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Trump v. The Wall Street Journal
Trial of the Century! See the Billionaire Media Titans Wrestling in the Mud! Coming to your screens this Fall!
It is, I suppose, an illustration of just how diminished and even sordid our political life has become these days that L'Affaire Epstein is the hot political show of the summer. But there it is. We'll see if it has legs for an extended run into the new fall season.
Here's what we know: Media megastar and ex-"Apprentice" co-producer and host Donald Trump has sued media megamogul Rupert Murdoch and The Wall Street Journal for defamation in federal district court [SD FL]. [The Complaint is available here] The suit is based on a front-page WSJ story asserting that a "letter bearing Trump's name" appeared in a 2003 birthday album celebrating Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday. The story described the letter this way:
"The letter bearing Trump's name, which was reviewed by the Journal, is bawdy—like others in the album. It contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker. A pair of small arcs denotes the woman's breasts, and the future president's signature is a squiggly "Donald" below her waist, mimicking pubic hair. The letter concludes: "Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret."
Trump says that there is no such letter. The Complaint states:
"[Defendants] falsely claimed that [Trump] authored, drew, and signed a card to wish the late—and utterly disgraced—Jeffrey Epstein a happy fiftieth birthday. . . . [N]o authentic letter or drawing exists. Defendants concocted this story to malign President Trump's character and integrity and deceptively portray him in a false light. . . . [T]he supposed letter is a fake and the Defendants knew it when they chose to deliberately defame President Trump." [emph. added]
Needless to say, I haven't the faintest idea whether the letter does or does not exist. If it does, though, Trump would surely know that it does, and, knowing that, he'd be an absolute madman to file this suit. That makes me think there's no such letter. On the other hand, surely the editors at the WSJ, a newspaper not known for manufacturing fake news, knew that the article was a potential bombshell, and would have taken extra-special precautions to ensure that all facts stated therein were true. That makes me think there is such a letter.
My strong suspicion is that the Journal will be able to produce a salacious letter "bearing Trump's name" – it is inconceivable that the Journal would have proceeded if such a thing did not actually exist - and that Trump will deny authorship or any knowledge of it. His defamation claim will require him to show not only that the letter in the Journal's possession is a fake, but also that the WSJ's investigation of the letter's provenance was inadequate, amounting to a "reckless indifference" to whether or not it was a fake.
The history of high-profile defamation lawsuits is littered with the carcasses of plaintiffs who ended up deeply regretting their decision to sue, from, most famously, Oscar Wilde[1]to Teddy Roosevelt[2] and James Whistler[3] and Henry Ford[4] to Jerry Falwell[5] and Johnny Depp[6]. Not only do these lawsuits often bring unwanted and intense media scrutiny to the allegations that otherwise might have gone completely unnoticed,[7] but because truth is a defense to a defamation claim, the lawsuit exposes to public view whatever evidence the defendant might uncover relevant to the challenged claims, which can expose an enormous amount of the plaintiff's dirty underwear to public view.
Harry Litman over at the New Republic thinks Trump's name is going to be added to this list, and, personally, I hope he's correct (though Trump has defied these kinds of expectations many, many times in the past). One can certainly imagine any number of ways a trial could backfire – bringing to light more information about the letter, the reasons why the WSJ concluded it came from Trump, and, more generally, the close relationship between Trump and Epstein.[8]
Trump, of course, famously said that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York and not lose any supporters, and so far there has been nothing to contradict that. But participating in a billionaire's underage girls sex ring – IF the evidence reveals such a participation – might well be the bridge too far for many of his supporters. One would certainly hope so, for the good of the Republic.
I cannot wait to see how this plays out. This is sure to be Must-See TV. My only fear is that the Journal is pressured into settling the claim. So bad for ratings!
[1] Wilde – far and away the most successful author in Europe and quite possibly the world at the time – sued the Marquess of Queensberry for having publicly called him a "posing Somdomite" [sic]. Because truth is a defense to a defamatory libel charge, Queensberry was allowed to introduce a large trove of evidence concerning Wilde's eccentric sexual proclivities, which ultimately led to Wilde's arrest, conviction, and imprisonment on charges of sodomy and gross indecency. It ruined both his career and his life; he died, impoverished and in exile, three years after his release from prison – but not before writing "De Profundis," his remarkable and moving confessional. [See here]
[2]In 1903, TR ordered his Attorney General to institute criminal proceedings against the New York World newspaper for "seditious libel against the government of the United States" for having suggested in several articles that corruption and bribery had tainted Roosevelt's actions in connection with the building of the Panama Canal. The courts – including, ultimately, the Supreme Court – dismissed the indictment on the grounds that there was no statutory authority for a criminal action of this kind. It was an embarrassing defeat for Roosevelt, and was widely viewed as an unprecedented and unwarranted attack on the freedom of the press - as one contemporary history of the affair (still in print here) put it: "The Attempt Of President Roosevelt By Executive Usurpation To Destroy The Freedom Of The Press In The United States."
[3] The well-known American painter James Whistler sued art critic John Ruskin for libel for having written, in reference to one of Whistler's paintings, "I never expected to hear a coxcomb ask two hundred guineas for flinging a pot of paint in the public's face." He won – and was, humiliatingly, awarded jury damages of one farthing.
[4] In 1916 Ford warned employees that they would lose their jobs if they volunteered for National Guard duty in order to participate in a border war with Mexico. Robert McCormick wrote an editorial in the Chicago Tribune complaining of "flivver patriotism," and averred that the policy demonstrated that Ford was "an ignorant idealist [and] an anarchist enemy of the nation which protects his wealth." Ford sued, and testified for nine days at the trial, which revealed that he was something of an ignoramus. He won the case, and was awarded a judgment of six cents (after having spent over $100,000 in 1916 dollars to prosecute the suit).
[5] Rev. Jerry Falwell sued Hustler magazine for publishing an advertisement "parody" which, among other things, portrayed Falwell as having engaged in a drunken incestuous rendezvous with his mother in an outhouse. Falwell lost on both his libel claim and his intentional infliction of emotional distress claim after reaching the Supreme Court, which held that "the interest of protecting free speech, under the First Amendment, surpassed the state's interest in protecting public figures from patently offensive speech, so long as such speech could not reasonably be construed to state actual facts about its subject." The suit, of course, brought a great deal of public attention to the parody which would almost certainly have been ignored had Falwell let it die a natural death.
[6] Johnny Depp sued The Sun newspaper (U.K) for defamation after they called him a "wife-beater" in an article. Amber Heard, Depp's ex-wife, was a key witness in the case, and their tumultuous relationship became the subject of intense media scrutiny. The UK court found that Depp had indeed committed acts of violence against Heard, a finding that greatly injured Depp's reputation and career.
[7] This is a close relative of the well-known "Streisand Effect," a reference to Barbra Streisand's 2003 lawsuit against the photographer Kenneth Adelman. Adelman had taken an aerial photo of Streisand's house as part of a project on documenting coastal erosion. Streisand claimed that publication of the photo on Adelman's website was an invasion of her privacy. The photo, which had been downloaded fewer than 10 times prior to her filing, immediately went viral and was seen by millions of viewers who would surely otherwise have been unaware of its existence.
[8] On the other hand, maybe this is all a huge Murdoch-Trump set-up designed to enhance Trump's standing when the Journal backs down. Maybe that's what JD Vance was talking to the Murdochs about back in June . . .
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But participating in a billionaire's underage girls sex ring – IF the evidence reveals such a participation – might well be the bridge too far for many of his supporters.
1. It depends how underage. No cultist here would regard it as a bridge too far if the girls were 16 and physically at least somewhat developed.
2. Most of the cultists here and elsewhere would flatly reject the evidence of such participation if the girls were younger still.
Their absence from this thread shows the response is still being coordinated. The dummies in the base are convinced. It’s those damn critical thinkers they need to corral.
I predict:
1. Rationalization (Clinton, Gates, etc. did it too!)
2. Lawfare! (Doesn’t matter if it’s Trump’s suit)
3. Librul media strikes again! (Nevermind its WSJ)
4. TDS!
5. Bait/switch - what even *are* files anyway? What’s in a name? So what if “Trump” was in a “file.”
6. Misdirection back to “on message:” let’s talk about how the brown and trans caused this moral debauchery ON THE PERIPHERY OF WHICH Saint Donald found himself. He’s deporting the guilty as we speak! What did Biden do?
When they show up, it will be in force and doubleplus angrystupid.
Would a story be pursued or published if Trump were not President? If not, then it is a personal attack for partisan political purposes. Personal attack commits the Fallacy of Irrelevance.
People doing that are liars. They are nitpicking small infractions. Their purpose is to overthrow an election. The newspaper should not be sued for defamation. It should be prosecuted for criminal perjury. As with others like them, they should pay all legal costs as well.
Would a story be pursued or published if Trump were not President?
Uh, yeah? He's been a public figure that seeks attention for around 50 years now. His gig hosting The Apprentice would have been enough to make it news alone.
Would get as much attention? Of course not, but that wasn't your question.
That isn't what the irrelevance fallacy is. Funny, though, how cultists like you may deplore personal attacks on Trump but have no problem when Trump himself makes personal attacks.
People doing that are liars.
No. They may be disreputable - in your eyes - but an attack can be both personal and factual.
Do you regard Gabbard's attack on Obama as "personal". btw? IT surely can't be political as he no longer has any political status.
Rupert Murdoch can spend his remaining years commiserating with Dan Rather.
"Needless to say, I haven't the faintest idea whether the letter does or does not exist. If it does, though, Trump would surely know that it does, and, knowing that, he'd be an absolute madman to file this suit."
I think there's a good chance it does exist and Trump is trying to get Murdock to withdraw it. Trump's shown he will launch lawsuit after lawsuit regardless of the merits, and has his usual amateur hour lawyers on top of this one.
Poor commie. Do you mean the suits the lying media corps keep settling rather than face discovery? Some standard for meritless you got there retard.
I dunno, Dominion and Jean Carroll don't seem to be settling for less than what they were awarded.
"On the other hand, surely the editors at the WSJ, a newspaper not known for manufacturing fake news, knew that the article was a potential bombshell, and would have taken extra-special precautions to ensure that all facts stated therein were true. That makes me think there is such a letter."
Inconceivable!
Mr. Post has cleverly slipped in an allusion to classic Princess Bride dialog in the battle of wits between the Sicilian and the Man in Black.
"he'd be an absolute madman to file this suit."
No way someone could be that naïve or clueless. Oh wait, we are talking about a law professor here.
I feel like the writers at Volokh are getting dumber.
You're not alone!
“ If it does, though, Trump would surely know that it does Trump would surely know that it does.”
Would he? He’s a 79 year old serial fabulist who has told so many lies about himself that I wouldn’t be surprised if he believes several of them actually happened to him at this point. Further, there’s no denying the true stuff is so filled with celebrities and powerful rich people that he might actually not remember tossing off a doodle card (or instructing someone to do so) to a particular rich guy in 2003. He truly might have no idea he did this.
It seems very likely that he doesn't really know. I suspect that like Biden we are going to see a book come out in the future that exposes how much the staff is covering for Trump's failing health and mind.
Maxwell probably knows. That will suffice.
Fortunately, Trump arranged yesterday for her to say what he needed her to say.
True, but that (buying her cooperation) will cost him dearly.
Several pundits (Smerconish, for example) have opined that the Donald/Jefferey dialogue component of the birthday card doesn't seem to contain language that Trump would use.
Maybe. But what is very Trump-like is making someone else's birthday about himself. Maybe some more conclusive evidence will emerge during discovery/deposition.
You just described almost every public stutterance (it's a combination of Stuttering and Utterance) of Barak Hussein Osama, I mean Obama (Peace be upon Him)
Are you as jealous of President Obama as Trump is? You seem to want to project Trump worst qualities on Barrack Obama, any reason why?
Ah yes, the "Trump is so ignorant he has never used the word 'enigma'" defense.
Too bad there's video receipts from the campaign trail, as compiled by Jon Stewart: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1312162893818276
Start at 0:55 if you want the TL,DR.
Spot on comment: "It is a little troubling to me that Team Trump's talking points are 'he doesn't even know that word!' or 'he can't draw!' and not 'why would anyone think he would write a creepy letter to a pedophile?' I guess that's because Trump bragged about busting into the dressing rooms at Miss Universe contests. And was accused of busting into the dressing room at Miss Teen USA pageants. And told a couple of 14 year olds he'd be dating them in two years."
Followed by the live audio of Trump saying he has no age limit, then back-pedaling to 12 year olds would be going too far.
And a reminder for the MAGAbots: it's not "fake news" if it's literally footage of Trump talking.
On the other hand, here in the USA, Johnny Depp sued Amber Heard for defamation and was awarded $10 million in compensatory damages by the jury. (Heard countersued and won $2 million in compensatory for her defamation claim.) So, it's a bit less clear how Depp's litigiousness affected his rep.
His career was already slowing ten years before the suit and six years before the allegations.
It's mostly a sign that his star power mattered more to the jury in the U.S. than to a UK judge.
This lawsuit is not real. It is just another vehicle to bribe Trump.
Indeed. and he can pull the plug at any convenient time.
At some point, Trump may be declared a vexatious litigant, but he's 79 years old and various parties keep bending over for him, so there's probably not enough time for that to ever happen.
Trump is not a vexatious litigant if people keep settling. That validates the merit of a case.
Trump has found a new way to make money from lawfare for elected officials. The settlement as a conduit for a bribe in the $millions.
If the scumbag lawyer profession could be corrected, all parties would be prosecuted for criminal perjury, including Trump. His lawsuit is a sworn statement but fake. They would be arrested, tried, and placed in gen pop, as anyone else stealing $millions would be.
The lawyer profession is not stupid. It is evil. It must be cancelled. To deter.
The judge who approves this brazen settlement for an outside quid pro quo should be arrested for collusion in a bribe scheme.
Again, there's that fake law degree speaking! Judges do not approve settlements, except in a few situations not applicable here. (Class actions, cases involving minors, cases brought under the FLSA.) Settlements are private agreements among the parties.
Have you considered suing your mail order diploma mill unaccredited law school for educational malpractice? A lawsuit is not a sworn statement. (Although one can file a verified complaint, it's rarely done and was not done here.)
Trump just needs to find a leverage point against Murdoch and his business interests. As President, he has plenty of tools at his disposal to make Murdoch experience financial pain. The best way to stop that pain, as other companies have shown, is to settle with Trump out of court.
As such, my prediction is that this case is ultimately settled out of court with a lump sum of money from Murdoch to Trump.
“The best way to stop that pain, as other companies have shown, is to settle with Trump out of court.”
Really? Would you characterize Paul Weiss as having “stopped the pain”? Trump started changing the terms of their “deal” almost immediately. And that was before the partner exodus.
The best way to “stop the pain” is to tell Trump to pound sand. Which is the way to deal with all bullies since time immemorial. Paying protection racket money is never a one time thing!
Columbia is about to lean this lesson.
Yes, Skadden has had the same problem.
Perhaps it is "the best, but most shortsighted way to stop the pain"...
“he'd be an absolute madman to file this suit. That makes me think there's no such letter.”
LOLOLOLOL. David Post couldn’t possible imagine Trump ever acting mentally unstable.
cannpro: "LOLOLOLOL. David Post couldn’t possible imagine Trump ever acting mentally unstable."
Jeez, you get on my case when I assume that Trump is acting mentally unstable (common) AND when I assume that he's not (rare). Doesn't seem fair. 🙂
I didn't think Trump should have won against CBS, but he settled for 60 mil. Fox settled its Dominion lawsuit for 787 million. I wasn't convinced about that one either.
This will never go to trial. Trump will settle for 100 mil or so.
I think WSJ got taken in by a fake letter. I think if there were such a letter, we would have already heard about it in 2016 or 2024. I think it will be hard to prove its a fake though, unless whoever made it confesses.
That number appears to be fiction. It was $16 million. Trump has tried — in Trump's Darth Vader like fashion — to alter the deal, claiming that CBS also agreed to air $20 million worth of pro-Trump PSAs. CBS disputes this, but either way, 16+20 != 60.
6, 16, 36, 60, does not change the fact that I don't think Trump should have won the lawsuit at all.
How did CBS' editing of the Harris interview cause Trump any legally cognizable injury? Damned if I have any idea. Nothing other than extortion.
He didn't win because CBS editing the Harris interview caused Trump a legally cognizable injury.
He won because it being widely known that CBS edits interviews in that manner would cause CBS a financially cognizable injury. It looks bad, and it ought to look bad.
Trump does so well with settlements because the news outlets he sues have dirty hands, basically, and don't want the public looking at them. You can call that 'extortion' if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that they're dirty enough to be vulnerable to that sort of 'extortion'.
It only "looked bad" to TDS sufferers like yourself.
He shouldn't have, and he didn't. He extorted money from them to approve their merger. $16 million (or $36 million) is a small price to pay for a merger involving billions of dollars.
"I think WSJ got taken in by a fake letter. I think if there were such a letter, we would have already heard about it in 2016 or 2024. I think it will be hard to prove its a fake though, unless whoever made it confesses."
The Sullivan case is a bitch, though. I don't know how Trump gets around that.
He doesn't get around Sullivan. He settles. Nobody wants to gamble on a jury trial vs the President of the United States and his army of appellate lawyers. He's appointed his personal lawyers to high-power positions, too.
The WSJ is dribbling out names from this (alleged) 2003 book of letters, including a lot of high-profile people like Clinton. Eventually, they will have to release it. They will also have to explain how this 2003 book mysteriously reappeared.
Then insurance companies do what they are famous for: refusing to settle and getting judgments as a matter of law.
If this supposed 2003 letter has any reasonable provenance then they are protected by Sullivan. They should provide discovery within 30 days and move for summary judgment. Don't get bullied around if they are in the right.
If Trump can't get around Sullivan, he loses a motion for summary judgment. What reason does Murdoch have to settle before then?
Again: the same reason CBS and Disney had to settle: because Trump is a corrupt fascist thug who has no hesitation about misusing the purported powers of his office to retaliate against those who don't bend the knee. And unlike in his first term, he has avoided appointing any person with ethics to his administration who might say "No."
David Nieporent: "Again: the same reason CBS and Disney had to settle: because Trump is a corrupt fascist thug who has no hesitation about misusing the purported powers of his office to retaliate against those who don't bend the knee."
Took the words out of my mouth. Doesn't everybody see this for what it is?
Nieporent and Post — Okay, then. My question, is that a starting point of some kind for Ds, or just another occasion for despair and hand-wringing?
Longer term, what should Ds plan to do about all the Trump Administration abuses, including accountability not just for Trump, but also for his enablers, cabinet members, funders, and Supreme Court henchmen who are variously corrupt, politically and otherwise?
These appear to be epic times, with events to eclipse even the myth of the Augean stables. Is there some river a D Hercules could divert through Trump's government? Or is this all destined to be just literature written to decorate a record of epic collapse?
A question persists, if this is not normal, what norms exist to ground basis for counter-action? Without counter-action, a dismal future apparently lies ahead.
Cynicism, as always, remains an enabler for despotism. In the midst of dangerous emergency, too many who enjoy a measure of comfort—and at least a short-term expectation for personal safety—will choose a course of wait-and-see. And they will insist that everyone else do likewise, lest disruptive action by others put their own expected comfort and safety at risk. Everywhere and always, that is the cynics' pattern.
If that continues now in this nation, it will leave mainly less-talented and more-desperate actors to do what they can. That is beginning already. Continuation of that is not an encouraging prospect.
As a social class, successful lawyers are among those best equipped to practice cynicism, and hope to get away with it. An ordinary younger person—worried about this nation's future—is already well-justified to initiate a search for alternatives abroad. I lay blame for that less on the Trump administration, and more on this nation's self-serving advocates for cynical passivity.
According to some lawyers acting for Epstein's victims, the birthday book is (reportedly) in the possession of the Epstein estate. I would have thought it would have been in the possession of the FBI/DoJ (and thus, "in the Epstein files"), but maybe it was never turned over to them or found by them during the Epstein investigation?
Or, indeed, it does not exist. We shall (perhaps) see...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/epsteins-estate-50th-birthday-book-victims-lawyer/story?id=124051882
So the lawyer does state its in the estate but also says some of the victims he represented told him that Ghislaine made them help her put the book together. Some others have seen the book after it was completed. So there could be potentially multiple witnesses.
The fact that Ghislaine put it together for a gift to Epstein and knows exactly who contributed to its contents and Todd Blanche was just there yesterday visiting her in fed prison is rather interesting timing. There are no coincidences. Trump is a kiddie diddler. Whether or not that fact ever reaches the general public is doubtful...but cmon. There is literally nothing about Trump's lifetime of behavior with respect to females that says he isn't a total scumbag with zero morals and zero empathy for anybody but himself.
For some odd reason he had to promise his daughter not to ever "date" anyone younger than her. I wonder why she would have even thought to extract such a weirdly specific promise?
"When Ivanka Trump was 17 years old, she reportedly set an age limit for the women that dad Donald Trump was allowed to date. "I have a deal with her," Trump said of his daughter during a taping of The Howard Stern Show in June 1999. "She's 17 and doing great — Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her, that I would never date a girl younger than her." The New York Daily News pointed out that 17 is the age of consent in New York, "so Trump essentially told Ivanka that he wouldn't violate statutory rape law.""
Hmm.
I suspect that the lawsuit will become irrelevant in the near future. More and more is coming out about the Trump-Epstein relationship. I suspect that Trump's base will just have to accept the fact that he did have sexual relations with underage young women. I am sure they will figure out a way to rationalize the fact and just move on.
Three factions develop:
The Trump admin play, besides the obvious use of distractions, is to convince everyone that everything Epstein related is a hoax. This will be the default claim of the base going forward.
A significant but smaller group of supporters will go the “what he did isn’t that bad route.” Lots of gross victim-blaming and telling on themselves. A related segment of that group will make it some kind of religious thing “god forgave him, works in mysterious ways etc.”
Finally, the smallest group: the ones who turn on him, which funnily enough, might end up being led by true believers who caught the car and got into power and are now disillusioned. There may end up being a Patel/Bongino led faction of: they lied to us.
People do occasionally leave cults voluntarily.
I see (at least) 5 possibilities:
a. Trump wrote this and is totally lying about it. I find this fairly unlikely.
b. Trump wrote this, and has forgotten that he wrote it. I find this quite likely.
c. Trump didn't write this, but farmed all or most of it out to some flunky, and forgot that it did this, and that he, at most, signed his name to the work of said flunky. I find this also, quite likely.
d. The WSJ was hoodwinked by some third party. [I.e, the "fake news" angle.] More likely than explanations A and E, but much much less likely, IMO, than B or C.
e. The WSJ just totally made up this story out of whole cloth, 6+ months into Trump's second term, for . . . ??? reasons???? I find this almost impossible to believe, as I can't figure out its motivations, at this time, so early into Trump's second term.
I just hope and pray that the WSJ doesn't whore its integrity by settling in any way. We all just want to know the truth, and we don't want it covered up by a settlement.
Release the letter. Then we will know for sure. To me, d is more likely than c or e. It is not unknown for a news org to be 'taken. Just look at the BS with gaza reporting, with numerous incorrect stories.
To be fair, for a delusional narcissist like Trump, there isn't much difference between a. and b. He has the truly amazing power to convince himself completely of things which are not true.
He absolutely believes Abrego Garcia has "M-S-1-3" tattooed on his knuckles. I have not seen any further comment from Trump on this since his cringey interview with Terry Moran.
He absolutely believed Joe Biden originally appointed Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell (although he may have walked this claim back 48 hours after making it).
Need we mention the 2020 election?
I'm finding out I paid too little attention to the Epstein scandal in the first place. The letter bit will turn out real, but deniable by Trump, satisfying his base. If the court system works—always a doubtful proposition in Trump-related cases these days—Trump's suit will get dismissed at the outset.
Murdoch may go on to publish Trump's alleged drawing. News media last night reported multiple copies of the Epstein birthday book exist, with the original claimed to be in possession of Epstein's executor. Allegedly, some of Epstein's victims were mobilized to assemble the book, meaning that an unknown number can bear first-hand witness to what is in it.
What ought to get major investigation is all the prior legal and judicial effort to thwart the law on Epstein's conviction and trial, and to keep Epstein's victims in the dark about a sweetheart settlement of a horrific criminal case. That somehow escaped my attention at the time—maybe because I find repellent sex scandals in general.
But even though it is now old news, and well-covered previously, the judicial screw-job initially perpetrated in Florida needs major national review now. There ought to be particular attention to all the parties the cover-up was intended to protect, without regard to their politics. The public really does need to know if a class of highly-placed office holders, funders, etc., gets systematic protection from a corrupt judicial system.
The question whether this case has power to illuminate that issue ought not be left unanswered. There will be too much cynical political poison if the facts remain contested, while arguments and counter-arguments go on and on.
I think it’s a pretty good bet that a letter exists, but Trump will claim it’s faked.
As noted in the post, the issue for a court is not to decide for itself whether or not the letter was faked. The issue is whether and how the Wall Street Journal determined it was authentic. The standards for this under actual malice are pretty low. At most, the Wall Street Journal had to conduct some sort of investigation into determining its authenticity. At least, the Wall Street Journal merely had to take care to avoid encountering any evidence suggesting that it might not be authentic. Under this interpretation, the Wall Street Journal could insulate itself from liability simply by taking care not to conduct any investigation at all.
AFAIK the WSJ never said they saw the letter. They said their source(s) in the FBI did. So as long as they had good causes to believe their source(s) they're fine.
As for the suit, I suspect Trump is just doing it to bully the WSJ, by the time it went to trial the midterms are probably done. And I don't think the WSJ could get their hands on the letter during discovery since it's in the hands of the DOJ, not Trump, so Trump's lawyers may be counting on that.
If that’s the case, the lawsuit makes complete sense. It’s purpose is to force WSJ to disclose its sources so they can be fired, prosecuted, etc.. Its legal merit is, as I suspect may often be the case, at best completely irrelevant. Indeed, when the real purpose is to leverage the discovery power of the courts to gather intelligence on enemies for purposes of future payback, I sometimes suspect lack of legal merit may be a positive benefit, an intentional distraction that exploits legally trained people’s Pavlovian fixation with such things, a cognitive weakness that prevents them from noticing what’s really going on.
It’s a brilliant strategy actually - using the actual malice standard as a sword against media defendants. To defend itself, the WSJ will be forced to disclose information about how it obtained and authenticated the letter, which will doubtless include demands to disclose its sources.
The purpose is not to obtain a judgment from the WSJ. The purpose is to ruin the lives and make examples of the people who helped it, so that people will think twice about doing such a thing again.
I'm skeptical a defamation suit can force a newspaper to reveal its sources.
If that were the case, I think we'd see retaliatory suits like this much more often where the "defamed" party was merely looking to unmask the source of the true claims.
That is incorrect. Per the quote from the WSJ story, they reviewed the letter:
"The letter bearing Trump's name, which was reviewed by the Journal, is bawdy—like others in the album."
Ok, I'm wrong on that count. But that doesn't mean the WSJ is in possession of the letter (or even a photo of it). If it's in possession of the DOJ I doubt the discovery process from a civil suit between two private parties (assuming this is a private suit from Trump) can access it.
One report has asserted multiple copies not just of the letter, but of the Epstein anniversary book. It said the original was not in the hands of the government, but of Epstein's executor. Another report, sourced I think to a lawyer for Epstein victims, said some of those victims were assigned to work on putting the book together. That would mean witnesses who could be subpoenaed about what was in the book. That is a considerable pile of corroborative evidence. The WSJ has likely relied on at least some of it to make the decision to publish.
If so, it would take miscarriage of judicial process not to dismiss Trump's suit.
"Dershowitz, who represented Epstein after his first arrest, said, “It’s been a long time and I don’t recall the content of what I may have written.”"
Not exactly a denial...
Agree. Why is that a reply to me?
What's interesting about this post is its implicit admission that Trump is not all that unprecedented or scary, despite the never ending laments that our democracy has never been under more threat. Teddy Roosevelt having his attorney general criminally charge a newspaper to defend the besmirched reputation of his government sounds very Trump like. Teddy is a lauded environmentalist, progressive trust buster and champion of the little guy! And yet...
I think Trump is corrosive to the rule of law and good governance. But he's certainly not the first. Why I didn't vote for him, because he likes to use the power of government in un-conservative ways, not unlike celebrated early 20th century progressives. Our political terms continue to lose their meanings.
I agree that what Teddy Roosevelt did was was bad yet didn’t lead to bad longterm consequences. I don’t find this reassuring because there are differences:
1) Roosevelt was trying to punish a newspaper for publishing falsehoods, while Trump is trying to punish a newspaper for publishing the truth. The problem with Roosevelt is that he used a criminal statute; I suspect that he would have been entitled to a civil judgement in his favor even under the Sullivan standard. In contrast, I don’t think there is any chance that the Wall Street Journal made this story up; they actually saw the letter.
2) The indictment of The World was a one off, and everyone knew that because the indictment came down the day Roosevelt left office. In contrast, Trump is going after news organizations on a regular basis, and has boasted about putting news media “on notice.” Trump is trying to intimidate an entire industry.
3) The World, owned by Pulitzer, had the resources and willingness to fight back, resulting in a Supreme Court decision killing the idea of prosecuting newspapers for seditious libel. In contrast, CBS settled rather than fighting, presumably not based on the merits of the case (which seem to be nonexistent), but because CBS’s parent company needed Administration approval for a merger.
David - apart from the merits (which I am with you on), this is a very helpful post as a summary of the relevant law, with sample cases. I am bookmarking it for my class; thanks for writing it-
Guest1 - Thanks!
Needless to say, I haven't the faintest idea whether the letter does or does not exist. If it does, though, Trump would surely know that it does, and, knowing that, he'd be an absolute madman to file this suit. That makes me think there's no such letter.
Fool me one, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me fifty times, well at this point I'm just playing dumb.
If the letter exists -- even if fake -- the Journal has a complete defense of truth.
The quoted language very carefully does not say that Trump wrote it or signed it.
Indeed. And they even included Trump's denial of its authenticity.
So what reasonable person would believe they intentionally fabricated a smear to the tune of 10billion dollars in damages?
More theoretically, how do you tarnish someone's reputation or character when their character is already a pile of shit? The images of Trump and Epstein (or Maxwell) together are too numerous to catalog. Their relationship (prior to Epstein's first arrest) is so well established relative to the timing of the 50th bday gift that it would be surprising if Trump wasn't in the collection (assuming it exists).
The mere fact that the allegation is Maxwell put the book together for her BFF Esptein - it gets reported on - then Todd Blanche, deputy AG, is in FL sitting down with her and her lawyers immediately after is hard to ignore.
Obviously, the audience for this $10bn stunt is not made up of "reasonable people". It's for those GQP members suddenly finding themselves confused and vulnerable about Trump's actions in the Epstein saga.