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Why the Supreme Court is Highly Unlikely to Overturn Obergefell in the Kim Davis Case
My Cato Institute colleague Walter Olson explains.

Kim Davis, a former Kentucky county clerk who was sued for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples has filed a cert. petition asking the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, the landmark 2015 ruling striking down laws banning same-sex marriage:
Ten years after the Supreme Court extended marriage rights to same-sex couples nationwide, the justices this fall will consider for the first time whether to take up a case that explicitly asks them to overturn that decision.
Kim Davis, the former Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for six days in 2015 after refusing to issue marriage licenses to a gay couple on religious grounds, is appealing a $100,000 jury verdict for emotional damages plus $260,000 for attorneys fees.
In a petition for writ of certiorari filed last month, Davis argues First Amendment protection for free exercise of religion immunizes her from personal liability for the denial of marriage licenses.
More fundamentally, she claims the high court's decision in Obergefell v Hodges -- extending marriage rights for same-sex couples under the 14th Amendment's due process protections -- was "egregiously wrong."
I have been getting media calls about this, and have seen expressions of concern from people worried about it. My Cato Institute colleague Walter Olson has a helpful Facebook post explaining why such fears are likely misguided. I reprint it here, with his permission:
Dozens of friends are freaking out at news reports that Kim Davis, the disgraced Kentucky clerk who has struck out in court up to now, is asking the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell, the same-sex marriage ruling.
I understand why people get upset, but here's why this story doesn't even make it up to number 200 on my list of current worries:
Pretty much anyone with a pulse who's exhausted other avenues can file a certiorari petition and it doesn't mean the Supreme Court will hear the case, let alone agree to revisit one of its most famous modern rulings, let alone resolve it the wrong way.
"People said they weren't going to overturn Roe, then they did."
Court-watchers have known literally for decades that there was a big chance Roe would go. Overturning it was the number one project for much of the legal Right through countless confirmation battles. Thousands of anti-Roe meetings were held and articles published. There is no comparable head of steam on Obergefell, or really any head of steam at all.
"Terrible things are happening and I don't want to be told that I'm overreacting."
I agree that terrible things are happening. Accurately assessing which terrible things have a serious probability of happening soon is essential in directing our energy to where it can do the most good.
"I don't trust the Supreme Court."
You don't have to trust them, but you should practice the most useful skill in Court-watching: counting to five. The anti forces will get Thomas and probably Alito. Roberts was strongly against at the time but has been careful to treat it as legitimate precedent since. Gorsuch usually sides with religious litigants but also wrote Bostock, the most important gay rights decision in years, and Roberts raised eyebrows by joining him. Most people who know Barrett and Kavanaugh believe them to have zero appetite for reopening this issue. Trump isn't pushing for it. Granting cert takes four votes, overturning a case five. I don't see Davis getting up even to three on the question of whether to overturn Obergefell.
Each time I write a version of this prediction I get called rude names, as if I were consciously misleading people for some fell purpose. But as someone with real rights of my own at stake, I'm just trying to give you my honest reading. We'll probably know within three months whether the Court will hear Davis's case and if so on what question presented. Save your anger till then.
Both Walter and I are longtime same-sex marriage supporters, since before it was popular. And, as Walter notes, his stake in this issue goes beyond legal theory (he is a gay man in a same-sex marriage). That doesn't by itself prove us right. But it does mean Walter, at least, cannot easily be accused of downplaying concerns about reversing Obergefell because he doesn't really care about the issue.
In a post on the tenth anniversary of Obergefell, I explained its great benefits, why it reached the right result (even though it should have used different reasoning), and why it is likely to prove durable. Maybe I will be proven wrong on the latter point. But if Obergefell does get overruled, it won't be in the Kim Davis case.
Her case has multiple flaws as a potential vehicle for the Obergefell issue. Among other things, that question is an appendage to a dubious religious-liberty claim, under which Davis claims that government officials have a First Amendment right to refuse to issue marriage licenses to couples they disapprove of on religious grounds. It's worth noting, here, that some people have religious objections to interracial marriages and interfaith marriages, among other possibilities. Does a clerk with religious objections have a constitutional right to refuse to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple or to one involving an intermarriage between a Jew and a Christian? The question answers itself.
The court of appeals rightly rejected Davis' claim on the grounds that "Davis is being held liable for state action, which the First Amendment does not protect—so the Free Exercise Clause cannot shield her from liability. The First Amendment protects 'private conduct,' not 'state action.'"
This is pretty obviously right. In the private sector, I think there often is a First Amendment free speech or religious liberty right to refuse to provide services that facilitate same-sex marriages, as with bakers who refuse to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, website designers who refuse to design a site for such a wedding, and so on. While I have little sympathy for such people's views, they do have constitutional rights to act on them in many situations. And same-sex couples almost always have other options for getting these kinds of services.
Public employees engaged in their official duties are a very different matter. They are not exercising their own rights, but the powers of the state. And the services they provide are often government monopolies to which there is no alternative.
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"Why the Supreme Court is Highly Unlikely to Overturn Obergefell in the Kim Davis Case"
Because they don't really care what the US Constitution says?
Asset forfeiture (4th)
Gun control (2nd)
As a serial adulterer, she must be one of the most egregiously hypocritical plaintiffs of recent years.
Maybe some clerks should start refusing to give licenses to people who have gotten divorced, or just had premarital sex generally. There are religions that think both of those things should be forbidden.
I always thought that Kim Davis used religion as a cover for her bigotry. She is hardly unique in that respect.
Why would anyone pay attention to Kimberly Jean Bailey Wallace Davis McIntyre Davis's opinion as to God's view of marriage?
Technically, for Catholics at least, you can marry after a divorce (I'm not confusing divorce with annulment here) provided your former spouse has died.
I'm not sure how people like Davis would know that someone's prior spouse had died and be able to make that determination, nor do I think any of them actually care since their religion seems to be a justification for acting out on garden-variety bigotry.
No, I think you're right; Obergefell was an illegitimate usurpation of power by the judiciary, where they robbed the people of our power to refuse to ratify constitutional amendments by reading into the 14th amendment the most unpopular consequence the ERA would have had.
But... People have moved on, and in any event the real outrage of Obergefell was the judiciary's usurpation, not the cause they did it in. The damage is done, and revoking Obergefell will not repair it.
Well, in the same question they ask the court to overturn Obergefell, they also ask for substantive due process to be discarded.
As little chance there is to overturn Obergefell, there’s even less of a chance to do away with substantive due process—but, hey, if they grant cert on that question, there’s a chance!
Substantive due process SHOULD be discarded. It's just a work-around to incorporate despite not overturning the Slaugherhouse decision that gutted the P&I clause. All they'd have to do is rule that incorporation is via that clause, instead, and that every right incorporated as substantive due process was presumptively a P&I.
The biggest difference, of course, is that the 14th amendment only guarantees P&I to citizens, not every warm body.
No one was robbed of anything.
The people have the right to amend the constitution just as they always did, including to ban SSM.
Apparently you regard any ruling you dislike that overturns the status quo as robbing the people. That’s nonsense. The status quo can be unconstitutional, even if popular.
What is your principled libertarian objection to SSM, anyway? Do you really imagine that your reading of the constitution is the only one even near to being correct?
If the courts can take amendments we reject, and construe existing parts of the Constitution to impose them anyway, they have indeed robbed us of something: The power to reject amendments.
"What is your principled libertarian objection to SSM, anyway?"
I've already said it: Procedurally, the judiciary wasn't entitled to impose it. I don't have to dislike a policy to conclude that the judiciary are not entitled to impose it.
Really, the only substantive objection I had to SSM being legalized was knowing that it would inevitably lead directly to attacks on the liberty of people who DID oppose it, such as we saw with Masterpiece Cakes and Arlene's Flowers. Today's legal system is not very good at stopping at creating negative rights, they tend to over-reach into creating positive rights that deprive other people of liberty. Like endorsing transgenderism leads to legal penalties for refusing to play along with the joke.
The power to reject amendments.
The power to reject redundant amendments, anyway.
You are still proceeding on the assumption that your reading of the Constitution is indisputably correct.
The ERA was only construed to be redundant by the courts AFTER it was defeated. Construing it to be redundant by finding that the 14th amendment suddenly meant the same thing was just the judiciary's way of 'ratifying' a defeated amendment they approved of.
A ruling the other way in Obergefell would have stopped this transgender nonsense in its infancy. Imagine a ruling from SCOTUS saying that states can limit marriage to opposite sex couples.
Do you think that same court would agree that someone could change their sex (and then be eligible for an otherwise forbidden marriage) simply by declaring that they were the other sex?
Skrmetti would have never been a case. Gender assignment surgery would be a fringe thing only done in California and New York. People who say Obergefell was only about the right of two people to go off and live their lives are incredibly short sighted.
The idea is political hysteria, to rally people alarmed at the pushback over trans "rights". Ironically, trans rights overreach has eroded some political support and the legitimacy of same-sex marriage. It's still not going anywhere.
The Supreme Court is not going to overturn Obergefell because of the grievance of a third party like Kim Davis.
I remain puzzled why the Constitution needed to be further vandalized when civil unions existed as an alternative. I think a major reason for the pullback of SSM support is the gaslighting about trans women being women. It's made some people reflect on what marriage actually was historically. It was not about who you love, but about the possibility of procreation--so there was never any equal protection problem, if the equivalent economic advantages were available in other ways. The relentless trans propaganda really focused the mind about such existential definitional questions.
And I remain puzzled as to how those who claim to have no objection to civil unions can oppose SSM.
I am also puzzled as to how the Constitution was “vandalized.”
Are you similarly puzzled by those who advocated for SSM even if civil unions were available?
I would note that when those opposed to SSM had the opportunity to push for civil unions as an alternative, they opposed those civil unions as well. I think that many, certainly not all, of today's opponents to SSM really want to go back to a time when homosexuality itself was illegal.
OK, a thought experiment. Suppose that the churches that opposed same sex marriage on religious grounds were to be told, "Going forward, we're not calling you churches. You will only be called a church if you are a liberal church, because we want that word only used for people we like and agree with. You still have your tax exempt status and in practice will continue on as you always have; only the name will be different. Going forward, the government will consider you Groups That Meet on Sunday.
Do you think the churches would agree to that? Do you think they would find compelling the argument that it's only a word and as long as they have the same legal protections, the name doesn't matter?
Of course they wouldn't. All hell would break loose. Because the only reason *not* to give them the word would be to make them second class citizens and insult them.
Spend a few minutes thinking that through and you'll understand why civil unions weren't an acceptable alternative for gay couples. The only reason for them to not have the word was to insult and demean them and publicly declare them second class citizens. And publicly insulting people because other people don't like them is not a legitimate government function.
The civil union is what gay people got from Obergefell. They got the tax deduction, but not marriage.
"The civil union is what gay people got from Obergefell. They got the tax deduction, but not marriage."
Riddle me this. If same sex couples who have wed since Obergefell are not married, then why is it necessary for the to sue for divorce in order to dissolve such a union?
Not sure we are in disagreement. I have always favored marriage over alternative arrangements simply because it was easier to allow SSM than to create a whole new legal status. My point here is that I think that for people like Kim Davis the objection is to homosexuality rather than to SSM. Opposition to SSM is used as a hook to reel in people who don't have strong feelings about homosexuality but can be easily persuaded.
The problem with your argument is that it treats imposing a new definition for a word as the same as keeping the definition the same. So objecting to changing the definition of "marriage" is treated as equivalent to objecting to the definition of "church" being changed.
In both cases, though, the same side wants the same thing: The existing definitions of words retained.
So you would have us believe that the objections to SSM are simply pedantic objections to changing a definition? What nonsense.
Do they scour dictionaries to make sure no definitions are ever changed, and that they all conform to one another?
Among other things, if the law changes, definitions sometimes change with it.
Except that language evolves and words change their meaning all the time. Read Shakespeare, or the King James Version of the Bible, or any 19th century novel, and you'll find any number of words whose meanings have changed.
So the real question is this: Why is it that *this particular word* is not allowed to evolve in meaning when every other word in the English language can? Words essentially mean whatever there is a consensus that they mean; there is no metaphysical dictionary that defines words for all time.
Sometimes language evolves, but not in law, where you need to interpret laws with the meanings the words had at the time the law was drafted; Dictionary writers aren't entitled to amend laws.
This wasn't the meaning of marriage evolving, though. That makes it sound spontaneous and natural. It was a new meaning being deliberately imposed on a population who were still using the word in its original meaning, and fought the change with every instrument available to them.
Brett, Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U.S. 644 (2015), decided on June 26, 2015, did not "change the definition of marriage" one whit. To claim that it did so is a Big Lie, repeated incessantly in the hope it will take hold in Joseph Goebbels fashion by sheer humbug.
The rights, duties and obligations of marriage remained the same before and after the decision. The decision disqualified no one from marrying. Every dyad who was eligible to marry on June 25, 2015 remained eligible to marry on June 27, 2015.
This is pure Orwell. From antiquity until the late 20th century the term marriage required opposite sex partners as the very definition of the word. The idea of "same sex marriage" was a completely new invention.
Now maybe that's a good thing to update with the times. But to say that there was no redefinition is absolutely absurd. It was a sea change.
Of course not. Civil Unions were, be definition, not equal to marriage. We understand, from our history, that separate but equal isn't ever equal and civil unions, even in largely liberal states like California were not legally equal. So why would anyone be puzzled by same-sex couples eschewing a less-than-equal status over a far simpler extension of an existing one?
Not at all.
"I remain puzzled why the Constitution needed to be further vandalized when civil unions existed as an alternative."
State marriages are "civil unions." They are unions authorized by the government. Before the opinion, a person could go to a church and have a priest or rabbi or whomever "marry" them in a private ceremony. The "right to marry" here is a state institution.
Few states, however, provided "civil unions" as an alternative. Some had constitutional amendments (suppose many still do) that blocked even marriage-like same sex civil unions.
I thought maybe Roberts would concur in part to acknowledge that at least some rights for same sex couples were constitutionally required. I was surprised he so passionately opposed the opinion. He is not a Thomas/Scalia stickler for "originalism" etc.
As to the OP, I have seen multiple liberal legal minds, including Steve Vladeck, Mark Joseph Stern (gay/married to a man/has son), and Anthony Michael Kreis (gay law professor) agree.
At least to the degree that this lawsuit is unlikely to be used. SCOTUS will harm the rights of LGBTQ people, as it did last term, in various other ways. Those are things people should focus on the most. Plus, thanks to the Respect for Marriage Act.
The term "civil union" has various meanings, yes, and one problem is that the legally recognized "civil unions" were not legally equal to state-authorized marriages.
They were "skim milk" marriages.
But, even in that respect, same sex couples often were not able to get state civil unions. They didn't even get second-class citizenship.
I would point out that you are correct, in 2006 Wisconsin voters approved a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a women. At the time forces supporting the amendment assured that public that it only applied to marriage. After passage they same forces now said the amendment applies to marriage and anything marriage like.
I'm so old I remember:
"Right wingers are claiming that gay rights will lead to gay marriage - how ridiculous!"
"Right wingers are claiming that gay rights will lead to gay men adopting babies - how stupid can they be?"
"Right wingers are claiming that gay rights will lead to gay teachers talking to young kids about sex - no one wants that. These people are crazy!"
Also lead to 6th grade "boys" using female restrooms and playing girls sports. I have never cared if gays want to be happy like straight folks and get married/s. However it did bring us to this point and it will be hard to reverse despite recent victory's. I am pretty weak for my age due to a shit ton of accidents at high speed, but I will still win 95%+ fights against women my age and around my weight. Oddly Trans Men refuse to play in the men's division, I wonder why.
Bans on steroid use would be one reason. Another would be the fact that average height for a woman is 5'3", which isn't the normal stature of athletes of any gender-segregated professional sport. Trans men don't gain height post-transition.
But hey, glad to know you're confident in your ability to beat up women. That's totally a thing to be proud of.
What was "ridiculous" was that even receiving basic rights, including not being arrested for going to a club, would bring up fears of gay marriage. Some were willing to think about equal rights.
At first, you don't lead with that. Not being beaten up for sitting up front on a bus is promoted first without talking about marriage.
It took decades of respect for gay people and gay rights before the Supreme Court recognized the right to marry. It was a bit "ridiculous" (a few did talk about it & even brought lawsuits) to raise such claims in the 1970s and 1980s.
Over time, it was less ridiculous, the early supporters of true equality becoming prophets. The last thing doesn't really follow from the rest unless non-gay people are talking about that.
I'm not sure what that means. Teachers do read storybooks about princesses marrying and having children now, if that is what you are talking about. They talk about sex roles and stuff like that in that sense. If that is what "sex" means.
If non-gay teachers do that, gay teachers can too. And, if Cindy can marry her prince, a fairy book about Cindy marrying a princess should be okay, too.
I remember all of that. We were mocked for suggesting that the goal was marriage, adoption, and teaching in school. Mocked.
We were told that gay people just wanted to live in peace and not get beat up. Because we suggested such outrageous things just showed how out of touch we were with the issue. Nobody, we were told, wanted gay marriage, gay adoption, or gays teaching your kids. Everyone agreed that was too far.
The slippery slope is not a fallacy.
And that horrible "slippery slope" has led to...what, exactly? The dreadful spectre of gay people living together in legal unions, with virtually no effect on marriage or procreation? And don't tell me about declining birth rates. You cannot pin that on same-sex marriage. OTOH, here's a real "slippery slope" for you--Republicans angling to ban birth control.
It does not matter if you are a same sex marriage supporter or not. It only matters that the phantom right dos not exist in the Constitution. This means individual states should regulate same sex marriage which is exactly the state of affairs before the deeply flawed Obergefell decision. Judges legislating from the bench instead of following the law is the definition of judicial tyranny.
For the record, I support same sex marriage, but that has only political ramifications not legal ones.
It only matters that the phantom right dos not exist in the Constitution.
Even that doesn't matter. There are, after all, unenumerated rights - including the right to marry.
You haven't thought this through. Even if you go with an argument based on federalism, there is still the issue of the Federal government providing rights to mixed-sex couples that it doesn't provide to same-sex couples. So, for a gay man who wants to marry the man of his dreams, he's the wrong sex just like in Loving v Virginia, Mrs Loving was the wrong race. Post Civil Rights Act, the federal government couldn't legally do that and it had to recognize same-sex marriages legally performed in the states. The farthest your argument gets you is that a state might not issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples (itself dubious under the Civil Rights Act) but would be required to provide "full faith and credit" to people legally married in other states.
Law and politics are the same coin.
I hope you'll accept this as an honest question and not an attempt at gotcha.
Should and does the 14th Amendment allow for polygamy?
Mr. Bumble, if you can find two or more partners foolish enough to want to marry you, then go down to your federal courthouse, pay the $405 filing fee, and develop an evidentiary record indicating that your state's ban on polygamy deprives you and your would be spouses equal protection of the laws.
Same sex marriage is protected by 14A Equal protection under the law. Not complicated.
Funny how something so "obvious" went unrecognized for 146 years - including by all the people who actually wrote and then ratified the 14th Amendment.
Even though I ultimately approve of the result, shoehorning that principle into the 14A was anything but "not complicated".
Would you accept adding "Given what we've learned about the nature of homosexuality" to the front of MollyGodiva's statement?
I don't know how complicated it is to suggest that freedom of speech still applies to radio, telephone, and the internet despite the people who actually wrote and then ratified the 1st Amendment wouldn't have considered those forms of communication at the time. Nor did the authors of the 2nd Amendment consider nuclear missiles when they were authoring that piece of the Bill of Rights. Knowledge changes things but the basic principles of these amendments should still apply. That doesn't seem complicated to me.
The nature of homosexuality is not something newly discovered - it was understood at least as far back as the ancient Romans and Greeks. So I don't think your analogy works.
Again, I like the outcome, I just don't think that forcing it in through the 14th Amendment was a particularly good fit.
Same thing with 2A individual right to a gun. That went unrecognized for even longer.
No, that right was recognized for most of the history of the country. It was only unrecognized for a comparatively brief period starting in about the Wilson administration.
SSM protected under the equal protection clause is a gross distortion of the meaning of equal protection and all of 14A.
I was in favor of ssm statutes since the late 1980's due to aids crisis and the need to protect each partners rights.
Amazing how all the opponents of SSM were wildly in favor of it.
Wonder why the issue was used to frighten conservatives.
Of course the real issue is that historically, (before left wing gaslighting) marriage was a religious institution, regardless of the number of individuals involved or their sex.
So government intervention in any marriage violates the first amendment.
Nonsense. Marriage has served numerous purposes throughout the ages, from property rights to political alliances. There is and never has been anything "sacred" about marriage except in the eyes of some religious sects. Most societies have viewed it as a strictly legal matter.
Support for regulation in a given sphere often shifts depending on the pragmatism needed to achieve the goal even when that means abandoning otherwise consistent principles about which level of government should decide.
There’s at least one major issue in the headlines right now where the Constitution is completely silent on the federal government’s role.
One can only hope they will. Do we need 50 plus years of this unconstitutional nonsense?
Roe v Wade took 50 years. Obergefell may also.
Since we have seen a spate of articles about the use or misuse of AI, I decided to give it a try with the Kim Davis petition. I asked if the case could be used by SCOTUS to achieve something I know will not happen: eliminating the state licensing of marriages. For fun, here is what it said:
Step 1: Religious Exemption Ruling
SCOTUS grants Kim Davis relief on the basis that her First Amendment rights protect her from being forced to issue same-sex marriage licenses.
The Court frames this as a narrow, individual exemption: a state cannot compel a public official to act in violation of sincere religious beliefs.
Step 2: Establishing a Principle of Limited State Authority
In the majority opinion, the Court emphasizes that marriage is a fundamental private contract between consenting adults.
The opinion could suggest that state involvement in authorizing marriages is not constitutionally required, only recognition of legally valid unions for civil purposes.
Step 3: Extension to Licensing Requirements
Future litigants cite the Kim Davis precedent to argue that requiring a government license to validate a marriage infringes on liberty and religious freedom.
The argument: if the state cannot force officials to issue licenses that violate their beliefs, perhaps the state should not be able to control the issuance of licenses at all.
Step 4: Expansion to Broader Liberty/Contract Theory
Courts could adopt a liberty-based approach, emphasizing that private adults have a constitutional right to form binding marital relationships without state approval.
State recognition could still exist for legal purposes (taxation, inheritance, benefits), but state-issued licenses would become optional, akin to a notarized civil contract rather than a precondition for marriage.
Step 5: Potential SCOTUS Takeaway
While highly unlikely, SCOTUS could theoretically rule that:
No state may compel individuals or officials to act against their beliefs regarding marriage.
Marriage is primarily a private contract, and state licensing is discretionary.
States may recognize marriages for civil purposes but cannot monopolize the authority to “create” marriages.
Practical Considerations
Such a ruling would be unprecedented and politically explosive.
It would likely prompt additional litigation to clarify:
What constitutes valid marriage without a license?
How states recognize these unions for civil benefits?
Courts would have to reconcile private liberty rights with state interests in regulating family law.
No. A government official can not refuse to due their duty because is their religion. She is acting as part of the government and must respect the rights of all.
Kimberly Jean Bailey Wallace Davis McIntyre Davis is a self-proclaimed Christian. The Apostle Paul wrote to the church at Thessalonica in the first century C.E.: "For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: If any one will not work, let him not eat." II Thessalonians 3:10 (RSV). As Tennessee's late Governor Ned McWherter was fond of telling recalcitrant state legislators, "If you didn't want to work, you shouldn't have hired out."
If Ms. Davis (who doesn't appear to have missed many meals) didn't want to issue marriage licenses, she shouldn't have stood for election as County Clerk.
I don't see SCOTUS overturning Obergefell but I could see them overturning this Davis decision. Refusing to do your job is usually remediated by firing the person (or impeaching if the job is elected). Putting her in jail and fining her into bankruptcy seems like an overreach.
Amy Howe has an interesting discussion:
https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/08/will-the-supreme-court-revisit-its-ruling-on-same-sex-marriage/
It would not surprise me if someone writes a dissent if they deny cert. There was a way to just let this case go away, & at least one justice didn't want that.
If the Court wants to find for Ms. Davis, it can easily do so without entertaining any reconsideration of Obergefelle. And just as I said in Dobbs, the Court should not consider overturning a precedent if it can decide the case before it without doing so.
I do think the case against Ms. Davis was wrongly decided. She recused herself. But lots of government officials who strongly oppose a policy or law recuse themselves. Judges strongly opposed to the death penalty or abortion have recused themselves from death penalty and abortion cases or cases. Attorneys general strongly opposed to state laws sometimes recuse themselves from defending them. This happened, for example, with North Carolina’s sodomy law in the 1979 Supreme Court case of Poe v. North Carolina. It was defended (successfully) by a special assistant attorney general.
Nobody is entitled to a marriage license personally signed by the county clerk. A marriage license signed by a deputy clerk causes no legally material harm.
Moreover, even if her religion claim fails, I think Ms. Clark was at least entitled to qualified immunity. The whole issue was new.
I don’t think Ms. Clark’s religious beliefs are sufficient to give her a personal stake in the legality or constitutionality of gay marriage itself. Her judgment against her obviously gives her standing in her own case. But if she gets relief on that, she has no personal stake in or standing to contest the underlying constitutional issues regarding gay marriage itself.
If people want to contest Obergefell, they will have to persuade a state legislature to pass a law restricting gay marriage and wait for that law to be challenged in court, as occurred with Roe in Dobbs. And as happened in Dobbs, they probably won’t have to wait too long.
Davis was preventing her deputies from also signing the licenses. Her agreement, in exchange for release from jail, was to stop preventing her deputies from fulfilling those duties, which they had begun to do during her five days in jail.
Whether someone can sue for emotional distress over not being issued a marriage license is a matter of state law, not for SCOTUS. Davis has proffered three arguments that SCOTUS can weigh in on: 1) Free Exercise, 2) qualified immunity, 3) overturn Obergefell.
"Whether someone can sue for emotional distress over not being issued a marriage license is a matter of state law, not for SCOTUS."
Uh, the gravamen of the complaint for damages here was not a claim for infliction of emotional distress under Kentucky law, it was an action for deprivation of due process and equal protection rights secured by the Fourteenth Amendment, § 1, brought pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983.
How could Davis benefit from qualified immunity when Obergefell clearly established the law respecting same sex marriage? It's one thing to hold that a district court decision does not clearly establish law, or even that out of circuit court of appeals decisions do not clearly establish law, but it is too late in the day that began in Marbury v. Madison to argue that SCOTUS decisions do not clearly establish law. Davis knew what the law was and chose to ignore it.
Section 1983 has been a statute for 150 years and creates a civil remedy for damages (not fines despite an earlier post to the contrary). She lost and should pay up and go back to the obscurity she so richly deserves.
I stand corrected that this is a federal case. But, Davis did not include her pervious argument in the cert petition (rejected by the circuit court because it was only included in a reply brief) that the evidence did not support the jury's verdict.
Overturning it [Roe] was the number one project for much of the legal Right through countless confirmation battles.
It should be noted exactly how many of the justices in the Dobbs majority were up front about their willingness to overturn Roe (or rather their intention to overturn it, if you're as cynical about it as I am). I'll give you a hint about what number that is: It is one less than the loneliest number.
Stating, correctly, that being willing to overturn Roe has been a litmus test for every Republican SCOTUS nominee after Souter, just as much as upholding it has been for Democratic nominees, is hardly worth mentioning. I can't imagine that anyone on either side of the aisle really believes differently.
And this is why the Court, and the judiciary more broadly, has lost so much credibility as a supposedly non-political institution. We watch the confirmation hearings and see the nominees answer questions, under oath, in ways that none of us believe are sincere. Yet, we are still supposed to respect them and believe that they rule based on law instead of politics, personal beliefs, and ideology?
Walter Olsen has no law degree, so maybe that is why he doesn't even hedge or show any reluctance to describe the judicial confirmation process in a way that lines up perfectly with the belief that it is nothing but political theater. We don't have judges, we have politicians in robes. Some of these politicians get somewhat close to the ideal of being unbiased jurists, but they are increasingly the exception, and not the rule. And we don't have any like that on the Supreme Court.
I'm wondering how (not happening) if Obergefell is overturned that helps Davis. She still did what she did during a time when the gay couples had a right to receive the marriage licenses and had on point SCOTUS law to back it up.
I didn't think you could immunize yourself from lawlessness by advocating for a change in the law afterwards.
"I'm wondering how (not happening) if Obergefell is overturned that helps Davis."
It would wipe out the award against her for damages and attorney fees.
"We don't have judges, we have politicians in robes."
We used to have them in another form -- a lot more former politicians became justices. Some continued to campaign on the bench. When were justices truly "unbiased"?
These hearings are a modern-day phenomenon. Hearings have long been, in a large sense, political theater. Hearings can provide a means to get some sense about a nominee.
They often are, to some degree, sincere. It's clearly partially a game. A trial is often carefully scripted. A hearing surely is. And, the lack of sincerity, to the degree it's there, is on both sides, including on the side of the questioner.
The usual line is that they cannot comment on pending matters. Kagan wrote an article saying nominees can say more. She changed her tune when she was a nominee.
Everyone knew Alito was on one side & Sotomayor on the other. Except for Collins with Kavanaugh, apparently. It is silly to focus on that as a symbol of the people being cynical. It's like saying some politician using the usual blarney on the campaign trail means all politicians lie about everything. Need to have a sense of scale.