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Federal Circuit Rules Against Trump's Massive IEEPA Tariffs in Our Case Challenging Them
In a 7-4 ruling, the en banc court upheld trial court ruling against all the challenged tariffs. The scope of the injunction against them remains to be determined.

Today the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit ruled against President Trump's massive "Liberation Day" tariffs in VOS Selections v. Trump, a case filed by Liberty Justice Center and myself on behalf of five small US businesses (we have since been joined by prominent Supreme Court litigators Michael McConnell and Neal Katyal; Neal skillfully conducted the oral argument before the Federal Circuit). The ruling also covers the case filed by twelve states led by Oregon; they prevailed, as well. On these points, a 7-4 majority of the en banc Federal Circuit affirmed the earlier trial court decision issued by the Court of International Trade. The court also remanded the issue of how broad the injunction against the tariffs should be to the Court of International Trade. That litigation is, however, postponed until October 14, to give the government a chance to ask the Supreme Court to review the case.
The majority concluded that the tariffs in question are not authorized by the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA), and that the major questions doctrine precludes interpreting IEEPA to give the president the virtually unlimited tariff authority he claims.
The majority, concurring and dissenting opinions are 127 pages long, and I will not attempt to cover everything in them here. I will merely highlight some key points.
Here is an excerpt from the per curiam majority decision (issued in the name of all seven majority judges), explaining why IEEPA doesn't authorize the tariffs imposed by the president:
[I]n each statute delegating tariff power to the President, Congress has provided specific substantive limitations and procedural guidelines to be followed in imposing any such tariffs. It seems unlikely that Congress intended, in enacting IEEPA, to depart from its past practice and grant the President unlimited authority to impose tariffs. The statute neither mentions tariffs (or any of its synonyms) nor has procedural safeguards that contain clear limits on the President's power to impose tariffs….
[W]henever Congress intends to delegate to the President the authority to impose tariffs, it does so explicitly, either by using unequivocal terms like tariff and duty, or via an overall structure which makes clear that Congress is referring to tariffs. This is no surprise, as the core Congressional power to impose taxes such as tariffs is vested exclusively in the legislative branch by the Constitution; when Congress delegates this power in the first instance, it does so clearly and unambiguously…
Contrary to the Government's assertion, the mere authorization to "regulate" does not in and of itself imply the authority to impose tariffs. The power to "regulate" has long been understood to be distinct from the power to "tax." In fact, the Constitution vests these authorities in Congress separately. U.S. Const. art. I, § 8 cl. 1, 3; see also Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1, 201 (1824) ("It is, that all duties, imposts, and excises, shall be uniform. In a separate clause of the enumeration, the power to regulate commerce is
given, as being entirely distinct from the right to levy taxes and imposts, and as being a new power, not before conferred. The constitution, then, considers these powers as
substantive, and distinct from each other."); Nat'l Fed'n. of Indep. Bus. v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519, 552, 567 (2012) (holding that the individual mandate provision of the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act was a permissible exercise of Congress's taxing power but exceeded Congress's power to regulate commerce). While Congress may use its taxing power in a manner that has a regulatory effect,… the power to tax is not always incident to the power to regulate…Upon declaring an emergency under IEEPA, a President may, in relevant part, "investigate, block during the pendency of an investigation, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit" the "importation or exportation of . . . any property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest." 50 U.S.C. § 1702(a)(1)(B). "Regulate" must be read in the context of these other verbs, none of which involve monetary actions or suggest the power to tax or impose tariffs…
The majority also emphasized that the government's claim to unlimited tariff authority goes against the major questions doctrine:
The Government's interpretation of IEEPA as providing the President power to impose unlimited tariffs also runs afoul of the major questions doctrine. See, e.g., Oral Arg.16at 19:28–19:39 (the Government stating "there is no limit on the cap of the tariff in IEEPA itself"). The Supreme Court has explained that the doctrine applies in "cases in
which the 'history and the breadth of the authority . . . asserted'" by the Government entails vast "economic and political significance."West Virginia v. EPA, 597 U.S. 697,
721 (2022)…. In such cases, there may be a "'reason to hesitate before concluding that Congress' meant to confer such authority." Id…. When the major questions doctrine is
implicated, the Government must point to "clear congressional authorization" for that asserted power. Id. at 732….The tariffs at issue in this case implicate the concerns animating the major questions doctrine as they are both "unheralded" and "transformative." Id. at 722, 724; see also
id. at 725 ("[J]ust as established practice may shed light on the extent of power conveyed by general statutory language, so the want of assertion of power by those who presumably would be alert to exercise it, is equally significant in determining whether such power was actually conferred.)" ….Since IEEPA was promulgated almost fifty years ago, past presidents have invoked IEEPA frequently. But not once before has a President asserted his authority under IEEPA to impose tariffs on imports or adjust the rates thereof. Rather, presidents have typically invoked IEEPA to restrict financial transactions with specific countries or entities that the President has determined pose an acute threat to the country's interests….
Additionally,… tariffs are a core Congressional power. The "basic and consequential
tradeoffs" that are inherent in the President's decision to mpose the Trafficking and Reciprocal Tariffs "are ones that Congress would likely have intended for itself." Nebraska, 600 U.S. at 506 (quoting West Virginia, 597 U.S. at 730). Moreover, the United States imports more than $4 trillion of goods annually; these imports account for 14 percent of the nation's economy. J.A. 215. The Government itself has claimed that the Reciprocal Tariffs will "generate between $2.3 trillion and $3.3 trillion over the
budget window…." The Executive's use of tariffs qualifies as a decision of vast economic and political significance, so the Government must "point to clear
congressional authorization" for its interpretation of IEEPA. West Virginia, 597 U.S. at 723…For the reasons discussed above, we discern no clear congressional authorization by IEEPA for tariffs of the magnitude of the Reciprocal Tariffs and Trafficking Tariffs.
Reading the phrase "regulate . . . importation" to include imposing these tariffs is "a wafer-thin reed on which to rest such sweeping power." Ala. Ass'n of Realtors v. Dep't of Health & Hum. Servs., 594 U.S. 758, 765 (2021)
The majority goes on to reject claims that the major questions doctrine does not apply to delegations to the president (their reasoning is similar to that which I outlined here). It also rejects the argument that the doctrine does not apply because tariffs are a "foreign affairs" power.
The majority did not address whether the government's claim of unlimited tariff authority would also run afoul of the nondelegation doctrine, which limits the extent to which Congress can delegate legislative authority to the executive. But it does note the significance of the fact that tariffs are a "core congressional power."
The majority explicitly chose not resolve the issue of whether IEEPA can be used to impose any tariffs at all. But their reasoning suggests either that such imposition is indeed categorically barred, or that any tariff authority that exists under IEEPA is strictly limited.
The concurring opinion, written by Judge Cunningham, on behalf of four judges goes further than the majority. It concludes that IEEPA does not authorize any tariffs at all. It also indicates that the sort of sweeping delegation of tariff authority claimed by the president here is precluded by the nondelegation doctrine, which limits the extent to which Congress can delegate legislative power to the president, relying in part on the Supreme Court's recent ruling in FCC v. Consumers' Research (which was helpful to our case in a number of ways):
The Government's interpretation of IEEPA would render it an unconstitutional delegation. Because taxation authority constitutionally rests with Congress, any delegation of that authority to the President must at least set out an intelligible principle that includes "both 'the general policy'" that the President "must pursue and 'the boundaries of [its] delegated authority.'" FCC v. Consumers' Rsch., 145 S. Ct. 2482, 2497 (2025)… Similarly, Congress must "provide[ ] sufficient standards to enable both 'the courts and the public [to] ascertain'" whether the President "has followed the law." Id…. Because this is undoubtedly a case that "affect[s] the entire national economy," the "'guidance' needed is greater . . . than when [Congress] addresses a narrow, technical issue." Id…. For taxes, both "quantitative" and "qualitative limits on how much money" the President can raise are permissible, but it would "pose a constitutional problem" if the "statute gives the [executive branch] power, all on its own, to raise [a] hypothetical $5 trillion" with no "ceiling." Id. at 2501–02.
The Government's interpretation of IEEPA would be a functionally limitless delegation of Congressional taxation authority.
The majority did however vacate the trial court's universal injunction against the tariffs, and remand the issue of the scope of the injunction to the trial court to determine how broad it should be, in light of the Supreme Court's recent ruling restricting universal injunctions, in Trump v. CASA. We have a variety of arguments as to why a broad injunction is appropriate in this case, even after CASA (see relevant section of our brief).
The dissent by Judge Taranto, on behalf of himself and three other judges, largely accepts many of the government's arguments. I won't go over them in detail here, as this post is already too long. Obviously, I have responded to these arguments in some detail in previous writings, and our legal team also did so in our briefs.
The court has, for the moment, stayed its ruling until October 14, to give the government a chance to ask the Supreme Court to review the decision. We shall see what the justices choose to do.
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All of our nation's adversaries are deeply indebted to you. Take a bow!
American consumers: “our nation’s adversaries,” apparently.
Americans and people in every other country. That's essential to authoritarianism: enemies at home and abroad. Perpetual emergencies.
No our nation's adversaries are big corporations and Wall Street, who hate tariffs because it eats into their profit margins. They have no issue destroying American manufacturing to increase their own profits.
Not much faith in free markets?
Nor in the value of corporate income tax on profits, apparently.
So you and your buddies at the bar are opening your own iron foundry, no big corporations involved? LOL.
Take it up with Congress. If it’s such good policy as you say it is, Congress can enact it.
Yes, the economy is so bad, last quarter's numbers were revised UPWARD by .3%
Ok, very creepy weirdo Kleppe
This Court is a dirty Democrat, attack dog, partisan, political operative. It has zero credibility, justifying its decision with legal gibberish devoid of any meaning. A campaign should begin to drive them out of town. Investigate them their every aspect of life. Force them to repaint their houses, in accordance with zoning board regulations, if a paint chip is seen.
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It looks like the shills are preparing the public for at least the harassment, if not yet the assassination or mob lynching of judges.
Good to know.
It’s better to have such people on this forum.
They provide valuable intelligence.
Josh, your utterance is dirty woke talk. Zero tolerance for woke.
"your utterance is dirty woke talk"
OK, nerd.
SCOTUS will again affirm that the President of the United States is the head of the executive branch and will overturn the dullard homies.
What does the Executive Branch have to do with regulating commerce with foreign countries?
But they will very likely also again reaffirm that taxation is the sole responsibility of the Legislative Branch and none of the Executive Branch’s business.
If SCOTUS affirms that the tariffs are illegal, what happens to the importers who have already paid a tariff?
Do they get their tariff payments back? Would they have to seek reimbursement at the Court of Claims?
When the tariffs were first announced, consensus of neutral legal and financial analysts was that if the final determination is that they were imposed without congressional authority, all tariffs collected would be returned to the payer.
That's not certain though, and part of the court decision was that while plaintiffs' payments would be refunded, the specific question of would all tariff payments collected be returned, was remanded to the trial court.
Gonna be a while folks.
Indeed, as our mutual friend EW pointed out the other day, Scott Bessent went on TV and admitted this was part of their strategy for when they get in front of SCOTUS: essentially purposely drag this out to a point where it would be extremely costly and complicated to unwind.
In which case, the Court is capable of granting prospective relief only, as it often does. I continue to be baffled at the fecklessness of a judiciary that decides the utterly trivial Pentagon papers case in a week but drags this case out for months. I guess they hated Nixon but they’re scared of Trump, who evidently learned from Caligula.
consensus of neutral legal and financial analysts was that if the final determination is that they were imposed without congressional authority, all tariffs collected would be returned to the payer.
But this is impossible, no matter what these analysts say. How in the world is anyone going to to determine the incidence of the tariff?
Refunds are not part of this case. The relief sought was prospective only. However, any precedent set in the Federal Circuit could be used as the basis for a refund claim. Generally, tariffs are not finally determined ("liquidated") until about a year after initially paid. Protests can be filed after that. If protests are denied by CBP, then suit can be filed in the CIT, which is bound by decisions of the Federal Circuit (and the Supreme Court). Refunds paid accrue interest at 6% for corporations, 7% for others.
I think reimbursement of tariffs still fall under CIT's exclusive jurisdiction, not CFC. 28 U.S.C. §1581(i)(1) (exclusive jurisdiction of CIT for suits against the United States in tariff-related suits); §2643(a)(1) (authorizing monetary judgment against the United States in suits under §1581)
JerKat — What happens to make me whole, after I pay a tariff premium for imported groceries? Permit me to suggest that question is important enough that any action by SCOTUS to continue the case without a prompt decision would be dereliction.
Obviously, no one can make whole the damages suffered by American consumers individually. Justice demands such damages be prevented as soon as possible.
What happens to make me whole, after I pay a tariff premium for imported groceries? Permit me to suggest that question is important enough that any action by SCOTUS to continue the case without a prompt decision would be dereliction.
But that's most likely exactly what's going to happen - a quick stay on the shadow docket, unexplained of course, followed by dragging out any decision on the merits for as long as possible, at which point Alito will patiently explain that after 18 months of the tariffs being the status quo it would be too disruptive to rule against the administration. And as you suggest, too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
The SCOTUS could surprise me, but while it was Trump who said "I'm the president of the United States. I can do anything I want.", that seems to be the doctrine of a majority of the court.
“Alito will patiently explain that after 18 months of the tariffs being the status quo it would be too disruptive to rule against the administration. And as you suggest, too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube.”
This is exactly right. Scott Bessent went on TV and said as much a couple of weeks ago.
It's ironic Republicans take this position now.
20 years ago, a woman had a baby and gave it up for adoption. It was adopted by a well to do Ann Arbor couple. The only problem was the mom never told the father.
He found out and immediately sued for custody. The couple fought tooth and nail to keep the kid. Aftet two years, when the kid was pushing 3, they started complaining it was too late, and the kid should not change hands since they were the only parents it knew.
It was noted at the time there was plenty of opportinity to swap the baby over prior to this moment, and this may have been the plan all along. Drag it out until too late.
See also let brave people who make it to America stay, vs. send 'em back.
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to be the villain." Flip flopping in situational ethics, well, that just suggests both sides ard utiliarian villians, alway, all along.
How is it ironic? Delaying seems to have been a favored Republican tactic to avoid something they don't want*, although I have no idea which side Republicans favored in the Baby Jessica case (over 30 years ago).
* The Senate filibuster and not giving appointees of Democratic presidents hearings or votes in the Senate; not acknowledging the outcome of the 2020 election or allowing electoral vote counting to happen in the usual time frame; gratuitously delaying Donald Trump's legal cases, for a few notable examples.
Why would it be disruptive to eliminate the tariffs?
Trump's constant changes are disruptive, but his acolytes don't seem to care. Just changing them all to zero, or whatever they were on Jan. 19, 2025 would less disruptive, and quite easy.
Of course making those who paid them whole would be impossible. I suppose you could just divide all the revenue by the number of individual taxpayers and give everyone an income tax credit in that amount.
That's the second time you've said that. My understanding is that, by preexisting statute, records are retained of each instance of a tariff collected, including identification of the payer. It was pretty much a given in the discussions I followed.
ChatGPT seems good enough for this: Are records retained of each instance of a tariff collected by U.S. Customs, including identification of the payer?
I think he's referring to the price increases passed along to American retail consumers.
You would also be paying a premium on domestic groceries...
Yes, obviously. A premium enabled by the tariffs on competing imported groceries. Makes room for domestic vendors to raise prices, which is a big part of the point.
But not always the point. We have also seen Trump assert a personal power to tax Americans to empower his own caprice to meddle in Brazilian politics.
As Groucho Marx said, time wounds all heels.
Is “additional views” just what the federal circuit calls its concurrences? I haven’t seen that before.
Irrelevant. SCOTUS will reverse
BINGO!!!
We shall see. It would be an abomination if they did, confirming the majority as mere lapdogs of the regime, rather than a "co-equal branch".
The phrase "co-equal branch" is not in the constitution.
Yup - hence the inverted commas.
But the concept derives from Montesquieu, whose writing influenced the framers of the Constitution...
Why would SCOTUS reverse?
The Federal Circuit applied its own precedent to the case. There is no Circuit split.
SCOTUS shouldn't even grant cert.
Cases that are funneled into the Federal Circuit can never involve a circuit split, but SCOTUS still takes them when necessary. As to why would SCOTUS reverse: why did they issue a batshit crazy presidential immunity decision?
So you can't think of a reason to reverse? Neither can I.
As for a circuit split, that would be a reason to grant cert to affirm.
And certain income tax refund cases that go through the Federal Circuit can create a circuit split.
If they even grant cert, no, they will not. In fact, it's more likely than not to be a unanimous uphold.
There is no way this court will buy that Congress intended to delegate unlimited taxation power to the executive.
Alito will vote for whatever current Republican orthodoxy is. Currently that is "Trump is always right" so presumably there would be at least one vote to overturn. A couple of others are Executive maximalists and who knows what Thomas will do, so maybe you could get to three or even four votes, but I agree even that's unlikely. 8-1 or 7-2 would be my guess.
If 8-1 or 7-2, why even grant cert?
The entire appeal hinges on one issue, who defines what is an emergency. SCOTUS either finds that judges decide or that elected political leaders decide.
SCOTUS, by a 5-4 vote, in a narrow ruling applying to this case, will decide that the definition of emergency lies with the duly elected political leaders. If this decision outrages the nation then they should elect members to the United States Congress that will more effectively define emergency in the next law on tariffs.
There is no way in the world that SCOTUS is going to upend 3.3% GDP growth in Q2 with a 3.5% projection in Q3 by rendering Trump's declaration of emergency invalid.
I eagerly await Ilya's fit throwing rant as he tastes bitter defeat when it counts.
This illustrates why the constitution is a mere parchment barrier.
Uhhhh no. The issue is whether POTUS has the power to tax. But that aside, if you think gdp is going up beyond a tick at most in Q3 and then tumbling when forgery prices literally doubt in Q4, I would very much appreciate some of the drugs you take. This is a purported libertarian website after all.
As of August 29, 2025, the Atlanta Fed's GDPNow model has a running estimate of 3.5% real GDP growth for the third quarter of 2025. This is a significant upward revision from its previous estimate of 2.2%, reflecting recent data releases from the U.S. Census Bureau and the Bureau of Economic Analysis that show increased growth in personal consumption expenditures and private investment.
POTUS taxing ?
Tariffs are not taxes, unless profits are taxes too.
Tariffs aren't taxes. Boy, that's a new one. You getting desperate?
Tariffs are not taxes
Ding, ding, ding!
We have a winner for dumbest internet comment of the week.
The entire appeal hinges on one issue, who defines what is an emergency.
Nope. The issue is whether in an emergency the president has the delegated authority to impose tariffs. Both the absence of any reference to tariffs and the MQD indicate otherwise.
That is one element of the appeal but I don't think it is the main one let alone the major one. The most important point, I think, is does IEEPA allow these tariffs even in an emergency. The court found not.
There is no way in the world that SCOTUS is going to upend 3.3% GDP growth in Q2 with a 3.5% projection in Q3 by rendering Trump's declaration of emergency invalid.
Trump's declaration has zip to do with GDP growth.
But if the Court orders the US Treasury to refund everything paid by US companies and individual importers, just think what that $200bn cash injection directly into the US economy would do for the stock market!
Funded by $200bn in Treasury debt issuance...
Four judges swallowed Trump's swill. How dispiriting. I have zero confidence in SCOTUS.
Two of whom were appointed by Obama. Democrat appointees outnumber GOP appointees on the court 8-3, and there are no Trump appointees on it. (I am not counting Reagan appointee Judge Pauline Newman, who has been "suspended" [illegally, in my opinion] by her colleagues and has not participated in any cases for some time.)
...and the case was still 7-4 despite the 8-3 construction you described. Trump will win at SCOTUS.
The only Trump appointee so far to consider this case found the tariffs invalid.
The reasoning in your argument inspires zero confidence.
Don't often agree with Ilya, but he did God's work on this one. Thank you, sir.
I suggest this result is potentially the biggest legal influence coup since I have been following the VC. Congratulations to Somin, for his part in it. But I will be surprised if this partisanly corrupt Supreme Court does not find some way to kill that influence with delay.
I think SCOTUS has been quite consistent on its nondelegation rulings. This group will uphold, probably unanimously (if anything, the "left" judges will be the ones to depart from their typical living constitution philosophy).
Quite consistent until now, but a Republican president is different. I am skeptical that most of the justices have the intellectual integrity to apply their past rulings against Trump.
There is the plainly incorrect and limiting statutory interpretation that is a thinly veiled imposition of judicial preferences over the power clearly delegated to the president by Congress in matters implicating national security and/or a national emergency in the context of foreign affairs. And of course the seriously ridiculous application of the major questions doctrine. A doctrine which has no application to the president when dealing with national security matters to protect the country. And finally we have the contemptuous bad faith of the court to release this decision late in the day of a Friday before a holiday.
I fully expect the S.Ct, to reverse this nonsense. But the damage this litigation may do in the interim extends even further by interfering/disrupting existing trade agreements and ongoing negotiations. Even after a reversal this could still negatively impact future deals. This is a national disgrace.
Riva, you wouldn't know proper statutory interpretation if it bit you in the ass.
As I wrote on the open thread, Donald Trump's handmaid John Roberts wrote last summer:
Trump v. United States, 603 U.S. 593, ___, 144 S.Ct. 2312, 2327, 219 L.Ed.2d 991 (2024).
What are you babbling about? How is Youngstown is controlling? Here we have the IEEPA, under which Congress has broadly delegated power directly to the President in the domains of foreign policy and national security. These are also matters that implicate the constitutional authority of the President. The major questions and non-delegation doctrines are inapplicable. This ruling is an embarrassment screaming for S.Ct. correction.
And what part of the IEEPA mentions tariffs as part of the delegated powers?
Which Constitutional authority is that? Is the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations in Article II in your copy?
Under the constitution, the president has broad inherent power in the foreign policy and national security domains. As for the statute, the dissent says it well:
IEEPA’s language, as confirmed by its history, authorizes tariffs to regulate importation—a conclusion that the majority does not squarely reject, but Judge Cunningham and those who join her opinion do. And IEEPA’s language does not contain the additional limits on which the majority opinion today relies as the sole basis for its illegality holding. Maj.Op. at 37–42. IEEPA embodies an eyes-open congressional grant of broad emergency authority in this foreign-affairs realm, which unsurprisingly extends beyond authorities available under non-emergency laws, and Congress confirmed the understood breadth by tying IEEPA’s authority to particularly demanding procedural requirements for keeping Congress informed. And, contrary to the CIT’s reason for invalidating the reciprocal tariffs, such emergency authority is not displaced by another statute (section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, Pub. L. No. 93-618, 88 Stat. 1978, 1987–88, (1974) (codified at 19 U.S.C. § 2132)); nor does IEEPA contain the exclusion of using IEEPA authorities as leverage that the CIT articulated as the sole basis for holding the trafficking tariffs unlawful.
Sure: the president can appoint ambassadors or negotiate treaties with other nations, in each case with the consent of some or all of Congress, and is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
So which of those broad inherent powers listed includes the ability to unilaterally impose tariffs on every nation on Earth?
I never claimed the president could unilaterally impose tariffs. That’s your twisted interpretation. But the question of the constitutionality and scope of the statute in question must be interpreted here in the context of foreign policy and national security.
Your turn to answer some questions. Do you claim the president is due no deference in these areas? Should the law be interpreted in this case as if there were no foreign policy/national security matters at issue? And finally try addressing the comments made by the dissent on the IEEPA, arguments you conspicuously ignore because you have no intelligent response.
Weirdly, none of those words are actually in the constitution. Youngstown , which you seem confused about and have obviously never read, does not answer the question of what IEEPA says about tariffs, but it does squarely reject the notion that "national security" is a magic incantation that lets the president do what he wants.
Also, of course, Trump's tariffs have nothing to do with national security.
Youngstown absolutely does not control in a case dealing with a congressional delegation of authority directly to the president in a context that implicates national security/foreign affairs. But if you want to submit an amicus brief relying on Youngstown please do. Please. I beg you. This nonsense and incredibly damaging litigation needs some comic relief.
And, of course, President Trump invoked (IEEPA) and declared national security emergencies related to trade deficits and foreign economic practices. While some appellate justices might disagree and prefer a different policy that is only relevant to the extent it highlights their own errors. The judges have no more say in the declarations than crazy Dave.
When you say "the power clearly delegated to the president by Congress", are you referencing the fact that Congress did not give the President authority over tariffs?
You have apparently not read the statute, the Constitution, or the relevant precedent, so I can understand your confusion. You probably never even read the President’s EOs. Or if you have glanced at any of the above, you didn’t understand them. Much like the judges issuing this ruling.
Riva has a secret argument that is so good we're just not going to hear it.
Apparently you also have not read the statute, the Constitution, or the relevant precedent. And we can add my comments and the actual ruling released late yesterday to the above list of things you haven't actually read, or if you have, you didn't really understand anything. But that's to be expected. That's not what trolls do. Otherwise they wouldn't be ignorant trolls.
But speaking of mysteries, it certainly is a legal mystery how the major questions doctrine has any application with respect to a direct delegation of authority to the president in the foreign policy and national security domains. Equally confusing is how every other court of appeals has upheld IEEPA against non-delegation challenges. Weird, huh?
Nobody is trying to strike down IEEPA.
You genuinely don’t understand what any of this is about, do you?
I’m obviously not defending the legality or constitutionality of IEEPA itself from a general challenge numbskull. I’m contending that the major questions and non-delegation doctrines have no application in this case. Points you are unable to understand or address. Now go away.
Actually one final question. Are you both really two individual trolls or just one big fat troll using separate aliases in different accounts?
You genuinely don’t understand what any of this is about, do you?
...universally relevant Riva comment. Probably worth a hot-key for you.
Tag team trolling does get a little tiring. Can't imagine anyone would pay them much but if democrats threw away millions on Harris then they'll pay anyone.
The decision was 7-4. The majority opinion was unsigned. Four judges concurred and four dissented. The majority held these particular tariffs were not permitted by IEEPA; the concurrence said no tariffs were permitted by IEEPA; and the dissent, of course, would have permitted the tariffs.
So, only four of eleven judges felt that the power to "regulate... importation" did not encompass the power to tax, an untenable position belied by common sense and mountains of precedent. However, this shows a flaw in the majority's opinion. If merely these tariffs, as opposed to any tariffs, are not allowed by IEEPA, and if judges have a role in determining whether an emergency actually exists, how should those determinations be made? Not on a judge's gut feeling and not summary judgment, as this case was, but with a hearing and developed record.
Chief Justice Roberts loves to play "kick the can down the road", and that is a route he may want to take: send the case back to the CIT to develop the case more. That should buy another two or three years as the case inevitably winds its way back to the Supreme Court. It will certainly push it past the one-year expiration of the emergency declaration, if not past the entire Trump presidency. Maybe he'll get lucky, and the case will be moot before he actually has to make a decision.
Points all well taken.
At which point, with a Democratic Congress and President, he will courageously declare the tariffs illegal, hoping to stave off court-packing.
But the opinion points out that, in earlier cases where the President was allowed to impose tariffs the relevant statutes specifically used the word "tariffs," or the equivalent, where as the IEEPA does not, granting only the right to, among other things, "regulate" imports.
Further, in those cases the President's authority was limited both in time and in the adjustments he was allowed to make. Trump claims he has unlimited authority.
Oh, and there is no damn emergency anyway.
But the opinion points out that, in earlier cases where the President was allowed to impose tariffs the relevant statutes specifically used the word "tariffs,"
By "the opinion", you refer to the concurrence which conveys the opinion of four of the eleven judges. The other seven said the IEEPA would allow tariffs (just not these tariffs, according to the majority opinion). Statutes which grant emergency powers to the President are, by their nature, meant to be broad and flexible. The IEEPA does list some things the President cannot do, and the word "tariffs" does not appear there either.
During the Civil War, Congress passed a law prohibiting commerce with the states in rebellion. The statute provided, however, that the President could grant exemptions through licenses, subject to "rules and regulations prescribed by the Secretary of the Treasury." President Lincoln did so, prescribing a charge of four cents per pound of cotton transported from a rebellious district to the United States. This four-cent charge was challenged under the theory that the Taxation Power was reserved to Congress, and the surcharge was not a permissible "regulation". A unanimous Supreme Court upheld the surcharge. Hamilton v. Dillin, 88 U.S. 73 (1874).
Id. at 92-93.
The power to "regulate" encompasses the power to tax. In 1971, President Nixon, citing trade imbalances, declared a national emergency under the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 (TWEA), imposing an additional 10% tariff on imports. An importer challenged the tariff. The question before the court was whether the authority to "regulate... importation" under the TWEA included the power to impose tariffs. The Customs Court (predecessor to the Court of International Trade) held it did not. Yoshida Int'l, Inc. v. United States, 378 F. Supp. 1155 (1974). On appeal, the Court of Customs and Patent Appeals (predecessor to the Federal Circuit) reversed, holding the power to "regulate... importation" encompassed the power to impose tariffs. 526 F.2d 560 (CCPA 1975).
Two years after the CCPA's decision in Yoshida, Congress passed the IEEPA to address national emergencies in peacetime, limiting the TWEA to wartime emergencies, using the identical "regulate... importation" language. So, to accept that the IEEPA does not authorize tariffs, one must believe that Congress, cognizant of the court's interpretation of the phrase "regulate... importation" in Yoshida, for some reason chose to use the same words to mean something different.
Oh, and there is no damn emergency anyway.
Well, if you say so, I guess that settles the matter.
When you consider that the United States is larger wealthier by far than 99% of the countries in the world it stands to reason that they would buy less from us than we purchase from them! Take Vietnam, we bombed them into the stone age for ten years and killed one million Vietnamese. They are small and poverty stricken country thst provides the U.S. most of the natural rubber used by Goodyear and Firestone to make tires yet Trump says Vietnam is ripping us off because they don't buy from us the same amount as we buy from them. A similar situation is Canada, a nation of 40 million people about 1/10 the population as the U.S. and Trump expects each Canadian to buy and consume ten times the "things" as 400 million Americans. It's just not mathematically possible especially when 50% of Canada's exports to the United States oil, natural gas and lumber! WTF is Trump thinking?
Indeed.
Trade imbalance is what makes life in the US good.
To produce the goods that we consume requires the labor of at least a billion people. We send them money, and they send their labor and raw materials upcycled into goods we buy.
If we were to limit ourselves to the labor of those merely legally in the US, we would be devoid of many of the material things that make life in the US good.
Hence, a perpetual "emergency", which Trump can then exploit to do whatever he wants to do.
While everything you say is true — other than using the word "thinking" in the same sentence as Trump — it's important to understand that Trump's tariffs do not even purport to be about trade imbalances. He imposed them on goods from countries with whom we have a trade surplus, too. Trump is just a very stupid person — and this long predates his current dementia; he has felt this way his whole public life — who thinks trade is a competition that one wins or loses, rather than a mutually beneficial exchange.
"Trump is just a very stupid person." There you go again, projecting.
Pro tip: "I know you are but what am I?" stopped being an effective argument after about third grade.
There was no "concurring opinion."
Four judges provided "additional views."
This episode proves that Democrats who controlled both chambers of Congress throughout the entire 1970's wrote a horribly open-ended piece of legislation.
Nope, but nice try. It's not open ended - it's just that the regime is pretending it is.
If Congress hasn't been paying attention to this then they should all be voted out of office.
They need to move a reconciliation bill in the next several weeks that confirms alk the tariff agreements negotiated, and the baseline tariffs. If they want to put a expiration timeline on it then fine.
Congress has the authority, and if they don't let it string out until its a lobbyist feeding frenzy then they can confirm the good, and restrain the excesses.
Looking at the constitution of the Federal Circuit there are no Trump appointments on it. While I didn't look at the appointers of the seven in the majority, the for Trump tariff upholders included two Obama appointees. I presume that they decided not to change their judicial positions depending upon the politics of the executive. If this is true, I salute them.
When this gets to the Supreme Court, and the Justices stick to their positions from their positions on these issues during the Biden administration, I expect a 6-3 majority to uphold the Court of Appeals decision. Somehow I don't think this will happen. It will be interesting to see how the Justices that break ranks justify their about-faces.
It only takes six Republicans who don't want to put their names to bill that confirms billions of dollars in new taxes to kill your idea. Let's hope there are still six that remember they promised not to raise taxes. Let's hope lots of voters remind them.
Although it's impossible right now, Congress *ought* to pass a reconciliation bill that restores all tariffs to their 1/1/25 rates, permanently zeroes out the president's authority to create tariffs or increase rates under *any* law, prohibits representing to any foreign government or its agents that tariffs can be changed except by act of Congress, declares that for legal purposes the new tariffs never were legal and no reasonable person could have ever thought they were legal, orders a full refund for anyone who paid the illegal rates, and (incidentally) states that nothing of value can be required, requested, suggested, or accepted in return for an export permit.
Yes, it's impossible, because of course reconciliation is a way to circumvent the filibuster; it doesn't circumvent a presidential veto.
But as long as we're dreaming, Congress should revoke all existing emergency declarations pursuant to any statute and say that any future such presidential declarations shall automatically expire 60 days after announced — and cannot be extended or re-declared thereafter — unless Congress thereupon votes to confirm them.
Why is Congress obligated to retroactively legalize what Trump is doing?
Because it's a cult.
They need to move a reconciliation bill in the next several weeks that confirms alk the tariff agreements negotiated, and the baseline tariffs
Well, Congress is institutionally stupid, but I doubt they are stupid enough to do what you suggest.
It's a moronic idea.
They used up the reconciliation for this fiscal year, so they need to wait until October - or at least the Senate. AFAIK you can only fast-track one reconciliation bill per fiscal year. (And that's assuming the government hasn't shut down!)
Also, many of the tariff agreements include non-tariff things that are very out of order under the Byrd Rule.
Technically they can do three, but in this case they used up all three in the OBBB.
I do wonder if there's a version of a tariff bill that might pass bipartisan muster. Probably not in our current political moment, but you could imagine some strategic tariffs on China and maybe a few industries where we really want to encourage domestic capacity that traditional Democratic policy priorities would support.
And any Democrat who manages to destroy them can explain how they're going to replace the $30 billion a month that the tariffs are raising.
Speculative possibility only: SC is intentionally slow to reach a decision, and then concludes that from the time Trump announced the tariffs to the time of the decision Congress had had ample time to legislate to rein in Trump's authority and have not done so, hence have implicitly delegated the power to Trump.
I have no doubt that some members of the Court are going to tie themselves in knots to find a way to authorise Trump's actions, ranging from the inconvenience of unwinding and repaying (which is no argument at all), to the idea that the MQD doesn't really apply to emergencies and it is up to the Executive only to decide what's an emergency.
The three liberal justices have it easy - all they need to do is follow the law.
The best course for SCOTUS would be to deny cert. The Federal Circuit has given Congress a roadmap as to how to properly grant Trump the power he says he needs, if Congress so chooses.
Everybody a winner by these getting struck down. The Constitution wins, if Congress wants big tariffs let them vote for them. Trump is saved from his own dumb economic theories tanking the economy. The American people don't have to eat yet another tax.
The American people don't eat the tax. Big corporations do. Why are you an apologist for Wall Street?
Not sure if you are joking or ignorant. Tariffs aren't magic free money, they'll show up in the cost of goods you purchase.
You're another economic ignoramus who thinks that the price of inputs has anything to do with market clearing price.
MC=MR.
Econ 101
Um, are you being serious?
"Corporations" are made up of Americans, who employ other Americans based on business drivers.
Instead, we're taking money from them and giving it to the government to use it far less efficiently.
I guess if you're a fan of statism?
Yeah, you might have an argument if those corporations actually paid their employees. Instead, the profits have gone to shareholders.
If you oppose tariffs, you're a tool of the top 1%.
This is of course the correct ruling. However SOCTUS will over rule. The only question is what type of legal gymnastics will they use to give Trump powers that are not in the law.
Yes. We will find out just how far the toadying to Trump will go.
I think you two are overly traumatized by the immunity decision. It's politically much easier and physically safer for the conservatives to overrule an unconstitutional tax. There aren't a lot of cases in history, US or otherwise, of lynchings by pro-tax mobs.
In the immunity decision they were essentially being asked to say that Trump could be imprisoned, and it was in the back of their mind that either Trump or a Trump-inspired mob might decide that violence was justified to prevent such a thing.
My WAG: the three liberals and two or more conservatives hiding behind an unsigned order declining to take the case.
It's politically much easier and physically safer for the conservatives to overrule an unconstitutional tax.
Yes, but these guys aren't worried about lynch mobs; they are, for some reason, worried that Trump will get angry and say something nasty about them. (Though Alito and Thomas are mostly out to get the libs.)
Ilya was so excited, he didn’t even remember the Read More button. Jennifer is in for a wild two minutes tonight.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-judge-halts-trump-administration-expand-fast-track-deportation-rcna228162
Judge Cobb is a young black woman appointed by Biden. The idea that illegal immigrants have any due process rights is offensive.
These judges are out of control.
Due process rights?!?
Our rights are life, liberty, and property.
Due process is what the Constituion requires the government to use if it wants to take away rights...
The idea that illegal immigrants have any due process rights is offensive.
Blame the FFs. You clearly get offended easily, I note.
BTW do you realise that if you deny any due process to illegal immigrants, you allow for legal immigrants and US citizens to be deported as well, if the government says they're illegals?
Feature, not a bug!
But the illegals being summarily deported are not claiming that they are citizens or otherwise have a legal right to be here. Without even an allegation of a rights violation, the 5th Amendment does not require due process.
Without even an allegation of a rights violation, the 5th Amendment does not require due process.
For everyone, citizen or not, there has to be a claim made. Some "liberty" or whatever is alleged to be unduly denied.
A rights violation is alleged here. From the opinion:
But when it comes to people living in the interior of the country, prioritizing speed over all else will inevitably lead the Government to erroneously remove people via this truncated process. That is because most noncitizens living in the interior have been here longer than two years, rendering them ineligible for expedited removal, and many are seeking asylum or another form of
immigration relief, entitling them to further process before they can be removed.
They are "entitled" -- have a liberty interest -- and it being unduly denied. At least that is the claim.
Other non-citizens, undocumented or otherwise, are raising different claims. They too have due process rights.
Wrong thread.
I don't like illegal immigration and believe we should have a strong border, more consistent enforcement, and fewer asylum style laws which allow for endless abuse.
With that said, and "alleged" illegal immigration should absolutely have some level of due process rights. It just shouldn't drag on once it's proven they're not a citizen.
Well, yes, someone should be allowed to show that they're not illegal. But that's not what these judges mean. They mean the right to claim "asylum," "hardship" or any number of bullshit reasons while they get to stay in the U.S. and drop out mestizo "citizen" children out of their unkempt crotches.
Too bad Trump and his cronies in Congress killed the attempt to fix asylum law and make it harder to be abused.
Judge Jia Cobb is 44/45 years old.
Judge Whitney Hermandorfer, just confirmed, is 37/38.
"Offensive" or not, the Supreme Court has held that "persons" within our borders have due process rights. The precedents for doing so go back over 100 years. A young or old lower court judge is obligated to follow such precedent.
The opinion explains that due process here protects people with a legal right to be here pursuant to the laws in place.
But they’re mestizo people! Surely you can’t expect Poxigah to have to live in a country where brown people have rights too?!
Sorry to hear the US Constitution offends you so.
The opinion has one small mistake: in page 29 it relies on the fact that section 232 is located within title 19, to further support that it is related to duties, and compares that with IEEPA in title 50. But neither title is enacted as positive law; the sections are categorized not by the members of Congress, but the House OLRC, so the categorization cannot be relied upon.
Worth noting in passing that the delay until mid-October portends bad practical results. During that delay would-be importers—such as big box stores piling up Christmas sales inventories—will remain in doubt whether it is wise to order inventory at tariffed prices, when depending on an unpredictable judicial outcome those same goods might suddenly become available at lower non-tariffed prices. A hazard of thinly-stocked shelves at Christmas time looms in prospect.
I had made several comments on prior Somin posts on this issue basically agreeing with Professor Somin but on somewhat different grounds. It looks like the Court of Appeals used a mixture of the two. They agreed with Professor Somin’s point that the Major Questions Doctrine applies. They also agreed with a point I had made that ”regulate” has long meant something distinctly different form “tax.” Their overall holding strikes down President Trump’s tariffs without going so far as ro hold, as Professor Somin would, that the statute does not permit any tariffs at all.
However, the reasoning behind the opinion generally goes fairly far in the direction of Professor Somin’s position. While not saying that Congress can never delegate tarriff-making authority to the President, it tends to suggest that if Congress wants to give the President this authority, it must do all of saying so clearly and explicitly, articulating a policy and/or rules guiding courts in determining whether Comgressional intent is being followed, and setting limits. The IEEPA does none of these things.
Does the MQD apply here? My understanding is that the MQD comes into play when the legislation is ambiguous, and I'm not seeing much in the way of ambiguity here. The law seems abundantly clear - IEEPA does not grant the president the authority to levy tariffs, and Article I says the legislature determines when to impose taxes. Oh, and there's no emergency, but that's unnecessary due to the above.
I had thought the issue could be addresses without the MQD. Perhaps the court is bringing it in as a precaution in case the Supreme Court sees an ambiguity.
Well, yeah, the plaintiffs' attorneys are going to bring whatever arguments they can to bear. MQD and "lack of any emergency" shouldn't be necessary to arrive at the result, but the attorneys would be remiss if they didn't.
In addition, Congress has spoken clearly on tariffs and trade giving the President tariff authority under 232 and other statutes but tariffs are limited to 15% maximum and 150 days unless extended by Congress!
Trade imbalance? WTF! When you consider that the United States is larger wealthier by far than 99% of the countries in the world it stands to reason that they would buy less from us than we purchase from them! Take Vietnam, we bombed them into the stone age for ten years and killed one million Vietnamese. They are small and poverty stricken country thst provides the U.S. most of the natural rubber used by Goodyear and Firestone to make tires yet Trump says Vietnam is ripping us off because they don't buy from us the same amount as we buy from them. A similar situation is Canada, a nation of 40 million people about 1/10 the population as the U.S. and Trump expects each Canadian to buy and consume ten times the "things" as 400 million Americans. It's just not mathematically possible especially when 50% of Canada's exports to the United States oil, natural gas and lumber! WTF is Trump thinking?