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On Common Good Constitutionalism: Vermeule Response to Barrett
A reply to the Associate Justice's recent remarks.
In a recent NRO interview, Justice Amy Coney Barrett said she did not "like this common good constitutionalism movement," suggesting it was too "results-oriented."
At the New Digest, Professor Adrian Vermeule, author of Common Good Constitutionalism, has responded to Justice Barrett's comments. Here is a taste:
here is a serious ambiguity in Justice Barrett's critique.4 There is a sense of "result-oriented" that Justice Barrett would be quite right to criticize; in this sense, the judge must avoid result-orientation at all costs. This sense is captured in the federal judicial oath mandated by 28 U.SC. 453, which requires the judge to swear to "administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich." The judge must show no partiality whatsoever as between the parties to the case.
But I'm not at all sure that's what Justice Barrett means by "result-oriented." If, as I suspect, she is drawing upon a different sense of "result-oriented" widespread in originalist writing, she means something quite different: judges interpreting the law must never take into account the consequences for the common good or public interest of the various possible interpretations. Fiat sensus primigenius, ruat caelum - let the original meaning be done, though the heavens fall.
Common good constitutionalism does indeed hold that judges interpreting the law should sometimes take into account the consequences of their interpretations for the public interest; in that sense, although only in that sense, Barrett's charge of "result-orientation" is perfectly true. The difference between Barrett and the classical lawyer, however, is that the classical lawyer does not think it is bad for judges to be "result-oriented" in the second sense. Indeed I believe that "result-orientation" in the second sense is so firmly grounded in our legal theory and practice, from the very beginning of our republic, that any good-faith originalist ought to recognize a kind of bounded legal consequentialism as one component of her approach to adjudication.
The full essay is available here.
Justice Barrett is not the first jurist to critique common good constitutionalism. I noted Judge Bill Pryor's critique, as well as Prof. Vermeule's response (with Conor Casey).
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Yes, that "common good Constitutionalism" might be results oriented is bad. Now do "law and economics".
Eh ?
The reason that "common good Constitutionalism" is bad, is the same reason that any other kind of results-oriented judging is bad. It is the substitution of the rule of men for the rule of law.
"Law and economics" has the square root of diddley squat to do with judging. It is an academic investigation of the economic, particularly microeconomic. effects of laws. Which may be accompanied by policy proposals as to which laws should be written, and how.
It may be bad if the academic investigation is poor, as with any academic investigation of anything. But that doesn't make the exercise bad per se, it just makes it badly done.
Delivering judgements in court according to your view of the consequences instead of according to the rules that have been provided by a higher authority is ipso facto usurpation.
Doing poor academic work, as and when it is bad, is just bad academic work. Economics Professors investigating the effects of laws do not decide cases in court.
You are confusing chalk with cheese.
Law and economics has a lot to say about the structure of torts at common law. Since torts does have an eye on consequences, both micro and macro.
That's fine, I think.
Any legal rule has an eye on consequences. The point is that it is the lawmaker's job to craft the law with an eye to the likely consequences of his work. It is not the judge's job. The law and economics guys are offering advice to the lawmaker, not deciding cases. The judge's job is simply to apply the rule he is given, like it or not. Ruat caelum.
The judicial conceit is to imagine that if he does not stop the sky falling, no one else can do it. But in reality, the people charged with keeping the sky from falling are the legislature and the executive. A judge has no role in the matter of keeping the sky up.
I don't think judges are or should act like robots. I don't think they should act like outcome-oriented lawgivers either.
But the discharge of justice is part of the function of the judge.
And especially when opining about the Constitution, blinding oneself to consequences makes no sense. Not even Scalia advocated for that.
I'd end with an observation that you're the extreme one here. I'm not saying only take consequences into account, I'm saying it's one element among many, including the text and intent and purpose etc.
You're the one saying it can never be an element at all.
"Common Good Constitutionalism" is Catholic Integralism in a trenchcoat. religious morality, not the Declaration of Independence, nor the Constitution, nor Common Law, is held as the ultimate authority. the "Rights" guaranteed by the Constitution only exist when exercised for the Common Good - unabashedly.
so, 1A gives you the Freedom of Speech to evangelize to the heathens, but not to spread dangerous blasphemy or leftist ideology. you can found Churches, maaaybe Synagogues, but certainly no Mosques.
its aim, per a quote apparently from Vermeule himself, states:
> is certainly not to maximize individual autonomy or to minimize the abuse of power (an incoherent goal in any event), but instead to ensure that the ruler has the power needed to rule well ... Just authority in rulers can be exercised for the good of subjects, if necessary even against the subjects' own perceptions of what is best for them — perceptions that may change over time anyway, as the law teaches, habituates, and re-forms them. Subjects will come to thank the ruler whose legal strictures, possibly experienced at first as coercive, encourage subjects to form more authentic desires for the individual and common goods, better habits, and beliefs that better track and promote communal well-being.
you read that right. us "subjects" will come to thank the ruler, thusly empowered, after we're re-"educated," for the "coercive" legal strictures imposed on us. "abuse of power" isn't even a consideration!
this may surpass even Integralism - he describes a kind of Christian Sharia, with judges playing the role of imams.
One can say that common law systems are results-oriented, since judges "discover" the laws they want according to the issues at stake.
But all laws are results-oriented, since they are meant to do something, even in a civil code system populated by angels.
Common good constitutionalism's only difference from every other system is being open about who tells whom what to do and not do. I'm willing to cut George Washington a lot of slack, since I gather he didn't really want to be President, and he started the two term tradition which FDR trashed. But even Saint George still wanted to tell people what to do and not do.
Does it for a moment occur to you that a judge can reserve taking sides, and be interested in the law as a rational system?
Do you go through life with zero internal control, and everything's transactional?
I'm not saying legal realism isn't a thing, but it's not *always* a thing.
Humans are not the fallen creatures you think they are.
Oh piss up a rope. I don't think anything occurs in the feeble thing you call a brain. You're agin everything can piss on, and that's about as far as your thinking goes. Maybe try actually answering the comment's substance if you expect anything other than splashback.
You make blithe invocations of what judges do. And when I point out that's not supported, you have no response other than bile.
If you are so sensitive about your axioms getting probed, what does that say?
Does it for a moment occur to you that a judge can reserve taking sides, and be interested in the law as a rational system?
Obviously the judge can be interested in the law as a rational system, just as he can be interested in the ballet or hang gliding. In his spare time.
But his day job involves taking sides - ie delivering judicial decisions - in cases and controversies brought by Party A and Party B, according to the law he is given by other people, whether he thinks it constitutes a rational system or not. If the law says cut the baby in half, that's what the judge is supposed to rule.
Lee, read the comment I was replying to. It's about common law judging.
You sure did take out that strawman though.
All laws are results orientated - before the fact. The lawmaker considers the likely consequences and writes the law accordingly.
But a court is not supposed to consider the consequences, after the fact. If the judge looks at the rule, decides it delivers the wrong consequences and then applies his own rule to achieve what are, in his opinion, better consequences, you don't have a system of law. You have arbitrary rule by judges.
There's a big difference between making up a rule before the fact, and making up a rule after the fact.
The common law, in theory, does not involve judicial after the fact lawmaking, it involves judicial discovery of the pre-existing custom. It developed into a system of judicial lawmaking before the idea of the separation of powers caught on.
The common law, in theory, does not involve judicial after the fact lawmaking, it involves judicial discovery of the pre-existing custom
Blackstone did not go unchallenged in this characterization, either of how common law cases are reasoned or how it's supposed to be implemented.
Hell, read actual common law cases and you'll realize Blackstone was more wishcasting than describing.
The US Constitution has been interpreted in too many ways for various reasons to produce an output largely unrealistic to the reason for its creation - a standard changing little over time. It was for limiting the binding energy over the States, whom were to provide the bulk of our experiments in governing bodies.
The bastardization of the supreme document into a monolithic goliath - an specter up our sphincters - is a destructive practice best ended, but may be impossible to do so. Too many rear-enders enjoy the feel and the practice, both citizen and politician respectively, for this arraignment to end. However, this conclusion points to an inescapable truth of the current system being passed along, gaining in size, until it can not move any further on its own, lest it blows out explosively with the pieces cleaned and reformed into regional entities.
Vermeule tells his readers that there are other ways besides his of interpreting the common good.
Which is just as well, because he makes the common good depend too much on the federal administrative state. Under normal circumstances, leftists would like him-at least on economic/regulatory issues. A New Deal era judge would like Vermeule's results, and would be confused by the criticism that Vermeule is evil because he doesn't want abortion, or for men to become women and vice versa.
If Vermeule is a theocrat, he's probably after the model of FDR supporter Monsignor John Ryan, the "Right Reverend New Dealer."
I would go beyond Vermeule because I think the common good involves a bit more subsidiarity (in the sense of actual division of state and federal powers) and more civil liberties (which benefit everyone, actually).
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