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The appalling consequences of presidential immunity.
Here, just for historical purposes, is the federal bribery statute (18 U.S.C. §201(b)), a heart-warming relic of the days when accepting a cash payment in exchange for committing an official act was considered disqualifying for public officials - even/especially for Presidents:
"Whoever, being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B) being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person; . . .
shall be fined under this title not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
Notoriously difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (though don't remind former Senator Bob Menendez of that!). I suppose that there are some readers who actually believe that Dear Leader's pardon of Paul Walczak was not "influenced" or "induced" by the $1,000,000 that his mother paid to Trump's PAC (MAGA, Inc.) a few weeks before the pardon was issued - that it simply reflects the soft spot in Dear Leader's heart for tax cheats who steal money from doctors and nurses (AKA "suckers") in order to buy yachts and other luxury goods.
I guess we'll never know for sure. To the best of my knowledge, the White House has not issued any statement regarding the pardon. And, of course, we'll never see Trump indicted for bribery, not just because the DOJ is not interested in pursuing charges against our D.L. or those who shower money upon him, but also because he is almost certainly acting within the presidential immunity announced last year in the [aptly-named] Trump v. United States case.
The opinion makes for interesting reading in light of this new grift Trump has concocted. As you no doubt recall, the Court found that there was a "presumptive immunity" from criminal prosecution for a President's "official acts" - acts within "the outer perimeter of his official responsibility." Such an immunity is "required to safeguard the independence and effective functioning of the Executive Branch, and to enable the President to carry out his constitutional duties without undue caution."
"An official act is one taken by the President pursuant to constitutional and statutory authority to perform the functions of his office. Determining whether an action is covered by immunity thus begins with assessing the President's authority to take that action. . . . In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President's motives."
"[C]ourts cannot examine the President's actions on subjects within his 'conclusive and preclusive' constitutional authority. It follows that an Act of Congress—either a specific one targeted at the President or a generally applicable one—may not criminalize the President's actions within his exclusive constitutional power. Neither may the courts adjudicate a criminal prosecution that examines such Presidential actions. We thus conclude that the President is absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for conduct within his exclusive sphere of constitutional authority."
And the pardon power, of course, is within the President's exclusive sphere of constitutional authority, given the express language in Article II of the Constitution that the President "shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States."
To the executive alone is intrusted the power of pardon, and the legislature cannot change the effect of such a pardon any more than the executive can change a law." The President's authority to pardon, in other words, is "conclusive and preclusive," "disabling the Congress from acting upon the subject."
I assume this means that our D.L. could set up a little pop-up stand near the White House, out in the open, and dispense pardons to anyone willing to pay the price he sets, and the only remedy available is impeachment.
It's a nice gig if you can get it, no?
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I understand that EV will be setting up an on line therapy sight for you and the other bloggers with severe TDS.
Take the help.
Shorter Bumble: "I know how awful and indefensible Trump is, but I'm too pathetic to admit it, so I will just make up fake things like 'TDS' to dodge the topic."
The site will be open to commenters, also. You should take advantage.
Being a pompous ass won't disqualify you.
In short, you have no substantive comment to make on the post but still want to sound clever.
Eh, he doesn't even sound clever, just cranky.
In fairness to Mr. Bumble, TDS is a real malady. The disagreement is just about who has it, and the specific pathologies that the disorder involves.
People shouldn’t be so hard on TDS. It’s a useful mental shortcut for the more soft-minded in the commentariat.
Instead of engaging with opposing or conflicting viewpoints— Bumble can just say “TDS” which obviates any need to engage further mentally. It’s a huge timesaver. Plus thinking is hard. It’s much more fun to write little ankle biting retorts and call other commenters “douche” repeatedly every single day.
Its not fake, you are just about its #1 victim. Maybe SRG2 betas you.
And right when you were getting over your severe case of Biden Derangement Syndrome you came down with a bad case of Kamala Derangement Syndrome! So sadz. 🙁
Professor Post, why don't you save a lot of ink, or bandwidth if you prefer, and just post "I HateTrump."
Any respond on the merits?
none. A chunk of Volokh's commentators are purely tribal. You are MAGA or you're an enemy. An enemy is to be mocked or crushed, not reasoned with.
Have at it.
When someone asks if you have any response on the merits “have at it” is a very confused reply.
“Any respond on the merits?”
There’s no evidence of a quid pro quo, so I don’t see the argument that Trump violated the statute, but morally it looks pretty bad, like the Marc Rich pardon. But those are the norms we’ve allowed.
I actually agree about the law, but yes it looks terrible (agreed like the Clinton pardon you mention).
I mean, there is evidence of a quid pro quo. He got the money and then immediately afterwards issued the pardon. When quid and quo appear in rapid succession, that's evidence of a quid pro quo.
If someone complains to HR about her boss sexually harassing her, and then a week later she's fired without explanation, that's sufficient to find retaliation; one doesn't need to find an email where the boss wrote, "I just found out she filed a complaint, so I'm firing her to get back at her."
OR you are overlooking the 34 fake felonies hung around Trump's neck. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/todd-julie-chrisleys-pardons-came-intervention-daughter-rcna209439
Could it be that he is more sympathetic to people who were prosecuted more because they were high profile than because of what they did?
I am indeed overlooking imaginary things. The 34 real felonies he was convicted of — and indisputably committed — though? What do they have to do with anything?
It could not be, because (a) Trump is incapable of basic human emotions like sympathy; and (b) that does not in fact describe any of the people he pardoned. And (c) if that were the case, why would take $1 million to get him to do it?
thePublius: Professor Post, why don't you save a lot of ink, or bandwidth if you prefer, and just post "I HateTrump."
Because who I do or don't hate is not, and should not be, of interest to anybody (outside of my circle of family and friends). Because I hate what he does, not who he is. And because he's bent on destroying much of what has made this country great - its Constitutional balance of power, its universities and research centers, its culture of inclusiveness and tolerance.
It's hard out there for the TDSers these days.
TDS, is there any better demonstration of every accusation is a confession?
Notably no one here seems to want to defend “woman gives million dollars to X, X pardons woman’s son” so they mumble TDS. Someone’s deranged!
Still waiting for "Any respond on the merits?"
from you or Botaglove.
Stop digging!
MAGA doesn't see the need to defend. Defending would require reasoned argument and that requires effort. MAGA prefers to use tired insults for mockery, the most efficient possible way of commenting.
Clear indication that they suffer from TDS
Its just a coincidence. Prove me wrong.
Such a compelling pardon case, his mom just happened to have ponied up a million bucks at the same time!
Still no proof I'm wrong.
I gave you the proof, woman gave money, her son then pardoned. It’s indefensible.
A million bucks will seem trivial in a few months. Elon skewed the bell curve with his 1/2Billion. I think the price for official acts will rise to $10M. Supply and demand
Yeah, it sounds pretty bad. No defense is coming to mind.
Remind us, what was the defense to”woman gives million dollars to X, X pardons woman’s husband”?
Maybe that will provide food for thought.
grb provides some distinguishing facts below.
I think you’re misreading Trump and § 201. Granting a pardon is an official act and a president can’t be prosecuted for issuing one. But the prohibited action under § 201 isn’t taking the official action: it’s accepting the payment. That isn’t an official act, and so a president could be prosecuted for doing it (setting aside any kooky Seth Barrett Tillman officer-type arguments).
Except that according to Trump, the fact that he issued the pardon isn't even admissible in court!
Doesn’t footnote 3 say exactly the opposite?
But at any rate, my point is that actually issuing the pardon wouldn’t be an element of the crime in the first place.
Being influenced in the performance of an official act is an element of the crime. A prosecutor can submit evidence that the President issued a pardon, and that he accepted money, but how can you show a connection between them beyond a reasonable doubt when you aren't permitted to "inspect the President’s motivations for his official actions"?
"What the prosecutor may not do, however, is admit testimony or private records of the President or his advisers probing the official act itself. Allowing that sort of evidence would invite the jury to inspect the President’s motivations for his official actions and to second-guess their propriety."
Doesn't something along the lines of "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, on March 10th Ms. Smith donated $1M to the president's PAC, and the next day the president pardoned convicted serial child molester Mr. Smith. Draw your own conclusions." seem to be inviting a jury to second-guess the propriety of the pardon??
Yes it is, they specifically mentioned this in the majority opinion because of the dissenting opinion.
edited... thanks to Noscitur a sociis for the actual quote.
Yes. But.
Taking campaign donations from people. And voting in their favor. Are pretty mundane political actions.
No one buys a dinner with a politician without expecting some sort of ROI.
This is arguably the kind of second guessing that the ruling was intended to prevent.
Which is why we need to make better choices about whom we elect.
True, but granting a pardon to a specific person is designed to benefit that particular person, unlike laws that could theoretically have some public benefit.
Your interpretation would cover all bribes, which is peculiar given that the Constitution specifically made bribery an impeachable offense.
I think YOU are failing to understand that Meritless Garland created a monster, and that this is a different form of jury nullification.
David is clearly engaged in fair minded, even handed an unbiased evaluation of the law and facts, as shown by his repeatedly referring to the president as dear leader.
You have no substantive response, do you?
Nor, apparently do you or Malika.
I support the original post. You object to it, without providing any substantive response. So why is that my burden now, for you?
He refers to himself as the King…
Want some cheese with your whine?
Nothing but insults implies nothing to say.
Botaglove:Nothing but insults implies nothing to say.
Exactly. Bob from Ohio has a long history of cleverly avoiding ever talking about the merits of anything. Nothing to say about all that, I guess. Or put differently: I guess he and the others are OK with a president selling pardons. I respect their right to hold ridiculous opinions - I just wish they'd try to defend them every once in a while.
IOW, the moronic idea to prosecute Trump under a laughably dubious set of facts has rebounded and blown up in the faces of all the mid-wits who supported it.
Gee... that never happens.
Remember, Trump isn't consistently clobbering you because of how smart he is. Trump is consistently clobbering you because of how dumb you are. That's why you respond to him the way you do.
even if not immune trump could potentially pardon himself for it before leaving office OR if worried that wouldn't stick he could declare himself unfit for 5 minutes and have Vance put the pardon through.
if trump v. us had been decided the other way and then the prosecution had continued (but then stalled because trump was elected-note likely wasn't enough time to continue on that schedule before election anyway), trumps new criminal actions in his 2nd term (if any) would just become immune through the pardon power rather than any court case.
Bob Jones:if trump v. us had been decided the other way and then the prosecution had continued (but then stalled because trump was elected-note likely wasn't enough time to continue on that schedule before election anyway), trumps new criminal actions in his 2nd term (if any) would just become immune through the pardon power rather than any court case.
Not following you here. If the Court had gone the other way, Trump's accepting $1 million to issue a pardon could have been prosecuted, after he left office, as bribery.
Comments from the cultists are as expected.
Zero discussion of the legality or ethics of the pardon. (The whataboutery hasn't yet begun, but will soon.) Just some random insults, references to TDS, and and irrelevant and stupid comment about the Trump prosecutions.
At this point insults are all they got, but it doesn't really seem to bother them. They think they've won, and if you win you don't have to reason with losers.
"(The whataboutery hasn't yet begun, but will soon.)"
As you wish.
Marc Rich
Talk about deranged.
I know, right?
This guy had been convicted and was prepared to serve his sentence. Marc Rich was a fugitive from justice at the time of his pardon. Hardly a fair comparison, amirite?
It’s deranged to defend something today by pointing to something decades ago. They don’t excuse or justify each other.
Okay let's cite Joe Biden threatening aid to Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma, who employed Biden's son to the tune of a million dollars, was fired. We even have video of Biden bragging about the threat.
That did not actually happen regardless of the extent to which the MAGA moral world is built on this fiction.
And to respond to your tiresome rebuttal. The prosecutor Biden pushed to get fired (with the support of Obama and the EU) wasn't going to investigate Hunter for corruption. If anything, the opposite.
Try reading websites that don't already align with your point of view.
Had that happened the same principle applies. Are you so lacking in logic and principle that you thought it was the time between that was the issue? It’s that citing someone else doing a similar bad thing doesn’t excuse or justify the other guy’s doing it.
Then why is it enshrined as "precedent" in the law?
What a massive equivocation.
Hey, at least he hasn’t pardoned his son yet. You guys defended that.
Pianist is fairly careful, hence the “yet” I guess.
I actually think pardoning one’s son is a whole lot more sympathetic than either this or the Rich one.
Bob from Ohio : "Marc Rich"
It would be an interesting exercise to compare the Rich pardon with the one for Walczak. Let's start the process :
1. No doubt the Rich pardon was affected by money like - say - Armond Hammer's during a previous GOP administration. The jaded side of my nature finds that obvious. However, there's a caveat to consider. The financial contributions were all from Rich's ex-wife, Denise. She was a long-time generous supporter of Democrats both before and after those individual donation people picked-out as a "bribe". In effect, she was a continuous flowing river of cash (for good!) and people select one single moment for their emphasis. What would Heraclitus say to that?
It would be interesting to see if anything remotely similar exists with the Walczak case.
2. And - of course - there was substantial support for the Rich pardon. This included the monarch of Spain, King Juan Carlos I, but was mostly well-known Israeli and American Jewish figures. Among the prominent Jewish leaders writing to Clinton were Shlomo Ben-Ami, Israel's former foreign minister and Rabbi Irving Greenberg, chairman of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council. Many senior Israeli officials, such as Shimon Peres, Ehud Olmert, and a former head of the Mossad, Shabtai Shavi, wrote to Clinton requesting a Rich pardon. The Prime Minister of Israeli at the time, Ehud Barak, made a personal plea.
It would be interesting to see if anything remotely similar exists with the Walczak case.
3. And Ehud Barak's request carried weight. He had taken a major political risk at Clinton's request to pursue peace with the Palestinians and it had gone poorly. Of course what Barak really wanted was a pardon of Jonathan Pollard, the former U.S. Navy intelligence officer then serving a life sentence for espionage. And those who lived thru that era remember Clinton's White House raising a trial balloon on Pollard and getting a stinging angry response from the U.S. Intelligence community. Rich was less risky.
It would be interesting to see if anything remotely similar exists with the Walczak case.
So yeah - the two cases are remarkably similar in everything except the facts.
If you read the New Republic story you will see that the dame who paid the money, apparently for a seat at a dinner, like the other attenders, and who was the pardoned guy’s Mom, was a long time big money Trump donor.
The natural conclusion to draw from this is that a million bucks buys you time with Trump at a dinner, or someone very close to him, and that allows you to argue “Pardon my Paulie, it’s so unfair.” Or “those regs you’re pushing are really hurting my vacuum cleaner business and the 5,000 registered voters who I employ.”
You buy an audience with the King. He may grant your request or not, depending on his own opinion. Obviously no other US politician except Trump has ever sold audiences 🙂
Of course it could be a straightforward bribe, but if I was as rich as Trump, and as touchy, I’d be insulted by the notion that I could be bought for a measly million.
FYI - should I be elected President at any point, I’m liable to look pretty favorably on petitions for pardons for tax offenses. They’re trying to confiscate your stuff, there’s nothing morally reprehensible about trying to avoid their grab. It may be illegal, but hardly immoral.
Lee Moore : " ... and who was the pardoned guy’s Mom, was a long time big money Trump donor."
Four Points:
1. As I read your quote on Walczak's mother, it addresses my Point 1 above. Our lax rules on politicians and Big Money make it an important distinction whether you're a long-term financial supporter or dump a wad of cash right before the favor you're trying to purchase. As I noted, a similar example was the pardon for Armand Hammer, who had supported the GOP for decades before he got his pardon.
2. And the Hammer pardon is similar to Rich's in another way: GHW Bush could point to other significant justifications for his action. Hammer had performed public service. Of course cash played its part the same as it did with Rich, but there were clear and factual reasons besides the political ones.
3. And in my opinion, the Rich pardon was mainly political for the points I listed above. There were a couple of other equally political pardons issued at the same time - one for four Hasidic men from New York and the other for the son of a prominent Democratic politician in California. Both had even less legal or ethical justification than Rich's pardon, but there was zero money to be found anywhere near them, so they were mostly ignored.
4. I can't be sure who you'd pardon if elected president and - fair warning - I don't think you'd get my vote. But if you are like Trump, you'll repeatedly pardon sleazy corrupt grifting politicians out of fellowship. And you'll never stop looking for ways to monetize public office. Because if you're like Trump, you are a lifelong criminal who regularly breaks the law. Even if it's meaningless, counterproductive or stupid, you'll break the law just for sport.
Strangely enough, I was musing on this monetizing public office thing, before you mentioned it. It seems to me that a politico nickel'n diming payoffs for favors is much more likely if that's his only line of business. His top line is necessarily derived from $100,000 there, a book advance there, a mill there, picked up on regular basis by your bag men, throughout your career.
And once you're already in that business, you can't really exit and become squeaky clean. "I am in [graft] Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er. "
But if you're already wealthy from some actual businesses with actual customers, you're less likely to see political office as a money tree. Can you really bribe a billionaire with a measly million ? Yes, I think you can - if accepting bribes is how he got to be a billionaire. But if he got his billion in real estate, hotels and TV shows ? Why bother diversifying into selling your office for - what is for you - a few nickels?
PS I still enjoy this story. It's so delicious :
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/06/hillary-clinton-cattle-futures-windfall/
I can't be sure who you'd pardon if elected president
The ones convicted of things that shouldn't be offenses.
and - fair warning - I don't think you'd get my vote.
It's OK, I'm not counting on it.
The best use of these articles is to identify whom to mute.
Highly recommend.
Meanwhile:
Appeals court slams brakes on sweeping order that blocked most Trump tariffs
https://nypost.com/2025/05/29/us-news/federal-appeals-court-stays-sweeping-order-that-blocked-most-of-trump-tariffs/
Markets yawn.
Federal circuit. The D.C. Circuit hasn't stayed the other decision yet.
also trump v us seemed to clearly leave open prosecutions for bribery for some offical acts as noted in coments above.
"Sentence now, verdict later said the queen."
I know what they were convicted of, but I would like to know the circumstances. I'd like to know what Trump's rationale was, if it were a naked quid pro quo, or if there were legitimate reasons for a Presidental pardon, other than the cash donation.
The timing may be unfortunate, but it *is* possible that the donation would have been made anyway -- or not -- and the question I ask is if his mother has a habit of making million dollar contributions to PACs? How wealthy is she, i.e. how much of her wealth was this?
I would think that honest lawyers would seek the answer to these questions before immediately jumping to conclusions -- which well may be right, but also may not be.
“The timing may be unfortunate”
Jeez, even Ed can see it.
“The question I ask is if his mother has a habit of making million dollar contributions to PACs?”
She did not. According to the New York Times, her largest prior contribution was a $100,000 contribution to the RNC in 2002.
“How wealthy is she, i.e. how much of her wealth was this?”
That seems less relevant, and the answer doesn’t appear to be publicly known. She is not on the Forbes list of billionaires.
"and the only remedy available is impeachment"
Setting aside everything else, what is wrong with impeachment as a remedy?
Impeachment gets an unfit person out of office — which is good — but it is not punishment for a criminal act.
Post needs to not post when he has had something to drink.
This has happened before and it will happen again. Good god it is tiring to hear people bitching about what Trump has done when it has been done multiple times before.
As a president, it is apparently a perk of the job. If this is the first time you have noticed, that's your problem.
It’s no defense of something to say others have done it. I’m betting most Trump fans think Clinton was a scuzzbum, saying “hey, whatabout Clinton” is a poor defense for such a person. That you think it’s a perk of the job to do things like this speaks more of your broken cynicism.
Then you misunderstand. I have no problem with someone who says something is wrong and has recognized and been consistent with that stance under any administration. They at least recognize that it has been wrong for a while.
If someone failed or fails to see similar activity by someone else as bad then they are hypocrites but that’s no defense of either person’s acts. Wrong doesn’t become right because some other guy did it too and someone hypocritically failed to condemn it.
I take it, then, that you didn't bitch when Hunter got a consulting job in Ukraine....which seems kinda quaint now don't you think?
Hunter was such a low rent loser in hindsight.
His paintings should have sold for so much more if Jill had just played ball with a few executive orders.
it is apparently a perk of the job.
Accepting bribes is a perk of being president? That would be news to the Founders.
If Pres. Trump did something really bad, then I would expect to start seeing comments about how Kamala Harris would have been a better President.
Kamala would have been bad within normal parameters.
Instead we’ll get president AOC rounding up white males and sending them to coal mines.
I’ll vote for that.
Harris would have been a good President. She would have been a normal Democrat. Bonus points for her not being a fascist.
Maybe she would have let Jill and Hunter continue to run the White House.
I mean...this just doesn't even rank anymore.
The pardon power has been abused. Marc Rich, Hunter Biden, Roger Clinton, Peter Yarrow, Oscar López Rivera, Jimmy Hoffa.
Paul Walczak...just doesn't even really rank.
MAGA thought at its purest. My enemies have done something I find distasteful (though see the longer post about Rich above) Therefore my friends and president are allowed to do anything they like.
Payback is your only ethical guide.
It’s not any kind of morality. It’s an internal permission structure to excuse and condone unacceptable behavior.
I also wonder if any of these people have kids. The excuse making is so childish, it reminds me of 8-10 year olds.
“Oh maybe I didn’t clean my room but Tommy down the street punched his sister, which is way worse!”
Seriously— would you accept this kind of reasoning from your child? It’s absurd.
Correct. Payback is their stated principle. Their actual moral guide is dominating the weaker and truckling to the stronger, i.e. Daddy.
They defend Trump's pardon because he is strong and does what they want to do - get away with it.
It's not "MAGA", it's just normalization.
Yes, it was distasteful. Marc Rich was distasteful. Did it have any real effect? No. Did any of Clinton's supporters suddenly abandon him or his wife over it? No. Hunter Biden was distasteful. After swearing up and down he wouldn't pardon his son, then Joe did so. Did Joe's supporters suddenly abandon him over it? No.
You want to make a case that this really matters, and "something should be done about it"....then do that. But do it with both sides. If it only matters when "the other side" does it....you don't really care. It just normalizes the behavior.
It's not payback. This particular person did some tax fraud...not particularly heinous. Not like he was sexually abusing minors, or engaging in terrorism against the US, or giving away critical national security secrets. And...I just don't care.
It's bribery, otherwise criminal, not distasteful like breaking a promise not to pardon a child who would otherwise be investigated to hell by a vindictive and weaponized DOJ.
And MAGA thrives on normalization. They insist criminality has been "normalized" so they can do their own, regardless of whatever half understood or mostly inapplicable examples they have to drag up to justify their behavior.
"I don't care" - how convenient. Not caring about your criminal president makes everything else about being MAGA easy.
"It's bribery, otherwise criminal, not distasteful like breaking a promise not to pardon a child who would otherwise be investigated to hell by a vindictive and weaponized DOJ."
Like I mentioned...I don't care. You can trust the DOJ and the process of law...or don't. You can hold Clinton accountable for "Bribery" ...or don't.
But pretending it's suddenly of concern now... just doesn't register.
Few things are more corrosive in politics than the conviction that you have been wronged so much that you're justified in breaking all the rules to get even.
You don't get it. It's not "getting even".
It's that the rules have been so utterly broken already, that I don't care at this minor transgression. It's seeing repeated issues of people drunk driving, reckless driving, speeding at 100 MPH through school zones...and then you're calling out someone for speeding at 10 MPH over the speed limit.
It just doesn't register. It's not "getting even'. It's we've seen so much worse, that this sudden concern doesn't register.
You’ve been exclusively pointing left since you started posting here. You never cared to look right, much less criticize anything they did.
Only look left. And get real mad.
Now you think you can justify yourself. You can’t. It’s a tired tantrum that has never worked for anyone.
This is more you admitting what you have always been.
Why is accepting a million dollars for a pardon less heinous than pardoning your son who is likely to be criminally investigated because he is your son? Or pushing the Qataris to give you a plane? Or letting your son in law muck around in foreign policy in exchange for being put in charge of an investment fund? Or selling memecoins in exchange for access? Or for that matter putting a $5 million dollar price tag on access ? Why are all these less heinous?
And for that matter, how would I today express concern about whatever you think Clinton did? And how do you know I didn't? And wasn't that the subject of a lot of concern by a lot of people at the time?
And your current theory that rule breaking in the past means there's no rules now, - that doesn't worry you ? So nihilistic.
“not particularly heinous”
Wow. A Trumpist excusing white collar financial crimes, including tax fraud. Truly stunning!
“engaging in terrorism against the US”
Um. Hilarious example. He pardoned and commuted the sentences of adjudicated terrorists on his first day!!!
Oscar López Rivera,
Does that make you feel better?
A million bucks seems like a lot, but this pardon saves him— by days— from having to fork over the $4+ million he was supposed to pay in restitution!
As noted in a comment, just how much Trump v. U.S. blocks a prosecution is unclear.
A major concern of that case is that it puts what should be a clear thing -- the ability to prosecute general crimes after a president leaves office -- in confusion with a bunch of constitutionally dubious roadblocks.
It makes something already very hard realistically to do that much more difficult. Just how difficult is hard to know.
Multiple people who lean Trump's way acknowledge the pardon here looks bad. One thing to do is to suggest "oh well, both sides do it." As an in-depth analysis of Marc Rich's pardon in the thread shows that one commonly cited "whatabout" is far from typical for multiple reasons. And it happened at the end, not the beginning of the presidency. This time it is much more blatant.
Plus, there are already multiple examples of tainted pardons* with as Sarcastro has noted it openly declared that the pardon power is being openly weaponized. Past presidents, of whatever party, (at least in recent memory) were just not that blatant.
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* I put aside the 1/6 group that is uniquely horrible.
Sorry Joe...
Not acknowledging Joe's pardons for his family and other for "any and all (nonviolent) crimes for the last 10 years"... It just utterly broke the mold. Nothing Trump can do would even come close.
I fully expect Trump to issue the same in 2028 for himself, his family, and any of his buddies, if not sooner. And there will be much kvetching.
Biden did it to protect his family from unjust attacks.
I know some disagree with the "unjust" part, but even then, it was a rather understandable human thing to do at the end of the term.
Failed 'whataboutism' about how the pardon power was weaponized in recent memory.
That President Biden's last minute pardons also protected his family and political allies from just prosecution is merely serendipity.
Using the pardon power to reward political allies and contributors is not new. Denise Rich bought Marc Rich's pardon from President Clinton for $1 million (to the DNC) back in 2001, plus $100,000 to Hilary Clinton's Senate campaign and $400,000 to the Clinton Library. That's $2.7 million in 2025 dollars. I don't recall calls for his prosecution back then, just disgust at the blatant corruption.
Let us join together and express our disgust for this run-of-the-mill act of corruption, and then move on with our lives.
Marc Rich's pardon was a scandal at the time - I was a kid back then and remember it was a scandal.
That's not going to be the ticket to normalizing Trump's corruption.
I agree that it was a scandal at the time, and said as much ("disgust at the blatant corruption"). It was a scandal without any consequences for President Clinton, legal or otherwise.
This form of corruption was normalized long before President Trump practiced it. It will continue long after he is gone.
"Biden did it to protect his family from unjust attacks."
Sorry Joe, no. You either have faith in the US Justice system to fairly, honestly, and evenly hand out justice...or you don't.
As the sitting President, Biden presided over the first ever Federal Prosecution of an ex-President...standing over the entire Department of Justice. For him to turn around and say "I have no faith in the US Justice System to justly decide any of my families potential crimes, so they need PREEMPTIVE pardons (in addition to pardoning my convicted son)....while simultaneously using that "unjust" justice system to prosecute his literal political opponent.
It is simply so corrupt and hypocritical to be beyond belief.
He can still be impeached. That is unreviwable.
“Democracy does not guarantee the people the best government. It merely guarantees them the government they deserve.”
What did we do to deserve this?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
One has to learn not to vomit when dealing with this one. One has to be able to keep food down to survive.
There’s a rumor going around that Trump didn’t shake the West Point graduates’ hands because they refused to shake his. I hope it’s true.