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We Won Our Tariff Case!
The Court of International Trade just issued a decision striking down Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs and other IEEPA tariffs.
The US Court of International Trade just issued a unanimous ruling in the case against Trump's "liberation day" tariffs filed by Liberty Justice Center and myself on behalf of five US businesses harmed by the tariffs. The ruling also covers the case filed by twelve states led by Oregon; they, too, have prevailed on all counts. All of Trump's tariffs adopted under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) are invalidated as beyond the scope of executive power, and their implementation blocked by a permanent injunction. In addition to striking down the "Liberation Day" tariffs challenged in our case (what the opinion refers to as the "Worldwide and Retaliatory Tariffs"), the court also ruled against the fentanyl-related tariffs imposed on Canada, Mexico, and China (which were challenged in the Oregon case; the court calls them the "Trafficking Tariffs"). See here for the court's opinion.

It is worth noting that the panel include judges appointed by both Republican and Democratic presidents, including one (Judge Reif) appointed by Trump, one appointed by Reagan (Judge Restani), and one by Obama (Judge Katzmann).
Here is the court's summary of its ruling, from its per curiam opinion (issued in the name of all three judges together):
The Constitution assigns Congress the exclusive powers to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises," and to "regulate Commerce with foreign Nations." U.S. Const. art. I, § 8, cls. 1, 3. The question in the two cases before the court is whether the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 ("IEEPA") delegates these powers to the President in the form of authority to impose unlimited tariffs on goods from nearly every country he court does not read IEEPA to confer such unbounded authority and sets aside the challenged tariffs imposed thereunder.
From the very beginning, I have contended that the virtually limitless nature of the authority claimed by Trump is a key reason why courts must strike down the tariffs. See, e.g., my Lawfare article, "The Constitutional Case Against Trump's Trade War." I am glad to see the CIT judges agreed with our argument on this point!
The court elaborated further on the statutory point:
Underlying the issues in this case is the notion that "the powers properly belonging to oneof the departments ought not to be directly and completely administered by either of the other departments." Federalist No. 48 (James Madison). Because of the Constitution's express allocation of the tariff power to Congress, see U.S. Const. art. I, § 8, cl. 1, we do not read IEEPA to delegate an unbounded tariff authority to the President. We instead read IEEPA's provisions to impose meaningful limits on any such authority it confers. Two are relevant here. First, § 1702's delegation of a power to "regulate . . . importation," read in light of its legislative history and Congress's enactment of more narrow, non-emergency legislation, at the very least does not authorize the President to impose unbounded tariffs. The Worldwide and Retaliatory Tariffs lack any identifiable limits and thus fall outside the scope of § 1702.
Second, IEEPA's limited authorities may be exercised only to "deal with an unusual and extraordinary threat with respect to which a national emergency has been declared . . . and may not be exercised for any other purpose." 50 U.S.C. § 1701(b) (emphasis added). As the Trafficking Tariffs do not meet that condition, they fall outside the scope of § 1701.
It also ruled that an unlimited delegation of tariff authority would be unconstitutional:
The Constitution provides that "[a]ll legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States." U.S. Const. art. 1, § 1. Congress is empowered "[t]o make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" its general powers. Id. § 8, cl. 18. The Constitution thus establishes a separation of powers between the legislative and executive branches that the Framers viewed as essential to the preservation of individual liberty. See, e.g., The Federalist No. 48 (James Madison). To maintain this separation of powers, "[t]he Congress manifestly is not permitted to abdicate or to transfer to others the essential legislative unctions with which it is thus vested." Pan. Refining Co. v. Ryan, 293 U.S. 388, 421 (1935); see also Marshall Field & Co. v. Clark, 143 U.S. 649, 692 (1892).
The parties cite two doctrines—the nondelegation doctrine and the major questions
doctrine—that the judiciary has developed to ensure that the branches do not impermissibly abdicate their respective constitutionally vested powers. Under the nondelegation doctrine, Congress must "lay down by legislative act an intelligible principle to which the person or body authorized to fix such [tariff] rates is directed to conform." J.W. Hampton, Jr., 276 U.S. at 409 (1928); see also Pan. Refining, 293 U.S. at 429–30. A statute lays down an intelligible principle when it "meaningfully constrains" the President's authority. Touby v. United States, 500 U.S. 160, 166 (1991)… Under the major questions doctrine, when Congress delegates powers of "'vast economic and political significance,'" it must "speak clearly." Ala. Ass'n of Realtors v. HHS, 594 U.S. 758, 764 (2021) (quoting Util. Air Regul. Grp. v. EPA, 573 U.S. 302, 324 (2014))….The separation of powers is always relevant to delegations of power between the branches. Both the nondelegation and the major questions doctrines, even if not directly applied to strike down a statute as unconstitutional, provide useful tools for the court to interpret statutes so as to avoid constitutional problems. These tools indicate that an unlimited delegation of tariff authority would constitute an improper abdication of legislative power to another branch of government. Regardless of whether the court views the President's actions through the nondelegation doctrine, through the major questions doctrine, or simply with separation of powers in mind, any interpretation of IEEPA that delegates unlimited tariff authority is unconstitutional.
Nondelegation and major questions were crucial elements of our case against the tariffs, and I am happy to see they played a role in the decision.
The Court also rejected the government's claim that president has unreviewable authority to determine whether there is a "national emergency" and "unusual and extraordinary threat" justifying the invocation of IEEPA:
IEEPA requires more than just the fact of a presidential finding or declaration: "The authorities granted to the President by section 1702 of this title may only be exercised to deal with an unusual and extraordinary threat with respect to which a national emergency has been declared for purposes of this chapter and may not be exercised for any other purpose." 50 U.S.C. § 1701(b) (emphasis added). This language, importantly, does not commit the question of whether IEEPA authority "deal[s] with an unusual and extraordinary threat" to the President's judgment. It does not grant IEEPA authority to the President simply when he "finds" or "determines" that an unusual and extraordinary threat exists. Cf., e.g., Silfab Solar, 892 F.3d at 1349 (collecting cases involving "statute[s] authoriz[ing] a Presidential 'determination'"); United States v. George S. Bush & Co., 310 U.S. 371, 376–77 (1940).
Section 1701 is not a symbolic festoon; it is a "meaningful[] constrain[t] [on] the
President's discretion," United States v. Dhafir, 461 F.3d 211, 216 (2d Cir. 2006) (internal quotation marks, alteration, and citation omitted). It sets out "the happening of the contingency on which [IEEPA powers] depend," and the court will give it its due effect. The Aurora, 11 U.S. (7 Cranch) 382, 386 (1813).
The court issued a permanent injunction against implementation of the various IEEPA tariffs. That means they are blocked with respect to all importers, not just the plaintiffs in the two cases.
There is more to the court's ruling, and I will have more to say soon (including about the appellate process, as the government will surely appeal). But the bottom line is a major victory in the legal battle against these harmful and illegal tariffs.
UPDATE: I have made minor additions to this post.
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The judiciary doesn't believe Trump has any authority at all. Not surprising. Let's see what the D.C Circuit does.
Literally nothing, as appeals from the Court are heard by the Federal Circuit.
Thought that circuit only heard IP stuff, learned something new today, thanks.
The citation of Article I Section 1 giving lawmaking power to the legislature, and the citation of the non-delegation doctrine is quite ironic. These apply to Trump, but not to judicial review by the court. The repeal of a law is lawmaking. The self serving, oblivious stupidity of the lawyer is awesome.
"The citation of Article I Section 1 giving lawmaking power to the legislature, and the citation of the non-delegation doctrine is quite ironic. These apply to Trump, but not to judicial review by the court. The repeal of a law is lawmaking. The self serving, oblivious stupidity of the lawyer is awesome."
The repeal of a law is lawmaking, which is a function reserved to Congress. Judicial review by a court does not involve repeal. Where a court determines that a law is unconstitutional, it remains on the books unless and until it is repealed by Congress.
Enforcement of such a law is a distinct matter. A court may or may not issue an injunction prohibiting enforcement; a judicial declaration (at least one by SCOTUS) will ordinarily suffice.
And the current composition of the Federal Circuit Court does not bode will for the administration's argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit#Current_composition_of_the_court
If the President of the United States does not have power to unilaterally impose tax hikes across the American public for no reason, what power does he truly have???
And screw the DC Circuit/Federal Circuit, I can't wait for the barrage of posts coming soon from Josh Blackman explaining that this is the most unlawful judicial order in the history of the known universe. How dare anyone question Daddy Trump!!!?!?!
Yeah, where's Blackman? All we get is TaioF920. You can also check out Instapundit, where former libertarian Glenn Reynolds deploys much the same line as Taio.
I am waiting for his 17 part series, previewing an article with Seth Barrett Tillman, about how "tases, duties, imposts, etc." in Article I actually doesn't mean that; and if you look at Article II at just the right angle, you can read that it gives President Trump (just him) a unique authority to impose tariffs on any country in his own discretion.
And of course, the "major questions" doctrine does not apply - that applies to big-time policy issues like whether a President can forgive a small amount of student debt and not to minor policy issues like imposing tariffs on the entire world an upending the world economy. Those are not "major questions" that we'd want our legislature to weigh in on!!!
I doubt Blackman would disagree with this ruling.
That’s cute.
It wasn't an issue when Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama did it (issue tariffs). Why the double standard?
There's no double standard. The President has a lot of authority to impose tariffs, but they have to be justified, targeted and subject to certain procedures. In this case, Trump's use of the IEEPA to impose blanket tariffs on every country we do business with (and some we don't!) was determined to exceed his authority.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-does-the-executive-branch-have-so-much-power-over-tariffs/
And therein lies the major flaw. Courts have no authority to second guess the president’s findings. What are their neutral judicially manageable standards? At its core, the court simply substituted its judgment for that of the president. Even more basic, it comes down to whether one prefers a society governed by duly elected leaders or by judicial fiat. Now if you like living in a judicial dictatorship, that’s up to you. I’ll opt for the old republic, if it still exists.
You can tell, because the constitution says "Courts have no authority to second guess the president’s findings."
Actually, it does. In general we call that separation of powers.
And here the court here is intruding on authority clearly delegated to the president by Congress in matters seriously impacting foreign relations/polictical matters over which it has no say. The court, and apparently you, don't believe there is a national emergency. So what? Ain't your call, ain't a matter properly settled by one or even a panel of judges.
First, one point of disagreement is that it's not "authority clearly delegated to the president by Congress". The President asserts that's the case, and therefore you are programmed to believe it as well, but most people from across the political spectrum disagree with you.
Second, it's not clear that under current separation of powers doctrine that Congress even *could* make such a broad grant of authority to the President. There's certainly no precedent for it in the history of tariffs in this country and it seems counter to both non-delegation doctrine in general and the major questions doctrine that the Supreme Court has been so fond of recently.
I've seen ReaderY argue that because tariffs have both foreign policy as well as taxation-like properties, Congress *could* make a broad delegation of authority to the executive, but it's really hard for me to see how something like a 10% tariff across the board has anything to do with foreign policy versus just being a broad import tax.
You obviously don't want any reasonable exchange of views given the asinine "programmed" insult, But feel free to troll on to yourself. We're done here.
LOL, bot gets its feelings hurt by one word.* Is unable to deal with the substance of the conversation as a result.
* PS, people can be programmed to think things too!
Yes, but in this case, it's a bot. It's programmed to spew out a random insult on a regular basis, never ever ever to engage with substance.
Um, no. That's the entire question at issue in the case. And the court held that such authority was not delegated — clearly or otherwise — to the president by Congress.
If it had been, there would then be an overriding constitutional question of whether Congress actually was able to delegate such authority.
There is no "matters impacting foreign relations" exception to the constitution. Your conception of separation of powers continues to be almost 100% wrong. Virtually all powers in the constitution are shared, not exclusive, among the branches. No other branch can actually negotiate with foreign countries, but that's about the only power the president has to act unilaterally.
It is not my call as a legal matter. It may or may not be a matter properly settled by judges, but ultimately that's moot because it's not what happened here. The court didn't say that there wasn't an emergency; it said that the president declaring an emergency was insufficient under the relevant statute to give him the authority he claims.
By substituting their view that there was a "sufficient" emergency under the statute, the court is absolutely substituting its policy views over the president, notwithstanding that they try to pretend otherwise.
Your take would change the meaning of the statute, by changing the requirement that there be an emergency into a nullity.
You are not Congress, you don't get to change laws. You are not the judiciary, you don't get to say how the law applies.
You're also not the executive, though you are ahead of your skis legally, just like they are.
You didn't read what I wrote. I didn't say that the emergency must be sufficient. I said that the president declaring an emergency isn't sufficient. That is, there are additional elements in the statute that must be satisfied before the relevant powers are authorized.
Even more basic, it comes down to whether one prefers a society governed by duly elected leaders or by judicial fiat.
The president has no more authority than is delegated to him by the Constitution, and when he exceeds that authority, it is the delegated power of the judiciary to say so. The Constitution does not get overridden by popular votes every four years. You have never shown that you understand this.
you're confused. The real issue is that the courts have no authority to impose their policy preferences over the president's determination.
Does this sound like a policy discussion to you?
" The Constitution assigns Congress the exclusive powers to “lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,” and to “regulate Commerce with foreign Nations.” U.S. Const. art. I, § 8, cls. 1, 3. The question in the two cases before the court is whether the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (“IEEPA”) delegates these powers to the President in the form of authority to impose unlimited tariffs..."
The court has created its own imaginary limitations for the president's authority essentially because they just really don't think his determination of a national emergency is "sufficient" enough, and probably because they just fundamentally don't like the president's policy. There are no neutral judicial standards here. They've waded into poliical issues and have dediced their policy is best, however they dress up their language which also intrudes not only on the president's authorithy but on Congress, which has already spoken through the statute.
It did not. It said that the statute doesn't authorize the president to unilaterally impose tariffs. The statute says, "If these conditions have been met, the president may do A, B, or C." Trump is saying, "The conditions have been met, so I'm going to do D."
This is a pure question of statutory interpretation, not a political question of any sort. Trump can't do D, because D is not A, B, or C. Whether the conditions have been met, while potentially relevant, is not at issue here, because D simply isn't authorized at all.
No, but they have the authority to impose their legal interpretations regardless of the president's determination. As noted repeatedly, the president's job is to take care that the laws are faithfully executed.
Sorry, my comment wasn't clear. The President has a fair amount of power over tariffs that he has been *granted by Congress,* which retains the Constitutional right to delegate that authority. If he exceeds the authority *granted to him by Congress* then the courts can determine that. So nobody is "second-guessing" the President. The court here is merely saying that the President has exceeded the authority...you guessed it...granted to him by Congress! But surely you knew that. 😉
Beg to differ. That is exactly what the courts are doing and they have no business imposing their policy preferences here. It does serious harm to the Constitution and international relations. This is really quite despicable. Sorry no smiley face.
The president has no business imposing his policy preferences here. Congress, not the president, sets US policy.
The question before the court is what Congress' statute delegated.
That is not a policy question. Nor is it outside the authority of the judiciary.
I could be wrong, but I don't think you will hear that from Blackman, because their gas was exceedingly week.
There was was likely no delegation to set tariffs under IEEPA.
But that said the court needs to stay the judgment while its under appeal, and Congress should take the opportunity to add their sense of tariffs to the reconciliation bill.
Yeah, Congress is going to do something (i) decisive and (ii) unpopular. Hahaha!
Trump only has authority that Congress or the Constitution gives him. And neither gave him power over tariffs.
Congress gave it, in 1977 to President Carter. So, according to our judicial overlords, the power exists for Democrat Presidents and not for Republican Presidents. The exact opposite of "no man is above the law" and "equal justice under law". This is how Venezuela lost its freedom. The Judges gave it to two Socialist dictators because they were the "right" party.
Biden illegally let in millions and the courts did nothing. Trump tries to remove them and courts block everything. Judicial oligarchy. Shameful, un-American and dangerous.
Dangerous in ways people don't realize unless they read history.
We're headed toward Stagflation and things could get ugly. We are very close to the Wiemar Republic and courts being told to go f*ck themselves, with popular approval.
Ilya knows not what he has done...
Congress gave the president the power to impose tariffs by… passing a law that doesn't even mention tariffs?
Yes they did, in 1977. Keep up with the law. Based on your ignorant comments about the 2nd amendment, keeping up the law is second in importance to you getting your way of things. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised, nor should I hold my breath.
That's not true at all. The President has been granted a lot of authority over tariffs. But there are limitations to that power and procedures that have to be followed.
I can't understand why supposedly intelligent people can't understand that there was never going to be any permanent crazy Liberation Day style untargeted tariffs. You didn't remove any actual tariffs. All you did was remove a negotiation tool from the President's arsenal and the country will be much less able to match the flexibility of geopolitical rivals like China in the trade war.
Yeah, people shouldn’t have listened to Trump and his advisers, no intelligent person should.
Even if some style of the tariffs were never going to be "permanent", a lot of damage can still happen before whatever is going to be "permanent" becomes "permanent". Although anything like permanent doesn't seem to be Trump's style. Permanence requires agreement and fulfillment. Trump signed the USMCA, saying at the time; "The USMCA is the largest, most significant, modern, and balanced trade agreement in history. All of our countries will benefit greatly."
Who TF are YOU to decide that these tariffs are going to do "damage"? In addition to being a lawyer, are you also an economist? A global political expert?
The utter arrogance of the law profession is still astounding to see.
Ignoring whether the tariffs were going to be permanent or not, the President can't just invent new tools.
If the tariffs are such a good idea he can convince congress to grant him the authority.
"I wasn't supportive of the LD tariffs in the way they were implemented and so I am glad and can take some pleasure in him pausing it."
And the LD was simply a negotiation tactic as he showed by pausing them. If there were actually implemented permanently with no strategy or thought I still wouldn't support them.
When did you come to this conclusion?
It's absolutely fine to change your mind; I'm just wondering since you're generally...really sure of yourself, and it does not appear to be your conclusion when the tariffs came down.
In fact, it rather looked like you thought they were going to be permanent and were relieved when Trump backed down!
Probably he came to that conclusion the same way I did: It was bloody obvious.
Just because your carrot and stick approach actually HAS a stick, doesn't mean that you intend to beat the donkey to death.
No, that is inconsistent with him wanting high tariffs to protect domestic industry and replace the income tax. If they are a negotiating tool, that means they have to be able to lower, and *poof* there go protection and revenue.
Can't have it both ways.
I can't understand why supposedly intelligent people can't understand that there was never going to be any permanent crazy Liberation Day style untargeted tariffs.
The common thread among Trump supporters is that they think they know when he's serious about something and when he's just trolling to own the libs or is playing some sort of thirteen dimensional chess.
Many people in the business community were surprised when he actually made good on his promise to impose economy-destroying tariffs thinking "He's not really going to do that, it would wreck the economy" And then he did it, throwing the world economy into chaos.
But you're right about the calling the Liberation Day style tariffs "crazy". They are. Or were.
You didn't remove any actual tariffs.
We'll see what transpires long term, but my reading of the ruling is that all of Trump's tariffs have been declared null and void. Both actual tariffs that are currently in effect and the nebulous ones that are on hold pending "negotiations".
And then he did it, throwing the world economy into chaos.
Jesus, the utter idiocy in this thread is really something to behold. The world economy was NEVER in chaos in any way, nor was it ever going to be. Why do you libs always have to be such lemmings and only believe the nonsense you tell each other?
Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, you walk into ours.
If intelligent people can see your point of view as readily as you say they can, you shouldn’t have any problem asking Congress to pass a statute implementing it.
The Constitution assigns tarriff authority to Congress. They are the people who decide. Why not try to persuade them?
Because half of Congress consist of people like Maxine Waters, Ocasio-Cortez, and other savages elected by savages.
In other words, because Trump can't get what he wants by political jawboning — because his art of the deal isn't working with Congress — Trump should just rule by fiat.
They would welcome an Enabling Act, I believe.
This fart in the wind sure sounds like he would.
And Congress handed it to the Executive in 1977.
You folks are idiots -- Trump plays three dimensional chess.
Thank Ilya for the MAGA Congress that will be elected in 17 months.
I can see the commercials now -- middle aged man (white and black and Hispanic) sadly standing at locked factory gate, and voice over saying "President Trump tried to stop your job from going overseas, but the Courts wouldn't let him. Vote for (candidate) because Congress has to pass the Trump Tariffs.
That WILL have traction in a lot of districts. Men (of all colors) are hurting even in Blue states.
Heck, you could run that in Massachusetts and likely win. The middle class is hurting.
But if you listened to the talking heads at CNBC, what the Wall Street shylocks want is what Americans want, even if housing is unaffordable to the masses.
That is exactly what happened in 1775 -- and I don't think that folk like Lord North had any idea of what the actual populace thought.
It wasn't just a few rebels.
Can I have some of what you're smoking? It must be really good shit.
The populace knows broad tariffs are bad. They are polling terribly.
Yeah, the Wall Street controlled media is good at lying to people and shaping people's opinions.
No, it isn't.
It most certainly is because it's shrinking. Why must you always be such a dishonest hack?
The middle class is shrinking, yes. It's shrinking because Americans are getting richer and therefore are graduating out of the middle class.
Trump can't even play one dimensional chess.
You are ignorant about manufacturing in the US.
* It is at an all time high in dollar output.
* Manufacturing jobs have been decreasing since 1943 because capital investment has improved productivity so much.
* Manufacturing unemployment is lower than general unemployment.
* All the manufacturing Trump wants to bring back is the low-pay low-skill low-productivity stuff that no one wants to do.
Yes, I can see those 2026 Democrat ads. Picture a dirty dusty factory making straw hats. A worker says to the camera, "I had a good job selling furniture until Trump shuttered the furniture factory and replaced it with this straw hat factory."
Actual dollar output, or constant dollar? You don't say either way. How about as a percentage of the population? You don't say that either.
As someone who lives in the Detroit area, I can tell you most definitely that the auto companies have nowhere near the power and numbers they once did. Blame Japanese autos if you want, but that would be a cop out. The middle class most certainly is hurting, and you're being willfully blind by ignoring that.
Inflation adjusted.
Your anecdotal evidence is meaningless. Most of the loss in auto manufacturing went to the southern states to get away from unions and meddling governments.
The middle class is not hurting. Again, your anecdotes are not data. Statistics are, and they show almost everybody is doing better. You're seeing things which ain't.
A major city losing 50% of its population over a 5 decade period is "anecdotal"? Was the Hiroshima bomb "anecdotal" about how destructive a single bomb can be?
It would be interesting to see what kind of evidence you say is NOT anecdotal...
You are talking about Detroit? Major cities governed by Democrats generally lose population. Many Democratic mayors like it that way, because it's the middle class that leaves, and the poor are more reliable Democratic voters.
Incredible political takes, here on Reason.com.
Dr. Ed 2 - it's worse than that. The people on that side of the aisle are utterly, batshit crazy. The utter nonsense they all seem to believe is so easily disprovable, yet they still believe it.
They're going to have to flood the airwaves in 2026 with those ads. I'm worried that the apathy that exists in this country is why these changes won't happen. I hope I'm wrong.
Trump can't play tic-tac-toe, let alone chess.
If the tariffs are such a political winner, why not pass them now, when republicans control both houses of congress, rather than waiting 17 months?
I can't understand why supposedly intelligent people can't understand that there was never going to be any permanent crazy Liberation Day style untargeted tariffs.
And I can't understand why supposedly intelligent people don't understand that a non-credible - as you yourself concede - threat has no value as a negotiating tool.
Suppose you are trying to buy a car, and are bargaining over the price. Saying "If you don't accept my offer I'll nuke your dealership," really is not a good tactic. It won't get you a lower price. Yet Trump's defenders on the LD tariffs don't understand this simple point. They simultaneously argue that:
1. The tariffs were obviously never going to be put into effect.
2. They will induce all sorts of concessions from other countries.
This makes zero sense. If the entire universe of Trumpists understand #1, why wouldn't leaders of other countries understand it also? And if they know the threat is BS, why would they concede anything?
You didn't remove any actual tariffs. All you did was remove a negotiation tool from the President's arsenal and the country will be much less able to match the flexibility of geopolitical rivals like China in the trade war.
This is nonsense. There never was a tool.
Alternatively, we could just… not start a trade war.
Then you should run for President. You and your babbling brothers completely ignore the election. The people voted for President Trump. He gets to be President. No matter how many lies are spread about him.
He does get to be president. Which means he gets to do what Congress tells him to do. Congress, not the president, decides what wars and trade wars to start. (Even if Congress imposed these sorts of tariffs, I would of course still oppose them as terrible policy that only really really stupid people would support. But I would not find them illegal, since Congress is the body empowered under the constitution to do that. A president, on the other hand, is not.)
Yeah, another idiot who thinks Trump knows what he's doing with his tariffs. He doesn't. They are incoherent and inconsistent, and your "negotiation tool" is only one of the many things which don't align. I've posted this before, here goes again.
Trump doesn't know what tariffs are and he doesn't know what he wants to do with them.
* He wants to protect domestic industry; onshore it. That requires raising tariffs so high that no one buys imports, and never lowering them.
* He wants to replace the income tax with tariff revenue. That's impossible if tariffs are high enough to block imports to protect domestic industry.
* He is using high tariffs as a bargaining weapon to force reciprocal tariffs. That requires the possibility of lowering tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.
* He is using high tariffs to force trade deals with zero tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.
If you can't somehow make those Trump talking points align, then you admit they are nonsensical. Trump is an economic ignoramus, but worse, he couldn't think himself out of a paper bag.
What a bunch of patent nonsense:
He wants to protect domestic industry...
It doesn't have to be permanent. Once companies have moved their manufacturing back to the U.S., people will continue to buy American.
He wants to replace the income tax with tariff revenue...
Does a national sales tax figure into your mix? Or are you purposely ignoring it for politics' sake?
He is using high tariffs as a bargaining weapon to force reciprocal tariffs...
Yet in almost every case, the other countries have backed down. Which completely negates your point.
Your explanations are wishful nonsense. Companies which have offshored once can do it again, and the point of high tariffs is to keep the imports out. Is this your scenario?
* Raise tariffs, block imports, revive domestic industry.
* Drop tariffs. Why? The imports will come in again, driving the revived domestic industry back overseas because they can't compete with low-priced imports.
Good grief that's a lame strategy.
Your national sales tax is another tax increase, and has nothing to do with tariffs. Trump has said he wants to use tariffs to replace the income tax. Why do you brush that off as immaterial?
What you failed to grasp about all four of those points is how incompatible they are. He wants high tariffs to block imports and replace the income tax, yet he wants tariffs as bargaining chips which means they have to be able to come back down. They can't do both.
Think about the incompatibility of his four goals. Stop treating them as individual goals.
200 countries. How many have backed down? Actually, none, because while he has announced several pending trade deals, none have been completed yet, and why should anyone trust him when he already abrogated 15 existing trade agreements?
Which completely negates your point.
I co-sign everything you said, and I would add this: contrary to what Callahan wrote, it would have to be permanent; no company is going to make massive investments in shifting production to the U.S. if the tariffs are only going to be temporary.
Even if you're correct, and the TACO trade policy is purely a negotiating tool, it doesn't really matter to the Court's rationale at all. Trump may or may not intend to have a bunch of dumb tariffs long-term, but it doesn't matter because he doesn't have the authority to impose them in the first place.
Your argument is roughly akin to: Biden could have just declared forgiveness for *all* student loans and that would be cool as long as his intention was just to forgive a targeted set of student loans eventually. Sure, he doesn't have authority to do either of those things, but since what he's eventually going to do isn't nearly as dumb as the first idea, the Courts should just let him do whatever he wants and eventually it will be okay.
Why bother with elections? Let the unelected judges run everything.
Why bother with laws and a Constitution? Let Donald Trump rule by fiat.
The Constitution didn't seem to concern liberals when Biden was trying to seize 3d printed guns, harass FFLs for ministerial errors on 4473 forms, ban masks on planes, have the CDC ban apartment evictions, and what not.
Now that Trump is in office, suddenly these leftist hacks have remembered the Constitution. Fuck them. They should be gassed.
Sure it did. That’s why Biden was blocked from banning evictions (even though Trump had done exactly the same thing without it getting blocked). But then you knew that.
After three years, yes.
You people can't help but lie, can you?
The eviction moratorium was originally imposed by Congress, not Biden. Indeed, this happened when Donald Trump was president. After Congress's moratorium expired, the CDC imposed it on its own, and Congress authorized it to do so. Again, while Trump was president. Biden's CDC then extended it. Within months — not "three years" — it was struck down.
It took years for those cases to go to court. These cases against Trump are being done within 1 or 2 days.
Please tell me you're a dishonest hack without saying you are a dishonest hack.
Wrong again - see above.
You are so mad at everyone. There is that saying about if everyone you interact with is an asshole…
Those were all unpopular, and some even legally stopped. It's almost like both presidents were bad.
The courts stopped all that (eventually), as they should have. They should stop this as well.
Be careful what you ask for -- it won't be Trump but we well could get a right wing dictator.
The law in 1977 allowed Trump to do this. No laws are being broken, and the constitution isn't being violated. Stop with the lies already.
"The law in 1977" does not even mention tariffs.
Judges — rather than economically illiterate Trump cultists — disagree.
Why bother with a constitution or laws? Let the unelected bureaucrats run everything.
Why bother with a constitution? Let the President rule by royal edict.
Congress has power over tariffs and the judges rightfully ruled that Trump does not.
You're in the wrong neighborhood being here in these comments if you believe elections should have consequences. You're surrounded by lawyers - they think it's peachy keen when judges overrule the president of the United States - especially if it's Trump.
There aren't many voices of sanity on these boards. So don't be surprised if you find yourself getting frustrated by the weapons grade lunacy here.
Wow. This should make the financial markets happy, which is what really matters for both the national and my personal welfare.
It's what matters for the little hat wearers who run this country.
Not for everyone. Don't forget 1775.
Alternate President TACO: Trump Always Constitutionally Overreaches.
I hesitate to draw attention to this idiotic troll but his comment is worth noting only because the shockingly stupid sentiments expressed therein seem to accurately reflect the views of many who should not be federal judges. Of course, the monied interests behind this disgrace contributed as well, which might explain the light speed at which this latest abuse emerged. What a joke.
I wish to enter the above response into evidence that Riva is an AI bot.
Yeah, WTF is that even supposed to mean in the best case, much less how is it possibly relevant to what it is responding to?
Shaddup you shrieking harridan!
Zarni. He's something, isn't he?
Well, a harridan is a female, a shrew, a scolding, belligerent and bossy old crone.
Zarniwoop is a male attorney. I realize Riva is not 'real' but choose to refer to it in the feminine form its name indicates.
Did they have schools in your town?
A truly sickening overreach. One that not only grossly interferes with lawfully delegated presidential authority but disrupts ongoing international trade negotiations. May be the most appalling judicial abuse yet. Even if an appellate reversal, this will have a reaching negative impact on international relations. The plaintiffs, their counsel and the court have disgraced themselves.
Oh, hogwash. Maybe now Trump can get back to the good things and leave these distractions alone. And maybe pigs can fly.
Distractions? Have you been to a rust belt city? Have you been to Appalachia? Is the suffering of those people a distraction to you?
The people living in those places had their livelihoods taken away by people in BOTH parties who only gave a f$#@ about their own bottom lines. Now we have high drug use, crime, illegitimacy and mental illness numbers that have skyrocketed over the past 30 years or so.
This is the first president in decades who actually gave a shit about those people. So you can take your "distractions" and shove them where the sun doesn't shine, sideways, with a swordfish.
Have you been to southern cities where all the rust belt manufacturing moved? There's your enemy.
The northern workers lost their jobs to capitalism and markets as the jobs moved to the southern states. All politicians have added to the mix is red tape and corruption.
If you knew the slightest thing about economics and history, you would not say such ignorant things.
You are living in the past and know nothing modern.
I'm sure the Plaintiffs and counsel are all very sad right now, as they cry into their tariff-free victory champagne.
The power over tariffs was never delegated to the president. That is the point of the ruling.
The law from 1977 says otherwise. If it's up to Congress to pass laws, then it's up to them to repeal them. Not a bunch of judges.
"A truly sickening overreach."
The "sickening overreach" was Donald Trump's "reciprocal" tariffs.
Just what makes you people tick? Do you not give a squat about anyone but your own?
Congratulations to the People's Republic of China, who will be the biggest beneficiary of this decision! They desperately needed this shot in the arm as Trump tries to reset the world trade order in favor of the United States. I'm glad the PRC's purchase of so many American officials has paid off. I am a little surprised by this decision, as I didn't think the court would so cavalierly ignore a century of unbroken precedent, but, it's Trump, so to hell with precedent. Again, congratulations, China. Let the fentanyl flow!
“I'm glad the PRC's purchase of so many American officials has paid off.”
Stop beclowning yourself.
I want to know how many judges they have bought.
We know how many current presidents can be bought.
Biden would like a word...
...and Trump would like you to hold his beer.
Stop beclowning yourself.
For F.D. Wolf, that ship has sailed.
Why don't you address his point? How does this NOT benefit China? How does this NOT hurt the United States when it comes to trade decisions?
Well, since trade is positive sum, it does benefit China. It just benefits the U.S. far more.
LOL. The idea that China has bought any American politicians is ridiculous. You're adorable, princess.
Remember when you voted for Bush/Cheney because they invaded Iraq while shipping jobs to China?? That was weird, right?? Didn’t you also weep for Elian Gonzalez?? So weird…
I didn't. I voted for the Constitution Party in both of those elections.
Sure, nobody voted for Bush/Cheney! And Republicans in Congress didn’t vote Lizard Cheney into leadership in January 2021!! And your buttboy, Dan Crenshaw, didn’t follow Lizard Cheney around like a lost puppy dog.
You're right Sam - I did. It was Bush/Cheney, or Al Gore. It was an easy choice. If Gore had been elected, the majority of us would be living like the aliens in District 9 - in shacks with no electricity or heat or AC, while the elite would be living in their super gated communities.
That said - I'll admit that I was wrong about globalism and it's adherents. It made sense at the time, but as I saw my own part of the country turn to squalor in so many places, I realized that a country has to look out for it's own first.
In 1982, the neighborhood I lived in in Detroit was a safe one - we could run around at night, in the alleys, and we weren't afraid. That zip code now has the highest violent crime rate of any zip code in the United States. This happened because the auto plants don't employ as many as they once did.
So yeah, I voted for them. Would I again? Hell no.
I’ll just add Detroit metro gained population in the 1990s thanks to Explorers and Tahoes and Grand Cherokees. So believe it or not the energy crisis from 2001-2009 exacerbated the manufacturing job losses to China. So Bush/Cheney failed to solve the energy crisis as foreign auto makers developed SUVs and then the 10 mpg American SUVs sales declined. And do you know what solved the energy crisis?? High energy prices—the cure for high commodity prices is…high commodity prices. So Bush/Cheney literally could not have done a worse job because the two things people thought they were experts at, energy and defense, they failed miserably.
LOL! In 1982, Detroit was a mess. Unemployment was over 17%, automobile manufacturing was well into decline and crime was through the roof. But you were happy in your little neighborhood! Didn't you care about anyone else?!?
Yeah, I can say from considerable personal experience that the Detroit of today is doing much better than the Detroit of 1982.
Congratulations to the Americans of the United States of America, who will be the biggest beneficiaries of this decision.
If by "Americans," you mean "Reform 'Jews' on Wall Street," then yes.
Nazi go home. Or are you a Queer for Palestine?
How weird it would be to view everything as controlled by race
Let the fetanyl flow? Sounds like a good time.
You really think this is a joke, don't you?
I think I make the decision on whether to consume drugs, as does everyone else. I'm not worried about consuming rat poison or anything else.
A century of precedent related to a statute that's less than half a century old!
So it took the USSC almost 50 years to decide that a particular law is not constitutional? What are we to conclude by the fact that they waited until now?
The court didn’t find the International Emergency Economic Powers Act unconstitutional. It found that the Act didn’t authorize Trump’s tariffs.
Trump invoked the Act seven times during his first term. As far as can determine, none of those actions were overturned by the courts.
No. WTF are you talking about?
1) The USSC hasn't ruled.
2) The CIT, which did rule, did not rule that the law (IEEPA) wasn't constitutional. The CIT ruled that the IEEPA did not authorize the president to impose tariffs.
3) Courts have to wait until cases are brought to them. Since no president previously tried to do this, no court had the opportunity to rule on it.
So you don't like it when American officials are paid off by foreign governments, eh?
Let's supposed for a moment that Trump's real goal with his tariff policy is to prevent China's ascendancy (particularly with trade). Well if so, he has once again chosen the dumbest possible way to do something about it:
First, his broad, untargeted tariffs do not have an obvious nexus to the problem he is trying to address. Why is he imposing tariffs on countries we have trade surpluses with if he's trying to do something about China? As the court notes here, the fact that he's imposing tariffs so broadly makes it impossible to tie the policy to the delegation of authority under the IEEPA. If he had actually limited his tariffs to just China or even a limited set of countries he'd have a much better chance of having the courts uphold his actions.
But also, his broad and erratic approach to tariff policy has also made the US less of a reliable trading partner. Efforts by previous administrations to build stronger trade relationships and decrease China's influence with countries in Asia are being undermined by Trump's policy. Long-term, reliable trade partners are being forced to realign their interests away from the US. Some of this doesn't directly help China, but none of it hurts China and all of it hurts the US in the global trade landscape.
Finally, since one of the judges on this panel was a Trump appointee (and another other was appointed decades ago by Reagan), it's hard to see how China paying off elected officials would be relevant. Unless you think Trump is one of them?
And not just a farcical abuse with unmeasurablly bad consequence for international relations for probably decades. The real insult is the rush job to this farce. These clowns didn't even have the decency to pretend to deliberate the matter seriously.
The real rush job was Trump's tariffs.
. . .
You mean the promises he made during the election? The ones we all knew were coming well over a year ago? That's a rush?
I suppose you think businesses can pivot on a moment's notice to all his disruptive tariffs.
You also ignore the four conflicting tariff promises he made.
You ignore the promise to end the Russia-Ukraine war on his first day.
You ignore the oath he swore to uphold the Constitution.
Your ignorance is selective and useless.
I remember well when Trump said on the campaign trail, "I am going to unilaterally impose the highest tariffs in the history of the United States on an island that contains only penguins."
And not just a farcical abuse with unmeasurablly bad consequence for international relations for probably decades. The real insult is the rush job to this farce. These clowns didn't even have the decency to pretend to deliberate the matter seriously.
True, but at least the Judges have stopped them for now.
More snideness.
I'm not going to pretend like the Trump admin is remotely competent, nor acts with the slightest regard for the law.
The striking thing here is not that the court was able to make the obvious ruling that tariffs are the purview of congress, not the executive branch.
It's the speed that the decision was made. I was expecting a TRO at best, followed by several years of legal maneuvering prior to a ruling finally being made sometime late in the next presidential election campaign. That the ruling came so quickly is astonishing. And gives me hope that courts can actually move faster than a glacial pace.
And gives me hope that courts can actually move faster than a glacial pace.
Hah! The irony in this statement is something else. It took them 47 YEARS to decide a law that's been on the books that entire time is unconstitutional.
Utterly laughable. The fact that judges all over the country are now "protecting the constitution", while they ignored it for 125 years, has zero to do with the courts moving quickly and everything to do with them moving quickly to support their own political side.
They did no such thing. You are legally ignorant as well as economically so.
Don't often agree with Ilya, but this is the correct ruling. The tariffs were an absolute abuse of the IPEAA powers. Trade deficits are not a national emergency.
Congratulations!! Obviously the fight is not over yet as the govt will appeal but the underlying legal principles won't change.
I've been bitching about the abuse of emergency powers since the beginning of the 2nd term.
If everything is an emergency then nothing is an emergency.
Well, what's the next step? The administration will appeal to the Federal Circuit. I'm not familiar with that court, but I'd assume the appeal would be heard by a three judge panel chosen at random from the 12 active members plus perhaps the 8 "senior" members.
None of them are Trump appointees, so it's unlikely that they would reverse. Presumably, the next appeal would be en banc to the entire court. I'm not sure about any of this, so a correction from someone in the know would be appreciated.
I suppose the administration could appeal directly to the Supreme Court, but while I'm skeptical that they wouldn't side at least partially with the administration, I'm more skeptical that they would grant cert and even more skeptical that they'd review it on the "rocket docket". Maybe I'm off base here, but while the justices can be "results interested", I don't know that they will go out of their way to shepherd through the largest tax increase of my adult lifetime.
Current members of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit are Chief Judge Sri Srinivasan; Karen Henderson; Patricia A. Millett; Cornelia T.L. Pillard; Robert L. Wilkins; Gregory G. Katsas; Neomi Rao; Justin R. Walker; J. Michelle Childs; Florence Y. Pan; Bradley N. Garcia, Harry T. Edwards, Douglas H. Ginsburg, A. Raymond Randolph, and and Judith W. Rogers.
Trump appointed three of them in his first term: Katsas (2017), Rao (2019), and Walker (2020). Getting even two of those on a panel would be quite a poker draw...but it's happened before.
https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_judges_nominated_by_Donald_Trump
Wrong court. That's the DC Circuit, while this case goes to the Federal Circuit.
Thanks! Obviously IANAL...glad you're always around to correct my mistaken assumptions. I've been spending time on the summary judgements from DC District Courts, of which at least one is going to the DC Circuit so I had it on my mind.
The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit is not the venue for appeal. The United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit will hear any appeal. Not the same court.
I may be wrong here, but the administration has already filed their notice of appeal and they think it's the same court as I do.
Yup. I appreciate the gentle correction. Now I know more than I did this morning!
I just spent a couple minutes on your earlier Wikipedia reference, and understand the difference. DC Circuit hears most appeals from DC District Courts, but for the Federal Circuit, well, better I just check the whole list.
If the Trump Administration were smart (it’s not), it would realize what a gift this ruling is and not appeal it—or at least not to anything to reverse the injunction and slow roll the appellate process.
I tend to agree. Even before this decision was handed down, I fully expected:
1) Trump would lose;
2) He would then blame the judiciary for anything bad that happens to the economy, because he was prevented from taking "real action";
3) low information suckers would eat it right TF up
Congratulations and thank you!
A very slight quibble with Professor Somin’s interpretation. The court here didn’t disturb the President’s authority to declare a national emergency. So far as the opinion is concerned, he can continue to declare one whenever he wants over whatever he wants. Rather, the court noted that in addition to the declaration of national emergency element, which the court said was satisfied and left undisturbed, there is another required element: there has to be an “unusual and extraordinary threat.” And THAT condition courts get to review. While the court found that there was indeed a presidential declaration of an emergency, it found that there was no unusual and extraordinary threat.
It also stated that Congress explicitly said that trade deficits are *not* an emergency, and in any case, the scope of the tariffs far exceed what's allowed by the non-delegation or major question doctrines.
And that - in the fentanyl emergency - the remedy had no direct tie to the emergency, which is required by statute.
And that - in the fentanyl emergency - the remedy had no direct tie to the emergency
Which is an utterly horseshit, subjective opinion. The judges' problem is that when you live in a cloistered environment, you have no idea how bad things are outside that cloister. Tariffs can be used to DIRECTLY affect the amount of drugs coming into this country from other countries.
Um, drug smugglers do not pay tariffs.
Yes - clearly... imposing tariffs on hardwood lumber from Canada is going to address the minuscule amount of fentanyl coming into the US from Canada.
Everybody knows the lumber jacks are the true cartel.
That’s not quite the case. What the court said is that the President cannot invoke the powers granted by the IEEPA to address trade imbalances because trade imbalances are covering by a separate statute specifically addressing them. The president’s power to declare emergencies , however, is covered by a third statute, which the opinion didn’t pass any judgment on. So the President remains free to declare anything he cares to an emergency so far as this opinion is concerned. He just can’t invoke the powers granted by the IEEPA when the declared emergency is about trade imbalances.
China is an extraordinary threat. True or not?
Absolutely. People who ignore that belong nowhere near the levers of power.
Not. (To be sure, I don't really know what you mean by "extraordinary threat." It seems like a pretty ordinary threat.)
While the court found that there was indeed a presidential declaration of an emergency, it found that there was no unusual and extraordinary threat.
The judges don't have that kind of power, even if they used power they didn't have. If the president can decide when there is a national emergency, then the president should be able to decide what must be done during that emergency.
Also - isn't using the term "national emergency" completely subjective? How does a bunch of judges decide what really is an emergency and what is not?
As people said above, you people really do want an Enabling Act.
Way to go!
Ilya, shouldn't importers who paid the invaled tariffs be able to receive refunds? I note the Court did not include this as a remedy, probably because the Plaintiffs did not request such remedy. But wouldn't such refund remedy naturally follow, and how could those who paid the tariffs request and receive such remedy?
Interesting question, but my understanding is that the tariffs were implemented in such a slapdash haphazard manner that nobody knew what to pay and so they didn't.
That said, assuming that accurate records were retained, any tariffs paid would come off the year end tax filing. Of course, I've never filed a business tax return that included tariffs so I'm speculating here. While tariffs are administered by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection instead of the IRS, I would assume that at the close of the fiscal year the credits and debits would be tallied and any over payment would be refunded.
nobody knew what to pay and so they didn't.
I paid tariffs on a batch of PCBs on Tuesday. And they were definitely new. I've been making similar purchases for years and they'd always been under the de minimus exemption that Trump abolished as part of his tariff package.
Added $45 to what was normally a $70 order (total including DHL shipping). Part of the $45 might be brokerage fees, it's hard to tell. DHL just says they need $45 to cover duties.
Yessir, bad time to order PCBs.
Even with the tariff it's still a fraction of getting them domestically. I don't know why no US fab houses go after the market for reasonably priced, non-military, standard spec PCBs for prototypes and short production runs.
Yes, if you paid a tariff to the government as part of the liberation day tariffs, you can very likely get your money back (and i assume firms will start specializing in this once they figure it out)
While this is an important development, it leaves many tariffs recently imposed in place. From politico.com https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/28/federal-court-strikes-down-trumps-april-2-tariffs-00373843
Expect a raft of new tariffs based on sec 232 instead of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. It's like playing Whack-a-mole.
The other option, of course, is for the GOP majorities in the house and senate to simply pass all of Trump's tariffs. I've heard almost no opposition from the republicans, so it should be a slam dunk, right?
Especially if it's framed as a test of fealty.
"The other option, of course, is for the GOP majorities in the house and senate to simply pass all of Trump's tariffs. I've heard almost no opposition from the republicans, so it should be a slam dunk, right?
Especially if it's framed as a test of fealty."
That option would simply demonstrate how weak Donald Trump really is.
Ilya closes with the "harmful and illegal tariffs."
The United Autoworkers see the tariffs as hugely beneficial.
The Teamsters back the tariffs.
The beef industry applauds Trump admin’s reciprocal tariffs.
Five steel industry groups support steel tariffs.
Dairy farmers say tariffs will force business back to the United States.
Aluminum tariffs could spark a hiring boom in Q2 2025.
These all headlines you can use to search and find the supporting articles.
So they are all wrong?
The backing of industry groups has no bearing on the legality of the tariffs.
Who are judges to decide that, Molly?
It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is.
...but only in matters subject to their jurisdiction.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State; —between Citizens of different States, —between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
Correct me if I'm wrong (of course you will) but that would be the Supreme Court, the only court created by the Constitution.
Just to be clear here....are you trying to claim the US Court of International Trade, created and named that by Congress, does not have jurisdiction over international trade?
Or were you just making a general point?
A general point. So far there has only been an injunction by an inferior court.
This isn't over.
You are, of course, wrong.
"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."
Congress does not have to create inferior courts, but when it does, those courts wield "the judicial power," just as SCOTUS does.
Ilya called the tariffs harmful. These groups disagreed. Are they all wrong?
Yes. But you missed the point: they're not looking at what the tariffs do for the country; they're looking at what the tariffs do for their own narrow interests.
"The United Autoworkers see the tariffs as hugely beneficial.
The Teamsters back the tariffs.
The beef industry applauds Trump admin’s reciprocal tariffs.
Five steel industry groups support steel tariffs.
Dairy farmers say tariffs will force business back to the United States.
Aluminum tariffs could spark a hiring boom in Q2 2025."
So get Congress to pass the tariffs.
P.S. And how do you think that "Aluminum tariffs could spark a hiring boom in Q2 2025"?
Copy and paste that statement for a web search, it will lead right to the article that makes the argument.
Here, I did it for you.
https://power.atsondemand.com/how-steel-and-aluminum-tariffs-could-spark-a-hiring-boom-in-q2-2025-what-you-need-to-know/
Do you understand that a policy that benefits certain groups can be harmful to the country as a whole?
I guess not.
Completely subjective view. MANY Americans thought otherwise, so when Trump ran on raising tariffs, he was elected. The majority believed it is MORE harmful to keep doing things the way they've been done.
But I get it - bernard11, of Volokh fame, is WAY smarter than those hoi polloi voters. What an arrogant ass.
The majority voted against Trump, you dimwit.
Hey guys. Republicans are the majority in Congress. They could use reconciliation yö approve tarrifs Or give the president more authority in the area. How about going that route?
That would still be stupid, but it would be legal. If they can cobble together the votes, that’s their prerogative.
They likely couldn't give the president more power as the non-delegation and major questions doctrine limits that, but they could codify the tariffs I suppose or implement a law that delegates with better limits.
They won't, though. They're secretly relieved.
Way to go, Ilya and friends! Maybe we're finally starting to wake up from this national nightmare.
Find an actual libertarian in a Reason article’s comment section challenge [impossible]
They're mostly stone Commies in these threads. It's always been this way, and I'll never understand it.
What the White House will likely do now (besides appeal to the Democrat-stacked Federal Circuit) is simply reinvoke all the tariffs under Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, which allows the President, without Congressional approval, to impose up to a 15% tariff on all imports to address serious imbalance-of-payments issues, which given our tremendous trade deficits would be nearly impossible to deny (though our clownish, politicized judiciary might find a way). These tariffs can only be placed for a maximum of 150 days, after which Congressional approval is necessary. No president has ever invoked this section to raise tariffs, because no President has particularly cared about our trade deficit.
There are a great number of congressional delegations of tariff authorities to the President. Many have been challenged in court, but I believe they have all been upheld (until today that is). Besides Section 122, there is Section 232 (national security threat finding by Secretary of Commerce, no cap on rate or duration). There is also Section 338 (discrimination on U.S. commerce, rate cap of 50%, no limitation on duration). I could go on, but the point is there are a great many ways to sidestep this ruling, assuming it holds up, though, naturally, we would expect continued legal challenges.
F.D. Wolf -- Thank you for the citation of actual laws and authorities. It is inconceivable that the Congress can conduct negotiations regarding trade, which is why these authorities were given to the Executive to begin with. And, as the Supreme Court has indicated, when Congress has expressly authorized the president to do something, he acts at the apogee of his powers.
This ruling is incredibly damaging, and yes, another instance of judicial overreach. As someone who wants to see the continued role of the Court to say "what the law is," I have both a hope that the SC will overturn this, and fear that this continuous attempt to thwart the administration in areas where the judiciary has no authority or expertise (such as determining when an "emergency" exists -- and ignoring that the Statutes themselves expressly indicate a process under which Congress can terminate any declared emergency) will undermine their essential role in the rule of law.
It is also incredibly ironic to see these who believe federal agencies can create law out of whole cloth, by merely adopting a notice and comment period, here stand four square for ONLY Congress being able to legislate. And the second claim that when Congress delegates, it must do so clearly and unambiguously. Yet these are the same voices that argued for retaining Chevron. Etc. Yet as noted above, that authority has indeed been delegated to the president, by statute, as opposed to say...declaring carbon dioxide (the gas all living animals exhale) a "pollutant" and trying to regulate *everything* on that slender reed. The hypocrisy is mind-bending.
Perhaps. But imposing taxes on Americans is not "negotiations regarding trade."
"great many ways to sidestep this ruling"
Trump's one consistent political position over the last 40 years is his belief in tariffs. He's not going to just go away on this.
Trump's backed down like 4 times already.
Sure, but what about last week?
It's why the TACO name stings him so much: it's accurate.
So basically, the President is free to correct what he perceives to be a trade imbalance by imposing *modest* tariffs. What he can't do is *punish* anyone and everyone he doesn't like by arbitrarily slapping obscene taxes on imported goods.
I can live with that.
Thank you for the post and information. Quite educational and a starting point for a deeper dive.
To be clear, since I can't embed it as intended, my comment "Aren't you Jewish?" wasn't directed at Ilya. It was supposed to be a response to one of TaioF920's antisemitic excretions.
[And now, another manifestation of the software's brain fart is that it's posting comments in random order, so this one is showing up before several to which it responds, including the "Aren't you Jewish?" one. It's a total clusterfuck. Oh well.]
No, what happened is that some of the more Nazi-ish comments were deleted, and so the software moved replies to those comments to the bottom.
Nah, the software is just screwing up comment order, period, this morning. I made a comment at the end, in replay to nobody, and it got posted halfway up the page.
Replies to a since-deleted comment are sorted after all other comments, displayed at top level. I've used a forum where the mods can delete a whole subthread if the lead comment is deleted.
Even comments entered after the deletion occurred? I can't say I've seen that behavior here before.
The standing of the non-government plaintiffs depends on Biden v. Nebraska, which allowed Missouri to challenge student loan forgiveness based on the relatively small harm to its student loan processing agency. The state plaintiffs, or some of them, had standing because they paid tariffs.
It seems to me that the court should have decided this entirely on statutory issues without reaching constitutional questions.
Congress reformed the former Trading with the Enemy Act to limit and cabin the President’s authority. Part of the reform was to provide a separate statute covering what the President is allowed to do to address trade deficits. The Court very reasonably held that that specific statute controls trade deficit authority and hence the general one does not. This is simply the principle the Supreme Court laid out in Brown and Williamson Tobbaco. When a specific statute governs a situation, the President cannot use a more general one to claim greater autthority than thn the specific one provides. The Supreme court had held that because a specific statue regulates tobacco in a more limited way, the President cannot use the FD&C Act’s regulation of “drugs” to regulate toboacco. This case is simply another example of the same principle.
Similarly, assuming an extraordinary situation exists, the statute says any presidential action must “deal with” the situation. The court very reasonably construed this to mean any action must directly address the situation. Imposing general tarriffs that are not themselves related to to the situation to try to create leverage to pressure foreign governments to act is too indirect a method.
Thanks for presenting this perspective.
The decision quotes Justice Story: "I take it to be an incontestable principle, that the president has no common law prerogative to interdict commercial intercourse with any nation".
As for the scope of relief, the panel justifies "universal" relief based on the constitutional requirement that duties, imposts and excises be uniform.
Without the constitutional uniformity rule the plaintiffs could be treated like other tax-exempt organizations, you show proof of tax-exempt status and you don't have to pay tax.
Given several states were parties ,even if the relief wasn't uniform, you'd still defacto eliminate the tariffs for everyone. Everything would just go through resellers located in the plaintiff states for trade. Everything would just be that little less efficient. Can't see the non-plaintiff states being happy about that though!
I'd also note that the US Court of International Trade bypasses the 'lone district judge' problem of universal injunctions. It's set up to have national (and sometimes international) jurisdiction by design.
Three injunction reform proposals are in effect here:
* No preliminary injunction.
* Injunction granted by a three judge panel, not a single judge.
* Plaintiff has no choice of venue.
It's not easy to quickly set up a redistribution system where the state of Oregon buys lots of stuff and resells it around the country. The federal government might be entitled to disregard business structures that are solely designed to avoid taxes. The IRS can do so when assessing income tax.
I can't actually argue with the outcome, but I would caution not to count your chickens until the Supreme court has hatched the eggs.
Trump ran on three main things, reducing the size of the federal leviathan, eliminating unbeneficial immigration and removing illegal immigrants and other temporary protected people from the United States, and equalizing trade with the rest of the world (right now, Europe and China take advantage of us). It's patently obvious now that the judiciary is not going to let him do any of them, using specious reasoning and "We're a nation of checks and balances" logic that they have never applied to any other President. It reminds me of the judiciary's actions after states passed all sorts of traditional marriage amendments 15-20 years ago or so.
Whether or not the tariffs were a tax on the consumer or a tax on the corporations, they were a tax that would have brought in revenue. The cheering from the establishment on this as well as any attempt to remove expensive and low skill migrants shows that they have no interest in putting America on a sustainable trajectory.
So here we are. $2-$3 trillion per year deficits as long as the eye can see. Most of the benefits of this flow to the rich, who are happier than a pig in poop. Asset bubbles in everything, from stocks, to housing, to Bitcoin, and anything else that the rich can use to "stash their money" will keep blowing up, which means ruinous inflation for the middle and working classes.
This all continues until the bond market finally says "no mas" and people refuse to buy 10 year treasuries for 4.5% when we've shown we're not willing to spend sustainably.
There is no clause in Article 2 of the Constitution that gives the President additional powers based on the promises he made in stump speeches. If there were, Joe Biden would have actually eliminated all student debt.
And if you're worried about the bond market, then you must really not like the Big Beautiful Bill that enshrines into law $4 trillion of unpaid-for tax cuts vs. $1 trillion of spending cuts.
Yeah, except that the courts applied standards (like anti-delegation, really?) which had never been applied to anyone else.
And yes, I am unhappy about the bill. I'd rather cut entitlement spending to the boomers, who are the most worthless generation to ever live in America.
The obvious answer to all this is Trump should go to Congress and the country and convince them of the need for legislation. That has been Trump's weakness -- he wants to do everything by Executive Order. The Constitution does not work that way.
Much of Trump's agenda, if passed by Congress, would not be challengeable in court. Only exception I can think of is birthright citizenship. On that I have posted here what should be done.
That argument rings really hollow when the courts let Trump's predecessor do basically whatever he wanted, especially with regard to immigration.
Trump's predecessor basically decided not to enforce immigration. The courts did not permit that, they were never called upon to do anything about it. True, it was a dereliction of duty, but that's a reason to impeach him.
Giving temporary status to millions of people was without authority.
Hear! Hear!
Basically! Never mind the USCIS deportation numbers.
You may want to look into the Title 42 policy, and how the courts thwarted Biden's attempts to end it.
Is the Senate ending the filibuster?
If Trump and the Republicans actually thought tariffs were good policy, couldn't they put them in the Big Beautiful Bill?
Image: Unemployed workers standing outside a shuttered gate.
Narrator: China and the Democrats cheered when the courts decided to kill your jobs. -- 2026 GOP ad.
Dems are cooked.
When "libertarians" are on the same side as the CCP, libertarianism is dead.
Unemployment was about 4% before all of Trump's tariffs, with steady GDP growth and inflation that had fallen to the mid-2s. If Trump wrecks the economy now, that's on him.
...and of course Trump had nothing to do with those good numbers.
He had something to do with them. The CARES Act certainly helped.
But please don't argue that Trump deserves the bulk of the credit.
Which ones, the numbers before he took office? I mean, no, not really, by the end of 2024 - though as bernard11 points out, the Trump administration did a commendable job in 2020 opening the spigot to help soften the blow from the Covid downturn.
The BLS' inflation numbers were BS. It was closer to 7-8%, and worse in assets.
If things were so great, why did 70% of Americans say the economy was bad right before the election?
The economy was great for the top 10% or so. Not so much for everyone else.
"If I reject objective, widely reported economic reality, then why am I unhappy about the economy?" is a question that does a pretty good job answering itself.
Widely reported by the financial media, that views stocks as a barometer of Americans' financial health. Not sure that's objective.
Stocks have literally nothing to do with measuring the rate of inflation.
Yes, but low rates and inflation are good for stocks, and the financial media lies about the inflation rate to justify lower interest rates to prop up stocks.
If you're concerned about high inflation, the last thing you want to do is put a big tax on all imports to make them even more expensive.
Most of those taxes would be borne by the companies, not customers.
In any case, I'm concerned with inflation in services and assets. Not goods. We have enough Chinese made dreck.
"Most of those taxes would be borne by the companies, not customers."
LOL. This is like when Trump was yelling at WalMart to somehow eat the 10% tariffs in their 3% margins.
Sure, it's likely that some of the cost of the tariffs would come at the expense of company profits (both because of reduced margin as well as reduced demand), but they would absolutely have a significant effect on the prices consumers pay as well.
As for the rest: there's nothing in this set of tariffs (or Trump's trade policy in general) that are going to address service or asset inflation. Those might be reasonable topics to try to build policy around, but it can be done completely independently of this tariff policy.
Gap just announced it would not pass through price increases. Trump was right all along.
And where did I say that the tariffs would address service or asset inflation?
"Gap just announced it would not pass through price increases. Trump was right all along."
Wal Mart, Home Depot, Macy's and Target have all said they'll have to increase prices. So... not very correct even if it ends up being true for Gap.
"Gap just announced it would not pass through price increases. Trump was right all along."
You didn't, but since tariffs will be increasing some prices and, as you now acknowledge, they won't make anything cheaper, it's a purely inflationary move in a context where you seem to think inflation is already extremely high. Sounds like a great policy!
Vote Republican! We will make sure to put judges like Tim Reif and Jane Restani on the Courts!
Three cheers for Prof Somin, who inexplicably still posts in this trump cult blog!
For once, my comment (almost certainly to be lost in the noise and fury), is not directed just at Somin, but also the left-of-center Trump haters "celebrating" this decision. You're both ridiculous:
1. Somin, because he doesn't believe in the legitimacy of tariffs, so his legal opposition was somewhat pretextual
2. The left, because you "won" this decision in large part because the court said this kind of delegation was unconstitutional: perhaps dicta, going beyond the core holding that the emergency declaration is insufficient for the president to exercise this authority, because the other requirement not met.
I've been saying for a while now that the left Never Trump Resistance™ do not object to a president having this kind of authority out of principle. They just object when a president they disagree with exercises it. We're having this moment because of the deliberate accumulated power of the administrative state, neutering Congress at the expense of the imperial presidency and experts. MAGA is absolutely a backlash against all that. You like executive orders? Well, how about these executive orders!
Me, on the other hand, truly believes in the non-delegation and MQD, not just when its convenient. Which is why I've never voted for Trump, because he is happy to exercise such authority with impunity. Personally, I'm glad to see this struck down. I just don't have patience for bad faith situational advocacy. I do credit Somin with the sincerity of his non-delegation beliefs. That just isn't his ultimate motivation here, alas.
Michael Ramsey at the Originalism blog has a good, brief analysis of why this decisions is defensible.
https://originalismblog.typepad.com/the-originalism-blog/2025/05/court-of-international-trade-holds-congress-cannot-delegate-unlimited-tariff-power-to-the-presidentm.html
I've been saying for a while now that the left Never Trump Resistance™ do not object to a president having this kind of authority out of principle
Conservative thinks liberals are in bad faith. Offers no evidence, just vibes.
What a novel and innovative take!
I'm just amazed that you alone stand apart as noble and principled.
[I've thought non-delegation should get clarity and teeth since law school. MQD is either redundant or an undirected additional judicial authority to instantiate their desired outcomes - it's dumb and bad.]
I'm amazed you can recognize my nobility, not sharing it yourself.
Some of us have been warning about this for years. Not just because of this worst case scenario, but because we believe in limited government. And we got called selfish bigots and racists for our trouble. But like I keep saying, many of you want the imperial presidency administrative state of experts. Because you think you will always control it, or it is impossible for a bad actor to possibility utilize it. Because you welcomed governing with a pen and a phone. And accused others of obsessing over a president's tan suit.
And then Trump came along. And you guys are still mostly unrepentant. Even though it's also happening to me, I am so glad it's happening to you!
Two things:
1) I don't think it's correct to characterize this opinion as relying on either nondelegation or major questions doctrine. Near the top of the opinion: "the court does not read IEEPA to confer such unbounded authority and sets aside the challenged tariffs imposed thereunder." This is purely a question of statutory interpretation and doesn't need to reach a Constitutional question at all.
It is true that the court points out that if it were to adopt Trump's interpretation of the IEEPA, that delegation would be unconstitutional, but that's not the primary way it arrives at its conclusion.
2) While many on the left (including me) may disagree with much of nondelegation doctrine as well as the major questions doctrine, like it or not we live in a world in which the Supreme Court has significantly limited the ability of the legislature to delegate to the executive. I don't see a problem with using that legal framework to push back on things that this administration is doing if we're likely to be stuck with the same restrictions in the next Democratic administration. Ayn Rand took Social Security benefits after all--she may have thought it was terrible that the program existed, but she paid her taxes and therefore had the same right as anyone else to take her benefits.
I came to the comments for the Trump-hurt.
And the ruling is stayed.
Who will be buying the beer for Ilya to cry in?
"Trump tariffs reinstated by appeals court for now"
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/29/blocked-trump-tariffs-trade-court-appeal.html
When Inspector Clouseau was asked about Mr. Somin's claim of victory, he replied, "not anymore!"
Some people would mute this commenter, but I was laughing so hard I decided to keep him as comic relief.
lol, the guy fighting the tax increases on trade is the Communist.
"Somin is a worthless communist Jewish traitor"
Gosh, I thought Republicans abruptly became anti- anti-semitism crusaders under their new god-king.
Is there a problem in the memo-distribution system or something?
Somin is a worthless communist Jewish traitor. He should be deported back to Eastern Europe.
And this is why I have so many commentors muted here.
He’s one of the more eloquent RepooplicKKKunts on this site…if I could offer him some advice always include something about Big Mike in the comment. I always include something about Melanie being the First Whore while Epstein was Trump’s First Wingman.
Aren't you Jewish?
Just stupid, inconsistent, and incoherent, like Trump's tariff rationales.
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The comment must have been removed - I no longer see it at all.
Typing "RepooplicKKKunts" is just as childish as whatever that commenter said. Grow up.
@I Callahan: Yeah, the commenting software is having a mild stroke.
I Callahan : "Typing "RepooplicKKKunts" is just as childish as whatever that commenter said. Grow up."
Three Points :
1. My own record on invective isn't spotless, but I agree.
2. That said, people tend to be situational in condemning this kind of rhetoric.
3. On a general note, I can't understand how people use c**t as an insult.
To me, it's a term of veneration....