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Women-Only Naked Spa Lacks First Amendment Right to Exclude Transgender Patrons with Penises
So the Ninth Circuit held today, by a 2-1 vote. I tentatively think the majority got it right as a matter of First Amendment law and statutory interpretation, though I think such statutes ought to be written to include some privacy exceptions as to gender identity and not just sex.
From Olympus Spa v. Armstrong, decided today by Ninth Circuit Judge Margaret McKeown, joined by Judge Ronald M. Gould:
In 2020, the HRC [Human Rights Commission], the agency tasked with enforcing WLAD [Washington Law Against Discrimination], received a complaint from a transgender woman. The complaint alleged that Olympus Spa "denied [her] services and stated that transgender women without surgery are not welcome because it could make other customers and staff uncomfortable." Specifically, the Spa excluded preoperative transgender women who have not yet received gender confirmation surgery affecting their genitalia….
WLAD is a wide-reaching law that prohibits discrimination in a variety of areas, including employment, real estate, public accommodations, credit, and insurance. The public accommodations section covers discrimination in the "right to the full enjoyment of any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, or privileges of any place of public resort, accommodation, assemblage, or amusement." WLAD proscribes discrimination based not only on race but also categories including "age, sex, sexual orientation, and disability." … WLAD … [defines] "sexual orientation" … to mean:
heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, and gender expression or identity. As used in this definition, "gender expression or identity" means having or being perceived as having a gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression, whether or not that gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression is different from that traditionally associated with the sex assigned to that person at birth.
WLAD's governing regulations permit the maintenance of certain "gender-segregated facilities," such as "restrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms," and similar spaces, so long as the facility does not remove or otherwise take action against a person for reasons "[]related to their gender expression or gender identity." … The Spa does not dispute that WLAD's proscription of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation applies to its conduct here. Nor could it…. The statutory language is undoubtedly expansive, and its definition of sexual orientation is bespoke. But it is also unambiguous, and it applies to the Spa's entrance policy….
The court rejected the SPA's free speech claim:
[T]he HRC required the Spa to adopt new language "affirm[ing] equal access, service, and treatment for all customers 'without regard to … sexual orientation or gender identity.'" … [But t]he mandated alterations were "plainly incidental to the [challenged law's] regulation of conduct, and 'it has never been deemed an abridgement of freedom of speech or press to make a course of conduct illegal merely because the conduct was in part initiated, evidenced, or carried out by means of language, either spoken, written, or printed.'" Rumsfeld v. FAIR (2006) (quoting Giboney v. Empire Storage & Ice Co. (1949)).
{The Spa alleged that the HRC "required that Olympus Spa remove language from its website that has a viewpoint that 'biological women' are females and distinct from males." But the Spa has not pointed to any specific statements that were on the website before the enforcement action and removed during its pendency, beyond the statement that "[b]iological women are welcome" to enter the Spa. As alleged, the HRC's action went no further than requiring that the Spa's entrance policy comply with WLAD and that the Spa's website accurately convey that policy. The action did not otherwise infringe on the Spa's freedom to publish its views on the nature of gender.}
The court rejected the Spa's Free Exercise Clause claim, applying Employment Division v. Smith (1990), under which religious objectors aren't generally constitutionally entitled to exemptions from religion-neutral, generally applicable laws. And the court rejected the Spa's freedom of association claim:
The Constitution protects the freedom of association as "a fundamental element of personal liberty" and "an indispensable means of preserving other individual liberties." That right protects both "intimate association," that is, the "choices to enter into and maintain certain intimate human relationships," and "expressive association," which is "a right to associate for the purpose of engaging in those activities protected by the First Amendment—speech, assembly, petition for the redress of grievances, and the exercise of religion." These are fundamental and important rights but none of them are implicated here.
To begin, the Spa is not an intimate association. The bottom line is that payment of the entrance fee is the price of admission. And any woman, except a transgender woman who has not yet received gender confirmation surgery affecting her genitalia, who can pay the fee can be admitted. Intimate associations are "distinguished by such attributes as relative smallness, a high degree of selectivity in decisions to begin and maintain the affiliation, and seclusion from others in critical aspects of the relationship." Business enterprises serving the general public typically lack these qualities.
The Spa's customers and employees do not share "deep attachments and commitments." Although the Spa might not be a "large business enterprise," it is nevertheless a business, open to all women except preoperative transgender women. Other than its exclusion of preoperative transgender women, the Spa exhibits no selectivity, let alone a "high degree of selectivity," in admission. Patrons "are not members of any organized association; they are patrons of the same business establishment." Like the dance hall in City of Dallas v. Stanglin (1989), the Spa admits "all [women] who are willing to pay." …
[T]he Spa notes that women might feel physically vulnerable while at the Spa. Without a doubt, nude spas raise unique privacy concerns absent in most other public spaces, but nudity alone does not transform a public place of business into an intimate association. The Spa analogizes the relationship between spa patrons to the intimate roommate relationship, pointing to language in Roommate.com observing that "a girl may not want to walk around in her towel in front of a boy." Fair Hous. Council of San Fernando Valley v. Roommate.com (9th Cir. 2012). Although "modesty or security concerns," which could drive the selection of one's roommate, may also influence a patron's decision to visit the Spa, the similarities stop there. The roommate relationship is "selective" and "implicates significant privacy and safety considerations" because the choice of roommate necessarily "intrudes into the home." In contrast, patrons purchase commercial services at the Spa without regard to the identities of other patrons and do not themselves control admission to the Spa. Because "much of the activity central to the formation and maintenance of [the Spa] involves the participation of strangers," Roommate.com is inapposite. And to the extent the Spa seeks to invoke the privacy rights of its patrons, it has not made such a claim under the First Amendment or otherwise.
The Spa is also not an expressive association because the Spa and its patrons do not engage in expressive activity…. While expressive association does not protect only "advocacy groups," "a group must engage in some form of expression, whether it be public or private."
The Spa's effort to transform the act of visiting a spa into the sharing of "ideals and beliefs" within an expressive association would stretch the freedom of association beyond all existing bounds. The Spa alleges its "mission is to restore and rejuvenate women's physical health as well as spiritual health," and that its services are more expressive than traditional commercial activities because the services "are very interactive and hands on as well as lengthy." That broad description would turn virtually every commercial gym or massage establishment into an expressive association….
In contrast, in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale (2000), the Court concluded that the Boy Scouts engaged in expressive activity because it is "an association that seeks to transmit … a system of values." …
The panel noted, without elaboration, that "the Spa may have other avenues to challenge the enforcement action," but concluded that, "whatever recourse it may have, that relief cannot come from the First Amendment."
Judge Kenneth Lee dissented:
Korean spas are not like spas at the Four Seasons or Ritz Carlton with their soothing ambient music and lavender aroma in private lounges. Steeped in centuries-old tradition, Korean spas require their patrons to be fully naked, as they sit in communal saunas and undergo deep-tissue scrubbing of their entire bodies in an open area filled with other unclothed patrons. Given this intimate environment, Korean spas separate patrons as well as employees by their sex.
The State of Washington, however, threatened prosecution against Olympus Spa, a female-only Korean spa, because it denied entry to a pre-operative transgender female—i.e., a biological male who identifies as female but has not undergone sex-reassignment surgery. Now, under edict from the state, women—and even girls as young as 13 years old—must be nude alongside patrons with exposed male genitalia as they receive treatment. And female spa employees must provide full-body massages to naked pre- operative transgender women with intact male sexual organs….
Olympus Spa—an immigrant-founded business run by a Korean family—also deserves better. The Spa's owners pleaded with the Washington Human Rights Commission that they wanted to provide privacy to women and girls, some of whom had complained years ago about seeing a naked person with male genitalia there. They also begged the government not to force them to violate their Christian belief in modesty between men and women. Those pleas fell on deaf ears.
One would think that the Washington Human Rights Commission would be sympathetic to the Spa's owners—members of a racial minority group who want to share their cultural heritage and provide a safe space for women and girls. Instead, it threatened prosecution for defying the state's contorted reading of its anti- discrimination law.
Judge Lee concluded that, properly interpreted, the WLAD doesn't prohibit Olympus's policy; his main argument was that "gender identity is protected [by WLAD] only if it serves as a proxy for sexual orientation:
We … must read "gender expression or identity" in context as part of the definition of "sexual orientation." In 2006, the Washington legislature added "sexual orientation" to WLAD as a protected class. From then on, Washington forbade discrimination on the basis of "race, creed, color, national origin, citizenship or immigration status, sex, honorably discharged veteran or military status, sexual orientation, or … disability." The legislature, however, did not include "gender expression or identity" as an independently protected class. The legislature also chose not to include "gender expression or identity" within the definition of "sex." "Sex" remained defined as "gender." Rather, the legislature included "gender expression or identity" only in the definition of "sexual orientation."
So why include "gender expression or identity" in the definition of "sexual orientation"? It guards against discrimination where gender identity serves as a proxy for sexual orientation. For instance, suppose a transgender woman (i.e., a biological male who identifies as a female) is in a relationship with a biological male. An employer who harbors anti-gay views fires the transgender woman but claims that he did not discriminate based on sexual orientation because the transgender woman is in a relationship with a man. By including "gender expression and identity" in the definition of sexual orientation, the law tells businesses that such gamesmanship will not fly. It, however, does not create a separate and standalone protected class for gender identity or transgender status.
The majority disagreed with the dissent's interpretation, concluding that the definition of "sexual orientation" does indeed mean that the WLAD bans discrimination based on gender identity.
Judge Lee also concluded that Bostock v. Clayton County (2020), which "held that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or transgender status must logically be discrimination based on 'sex' under Title VII," didn't apply:
Unlike WLAD, Title VII does not define "sex." … Because Congress did not include any definitions, the Court interpreted sex discrimination broadly to include transgender status based on a logical syllogism that the undefined term "sex" must implicate sexual orientation and gender identity.
Here, on the other hand, we are not left in the dark on how to interpret the term "sex" or to guess if the statute covers sexual orientation or gender identity. The state legislature has already given us the answers. WLAD explicitly prohibits discrimination based on "sexual orientation" and defines "sex" and "sexual orientation" differently. WLAD also expressly includes "gender expression or identity" under the definition of "sexual orientation" (but not under "sex"), confirming that "gender identity" is distinct from "sex."
Finally, Judge Lee argued:
Washington is not just legally wrong in misconstruing its anti-discrimination law. It is also wrong in how it overzealously pursued its case against the interests of protected class members—the women and girls of the state, and the Korean owners of Olympus Spa, an immigrant-founded small business.
In 1973, the state amended WLAD to include "sex" as a forbidden basis for discriminatory treatment. Over the years, the Washington Supreme Court construed the statute broadly to protect women and girls. See, e.g., MacLean v. First Northwest Indus. (Wash. 1981) (holding that "ladies' night" with half-price tickets for women at an NBA game was a lawful way to increase attendance of female fans). Our court, too, has recognized that our laws provide privacy for females: For example, we noted that in shared "bathrooms and common areas, a girl may not want to walk around in her towel in front of a boy." Roommate.com.
But Washington has now rolled back the clock in protecting women and girls by bizarrely citing the very law that safeguarded their rights for decades. Now, women and girls as young as 13 years old must lay naked alongside individuals with exposed male genitalia as they receive treatment at Korean spas. And for the female employees at the Spa, they must provide full-body deep-tissue massage to naked persons with intact male sexual organs—or else lose their livelihood.
The state also unjustly hounded Olympus Spa's Korean owners. The Washington Human Rights Commission threatened them with prosecution on questionable legal grounds. As the owners explained, they wanted to share their ethnic heritage to the larger community, but they also felt obligated to ensure privacy for their female patrons and employees. That did not matter to the Commission. Nor did the Commission care about the owners' fear of losing clients and ultimately their small business that they had worked so hard to build.
The Washington Human Rights Commission threatened prosecution against a protected class—racial minority members who want to share their cultural traditions—to favor a group that is not even a protected class under the statute. To be clear, transgender persons, like all people, deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. But showing respect does not mean the government can distort the law and impose its will on the people the law was intended to protect.
Ultimately, this case is not just about the fate of a family-owned business. It is about power—which groups have it and which do not. And Asian Americans in Washington have historically lacked political clout. Washington barred Chinese people from voting as soon as it became a territory in 1853. Other restrictions (such as preventing them from testifying against whites) followed. Even in the post-civil rights era, the University of Washington has faced repeated allegations of discrimination against Asian Americans. {See, e.g., Hannah Fry, Rejected by 16 colleges, hired by Google. Now he's suing some of the schools for anti-Asian discrimination, L.A. Times, Apr. 4, 2025 (detailing how Stanley Zhong—who "had a 4.42 grade- point average, a nearly perfect SAT score, had bested adults in competitive coding competitions and started his own electronic signing service all while still in high school"—was rejected by, among others, University of Washington); Heath Foster and Ruth Schubert, Two UW law school applicants, two paths: one got in, one didn't, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Oct. 15, 1998 (noting disparity in LSAT scores).} And the Washington Human Rights Commission's bullheaded investigation of Olympus Spa makes plain who has political power (and who does not) today.
Make no mistake about it: the Washington Human Rights Commission has wielded its power to advance its own political agenda. The homepage of its website includes statements about national politics that have little to do with the Commission's duties under state law: It declares that "President Trump is misleading the American people on diversity, equity, and inclusion and accessibility initiatives." The agency then links to a press release from a group of politicians attacking "President Trump's executive orders" as "unnecessary and disingenuous" and condemning him for "baseless and offensive claims." All this political palaver—from an agency tasked with impartially investigating and neutrally enforcing the state's anti-discrimination laws on behalf of all Washington citizens. It is no wonder then that the Washington Human Rights Commission exerted the full force of state power to bully members of a politically weak minority group….
Neal H. Luna and David Ward of the Washington AG's office represent defendants.
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Too bad freedom of association has been written out of the Constitution.
Agreed - it was a right decision under the Free Speech clause but should have been invalid under any reasonable interpretation of the Freedom of Association clause. The inevitable result of this kind of ruling will be a decrease in services and opportunities for women everywhere.
Part of the problem, I think, comes in the phrase "the Freedom of Association clause": There is no such clause in the First Amendment. Courts have interpreted the First Amendment as implicitly covering rights to expressive association and to intimate association (though probably the better understanding is that intimate association has been seen as a facet of substantive due process). But those rights are quite limited, and, as the panel majority notes, they aren't broad enough to cover Olympus Spa's claims.
It took me many years before I realized Freedom of Association was not in the First Amendment. (IANAL!) It seems to me one of the most basic human rights. But then I also think economic freedom is about as basic as can be, and the Supremes don't believe that either.
One of the Framers, maybe James Madison, opposed the Bill of Rights on the grounds that enumerating specific rights would cast all others in the light of secondary. The 9th and 10th Amendments are a sorry substitute. On the other hand, we probably wouldn't have much freedom of speech without the Bill of Rights.
Looks like compelled speech to me. The law only protects a man’s right to access the spa’s services if he identifies as a woman. The first amendment protects a man’s right to decline to identify as a woman.
"The first amendment protects a man’s right to decline to identify as a woman."
Which Plaintiff here is a man whose "right to decline to identify as a woman" has been denied or abridged?
None. But a proper plaintiff could make that argument.
Are you saying a cis man could challenge the law that excluded him from being in the spa on the basis of compelled speech? If so, I am at a loss how.
IIUC the law would require him to be allowed into the spa if he identified as a woman, so he's suffering adverse legal consequences for declining to identify as a woman. Which he has a first amendment right not to do.
I'm not following how one has a First Amendment right not to identify as a woman.
Really? You think the government can compel you to identify as a woman?
I doubt it, but that wouldn't be something guaranteed by the First Amendment. Instead, it would be covered by the substantive component of due process. And, because this law does not compel a man to identify as a woman, that analysis would not apply to your hypo.
Instead in your hypo, the law discriminates against a man who identifies as a man as compared to a man who identifies as a woman. That might trigger some form of heightened scrutiny under the Equal Protection clause which the state might not be able to overcome.
“ I doubt it, but that wouldn't be something guaranteed by the First Amendment.”
Of course expressing how one identifies, and the underlying identification, is protected by the first amendment.
"IIUC the law would require him to be allowed into the spa if he identified as a woman, so he's suffering adverse legal consequences for declining to identify as a woman. Which he has a first amendment right not to do."
Whom would he sue? The spa operators do not act under color of law.
The fact that the state compels them to allow in individuals who express the required message creates the required nexus.
Assume I walk into the DMV to renew my license and when I am asked what I need I stand mute. They tell me that since I am not communicating, they can't help me. Is the government imposing an unconstitutional condition by forcing me to speak in order to get a new license?
In this example, the government is not compelling anyone to identify as a woman. One is only eligible for the particular private service if that individual is a biological woman or identifies as a woman. A person must communicate a status to gain entry otherwise the person on the other side is unaware if the person meets the eligibility requirements.
Examples abound....is presenting a membership card prohibited under your rule? Marriage is a right. Is asking the clerk for a marriage license application compelled speech?
“ Is the government imposing an unconstitutional condition by forcing me to speak in order to get a new license?”
What are they trying to get you to say? Your name? You don’t have a first amendment right to refuse to give your name.
You guys are splitting hairs between expression and the underlying thought.
Suppose the state only gave driver's licenses to people who like Trump. Do you guys not agree that such a restriction would violate the First Amendment? Restricting services to people violates the First Amendment in the same way.
In fact, any distinction based on “gender”as opposed to sex violates the first amendment.
Presumably, you'd be compelled to say "I need to renew my license" in order to renew your license, under your theory.
That’s not my theory.
Seriously - is the 9th that detached from understanding basic biology?
Can you elaborate, please? The panel majority was interpreting a state statute that it concluded (correctly, I think) bans discrimination based on gender identity. Maybe the Washington Legislature should have provided some privacy exceptions to that. But given the statute as it is, what exactly is the panel majority's error?
They don’t ban on the basis of gender identity.
They ban on the basis of penis.
"They don’t ban on the basis of gender identity.
"They ban on the basis of penis."
Where is the First Amendment issue there, Bubba Jones?
"no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"
Begging the question much, John Rohan?
My mistake - The problem is the drafting of the statute. Blame the legislature for embracing a delusional treatment of the mentally ill.
(28) "Sex" means gender.
(29) "Sexual orientation" means heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, and gender expression or identity. As used in this definition, "gender expression or identity" means having or being perceived as having a gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression, whether or not that gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression is different from that traditionally associated with the sex assigned to that person at birth.
They effectively ban women’s facilities of any kind?
Does that not conflict with federal laws in some way?
Yes, that is nutty, and contradicts the law also saying that it allows "gender-segregated facilities".
The categorical error was in conflating gender and sex.
Sports and restrooms should be segregated by sex.
Not by how you feel about your penis.
Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong!
Did I tell you you're Wrong?
"Gender" is a Grammatical term, "Sex" is whether you're XX or XY and have a Schlong or Va-J-J
as the Late Great Mrs. Dean Wormer might have said,
"Nouns have Gender, People have Sex" (they do? you could have fooled me)
Frank
What happened to all the talk by leftists declaring sex and gender identity were different? Just another lie to be cynically discarded once it's longer useful it seems from Eugene's reaction.
If you think gender identity is a thing for biologically separate spaces then you're a retard and utterly unmoored from reality, or you're just evil and forcing people into hostile spaces because you can is the point.
I think this is one of those, "the law is an ass" moments.
Yes. And it's the law.
Here's New York's brilliant Equal Rights Amendment passed last year (emphasis mine):
We passed a law, the meaning of which we can't even explain.
The First Amendment of biology is the right to adapt through small mutations.
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On the contrary, it's obvious to anyone with common sense that the comment is nerdy and hilarious.
It's obvious from the responses that hilarity is not among its attributes.
I have enough of sense of humor to tell this is objectively funny. You're just all lying or stupid, that's all.
Its funny. 🙂
A fairly silly attempt at a return, but I'll put the volley away.
There's no adaptation without successful reproduction. And humans and their ancestors have been reproducing via anisogamous sex for more than a billion years. Two sexes and that's all.
Uh, "health spas" that offer reproduction related activity for a fee tend to attract unwanted attention from police -- either seeking to arrest folks or, in the alternative, seeking freebie VIP treatment.
Or, this was a First Amendment case, not a biology case. And I was making fun of Joe_dallas for being too rage-filled to follow that difference.
The new version:
The First Amendment of gender is the right to adapt through small mutilations.
Contrast the case allowing a beauty contest to limit itself to XX women. The contest is expressive in a way that getting hot and sweaty isn't.
lol.
Up next. Transgender complaints that the right wing is causing conflict.
BLAME TERFs
This decision requires a remarkable amount to mental gymnastics to come to a conclusion that defies common sense, and is completely unworkable.
The patriarchy wins again!
Men get to decide if they can join a women’s club.
A man just has to say that he has adopted a female gender identity for the afternoon.
At least there is a dissent, but it goofy, as it tries to relate the decision to denying Chinese votes in 1853.
WLAD's governing regulations permit the maintenance of certain "gender-segregated facilities," such as "restrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms," and similar spaces, so long as the facility does not remove or otherwise take action against a person for reasons "[]related to their gender expression or gender identity."
I'm struggling with this bit. I assume that :
1. if you're in this exception you don't have to worry about the other stuff, and
2. that the "gender" in "gender-segregated facilities" is intended to mean gender in the how you feel sense, not in the synonym for sex sense. (If I'm wrong then obviously we get to the Spa's preferred answer quicker.)
So we've got - Mindy, a ciswoman, Brenda - a transwoman who has surgically transitioned by the lopping off of the willy, and Sue, another transwoman who has not yet surgically transitioned.
The Spa admits only "women" (in the gender sense) and so Mindy, Brenda and Sue are fine. Except for the exception. Who does the Spa exclude ? Just Sue. Why ? Because "she" has a willy. Are they excluding "her" for reasons "related to their gender expression or identity ?" Obviously not. It's just the willy. They aren't excluding Brenda who has a trans gender identity, just like Sue. But Brenda has no willy. So they let her in.
So since the reason for Sue's exclusion has nothing to do with "her" gender identity, and everything to do with "her" willy - how come the Spa doesn't win based on the exception ?
I guess genitals constitute an "appearance" if you're naked.
As a software dev, legal arguments hurt my brain, but IRL I think what this means in Washington State under WLAD has sort of been implementation of the negative, for example, a facility cannot deny transwomen access to the women's restroom, but the facility can create a third restroom for anyone that wants a private restroom. Of course, no one has the money or space to create a private restroom...
And let’s not forget Steve, a man, and Jim, a woman with gender dysphoria. The law allows both of them to be excluded because of their state of mind and expression thereof.
The first protects the right to identify as the gender one wishes without legal consequence.
I read that to mean that you can have gender-segregated facilities so long as you don’t enforce it.
I agree with you, but Neil Gorsuch has a Bostock for you to read. His tortured reading controlled the day nearly five years ago.
"So since the reason for Sue's exclusion has nothing to do with "her" gender identity, and everything to do with "her" willy - how come the Spa doesn't win based on the exception ?"
Because he is being excluded based on his sex.
This is crazy. But the craziness stems from the Washington Legislature, not the Ninth Circuit. The US Constitution does not deal with every insanity a state legislature comes up with.
This 9C decision says that any man can go to any women's spa by saying that he has a female gender identity. The 9C could have said that the legislative should have explicitly said that, if it really intended something so extreme.
The Ninth Circuit said that the legislature did explicitly say that. Do you disagree?
Yes I do, because the legislature also said that the law allows "gender-segregated facilities". The law seems to be a confused compromise that does not make much sense. In that case, the judges should find some reasonable interpretation.
The legislature did not, in fact, say that.
"This 9C decision says that any man can go to any women's spa by saying that he has a female gender identity."
On which page(s) of the opinion does it say that, Roger?
Have you even read the opinion? Yes or no?
Still waiting, Roger.
Have you read the Ninth Circuit opinion or not?
After reading the definitions in the statute - its clear the state of Washington legislature is wholely embracing one of the most evil and delusional mental health treatments.
So is Kamala Harris and the Democrat Party leaders.
Fortunately, bookkeeper_joe has the ability to put things into reasonable perspective.
I agree with this. It's a crazy result from a crazy statute. I sympathize with the business but as there is no right to have a nude massage club the state can regulate it how it pleases within reason, including these reasons. Vote for new representatives or move.
A nude spa is not an intimate association according to two of these three judges. Just tattoo "idiot" on their foreheads.
The problem is that the right to intimate association, as recognized by the Court, doesn't cover all situations where people gather in ways that may be generally described as "intimate." Here's the key excerpt from the key precedent, Roberts v. U.S. Jaycees (1984) (some paragraph breaks added), which the panel majority was applying:
My takeaway from the Jaycees case was that the organization was so well respected in the community that the exclusion of women caused them real harm and loss of opportunity. For that reason, the state law overrode any intimate associational rights the Jaycees may have.
Here, I don't see a powerful and legitimate state interest, but I also don't see a real associational right in a Korean nude club. As I said, I think that the general police power is enough in this case.
They are correct, as a matter of law. "Intimate association" is a term of art; it basically refers to a small and selected group of people. Private clubs, basically, of the sort where you have to be accepted for membership. Commercial businesses open to the public (or in this case, half of the public) are never going to be intimate associations as that doctrine applies to first amendment law. It can't be "intimate" in the sense of the 1A when anyone with a credit card is admitted.
Pass the brain bleach. I agree with you. 🙂
So, the parade of horribles that killed the ERA have arrived, despite defeating that amendment. Who would have guessed?
The parade of horribles lobbed against the ERA was that the amendment would have mandated same sex bathrooms. It seems that Washington has done that on its own. It could pass a sensible statute tomorrow, something it could arguably not do if the ERA passed.
I'm just noticing that defeating it wasn't sufficient. Apparently we should have followed that up with an anti-ERA just to make it stick.
In the end the only thing the ERA's opponents actually got wrong was thinking that defeating it was enough.
The Court has correctly recognized the batshit crazy legislation as written by the Washington legislature. What is required is for the federal judiciary, at the Supreme Court level, to have a case where it can issue a ruling that -- under federal law -- there are but two sexes, and that "gender" has no meaning apart from sex *within the law,* just as the UK has now done. But to fight this on First Amendment grounds is nuts. RBG is spinning in her grave. And the Democrats continue their political suicide tour...
> But to fight this on First Amendment grounds is nuts.
as not a lawyer, seems not unreasonable to see the practice of one on one massage as expressive (*) in a way that baking a generic cake (sans message) is not
(*) expresses the practitioner's various modalities and theories that many went to school, and go to continuing education and think is part and parcel of their core beliefs
The complaint seems to stem from the naked mingling of the clientele.
Being naked during a massage isn’t at all unusual.
The dissenting judge posits that the statute is inapplicable here at all. At footnote 1 he opines: "And because I believe that WLAD does not apply here, I would not consider the Spa’s constitutional challenges to WLAD."
He curiously does not explain how, if that is correct, the Plaintiffs nevertheless have Article III standing to assert First Amendment claims in federal court. If the statute does not apply to this business, then the Plaintiffs have sustained no injury in fact attributable to the conduct of the Defendants, and the remedy would be to dismiss the complaint.
From the opinion:
"Washington’s Human Rights Commission (“HRC”) initiated an enforcement action against the Spa based on the Spa’s policy of granting entry to only “[b]iological women” and excluding, in addition to men, preoperative transgender women who have not yet received gender confirmation surgery affecting their genitalia."
The Washington HRC was asserting a law against the spa. That's an injury in fact.
From the opinion (p. 12):
The dissent's approach would be to relitigate the correctness of the state administrative proceedings regarding questions of state law. That is not something that inferior federal courts have jurisdiction to do.
Right. It's a dogshit law that was correctly applied. In my kingdom the law would be repealed, but it doesn't suffer from a constitutional defect.
I agree the law needs to be amended so that statutorily permissible sex-segregated places of public accommodation aren't required to admit someone of the opposite sex where 1) visible nudity occurs, and 2) the person of the opposite sex has not had a sex-change operation.
On the other hand, I'm OK with the law requiring statutorily permissible sex-segregated places of public accommodation to admit a person of the opposite sex whose gender identity does not match their sex when either 1) they are post-op, or 2) no visible nudity occurs (e.g., a restroom where the person uses a toilet behind a closed barrier).
"Transgender Patrons with Penises"???
Why don't you just say "Men"?? saves a lot of typing
Frank "Man with a Penis last time I checked (checking now) Yep, it's still there!"
Because NewSpeak prohibits mentioning that anybody who claims to be a woman is a man.
One comment says the Supreme Court doesn't recognize "economic freedom."
The Supreme Court does so in various respects, including involving the Takings Clause and due process rights involving property rights. Ditto certain cases involving executive power.
As explained in comments, "intimate association" constitutionally under current precedent involves small groups with special connections, such as a family or group of friends.
A business like this would not fit under those terms.
A spa business is "intimate" in some sense, but as EV stated, the interest people are probably aiming for here is privacy rights. That might provide a limit to the reach of an equal access law.
(A bathroom can be set up to provide privacy. Shower stalls also. A nude spa like this could be a special case.)
But the lawsuit here appeals to the First Amendment. The other 1A claims are rightly rejected. State religious liberty protections might be broader in scope but this applies the 1A.
I don’t think the explicit textual exemption the Legislature placed in the statute could have been any clearer.
The 9th Circuit here is doing a sort of analog of the classic National Monument strategy, in which if Congress passes a law agencies don’t like, the agencies implement it in a manner designed to be as annoying to the public as possible, thereby inducing the public to pressure Congress to repeal the law. It’s called the Washington Monument Strategy because the classic exemplar is the park service responding to budget cuts by closing highly visible landmarks like the Washington Monument.
Perhaps this strategy will be successful for these 9th Circuit judges. Perhaps, by construing civil rights laws in the most annoying possible ways, specifically designed to make people angry, they will succeed in putting enough pressure on legislatures to get them to repeal civil rights laws entirely.
Which seems to be what they want. What else could it be? What other motive but a Washington Monument Strategy designed to generate public pressure to repeal civil rights laws could explain a decision like this?
Wikipedia calls it Washington Monument Syndrome.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_syndrome
The Washington Human Rights Commission appears to have similar motives. They seem to be ideologically opposed to civil rights and don’t want Washington to have civil rights laws. So they initiated this Washington Monument Strategy to help generate public pressure to get rid of them. It’s not like the legislature could create an exception. It already did, and doing so was useless. They are trying to force it to repeal the entire thing.
I don't see that. These types of bureaucracies love their power and in addition they are left leaning and approve of this result.
Also Korean nude massage parlors aren't exactly the most sympathetic plaintiffs.
The law seems odd in that it permits sex/gender segregated restrooms and bathing areas. But it then guts the provision by allowing men who simply identify as women to enter the women's area. But that is a consequence of the trans ideology which has been debated to death elsewhere.
I think you're underestimating the extent to which this is being driven by true believers in this insanity, who genuinely want to make it legally impossible to not treat men as women, and visa versa, if they claim to be women. They want biological reality to be treated as legally irrelevant, and asserted state of mind to be controlling.
The opinion basically called them idiots for challenging the HRC on the wrong grounds. Whatever lawyer thought 1A was the best argument needs to be re-schooled.
Yes. We get the title of this post & some "this is so stupid" while the real problem is the bad vehicle used.
Likewise, any principle is going to have tricky applications. The principle isn't necessarily a stupid "ideology" for that reason.
You are going to have to draw certain lines, especially around the margins. When the right vehicle is used, we can do that.
JFC, WA
As much as I deplore the outcome of this case, I can't help thinking that this sort of thing is an inevitable outcome of anti-discrimination laws, and yet another example of why such laws ought to be eliminated.
And Judge Lee, however well-meaning, needs to work on that English prose a bit: "Now, women and girls as young as 13 years old must lay naked alongside individuals..." "Lay" is a transitive verb: one can lay bricks, lay eggs, lay down one's arms... It should've been "lie", which doesn't take a direct object and means "to assume a recumbent posture".