing a specific mental health protocol advocated by WPATH.
This is the dumbest argument ever. NIH advocates eating vegetables and getting exercise. That doesn't make eating vegetables and getting exercise into medical procedures.
But please, contine making this asinine case. I love it when the maggots let their brainial capacities shine through.
Yes Randal - your argument is one of the dumbest and most pathetic arguments.
You refuse to acknowledge the protocol being implemented by the school is the one of the specific protocols in the WPATH standard of care for the transitioning of children.
Then you conflate completely unrelated topics to justifying an asinine denial of the protocol.
Pathetic maggot living your brain is correct.
I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything. I'm just pointing out that it's retarded to say that calling someone a particular nickname is a "medical procedure," even if it is an official health recommendation.
So go on, say it again. Tell the world that MAGA considers nicknames and fashion choices to be medical procedures that can be regulated as such.
Randal 14 hours ago
"I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything. I'm just pointing out that it's retarded to say that calling someone a particular nickname is a "medical procedure," even if it is an official health recommendation."
Yes you are refusing to acknowledge what is happening and you are misrepresenting/distorting what actions are being implemented to justify the implementation of the mental health protocol advocated by WPATH.
Dishonesty is the hallmark of your denial.
So that means you support Florida's "don't say gay" law for schools?
Yet another maggot who can't distinguish between "has the power to" and "should."
Under the 14th amendment and its due process clause, the SCOTUS has recognized that parental rights are a fundamental liberty interest, including the right to to raise, care for, and make decisions about their children's upbringing, education, and custody without undue government interference
See Meyer v. Nebraska or Pierce_v._Society_of_Sisters.
Part of being able to have that fundamental liberty interest is knowledge about gender transitions and social nonconformity.
The state "might" have a general welfare case to make if it openly defended a child's right to transition, in violation of their parent's wishes. But just hiding it? I can't see that standing in court.
To use an analogy, the state may have a case if it mandated vaccinations. But just vaccinating the children and not telling the parents at all, and actively hiding the information? Again, that's far too much.
If that's true, than the bans on gender-affirming care for minors when the parents want it are unconstitutional.
That fundamental liberty interest is balanced against the general welfare. So, while the parents have a fundamental liberty interest, there are some general welfare interests of the state that supersede it.
For example, parents can't murder their children. They can't use them for sexual slavery. The general welfare of the children supersedes that fundamental liberty interest. Likewise, in many states, it's viewed that for "gender-affirming" treatments which may result in sterilization, the general welfare of reproductive integrity outweighs the parental liberty interest.
But as I mentioned. The state might have a case saying that the general welfare of gender affirming care outweighs the parental interests. The real problem is in the SECRECY. When the state actively hides things from the parents...that's a big big problem.
Does strict scrutiny apply to all of these fundamental liberty interests?
Depends on the case. But again...the secrecy and deception are the real issue here.
Let's use your gender affirming ban case as an example. It's one thing for the state to ban treatments that affect a child's reproductive capability. But...it's in the open. The parents may have choices if they feel strongly. The doctor in TN can recommend a clinic in KY or Canada, even if they're not allow to do a procedure in TN.
Instead, imagine that TN passes a law that bans doctors from even mentioning other gender affirming care options anywhere.
Or perhaps a law which requires the doctors to lie to the parents and prescribe a placebo which the doctors say will help with their gender conversion. This just helps the child, and prevents the parents from going elsewhere to make a poor choice. Right?
You see the issue there.
The secrecy and deception are fundamental, though, because they know they're enforcing policies that are extremely unpopular among parents. The policies can only be sustained as long as they're not open.
Brett Bellmore 1 hour ago
The secrecy and deception are fundamental, though, because they know they're enforcing policies that are extremely unpopular among parents.
Along with very negative long term medical outcomes for the children .
It takes a truly sick mind to defend this policy.
Are you arguing that only secrecy triggers strict scrutiny?
Strict scrutiny doesn’t really apply to either, it’s more intermediate scrutiny. But the state’s interest in not doing something so radical as effectively sterilizing a minor before the minor is able to make an informed judgment is pretty clear and doesn’t have to pass a high level of scrutiny.
It works the other way as well. In some liberal states to this day, a judge has to approve a minor getting an abortion, but the hearings are so perfunctory as to practically be a rubber stamp. So the scrutiny applied is hardly strict.
In general, the level of scrutiny required for mandating a procedure - or doing it to a minor against the parents’ will - is higher than the level required for banning it. Requiring a procedure is a forcible bodily intrusion. Banning a procedure does not implicate the same level of liberty interest.
I'm not sure I followed your answer to my hypo (*) (the state bans gender-affirming care for minors even when the parents want it). I think you said intermediate scrutiny applies, as it does in this case when the state refuses to disclose a child's gender identity to the parents.
(*) This is of course more than a hypo since such laws were upheld in Skrmetti under rational-basis review although the issue of parental rights was not addressed.
Fair enough. But at any rate the two are not equivalent. At common law, a doctor performing a medical procedure without a parent’s consent was considered a battery, making the consent requirement rooted in this country’s history and tradition (the Dobbs standard).
But there is no comparable history of individuals, or parents, being able to get whatever medical attention they want against the state’s will. Prohibitions on treatments considered harmful to public welfare, or for that matter morals, have been part of our legal history since befote the founding.
The Court’s emphasis on historical analysis highlights the difference. You may disagree with this analytical approach. But if does consistently explain some of the Court’s recent decisions.
I'm still not following what your conclusion is. Is it that strict scrutiny applies when the government requires a procedure against the parent's wishes but intermediate scrutiny applies when the government forbids a procedure the parents want for their kids (noting that the procedure is legal for adults)? Or does rational-basis review apply in the latter case? And how does your conclusion impact the case in the OP?
Let’s have adults discuss sex and gender with young and confused children and then hide those discussions and resulting behavior from the parents.
What could possibly go wrong?
The hiding stuff is not generally a good idea. But schools have been openly doing sex ed for years and years; this is not unusual. And it's more about sexual health and safety, which I think most people would agree is a valuable thing to discuss. Right?
But schools have been openly doing sex ed for years and years; this is not unusual.
Usual and good are not coextensive.
And it's more about sexual health and safety, which I think most people would agree is a valuable thing to discuss. Right?
Not in school. That's the parents' job.
There is a large range of opinion as to what children should be told about (human) sex and sexual behavior, and when. There is no correct answer, since there are value questions embedded in the subject. This is not math, or geography.
Leaving aside the constitutional questions, much the same could be said about religion. Unless the school is, eg, advertising itself as a Catholic school which intends to teach Catholic doctrine, it has no business teaching religious doctrines. Likewise with sex doctrines.
There is no problem in teaching the biology of sex - there are no value questions if you stick to hamster reproduction.
You should home-school if you believe this.
To be fair, the US has one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy compared to countries of similar development. So it's your sex ed is probably lacking in some regard, whether it's coming from parents or schools.
My comment was more going from my own experience of it in school, which was boringly lacking in indoctrination. They didn't even try to convert me into gayness!
"So it's your sex ed is probably lacking in some regard"
I think there are cultural norms in play as well. One year my wife taught a special remedial program for kids that just didn't look like they were going to graduate. It was quite a contrast from teaching AP Bio. It was a small class, maybe 10 kids. On the first day she asked the kids what their plans were for the next few years. One of the answers was - quote - "I suppose have a baby and go on welfare like my Mom". That's not a lack of understanding the biology, it's a lack of aspiration. Hopefully my wife supplied some of that over the year.
good point on the cultural norms - As noted, the US has a high teenage pregnancy rate. Its important to understand the factors that account for the difference, including the subsets of the population that have the disparities.
If you’re not going to graduate, why would getting right on with having babies be a bad thing ?
Girls should aspire to the Walmart check out counter instead ?
Getting married first would be a good plan, sure, but since we’ve decided to hand out welfare girls have another option. If you don’t like them taking that option then rather than suppress their natural instincts maybe you should think about welfare schemes set up by those, er, smart folk who did graduate.
"If you’re not going to graduate, why would getting right on with having babies be a bad thing ?"
I'm kind of a traditionalist, believing that one should not have babies one cannot support.
But with welfare, a 16 year old girl can support her baby.
Traditionally a pregnant 16 year old would be .... married. Either already, or during the pregnancy. Social pressure would be applied to the father. And if he had absconded, the girl's parents would support the baby.
And widening the scope a little - all creatures reproduce whenever they can. That is what is 'traditional" in nature. Sometimes their reproductive efforts fail - there being no government welfare system in nature. But trying and failing is - biologically - better than not trying at all.
So you're a very particular sort of traditionalist. You're not biologically traditional - there's nothing traditional about suppressing reproduction. Nor are you even traditionalist as regards human society - humans have been reproducing as soon as they can, for as long as they've been around, and they get what resources they can as best they can.
It's true that there have been some social changes - gals used to be encouraged to postpone sexual activity until they could support a baby - which meant acquiring a husband - but we, in the past few decades, in our infinite wisdom, have flipped the script, and encouraged gals to have sex without worrying about getting married, because contraception, abortion and as a last resort. welfare, will dispense with the need for a husband. That's the "traditional" post 1950s view.
It sounds to me like you're this kind of "post 1950s traditionalist." Which none of your ancestors before 1960, man or beast, would have recognized as "traditional."
"But with welfare, a 16 year old girl can support her baby."
No, she can't. You and I will be.
Traditionally it is very rare for a mother to be able to support her own baby. She almost always needs the support of her husband / mate, and/or her parents / other relatives; or "the village" as Hillary would put it. Welfare is just the latest incarnation of the village.
Human babies are very expensive and typically a mother cannot feed herself and her child, without help from someone else. Which is why we have evolved into a (mostly) pair bonding species, unlike other great apes (who have cheaper babies, and so can support a more harem-y social structure. We humans can only support a harem-y type structure for a small class of alpha males with access to sufficient resources to provide for multiple mates. See Musk E, Khan G etc.)
So when you said "one should not have babies one cannot support" if you really meant that a woman should eschew babymaking until she, on her own, can support a baby, you are essentially arguing for extinction. Good luck with that.
I'm honestly not sure if you are being facetious, but in case you aren't: my parents very much wanted a big family. But they did the math, and only felt they could support two, so they only had two.
So when you ask^h^h^hcompel them to support someone else's kids, you are telling them to support someone else's kids at the expense of having their own. If you think that's a good thing, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I think we are at one. The government should not force you to support other people’s kids. Or other people’s anything. You should feel free to support such “good causes” as you choose. Or not as the case may be.
Having set your budget, you should then make your own decisions about proceeding with family construction.
And as people understood before the government decided to pay for children at taxpayer’s expense if you choose to have lotsa children, beyond your means, then in years of bad harvest you may lose a few.
I merely remark that the traditional approach for humans and other animals is to embark on the baby making process without falling into the error of excessive risk aversion.
Reproducing is a risky business at best, and if you are excessively risk averse you’re likely to miss the boat. And you only get the one boat.
Consequently I would advise young ladies particularly, as their clock runs much faster than guys’ clocks, to get started in their teens. Or at the very latest early twenties. Leaving it later is inviting disaster.
Start early - particularly as the government has announced its willingness to subsidise the process. I would also advise acquiring a husband in your teens if at all possible. By no means defer starting adult life until it’s half cooked.
Teen pregnancy is entirely natural and normal. Pretty much all 16 year old girls are physically ready to have babies at 16, and by 18 their great grandmas could easily have been on to number two.
Y’all are simply espousing the modish opinion that gals should wait until they’re 28 or so before they start reproducing. Whereas 28 is in fact well past your peak baby making years. Now THAT’S biology.
Go forth and multiply young ladies (and young men) - though it would be wise to get married first. But no reason not to start in your teens.
"There is a large range of opinion as to what children should be told about (human) sex and sexual behavior, and when. There is no correct answer, since there are value questions embedded in the subject. This is not math, or geography."
It is, however, biology. My better half was a HS bio teacher, typically of 10th graders, so 16ish year olds. Many of them were well informed about sex, either by the parents, peers, or the internet. But many were missing some of the fundamental biological details. As in, yes, you can get pregnant even if the moon is full when you make whoopee. There are kids with that level of ignorance.
None of this is indoctrinating kids into gayness - it is basic biology. One of the defining attributes of mammals is internal fertilization, and humans are mammals as much as cows or elephants.
Heh. One of the things my wife showed was a rather clinical documentary on childbirth. I don't think there is a single better way to encourage teen chastity :-).
If, despite it all, some parent doesn't want their kids to understand the basic facts, fine, let them opt out. I'm all for parent's rights - let them opt out of algebra for all I care. But algebra and biology, including human biology, including the biology of reproduction, are pretty basic knowledge that belongs in the default curriculum,
As your earlier comment makes clear, these gals know perfectly well what activities make babies.
What you are talking about is your political preference for discouraging them from making babies at 16. Which is fine if their parents agree with you and not so fine if they don’t. It’s really none of your business to replace the parents opinions with your own.
There is a big difference between sex ed and actively participating, implementing what amounts to mental health treatment for children suffering from a mental health disorder.
The Volokhian philosophy has the general effect of fouling the public square, causing anyone who can to withdraw from it, and, in this case, send their children to Christian or other private schools. So the Volokhs of the world are left with the sleaze and disorder, because they have driven the rest of us away.
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Are you responding to this thread? To some different thread? Or just making a general observation about the VC writ large?
You sound like you'd be fun at parties.
You all said you wanted a meritocracy. You got it, and now you hate it. But you still say you want it. This is the fundamental contradiction of modern conservatism.
"The injunction prohibits State Appellants from "permit[ting] or requir[ing] any employee in the California state-wide education system to use a name or pronoun to refer to [a] child that [does] not match the child's legal name and natal pronouns, where a child's parent or legal guardian has communicated their objection to such use."?
I genuinely do see the parents' position here. And I largely agree with it (certainly, affirmatively hiding important information from the parents of pupils raises serious concerns with me). But if I'm a teacher, and you--the parent--tell me, "Please don't call my son Bob. His name is Roberto.", I don't think I should get into legal trouble if I often, or occasionally, still call him Bob. That's taking things way too far in the other direction. I'd like to think that my First Amendment rights, as the teacher, also are worth protecting.
Do the teachers also have a First Amendment right to call your kid "ill-bred spawn of a bitch and an utter moron"?
I don't think you have understood how the First Amendment applies to teachers' speech.
Most inscrutable headline ever.
So ninth circuit judges want to hurt children. Color me unsurprised.
Some gay and trans kids who suffer abuse from their parents would like a word about "hurt[ing] children."
It's generally the case that schools can act against parental rights if they can persuasively demonstrate to a court that the interests of the child demand it.
The problem here is instead assuming that in any disagreement between school and parents, the school is presumptively acting in the children's interest, and the parents against them, so that the school can act against parental rights as a default matter, without having to actually lift a finger to establish that the parents are working against the children's interests.
In that case, CPS should be involved instead of the school. That's their job.
It's the 9th circuit. It's generally a safe bet that any conservative lower court ruling IS going to get overturned on appeal.
That's not been true about the 9C for over a decade, as anyone who actually reads things on this blog should know.
No, it actually has been true about the 9th circuit. I've also cited research here that shows that the en banc panels in the 9th circuit are almost certainly not assigned randomly, they show a distinct pattern when it comes to the number of Republican nominated vs Democrat nominated judges on them.
In theory judicial assignment to cases and panels is random in all the circuits. Empirically, it is NOT, in several of the circuits.
"The 9th Circuit is no longer the venue of choice for appellate challenges to President Trump’s agenda — in large part due to his first-term efforts to remake a court he called ‘disgraceful.'"
"The circuit is now one of the most politically balanced in the federal appellate system, with 16 judges appointed by Democrats and 13 by Republicans."
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-02-07/trump-ninth-circuit-legal-challenges
"Is the Fourth Circuit the New Ninth?"
"Both the Ninth and Sixth Circuits are more conservative than they used to be, and are more aligned with the Supreme Court. Today the court that may be most at odds with the Supreme Court might be the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit--coincidentally, my new home circuit. (The other contender would be the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, which has only one judge appointed by a Republican president, who was just recently confirmed.)"
https://reason.com/volokh/2025/11/24/is-the-fourth-circuit-the-new-ninth/
Your pivot to another subject is noted, and rejected.
You are pivoting from Brett’s point that the 9th skews its en banc panels, to overcome the more even gross numbers of GOP and Dem appointees on the court as a whole.
They - as do the 4th and the DC Circuit - also en banc politically controversial decisions generated by conservative panels more frequently than say the 5th does when the shoe is on the other foot.
In the case of the 4th, “more frequently” means “always.”
Brett's comment: "It's the 9th circuit. It's generally a safe bet that any conservative lower court ruling IS going to get overturned on appeal."
That's wrong.
I am not a practitioner so I don't really know how en banc goes on, but your conspiracy theory has a huge hole in it unless you think all the Republican-appointed judges are in on it as well.
Also Brett : I've also cited research here that shows that the en banc panels in the 9th circuit are almost certainly not assigned randomly, they show a distinct pattern when it comes to the number of Republican nominated vs Democrat nominated judges on them.
You have cited squat. Plus ca change.
You're pretending not to understand Brett's point. The 9th has a Dem appointed majority, but a smaller one than a few years ago. Therefore. less than half the time, but more often than in the past, a 9th panel has a GOP appointed majority. And so, more often than in the glory days of the ultra lefty 9th, a conservative District Court judgment gets upheld by a 9th panel, or a lefty District Court judgement gets overturned by a 9th panel.
But when this happens, "generally" - as Brett says - the en banc court will overturn the conservative panel. But only generally, not always. Sometimes they don't think it's worth it, sometimes they know they're going to lose rapidly at SCOTUS etc. But when there's a politically controversial conservative panel decision where there's an advantage in overturning it at the Appeals court level, that's what they "generally" do.
But they are not the 4th, who will overturn such decisions en banc on principle, always.
This is unlike the behavior of the 5th and the 6th Circuits, both of which have conservative majorities, but which often leave liberal panel decisions be, because these Circuits have a more "conservative' policy for en bancs - ie more restrictive conditions for en bancing.
"only generally, not always."
Vibes.
And retconning Brett's original post.
Sarcastro : "And retconning Brett's original post."
And we go to the tape :
moi : "only generally, not always."
Brett : "It's generally [sic] a safe bet"
"retconning" carrying its special Sarcastro-only meaning, it would appear. Plus ca change, encore une fois.
California once again acting to support and protect pedophiles and groomers to destroy the nuclear family and harm children.
As the sun rises in the east, in the 9th circuit. Gender rulings, gun rights rulings. Going en banc and/or overturning.