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Parental Rights and Youth Gender Medicine
The Supreme Court just declined this morning to consider this issue, but here's how a noted lower court judge analyzed the matter.
Some people have asked: Why aren't state statutes limiting youth gender medicine treatments violations of parental rights (given that they apply even when the parents ask for the treatment for their children)? The answer, I think, is that the Court hasn't generally recognized a constitutional right to get forbidden medical procedures for oneself, much less a right to get them for one's children. I think Sixth Circuit Judge Jeffrey Sutton correctly summarized the legal rules in L.W. v. Skrmetti (which the Supreme Court just declined to review):
There is a long tradition of permitting state governments to regulate medical treatments for adults and children. So long as a federal statute does not stand in the way and so long as an enumerated constitutional guarantee does not apply, the States may regulate or ban medical technologies they deem unsafe.
Washington v. Glucksberg puts a face on these points…. The Court reasoned that there was no "deeply rooted" tradition of permitting individuals or their doctors to override contrary state medical laws. The right to refuse medical treatment in some settings, it reasoned, cannot be "transmuted" into a right to obtain treatment, even if both involved "personal and profound" decisions….
Abigail Alliance hews to this path. The claimant was a public interest group that maintained that terminally ill patients had a constitutional right to use experimental drugs that the FDA had not yet deemed safe and effective. As these "terminally ill patients and their supporters" saw it, the Constitution gave them the right to use experimental drugs in the face of a grim health prognosis. How, they claimed, could the FDA override the liberty of a patient and doctor to make the cost-benefit analysis of using a drug for themselves given the stark odds of survival the patient already faced? In a thoughtful en banc decision, the D.C. Circuit rejected the claim. The decision invoked our country's long history of regulating drugs and medical treatments, concluding that substantive due process has no role to play….
As in these cases, so in this one, indeed more so in this one. "The state's authority over children's activities is broader than over like actions of adults." A parent's right to make decisions for a child does not sweep more broadly than an adult's right to make decisions for herself….
Parental rights do not alter this conclusion because parents do not have a constitutional right to obtain reasonably banned treatments for their children. Plaintiffs counter that, as parents, they have a substantive due process right "to make decisions concerning the care, custody, and control of their children." At one level of generality, they are right. Parents usually do know what's best for their children and in most matters (where to live, how to live, what to eat, how to learn, when to be exposed to mature subject matter) their decisions govern until the child reaches 18. But becoming a parent does not create a right to reject democratically enacted laws. The key problem is that the claimants overstate the parental right by climbing up the ladder of generality to a perch—in which parents control all drug and other medical treatments for their children—that the case law and our traditions simply do not support. Level of generality is everything in constitutional law, which is why the Court requires "a 'careful description' of the asserted fundamental liberty interest."
So described, no such tradition exists. The government has the power to reasonably limit the use of drugs, as just shown. If that's true for adults, it's assuredly true for their children, as also just shown. This country does not have a custom of permitting parents to obtain banned medical treatments for their children and to override contrary legislative policy judgments in the process. Any other approach would not work. If parents could veto legislative and regulatory policies about drugs and surgeries permitted for children, every such regulation—there must be thousands—would come with a springing easement: It would be good law until one parent in the country opposed it. At that point, either the parent would take charge of the regulation or the courts would. And all of this in an arena—the care of our children—where sound medical policies are indispensable and most in need of responsiveness to the democratic process.
I have argued that there should be a constitutional right to choose certain medical treatments for oneself in narrow circumstances (basically when the person is terminally ill, and seeks a possibly life-saving though unproven treatment). But even if I'm right, that would be quite a narrow right; and in any event, the Abigail Alliance en banc opinion, described in the excerpt above, rejected even that narrow argument.
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If we can override parental wishes by not allowing children to drink, smoke, have sex, or get a tattoo, then we can override their wishes by restricting certain experimental gender treatments. Heck, in some states children can't even get their ears pierced
Cutting off your body parts in its own particularly ugly anti-social league and so it is illegal esp if it is YOU okaying the mutilation of some minor.
Volokh does not mention that adult genitals are required to experience a sexual climax. Blocking their development means no sexual climax for a lifetime. That must be in all consent procedures in children at or before Tanner Stage 2. There is no exception to this effect. Any surgery is irreversible. Medications were meant for the treatment of a disease, precocious puberty. It is to be stopped at the normal age of puberty, so puberty can restart normally. A law should not be necessary. It should be part of ethical professional standards, to not knowingly harm people, especially gullible kids bullied by trans supremacists controlling our schools.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/tanner-stages-7373824
Well, this is why there is such a pitched battle about the "medical science". If it's a life or death treatment, then the state can perhaps override parental consent/objection.
It's not like this hasn't been proven a winning legal formula. You mentioned pierced ears, but I'll offer another: schools are generally not allowed to given an aspirin to a minor, yet that same minor if she's a girl theoretically had a constitutional right to obtain an abortion without parental consent or knowledge. I'm assuming still the case in some states, after Dobbs.
The law can be distorted if you can come with a good enough "right" and get enough judges to endorse it.
Correct - though the treatments are not experimental. They are flat out harmful.
The right of parents here is the right to select among available legal treatments. It is not a right to select an illegal treatment. The right of parents to direct their children’s medical care has never extended to a right to give them illegal drugs. There has been a long history of states regulating drugs long before the Federal government got into the business of doing it, so this issue has a long case history.
There are two fundamental differences between this issue and the issues raised in Mahmoud.
1. Mahmoud involved what ideas children are taught. This directly implicates the First Amendment, because it directly involves both speech and religion. A right to take illegal substances has no relation to speech or religion. There is no similar direct connection to the Constitution’s text.
2. Mahmoud involved an analog of a right to refuse treatment. It found a right to be exempt from a particular class. Here, the plaintiffs wanted not just to refuse the available legal treatments. They wanted a different, illegal treatment.
I would say 1 and 2 both wrong on simpler grounds.
1) Children need a religion before they are taught about other religions else you are degrading the whole idea of God and the importance of your beliefs.
2) You destroy the whole idea that anything can be perverted at all by introducing gay lust into a young child's world. This is like 1.
It is against human nature in both cases. You can't have a grabbag of different ultimate beliefs before you have any answer at all. and you can't keep the idea that there are perverts if you have all human behaviors on display to a little child.
So no books on cute Willie the Arsonist Homosexual or a book called 50 Religions that contradict each other
You are making religious arguments, not legal ones. I am making legal arguments, not religious ones.
No, wrong even about your own statement. Any statement about an ultimate or indeed another religious statement must be religious too. If I say abortion is destroying an innocent life , you say that is religious , yet if you say it isn't taking a life that is not religious. Of course it is. We wouldn't be arguing over what is 2+2.
And you hide behind argumenst. If you have been involved in an abortion own up to it. Or if you are a practicing homosexual tell us.
You are entitled to believe that religious arguments are the only legitimate arguments, and no other kinds of arguments have any legitimacy.
I recoginze the approach I take requires a subtlety of thought increasingly out of fashion in our more bombastic age. I think courts should generally let legislatures impose absolutist moral views if they want. Yet I think constitutional thought should be mostly relativistic in its moral outlook, with judges often upholding diametrically opposed absolutist principals embraced by different and disagreeing legislatures elected by different and disagreeing constituencies.
And not only that, and this is getting so outside the zeitgeist it may seem utterly incomprehensible, I think judges should be scrupulously fair in addressing conflicts. People like you are every bit as much Americans as the trans folks. But the reverse is also true.
From my point of view it doesn’t matter who I am. Since in my view judges aren’t the ones who call the shots, they merely defer to various other authorities, a religously conservative judge and a gay trans judge ought to be able to reach the same conclusions. From your point of view, judges should call all the shots based solely on your idea of absolute truth (Not their own. Yours.) So whether the judge is someone like you or not decides everything and is the only relevant consideration. In that respect, I’m afraid I’m going continue to hide behind my anonymity, and continue to dissappoint you.
You're more forthright than most religious zealots; you admit that if you don't brainwash your kids before they're old enough for critical thought, that they'll realize your beliefs are nutty.
There was no "lust" in any of the school's lessons.
Taking illegal substances as part of a religious practice implicates Free Exercise. That was the issue in Employment Division v. Smith.
But the plaintiffs here are not claiming they want to use these drugs as a religious practice. They want to use them as a medical practice. So religion isn’t relevant to this issue.
There may well come a day when some Church of Trans Spirituality claims they do this as a religious practice. But that’s not today, and it’s not this case.
Of course there isn't religious practice in this case. But you seemed to make a broader claim (A right to take illegal substances has no relation to speech or religion).
No, I’m only talking about this case. A right to take illegal substances for medicinal purposes has no connection to speech or religion.
NO, it doesn't and that was decided at the Supreme Court
REYNOLDS V UNITED STATES
Suppose one believed that human sacrifices were a necessary part of religious worship, would it be seriously contended that the civil government under which he lived could not interfere to prevent a sacrifice? Or if a wife religiously believed it was her duty to burn herself upon the funeral pile of her dead husband, would it be beyond the power of the civil government to prevent her carrying her belief into practice?
So here, as a law of the organization of society under the exclusive dominion of the United States, it is provided that plural marriages shall not be allowed. Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government could exist only in name under such circumstances. . . .
Reynolds v. US was decided in 1879. A lot has happened since.
More recently, the 9th Circuit, which encompasses Utah, has taken the polar opposite position, holding that states can’t have any sexual morals laws at all. For example, it recently held that a police department could not discipline an officer for having an affair because it is beyond the power of the state to place any limit at all on what people do sexually.
It long ago struck down laws prohibiting plural marriage. Today, Utah’s laws address only registration of a marriage with the state. If Utah tried to pass a law that in any way affected how people actually live, the 9th Circuit would strike it down in a heartbeat.
Just to be precise, Utah is in the Tenth Circuit.
Besides your miss on the Circuit that includes UT, I was unaware of the plural marriage legalization. My understanding was that, throughout most of the country, second and subsequent marriages were invalid. Please let me know when and how that changed.
You're entirely missing the point. Like tattoos, the treatments are illegal as to children. The fact that it's legal for an adult does not automatically make it legal for a child. Thus, there is no "available legal treatment" to choose from.
Abigail Alliance for Better Access to Developmental Drugs v. von Eschenbach, 495 F.3d 695 (D.C. Cir. 2007), cert denied, 552 U.S. 1159 (2008), was an 8-2 en banc decision by the D.C. Circuit, holding that cancer patients did not have a constitutional right to access nonapproved treatments.
The membership of that court included future Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh and failed Obama Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland, both of whom joined the majority opinion. It also included Douglas Ginsburg, who had been Reagan's second choice after the Senate rejected the nomination of Robert Bork, though he withdrew the choice after revelations that Ginsburg had smoked marijuana as a college professor, and his name was never formally submitted to the Senate. Perhaps surprisingly, Ginsburg joined the dissent in Abigail Alliance.
I could wish that there was more liberty in medical decision making in this country, but 'youth gender medicine' is about the last place you'd start.
I enjoy watching all you smart people agree to disagree, but I'm just a simple old man who's concerned that politicians and judges are making medical decisions. Judges make terrible historians (Alito proves the point) and, I suspect, are even less qualified to make medical decisions. While I don't personally approve of gender modifying medications or procedures, I wouldn't want to impose my beliefs on someone else, so I don't understand why we let politicians do so.
What qualifies as "medicine" is a political decision. We don't let snake oil salesman pitch their wares and demand a right to use these products because people have the right to take whatever "medicine" they like.
Politicians are just the people we elect to make these decisions for us. And states have long had the police power to define what is acceptable medicine and can tell both children and adults what they don't sanction.
What qualifies as medicine is a social decision. We do not have a political system that can be trusted.
"We don't let snake oil salesman pitch their wares and demand a right to use these products because people have the right to take whatever "medicine" they like."
Forget 'snake oil' salesmen. "We" don't let people have a right to treatments that are absolutely known to work, and whose benefits are proven, for no better reason than that adults playing children's games for a living might use them to perform better.
Like I said above, I might wish for legally recognized medical liberty, for adults. But the 'treatments' here are the last you'd ever expect the legal system to create a right to.
The Democrat Party, the ACLU, and the major medical organizations stand in favor of those treatments. Interesting that no one defends them here.
My problem is how to define this right to medical liberty for adults? Wouldn't the term "medical treatment" change and grow to suit whatever the current fads of the day decide it covers? Sort of like the word "marriage"?
You seem to agree that this process is "treatment" only by putting it in quotes. How can the government protect people by outlawing quackery yet still give people the right to choose acceptable medicine? I think it is pretty much how we do it now---even if we might disagree with some applications.
We've already seen this issue with "medical" marijuana. Yes, I'm sure Snoop Dogg is afflicted with a terrible illness that requires cannabis to treat as well as 3/4 of the people in my community on the lower socioeconomic scale. Or is it just maybe a sham to use marijuana recreationally under the guise of a medical treatment?