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Big Business as Gun Control
Partly from coercion and partly by choice, many banks and social media businesses impose severe gun controls
On July 6, 1775, the great Pennsylvania lawyer John Dickinson coauthored the Continental Congress' Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms. Among the grievances in the Declaration were the British government's gun control program, namely having "murdered" people in attempting to confiscate arms and gunpowder at Lexington and Concord, and the disarmament of the people of Boston. Known as the "Penman of the Revolution," Dickinson is the namesake of Penn State Dickinson Law school. Fittingly for the 250th anniversary of John Dickinson's immortal declaration, the Dickinson Law Review has published a symposium issue on arms rights and arms controls.
My article, coauthored with George Mocsary and Bhav Ninder Singh, addresses a form of constriction on the right to arms that was unknown to John Dickinson: Big Business as Gun Control. Here's the abstract:
Gun control increasingly bypasses direct legislative enactments by co-opting the commercial marketplace. Financial institutions and insurers often face regulatory pressures, frequently articulated through vague notions of "reputational risk," to terminate or restrict services for lawful firearms businesses and advocacy groups. The debanking tactic, seen in initiatives such as Operation Choke Point, can deny essential financial products to firearm owners, merchants, and organizations, curtailing the practical exercise of constitutionally protected rights. Simultaneously, government agencies sometimes pursue warrantless data collection from bank records and merchant category codes, building profiles of lawful purchasers and eroding privacy and due-process norms.
Social media platforms compound these problems by removing or limiting firearms-related content under opaque or inconsistently applied standards. Although they occasionally frame their policies as safeguards against violence, enforcement often removes instruction, historical discussion, and other legitimate forms of speech. The censorship distorts public debate about firearms, stifling conversations on safety, training, and responsible ownership.
This Article describes the significant shift toward privatized gun control, in which government entities and large corporations converge to limit access to banking, insurance, and information platforms. The outcome is a new type of regulatory regime that can subvert constitutional checks, undermine lawful enterprise, and chill lawful speech. Curbing abuses requires a combination of targeted legislation, judicial oversight, and self-restraint by private institutions to ensure that neither lawful commerce nor individual liberty are sacrificed to hidden agendas.
Part I of the Article examines debanking and other financial blacklisting, and explains how the financial regulatory environment enables abuse. When a regulator illegally says "jump," many banks and insurance companies tend to believe that the only response that will save their business from being destroyed is to respond "Yes, sir!" A case in point is the Obama administration's Operation Choke Point, which was an effort to debank the entire firearms industry. While that particular program was thwarted by its exposition in congressional hearings, debanking continues to be a growing problem. Abuses have been particularly severe in New York State. There, the Governor, the head of the Department of Financial Services, and the Attorney General engaged in egregious misconduct to attempt to destroy the National Rifle Association (NRA) for political reasons.
Part II turns to forced disclosure of private banking information. Section A briefly surveys the widespread problem of administrative subpoenas, including for banking data relating to firearms purchases. Section B addresses legislation to create separate merchant category codes for firearms business.
Social media censorship of firearms-related content is the subject of Part III. Based on examination of the policies and practices of six leading social media businesses, the worst offenders are Meta and YouTube. While these companies have published detailed policies, the companies' censors act arbitrarily, capriciously, and contrary to the published policies.
In each of Parts I–III, a final section examines potential solutions for the problems described in the relevant part. There are multiple ways to deal with debanking and other financial blacklisting, but many suffer from the penchant of some financial regulators to act as a law unto themselves, regardless of their statutory or regulatory authority. Financial privacy is the easiest issue to address, using the model of several states that have already enacted legislation against turning credit card transactions into gun registries. As for social media, the problem may be unsolvable by legislation, lawsuits, or antitrust.
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"As for social media, the problem may be unsolvable by legislation, lawsuits, or antitrust."
WHEW!
Glad you realized that.
Too bad statists don't. And that includes all lefties, who are statists by definition.
It’s not enough that the government can’t regulate firearm ownership, private companies have to cater to their hobby too. It’s such a whiny movement. No wonder it’s associated with the American Right.
He said, whining about it.
Your side started it with the Gay Wedding Cake nonsense, and to steal from Barry Hussein, 1994 called and wants it's Ish-yew back, you go to any gun store, you'll see women and blacks buying guns (but not many black women, the demographic who could use them the most)
"Curbing abuses requires a combination of targeted legislation, judicial oversight, and self-restraint by private institutions to ensure that neither lawful commerce nor individual liberty are sacrificed to hidden agendas."
I'd say the key solution is a greater diversity of private institutions. The essential problem is that most private institutions in the banking and social media platform areas don't require much pressure at all to attack firearms ownership, they're run by a critical mass of people who WANT to!
We need banks, social media platforms, insurers, run by people who approve of this right, and who will actually be willing to resist when pressured by regulators.
Speech and associational freedoms are themselves constitutionally protected rights. If organizations don't want to have any connection to firearms, that's their prerogative, just as it is when those same organizations deny their services to producers of pornography (despite pornography producers' first amendment rights), or manufacturers of palm oil or tobacco products.
"The censorship distorts public debate about firearms" when private social media companies limit gun content, but not when the federal government systematically de-funds research into gun deaths and gun violence prevention over decades? Okay.
"If organizations don't want to have any connection to firearms, that's their prerogative"
If governments strong arm them, is it still their "prerogative"?
"Operation Choke Point was an initiative of the United States Department of Justice beginning in 2013[1] which investigated banks in the United States and the business they did with firearm dealers, payday lenders, and other companies that, while operating legally, were said to be at a high risk for fraud and money laundering. " wikipedia
So the government shouldn't look into companies that are at a high risk for fraud and money laundering? Good news for criminals.
No, the government shouldn't tell regulated industries that, "We will pretend legal industries we don't like represent a high risk for fraud, and take adverse regulatory actions against you if you don't cut them off."
Operation Choke Point was directed at politically disfavored industries, not criminal ones.
What information do you have to suggest that the government was merely pretending?
http://online.wsj.com/articles/william-isaac-dont-like-an-industry-send-a-message-to-its-bankers-1416613023
Go play with someone who cares to humor you. The only thing the targeted industries had in common was the Obama administration not liking them, and the only 'reputational risk' was annoying regulators if you didn't cooperate in the targeting.
For one thing, if those industries actually had demonstrated a higher incidence of fraud, banking companies would have identified and addressed it already out of their own financial self-interest. No such actual evidence of fraud was ever found or even alleged. The sole basis for Operation Choke Point was "reputational risk".
The federal government has never "systematically de-fund[ed] research into gun deaths and gun violence prevention".
The closest you can come to that claim was when Congress told the CDC that 'gun violence' is not a disease (much less a communicable one) and that they need to stick to their actual mandate.
The CDC does plenty of research and public education in areas beyond diseases, much less communicable ones. The National Center for Injury Prevention (a.k.a. the Injury Center), for example, studies overdoses, violence, and accidental injury, but has little to do with diseases, communicable or otherwise. As injuries are the leading cause of death for Americans between 1-44, that doesn't make its work any less valuable.
But studying guns upsets the gun nuts, so it has to be banned.
The NCIPC is also outside the proper mandate for the CDC and should be shut down as duplicative of work already being done by OSHA, the NHTSA and other agencies. The tracking on gun violence and gun deaths is the law enforcement problem already extensively tracked by the FBI and local law enforcement across the country.
That said, the work commissioned by the CDC on guns was especially bad in the quality of research and the motivated reasoning of the researchers. No matter what your position on gun control, that program deserved to be shut down.
If you actually believed that the existing research on a topic is flawed, your response would be that it should be studied more, not less.
It should be studied more - by law enforcement and others competent in the area. That excludes the CDC.
Outcome oriented nonsense. If you worry you won’t be able to work the results, work the refs.
Have both groups do the research!
We did have both groups do the research - and the CDC's research was garbage. Poor methodology, ideological bias, motivated reasoning and a host of other failings. They're not competent in this area.
With all those legislative and factual findings, why would you possibly let them keep wasting taxpayer dollars? Especially when it was rather obviously distracting them from research in areas that actually are in their domain of competence?
You don’t seem an impartial judge at all.
Sarc, Much/most of the CDC sponsored gun research was ... really really bad.
I'm a human being and so not impartial. I have my views on the subject. I like to think my views are informed by the data rather than the converse, but ... a lot of the CDC funded stuff was really, really bad. Obvious to anyone who payed attention in Stats 101 bad. F- in Stats 101 bad.
FWIW, Kleck in the early 1990's kinda wrote the book (literally!) on the subject. His book is a case study in careful stats. It is still a great example of careful research. There have been many studies by ideologues since then, but it's still the best source out there. Neither people nor guns have changed appreciably since then. The ideologues on both sides since then embarrass themselves.
Kleck wrote a fictional book about a country where there are nearly a million defensive gun uses per year during burglaries, despite there being only a little over a million attempted burglaries in total each year, while fewer than half of all houses own guns with which to defend from said burglaries - and of course, the many, many, many shot burglars needing medical attention are nowhere to be found.
Of course he's your gold standard for "careful stats."
I don't ask the CDC to do criminological research, any more than I would ask the FBI to research kidney disease. Cobbler, stick to thy last.
And as Rossami says, their 'research' was crap. Nothing but crude propaganda.
"proper mandate for the CDC "
After it's performance during covid, there is no "proper mandate" for the CDC. Complete failure during the most significant public health crisis in 100 years.
The Dicky amendment didn't prohibit research. It prohibited buying propaganda.
No, it prohibits the CDC from studying the leading cause of death for children and teens in the United States, because proponents of said cause view any information as to its dangers as "propaganda."
Maybe read it?
Maybe learn what it actually did. Just ask the guy who actually wrote it:
It turned out that, if the CDC couldn't manufacture propaganda, they saw no point in doing 'research'. Propaganda had been the only point all along.
And that was fine, because it wasn't in their jurisdiction to begin with.
Bellmore — Hypothetically a rigorous statistical study might disclose that AR-style weapons used in school shootings result in more mortality and/or severe injury to victims than other gun choices do. If that were the finding, and the methodology were solid, would that make you more likely to favor publishing that information, or more likely to favor suppressing it?
Please answer forthrightly, without fighting the hypothetical, or changing the subject.
"rigorous statistical study"
I support rigorous studies whatever the outcome!
Mssr. Bloomberg has funded *lots* of studies. If you can point to a rigorous one that supports your preferred thesis, by all mean do so. He's been looking pretty hard, so if one is possible, it has presumably been done.
Absaroka, fighting the hypothetical so Bellmore won't have to.
You and I have been down this road before, of course. So long as government makes it illegal to track gun crime results systematically, and collate the results in electronic databases, no other party can have practical power to supply the necessary data. It would have to be collected in standard form, by law enforcement officers, during gun crime investigations. Only federal power which you and all gun nuts oppose could make it possible to do that.
Which is why my question has to be hypothetical. People like you want to keep it illegal to find the answer.
The leading cause of death for ages 0-19 from 2001 to 2023 is motor vehicles, according to the CDC WISQARS DB.
In fairness, though, firearms have exceeded traffic deaths in recent years. Maybe with the murder rate dropping that will reverse, but for now it is a leading cause.
Also in fairness, 'children and teens' would be more accurately put as 'late teens'; firearms deaths from 0-19 are heavily weighted to the late teens.
In fairness, counting suicides as though they were criminal murders, distorts the whole of the research. As does not controlling for the deterrent effect of various arms in the population. Crimes deterred doesn't lend itself to simple FBI statistics, but interview any convicted violent criminal and they will place fear of being shot by their victim as high in their personal victim selection methodology.
Grifhunter — Why confine your sample to violent criminals?
I have multiple times been put at risk of being shot by gun-wielding lawful citizens, who would have sworn afterward to any investigator that they brandished the weapon to deter crime. The proof being that presumptive crimes I never thought of went uncommitted after I saw the gun.
This blog features regular comments from one person who avowedly went armed every time he ventured to check his roadside mailbox—because you never knew what kind of people might drive by. By now, he must have deterred hundreds of crimes.
Conversely, I do not go armed. Even in that condition I presumably deter multiple violent crimes. Not one such incident has happened to me in the last 30+ years. I credit my unarmed physical presence with power to deter about 2 violent crimes annually. Thus, going unarmed has deterred at least 60 violent assaults against me. Mysteriously, my power to do that seems to have increased as I got older. I am proud to have accomplished so much crime suppression without incurring the risk of keeping a gun around.
Free markets FTW!
Probably not the place to point out fascists use corporations as proxies to control the population - - -
See, it's not enough to make sure Big Gummint isn't interferin' with mah guns. Gotta make sure that no private parties can do anything 'bout guns, neither!
That's right. Ima take my emotional support animal (a feral screamin' bobcat who assists me with my emotional needs) on to a flight and then come to your property and complain because you won't let me have mah gun. That's the libertarian thing to do!
'Cuz being a real libertarian means that Big Gummint can't stop me from doin' what I wants, and no other person can neither, and I'll use Big Gummint to stop 'em. My rights end when y'all shut up already.
*sigh* Look, of the many problems we face today, and regardless of your position on guns, I really don't think that the biggest problem we face is that it's just too dang hard to get a gun, and that we really need to work harder to keep people from discriminating against gun owners. I mean ... if I were to believe the posts here, the most oppressed people in America today are gun owners and Christians, which is certainly something, but it seems statistically and observationally ... unsound ... as a proposition.
Ts; dr.
*Sigh*. Look, of the many problems we face today, one of the bigger ones is people trying to ignore that businesses deciding with whom to intereact based on government pressure.
Yeah, the oppressors always think that the REAL problem is that their victims aren't oppressed enough, and should be happy that they're tolerated at all.
You’re not oppressed.
The vibes are oppressive.
I have to undergo a background check to exercise an explicitly guaranteed civil right. That IS oppression, even if it's oppression you approve of.
This is about as oppressive as having a 9:00 bedtime when you’re 6.
Fragile white man thinks he has problems because his ideology isn’t dictating all the things maximally hard.
Spending three paragraphs mocking the speech of a group is guaranteed to be persuasive!
Only dumb hillbillies own guns!
The gun rights movement basically obtained complete cultural victory between 2012-2018 once it became clear that not only would mass-shootings never move legislatures, Congress, or courts on gun control, guns have become the least important part of the story of mass shootings and those stories no longer stay in the news any way.
This complete victory does have some minor drawbacks for the right: people also don’t care when their favorite politician gets shot at. But otherwise they got what they wanted: gun owners can have as many guns as they want and bad actors using guns can no longer make them face political or cultural pressure to change their stance. It’s over. They won. But like Gul Dukat this movement believes that: “A true victory is to make your enemy see they were wrong to oppose you in the first place. To force them to acknowledge your greatness.” But that ain’t ever happening and it makes them so fucking mad lol.
We generally don't approve of powerful businesses forming cartels and colluding to drive lawful businesses out of existence in restraint of trade.
There are legal mechanisms already in place to deal with that issue. This is combatting a different problem.
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I'm always amused at the folks who post in some "southern white stupid guy" voice, but would be aghast if their foil used accents or linguistics of brown or black people. Its not even soft bigotry.
Apparently free markets are a good thing only until one discovers one has to pay market price for things one feels entitled to have for free.
The fundamental problem here is that guns create risks, and increased risks higher insurance costs, and in higher insurance costs mean higher premiums.
It’s like arguing that because that the right to drive or the right to live in a flood plain or the right to smoke tobacco implies the right to be insured for these risks at no cost, and premium surcharges for these things are just a big bad Big Business cabal. Sounds like something Bernie Sanders would say if the subject was anything else but guns.
And how will this supposed cabal be remedied? Government is supposed to control the insurance market to ensure that all other insurance purchasers (or perhaps taxpayers) subsidizes gun owners?
And what do you plan to call this form of government-mandated, government-subsidized insurance? KopelCare?
Your logic is missing a few steps. Guns do create higher risks and insurance costs for businesses such as convenience stores and gas stations. There is no such risk (or cost) for the social media companies or institutional bankers discussed in the article above.
He has the Social Media part right. Last weekend I was on a Facebook page discussing the Iran Strike. One of the commenters threatened to "behead" me. I told him to try, that he would probably get shot. Of course I was the one who got the suspension.
Glad you survived.
Never give away your security plans or capabilities.
It warns the bad guys and provides evidence of premeditation.
(let whatever comes come as a surprise)
Goddamn what an Internet badass we have among us.
Survivor of thousands of deadly posts.
Based on examination of the policies and practices of six leading social media businesses, the worst offenders are Meta and YouTube. While these companies have published detailed policies, the companies' censors act arbitrarily, capriciously, and contrary to the published policies.
Does Kopel suppose Meta and YouTube are subject to the Administrative Procedure Act?
How cute, little Stevie thinks it a O-k for FB, Twitter, etc to remove/ban posts critical of the gov't - and all at the behest of that gov't.
Well... when things are run by the (D) party.