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Hostages and "Hostages"
There is no moral equivalence between the hostages released by Hamas and the prisoners released by Israel.
From a post circulating yesterday:
Hamas will release Elkana Buchbut, a 32 yo party producer and musician, married and father of a 4 yo boy.
Israel will release Baher Badar, who in 2004 was responsible for a suicide terror attack which killed 11 Israelis.
Hamas will release Bar Kuperstein, a 23 yo security guard of the Nova festival, and the manager of his father's falafel restaurant.
Israel will release Faras Ganam, who was responsible for at least 5 terror attacks, and at least 4 dead Israelis.
Hamas will release Maxim Herkin, a 36 yo who got to Israel from Ukraine with his family, including his 4 yo daughter.
Israel will release Jihad Rom, who kidanpped 17 yo Yuri Goshchin in Jerusalem to Ramallah, abused him, murdered him and abused his corpse.
Hamas will release Segev Halfon, a 27 yo from Dimona who suffers from PTSD and worked in his family's bakery.
Israel will release Maher al-Hashlamun, who stabbed 3 people, killing one of them - Dalia Lemkus, who was a survivor of another terror attack 8 years prior to her murder.
Hamas will release Eitan Mor, a 25 yo who lived in Jerusalem and worked at a coffee shop.
Israel will release Hussein Sharrif Jauadra, who was 16 yo when stabbing 19 yo Eden Atias to death on a bus.
Hamas will release Alon Ahel, a 24 yo talented pianist and musician.
Israel will release Nabil Abu Hadir, who murdered his own sister for suspecting she was an Israeli agent.
Hamas will release Yosef Chaim Ohana, a 24 yo bartender, who helped others to escape from the party until he was kidnapped himself.
Israel will release Eiad Abu-Al-Rub, the head of The Islamic Jihad in Jenin, who's personally responsible for terror attacks, among them a suicide terror attack in Hedera, where 6 were murdered.
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D Bernstein -
Thanks for exposing the extreme differences in the hostage vs criminal swap.
And he's being too kind at that -- there isn't enough space for a full listing of all the murderers being released by Israel.
There were 250 of them = murderers being released by Israel
And another 1,700 detained in the aftermath of the Simchat Torah Pogrom were released as well.
You are not supposed to notice that. You are just supposed to attack the external enemy to show your loyalty.
And *we're* the ones they call 'fascist';)
It’s sickening that so many terrorists will be able to go back to killing Israelis, but the return of the remaining living hostages is such good news.
I rejoice for their families and wish them a swift recovery from the undeserved trauma they have been subjected to.
On the plus side when Hamas breaks the ceasefire, and we know that they will eventually, the terrorists Israel released will be valid targets for the IDF.
Who said there was a moral equivalence? More whaling against strawman windmills by perpetually angry conservatives. Just be happy there's a ceasefire and the hostages are home.
You're quite right, I haven't hear much about moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas. I can't say *nobody* said it, but such remarks seem to me to be unusual.
Good catch.
What I *have* heard is denunciation of Israel - not the terrorists - as perpetrators of genocide. They don't say "both sides committed genocide."
Might have something to do with the relative body counts?
You haven't seen pro-Palestinian people and organizations refer to the released convicted murderers as "hostages"? What color is the sky on your planet?
https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-calls-on-media-outlets-to-demand-access-to-gaza-freed-palestinian-hostages/
They seem to referring to Palestinians detained during the post Oct. 7th operation, not the security prisoners released.
Israel will release Nabil Abu Hadir, who murdered his own sister for suspecting she was an Israeli agent.
I don't think so.
Israel needs to simply execute these people -- then there won't be the incentive to take hostages, which IS a war crime....
The differences:
The Israeli hostages (those that survived the attack on 10.7): Picked the wrong peace concert to go to
The Gazan prisoners released: Murderers, Bombers, terrorists.
There is no equivalence.
Who flew paragliders to the concert?
Once again, this worn-out style of right wing caterwauling shows only foolishness. Among the hostages released by Israel will be some who were turned in captivity, and who will henceforward report military intelligence to Israel. The larger the number Israel releases, the harder it becomes for its adversaries to identify which to kill selectively, or instead to kill all of them.
That is part of why you see such effective Israeli military intelligence, and also why this pattern has been seen again and again.
Certainly, I hope Israel is doing something like this.
Prof. Bernstein's contention is that Hamas is much worse than Israel. If Israel is spying on Hamas that wouldn't affect Bernstein's argument. After all, the U. S. spied on [Godwin edit].
I wonder how often Netanyahu thinks about Yigal Amir these days.
When I Googled most news sites referred to Israeli hostages, 250 Palestinian prisoners (or security prisoners) and around 1700 Palestinian detainees (“Gazan detainees uninvolved in the October 7, 2023, massacre, who were arrested as unlawful combatants during the war” as the Times of Israel put it).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-frees-nearly-2000-palestinian-prisoners-including-hundreds-of-terror-convicts/amp/
I don't care what label each side puts on the people being exchanged. If hearing the other side claim the moral high ground is the price of peace, so be it. What's interesting to me is the roughly 100:1 ratio in the value of a life. Russia and Ukraine, Russia and USA, China and Canada trade at close to a 1:1 ratio. Venezuela and the USA recently traded at a 25:1 ratio.
What were the criminal records of the Palestinians whom the Israelis killed?