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New Jersey Town Seeks to Condemn Church to Build a Park and Pickleball Courts
The move may be a pretext for blocking the church's plan to build a homeless shelter. If the town proceeds, it will face near-certain litigation under the federal and state constitutions.

The New York Times reports that the town of Toms River, New Jersey is planning to use eminent domain to condemn a church, raze it, and build a park and pickleball courts on the spot. The planned condemnation may be motivated by a desire to prevent the church from opening a small homeless shelter on part of its land:
Leaders of Christ Episcopal Church in Toms River, N.J., were preparing for a Cinco de Mayo festival late one night when the news began to spread: The mayor planned to use eminent domain to seize their church and its 11 acres of land.
Under his plan, the church, which was founded in 1865, would be replaced by 10 pickleball courts, a soccer field and a playground with a nautical theme, according to an engineer's drawing. The first vote by the Township Council, Toms River's governing board, was the next afternoon.
The proposal represented a curious new twist in an ongoing battle in the large Jersey Shore community. An affordable housing nonprofit that rents space from the church had asked to create a small homeless shelter on the very land the mayor now wanted to turn into a park. The request was unpopular with neighbors, and the organization was awaiting approval from a zoning board.
The mayor, Daniel T. Rodrick, called the timing a "coincidence." But opponents have condemned the park plan as a thinly disguised way to block the shelter.
The effort to buy or take the land is all but certain to face legal challenges. But it has unleashed an emotional debate over property rights, religious liberty and the limits of a community's responsibility to care for poor people….
"I am outraged," said Rabbi William Gershon of Congregation B'nai Israel, a conservative synagogue that has been in Toms River for 75 years. "If you can do it to them, you can do it to any of us."
Rabbi Gershon said members of the town's interfaith council were united in their opposition to the effort, which he considers an attempt to use "political levers to cudgel a community, almost vindictively."
Rabbi Gershon is right. This sort of use of eminent domain is abusive and unjust. As the NY Times article notes, there is substantial public opposition to the taking. The Mayor of Toms River (who supports the taking) has postponed the final town council vote on it until July 30.
If the town decides to proceed with the condemnation, it will likely be challenged in court under the state and federal constitutions, as not being for a "public use." Unfortunately, US Supreme Court precedents, such as the notorious ruling in Kelo v. City of New London (2005), hold that almost anything that might benefit the public in some way qualifies as a "public use," even if the land is going to be transferred to a private party (see my critique of this position in my book The Grasping Hand: Kelo v. City of New London and the Limits of Eminent Domain).
However, Kelo does allow courts to strike down "pretextual" condemnations where the official rationale for the taking is really a pretext for a scheme to benefit a private party. What qualifies as a pretextual taking is anything but clear! Lower courts have developed at least five different approaches for addressing such issues. For details, see my recent amicus brief urging the Court to revisit Kelo. But if the plan to condemn the church really is motivated by neighbors' complaints abut the potential homeless shelter, there is at least a plausible argument that the taking here is pretextual. That would be even more true if the plan provides for transferring some or all of the condemned property to a private owner.
New Jersey is within the jurisdiction of the US Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. In Carole Media v. N.J. Transit Corp., 550 F.3d 302 (3d Cir. 2008), that court ruled that a key criterion for identifying a pretextual taking is whether there is a private beneficiary (usually the new owner) whose identity is known in advance.
I won't go into detail here. But New Jersey courts applying their state constitutional public use clause are much less deferential than federal courts applying Kelo and other Fifth Amendment public use precedents. Just ask Donald Trump, whose effort to use eminent domain condemn a widow's home to build a parking lot for one of his casinoes got struck down by a New Jersey court in CRDA v. Banin (1998) [I had a very small role in working on that case as a law student clerk at the Institute for Justice, which represented the property owners].
Whether the Toms River Church condemnation can be successfully challenged in court is likely to depend on facts such as how detailed and extensive the development plan is, whether some or all of the property will be transferred to a new private owner (public use challenges are much more likely to succeed if the answer is "yes"), and the extent of evidence of pretextual motivation.
I intend to reach out those involved to learn the answers to these questions, and - if possible - offer assistance to the Church in fighting this condemnation. If readers have relevant contacts, please let me know.
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I’m confused as to why this post is all about the Fifth Amendment. It’s difficult to imagine a case that more clearly implicates the free exercise clause than a municipality trying to pave over a church with Pickleball courts. The spending clause enforcement legislation (RLUIPA?) may also come into play.
Heck. Phone up Josh Blackman Ilya. If his spot on that commission means anything, it surely includes investigating this!
How do you figure?
It's hard to hold Mass on a pickleball court when it's raining, for one thing.
In the case of eminent domain, the government is supposed to pay fair market value. What's fair market value for 11 acres and a 160 year old church?
Remember, they have to, in theory anyway, pay enough to compensate the current owners, enough that the current owners can purchase/build equivalent. And a church isn't a Walmart, where you don't care who the customers are, a church serves specific people.
What would be the cost of buying 11 acres and building an identical church, not just in some random place in New Jersey, but in THIS TOWN? I have to imagine it would be immense.
So I think we're aware up front that the local government has no intention of paying fair market value for the property.
That’s not how you calculate fair market value, lol.
No, that's not how you calculate value for purposes of eminent domain. Because 90% of the time, the whole point of eminent domain is to avoid paying fair market value.
Yes. If the municipalities were paying fair value, most people would just suck it up and sell voluntarily.
Homeless is always a lifestyle choice. They are drug addicts who prefer to spend stolen money on drugs than on rent. They are mental patients preferring to be away from people. Pygmies live in huts in villages. Their schizophrenics live in trees outside the village.
This scumbag church wants to force a nice place to accept these impaired people to degrade village life. The church deserves to be destroyed in self-defense. Somin is a toxic lawyer trying to destdestroy our of life. He should invite the tents of homeless people in front of his house. Post thee picture. Until then, Somin needst o stfu.
You may be right or wrong about this, but the appropriate response if you're right would be a law of genuinely general applicability about sheltering homeless people, not stealing property for a fraction of its actual value.
I have been involved in several condemnations. It is rare when the government entity pays ( or offers) anywhere close to market value.
Cowboy stadium "jerry's world" was notorious for valuing the properties on the lower of best use, instead of highest and best use.
I think the point is that fair market value is defined as what a willing buyer would pay a willing seller in a voluntary arms length transaction. Fair market value is not compensation to rebuild and relocate. You see low housing stock now for this very reason--people would pay an outsized amount of money to relocate so they are not selling.
FWIW - When "jerry world" was built, the land had a much higher value as properties ready for development, especially since there was strong interest in the development of the area. Yet, the properties were valued as of their present use..
In my kingdom it would never come to that. Jerry Jones is a private businessman and the Cowboys are a private football team organized for entertainment purposes. Those people should have to buy property like every other private person and find willing sellers.
Fair market value is not compensation...
Of course the text of the 5th Amendment says "compensation", not "fair market value".
When you selectively edit the quote, you look correct!
Yes, the 5A says that you are entitled to "compensation." Compensation is universally held to be fair market value. This value does not usually or always equal the cost it would require one to relocate and rebuild elsewhere.
Compensation is universally held to be fair market value.
Yes, but part of what we're complaining about is what the courts have "universally" held.
This value does not usually or always equal the cost it would require one to relocate and rebuild elsewhere.
And another part of what we're complaining about is that it's usually less than what it would take to relocate. Which takes it back to Brett's observation that it's screwing one person for the benefit of others.
The term used is "just compensation"
That has universally been held to be fair market value.
However since the term used was "just" should the compensation include both the FMV plus the costs associated with replacing the property and other ancillary costs such as moving costs?
" Fair market value is not compensation to rebuild and relocate. You see low housing stock now for this very reason--people would pay an outsized amount of money to relocate so they are not selling."
Do you not see that you're contradicting yourself? Saying there's low housing stock is just a way of saying that most owners won't sell at current prices. Because the price necessary to make them "willing sellers" DOES include the cost of relocation.
The sales that actually happened were the ones where the buyers were willing to meet that price.
Or it could be because the sales that do happen are from sellers without mortgages and don't have to refinance at higher rates. In any event, the value of the land does not depend on the owner's personal financial circumstances.
What if the homeowner's house is fully mortgaged, has terrible credit, and any new mortgage would cost him 23.99% APR? Are you saying that he should get more from the government at an eminent domain sale than a homeowner who could replace his house with cash?
In any event, the value of the land does not depend on the owner's personal financial circumstances.
You're acting like there is a single possible definition of value. We fully understand that there is a way cities and judges currently define it, and we are questioning whether that is a good way to do it.
Someone who believes in free markets would say that trade is always the result of the two parties having different opinions of the property's value. A third party observer can declare that the selling price is the so-called free market value, but in reality the buyer valued it higher and the seller valued it less.
Right, because if the buyer valued it lower and the seller more, the sale wouldn't have happened.
You've got some distribution of values placed on things by buyers, and by sellers, and the actual transactions only happen where the distribution intersects.
Well I guess that settles that!
I disagree. That doctrine would elevate churches to a position above the law of general applicability. The city could take my house or my business for a public park, but not a church. That would have some establishment clause problems, even under the relaxed current regime.
You’re litigating the old argument that RFRA violates the establishment clause. I am sympathetic to that position, but it’s one the court has emphatically rejected.
Even still, I doubt it here. The town is obviously retaliating against the church for fulfilling its religious mission to help the poor. That + the targeting is enough for strict scrutiny.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe the RFRA applies to state and local governments.
It did, but SCOTUS held that part unconstitutional. City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U.S. 507 (1997). It still applies to the federal government.
The Court has been moving closer to overruling Smith and restoring RFRA nationwide. RLUIPA also applies to municipalities.
RLUIPA applies to land use regulations not the total taking of property. Are you claiming that RLUIPA prevents the taking of church property?
"The town is obviously retaliating "
"Obviously" is doing a lot of work here, without some sort of corroborating evidence that the mayor is lying about the motive...could be, but the article (or at least the quoted part) is shy of any sort of smoking gun.
I meant “obviously” assuming that this theoretical Fifth Amendment pretext claim has a factual basis. Whatever sky high standard would need to be satisfied to overcome government deference there would logically easily support a lesser showing of religious discrimination under Arlington Heights.
"That doctrine would elevate churches to a position above the law of general applicability."
Isn't part of the point of constitutional rights that whatever they protect, (Religion in this case.) can't just be run over roughshod? Government is supposed to work around such rights, not just ignore them.
In any event, I'd say that eminent domain definitionally is never a law of general applicability, because it's exercise inherently involves picking who it gets applied to.
Looking at a satellite view, the area around the church is one huge golf course, acre after acre of land where they wouldn't have to demolish buildings. There even appears to be a comparably large corner of the golf course that's undeveloped! Not far away there are substantial areas of undeveloped property.
It really does look like they went out of their way to go after the church land, they didn't lack for options.
Yes, but you cannot claim exemption from law because you are a religious organization. If other buildings in the community are subject to eminent domain, then the church is as well. If they are targeting it BECAUSE it is a church, then that is a problem.
Your point about other suitable properties might go to show that they don't NEED to condemn this church, and in my kingdom that would control the day, but AFAIK there is no requirement that the government look to the "least restrictive alternative" or some such test in this area. If they want that land, they get it.
If you can't ever claim exemption from law because you're a religious organization, then a good deal of the 1st amendment goes up in smoke. The whole POINT of explicitly granting rights in a constitution is to privilege certain private sector choices over the preferences of the legislators.
I disagree. That doctrine would elevate churches to a position above the law of general applicability.
That relative value judgement was set by The People well over 200 years ago. Religion is more important. We won't even get into the idiotic nature of the current state of the law, where "laws of general applicability" somehow get the honor of overriding fundamental rights.
The city could take my house or my business for a public park, but not a church.
This is a problem, but you're facing the wrong direction! "Why can't they punch that guy, too?"
And the answer was given above already, if one wonders.
That would have some establishment clause problems, even under the relaxed current regime.
There are no establishment clause problems. The First Amendment is clear.
Government weasels often "exempt" religion from taxes and so on, feigning it's by their good grace, so watch it, religion!
There was a case where the court tangentially addressed it. "Imagine a church that didn't pay its property taxes, and got it seized." Now you have a law interfering with the free exercise of religion. Warning shot made. This was written in a context of religious exemption being entangling, pointing out that not exempting religion was far more entangling.
We The People informed government, when We created it, of the relative value judgements of laws and our pets like religion, and speech, and the press, amd the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances.
It's unseemly, I might add, for rights philosophers and defenders, to look to weasels and their arguments to abridge rights, easily and positiviely, as if the weasel desire to control is the proper default state, rather than its just the multimillenial disease vector of humanity.
"Rights philosophers and defenders", ha ha, AKA good Americans!
+1
There's no such thing as a taking of general applicability, this taking specifically targets a church.
And under the court's recently adopted MFN approach, I don't know if they can decide that pickleball is a preferable use to worship.
And what argument could possibly be presented in support of that position?
I was wondering the same thing. The article says:
"Under his plan, the church, which was founded in 1865, would be replaced by 10 pickleball courts, a soccer field and a playground with a nautical theme, according to an engineer's drawing."
Sounds like this would be a public park. Sure sounds like a public use to me.
I agree. I mean, I disagree overall with the whole doctrine, but it seems like a public park would clearly qualify as public use under pre-Kelo cases.
I guess if the city charged admission it would be a closer case.
Ditto on the pretextual stuff. It's not obvious how a city park would be part of a 'scheme to benefit a [particular] private party'?
More of a 'scheme to prevent the church from using it's own property in a (Presumably legal, or they could oppose it more easily.) way the local government doesn't like'.
The "pretextual" exception in Kelo has always been hard to define. Indeed, how in Kelo itself was it not applicable? Is all you need to do is to cite to the public benefits that will flow and pinky swear that those are what you really, really want? The mayor's brother getting rich is secondary?
The church's web site has a discussion of the issue, along with contact info for the church. There are also links to a petition and a goFundMe. The Rector is Rev. Lisa Hoffman. In the Episcopal Church, the church property is typically owned by the diocese, in this case the Diocese of New Jersey. The Bishop (of the Diocese of NJ), Rt. Rev. Sally French, was scheduled to meet this morning with legal representatives from the church, Diocese, and national church. I'm sure they would greatly appreciate your insights and assistance.
So Rev. Lisa and Rev. Sally are in charge of this so-called church? Pickleball courts would be an improvement.
"episcopal" ... What "religion" is that ? ... lbgt,etc,etc; liberal progressive/ism; ... ???
I am offended that the word "church" is used following "episcopal".
Perhaps Prof somin will provide the "statutory" and "case law" definitions of "religion" and "church". Are each dependent on the other, i.e., does "church" need a modifier ?
Separately, can a "nonprofit" enterprise providing "homeless shelter" qualify under IRC 501(c)(whatever) is it accepts government funding (including favorable government tax treatment) ?
Given the "politicization" of the "episcopal" political party is it now to be accepted that all "offices" of political parties are "churches" and if so are political parties now to be considered "religions" ?
Seems there may be some unexplored "establishment clause" issues.
Especially, can the term "religion" be defined without describing "government" (as the People currently suffer government) ?
Good point. The Episcopal Church has abandoned Christianity in favor of LGBTQ wokeness.
That you disagree with their theology doesn't make them any less a valid religion for First Amendment purposes. You really want the government deciding what it, and what is not, true religion? What could possibly go wrong?
The government does decide what religions it recognizes. LGBTQ is not a religion. Not one that deserves recognition, anyway.
As a gay guy, I wasn't notified that we were all declaring for 501(c)3 tax exempt status as a religion. Can you show me where someone tried to incorporate... sexuality as a religion?
Just set up an episcopal church.
History teaches many a "pagan sect" of the Roman Empire in Constantine's time and before included rituals which involved perverse sexual acts.
Constantine, in response to his mother, Empress Helena, noting/following the spread of Christian sects, "established" a state religion [nka The Roman Catholic (greek for "universal") Church] incorporating a forced consolidation of then Christian sects with various "universal" myths and rituals from among the many diverse pagan sects.
An "establishment of religion" to validate the Emperor and perpetuate the Roman Empire; and which beatified Helena.
And, which adopted the word "church" to describe a theocracy, denomination, building. Etmology: originally from the Greek word "kyriakē" means "Lord's Day" or "belonging to the Lord"; yet today, to Christians: a body of believers who confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
[As an aside, during the last few days Putin made known that the Vatican would not be a "neutral meeting place" for peace talks.
Likely because the roman church has long been a primary supporter of the ukrainian orthodox church; the latter not recognized by the russian orthodox church.
Perhaps also as, the roman church has been said to be in its third pornocracy since the early 1960s.]
LGBTQ has some religion-like aspects, though I will agree it's not technically a religion. But the issue is whether things that actually are religions cease to be so because they don't share your prejudices. And the answer to that is a clear and resounding no.
I think the bigger issue is 11 acres....
You could look at this as two competing approaches to the same problem. The Church would like to build a homeless shelter and the City wants instead to build a park where the homeless will likely loiter and camp.
No, it's way more than that.
https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/rodrick-wins-toms-river-mayoral-primary-unseating-incumbent-mayor/
They are worried about an orthodox Jewish development.
And attempting to fire a tenured teacher ain't easy.
https://www.app.com/story/news/politics/ocean-county/2025/02/18/middletown-schools-toms-river-mayor-dan-rodrick-leave/79103743007/
All I learned from this is that Somin's anti-Trump lawfare goes back to 1998.
Roger S. The S stands for "Screw That Widow!!"
"Public use" should never have been allowed to justify condemnation for parks or schools. It should have been limited to instances where a particular piece of land was needed for infrastructure and there was no feasible alternative. For example, an approach ramp to a bridge or a rail line.
A park, police station, school, or post office can always be built somewhere else.
You’re welcome to propose a constitutional amendment. But under the constitution as written, parks and schools are very traditional public uses, and courts have no warrant to substitute their own values about what kinds of puic uses merit takings.
There may be an Establishment or Free Exercise Clause problem. But there is no Takings Clause problem.
I think the courts are fully competent to distinguish between "we need a public park and this is the only or at least most practical place to build it" and "this property owner is going to do something we don't like so we will make up a public purpose in order to condemn the land."
I'm sure they're competent to, the question is whether or not they want to.
Firstly, the fact that a city or state is permitted to do something under the Constitution doesn't mean that more restrictive statutes or applications can't be implemented. Secondly, at the time of the founding, eminent domain's use was much more limited. Whether or not a park should qualify can be debated, but certainly not as a pretext for shoving out someone you don't like.
This mayor is a grade A clown. Currently being fired by the school district where he teaches for conducting mayoral business during the school day and not grading kid's assignments. Has picked a very public feud with Jon Bon Jovi for having the gall to open a soup kitchen in his city. Might as well be the Emperor of NIMBY.
Do you know how hard it is to fire a teacher???
This sounds like a policy dispute. I'm sympathetic to those who oppose the taking. But it sounds like a policy dispute.
The plan is to take property for public use. Sometimes, state law (including RFRAs) or the federal Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act will complicate things.
But other times, it is just that people don't like the public use, which can be stupid or misguided.
"Public use" should never have been allowed to justify condemnation for parks or schools
Or, perhaps, elective branches should decide what public use is necessary. Parkland, by the way, is not totally fungible. There are only a limited number of places ideal to build a park, including to the degree it is convenient for people to use.
I agree that, as a court case, it sounds weak.
But as a policy matter, razing a 160 year old church seems extreme. I think it likely there are other places in Toms River that could have a park. I have been there, and there is lots of open land there.
Or take 6 acres and leave the church on 5.
I think if they did that the religion claim would be a lot weaker. I’m surprised they are going for the whole thing.
To me, this is really about Ocean Grove, BL. That is the ultimate prize. It is an unincorporated area (rare for NJ), pop ~3.5K. Qui bono?
Who are the contractors in the running to get the development job(s), if eminent domain is used by Toms River? Who does the contracting work now in Toms River area? I would start there, if you want to look at potential private beneficiaries and pretextual takings.
As a court case it sounds weak because 1st amendment protections of religion have been downgraded substantially by the Court from what they used to be. Remember, the second "R" in "RFRA" stands for "Restoration". The Court's scaling back of religious liberty in Employment Division v. Smith was considered so outrageous at the time that the RFRA passed the House unanimously, and 97-3 in the Senate. Introduced by Chuck Schumer and Ted Kennedy!
That "neutral laws of general applicability" test the Court came up with was a huge change in the way religious liberty was treated, and very widely considered to be an outrage. It reduced a basic constitutional right to barely more than a tiebreaker.
I was directly concerned about this comment:
"A park, police station, school, or post office can always be built somewhere else."
In certain communities, there are limited options for such things. In this case, I question the public necessity of this spot.
The original justification of eminent domain, as I understand it, was to deal with situations where the government "needed" to do something, and "needed" a specific parcel of land in order to do it. Like, they are building a bridge over a river, and there's really only one suitable location.
Obviously in such a circumstance, the owner of the parcel would ordinarily have a huge amount of negotiating power, and could require an extortionate payment to sell voluntarily.
So the government is empowered to force the sale at a non-extortionate, but just price. The goal was not to enable the government to rip people off, but just to get a normal market price for the land. The price the owner would have sold at if dealing with a buyer who could take it or leave it.
Such is the theoretical justification for eminent domain, and if its use were restricted to such cases, fine.
But instead, the usual application of eminent domain is that the government wants a parcel of land, and wants it at a bargain price. So it forces a sale at a price that the owner would never have agreed to, not because they're trying to rip the government off, but just because it leaves the owner worse off than before.
So, PROPERLY, here, you should be asking, "Does the town need to build their pickleball courts RIGHT THERE for some reason?" And the obvious answer is that they don't, there are multiple alternate locations.
And you should be asking, "Is the offering price leaving the Church no worse off after the sale than before?", which is what a "just" price would do. And the answer to that is almost certainly a resounding "NO!", because it would have taken a mid-sized fortune to get the church to sell an historic 160 year old church, they don't exactly grow on trees.
The root of the problem, of course, is that eminent domain is not remotely restricted to it's theoretically justified area of application, and the courts seldom require a genuinely just price, either. It's just routinely used to rip people off, to obtain land at bargain basement prices.
This relates directly to a general theme of governmental theory at the time of the founding: That the purpose of government was to advance the general welfare of society as a whole, NOT the specific welfare of particular people, and that the cost of advancing the general welfare had to fall generally, not be imposed on specific people.
So if the government needs some land (or any other good) for the benefit of society, it can't just dump the cost of that on the land owner by confiscating the land, it must PAY for the land, and tax society generally to finance the purchase.
As government has shifted into more of a "Rob Peter to buy Paul's votes" mode of operation, this general principle gets abused more and more. You can't buy Paul's votes if you have to tax Paul to pay for the purchase, after all... Only by imposing costs HERE, and granting benefits THERE, can you pull it off.
That eminent domain routinely under-compensates property owners is a natural element of this evolution away from one of our founding principles.
I generally agree with what you are saying. The issue I can see is that every landowner could say that the pickleball courts could be built somewhere else and they would all be right. Someone is going to have to be subject to eminent domain.
Someone is going to have to be subject to eminent domain.
Seems to me you are making an unwarranted assumption that none of the other property owners would be willing to sell if a decent offer was made, or if the city requested bids for land to build pickleball courts.
Also, upthread you defined fair market value as what a willing buyer would pay a willing seller. Then we say there are zero willing sellers, but nevertheless we can somehow accurately calculate what hypothetical non-existent people would have sold the property for. It seems to like like a straight up denial the factual reality that scarcity drives up price.
No, you hypothesize that they ARE willing sellers who would part with their property for a fair price.
I don't want to sell my house and I will likely die here. Now, if someone offered me a coo-coo crazy price, I would probably sell. That doesn't mean that the fair market value is now the coo-coo crazy price because that is where I would be "willing." It is objective, not subjective.
No, the "fair" price of a property IS just exactly the price they'd be willing to part with their property for.
If that were the case, what would be the point of eminent domain?
Um, no.
The purpose of eminent domain isn't to let government force somebody to sell unreasonably cheap, it's to keep somebody in a strategic position from getting a windfall because the government has no other option but that specific plot of land.
If there's no specific plot of land that's needed, if there are multiple options, and nobody is selling at the price the government is offering, it's because the government isn't offering enough.
But, as I said above, 90% of eminent domain is abusive, it's the government forcing somebody to sell below the actual market price. Because the government is setting the price, and the courts aren't really interested in enforcing that requirement that it be "just".
Because, in the end, the courts are part of that government, and not at all impartial...
Most people don't have their property listed for sale and are thus not interested in selling. We don't count those people for FMV purposes.
If there are 3 suitable locations in town for the park and none of the 3 owners want to sell, that does not necessarily mean that the offering price is too low. It just means that those owners are happy with their property and would rather have the money than the fair value. If they would rather have the money, the property would be listed for sale.
You are loading the dice by trying to set the price at what an unwilling seller would demand for his property that he otherwise does not want to sell. That's not the proper measure.
^Sorry...they would rather have the property than the fair market value of the property.
"If there are 3 suitable locations in town for the park and none of the 3 owners want to sell, that does not necessarily mean that the offering price is too low. "
No, it does mean exactly that, and nothing else. That IS the proper measure, because it IS their property.
That defeats the entire concept of eminent domain. You don't get the price at which you as a non-willing seller WOULD finally bite, but the fair market value that a willing seller would sell for.
You've once again stumbled into BrettLaw. Your take reads a clause out of the Constitution. Because you don't like it.
There is no clearer sign that your supposed originalist protests that the Court and commenters here are all liars is just vibes. Your originalism is cover for personal preference.
You have not bothered to provide any history or practice, just your vibes.
You insist everyone hew to BrettLaw, but it is just your vibes.
I find myself surprised that Toms River didn’t limit itself to the extra lot and leave the church itself and a few of the 11 acres intact. It doesn’t strike me that this would have raised nearly the Establishment Clause issue that condemning and raising the entire church would.
In general, I don’t think churches get exemptions to general zoning laws to do things like building housing. They don’t have any religious obligation to use a specific particular piece of property. And I don’t think zoning a particular piece of property impedes them.
I also in general think careful balancing is needed that sometimes requires common sense and standards rather than bright-line rules. Using Judiasm as an example, zoning which permits only a house of worship every few miles and requires large parking lots inhibits Orthodox Jews from having synagogues they can walk to on the Sabbath. On the other hand, if 21 Jewish families take advantage of the fact that Orthodox Jews pray 3 times a day to create a synagogue in a room in each member’s house and use it for one service a week, with all the associated tax exemptions, I think a town is permitted to disallow this as essentially a tax dodge, even though each synagogue individually may meet the requirements.
So there is a line somewhere in between that enables synogogues sufficiently dense that Orthodox Jews can walk there, but not so dense that they are essentially taking advantage of religious tax benefits rather than meeting genuine religous needs. Nothing written in the Constitution says where the line is. But I think it has to be there somewhere for both religion and local government to be able to function. Hopefully people of good will can negotiate in good faith and find it amicably. But when they can’t, courts must draw the line as best they can.
"I find myself surprised that Toms River didn’t limit itself to the extra lot and leave the church itself and a few of the 11 acres intact."
This, combined with the fact that there are equivalent or better parcels literally within walking distance of this one, leads me to the conclusion that there was some serious animus motivating this action. It's not hard to figure out that if all they wanted were the pickleball courts they had other, probably better, options.
"In general, I don’t think churches get exemptions to general zoning laws to do things like building housing. "
Perhaps the town's general zoning laws didn't happen to prohibit what the church was doing... That would be my guess, since if they did, no taking would have been required.
Brett found another conspiracy!
It's not hard to find when the whole point of the OP was to discuss it.
The facts are insufficient to support your telepathic findings.
Again, I say: The point of the OP was just exactly to discuss this exact conspiracy! "The move may be a pretext for blocking the church's plan to build a homeless shelter."
So, direct your complaint to Somin. Berate him all you like for proposing, unthinkably, that a local government just might have impure motives in trying to raze a 160 year old church.
Your absolute conviction that, no matter what government does, (Unless Trump is somehow involved, of course.) their motives must be assumed to be purer than the driven snow, is extremely tiresome. It doesn't survive even a passing exposure to real world government.
Just follow the money, Brett. Then it will become clear; it almost always does. There are no pure motives here by the Mayor and town council.
Yeah, I'd ding Somin for his 'may be' needless speculation. He does that and it's bad.
But you don't bother with such. You go straight to "there was some serious animus motivating this action."
I'm not convinced of anything; you often come back when I say you didn't support your conclusion by saying well I didn't support the opposite conclusion.
But I'm not like you and didn't come in with a bespoke conclusion aligning with my priors. I just noted how you're going off.
Seems there's going to be litigation and certainly reporting on this. The full facts will come out, I'm sure.
Maybe your story will be true, maybe it won't. It's not yet supported, that's for sure.
So for now, no need to make stuff up to cover what we don't know yet.
ReaderY said, "I find myself surprised that Toms River didn’t limit itself to the extra lot and leave the church itself and a few of the 11 acres intact."
I replied, "This, combined with the fact that there are equivalent or better parcels literally within walking distance of this one, leads me to the conclusion that there was some serious animus motivating this action. It's not hard to figure out that if all they wanted were the pickleball courts they had other, probably better, options."
That is to say, I reasoned that there had to be animus, because they,
1. Took more land than they needed for their announced purpose,
and,
2. They had less disruptive and probably cheaper options in the immediate area.
Neither point makes sense without animus. The church was being deliberately targeted.
You "reasoned" based on incomplete facts. And failure to consider possible alternative explanations.
That's not reasoning.
You do this a lot.
And no, BL's Internet gumshoe act below doesn't count as additional facts.
I beat BL to said internet gumshoe act, and yes, it does count as additional facts.
So drop your "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying aerial photography" bit. The evidence on hand may not be comprehensive, but what evidence we do have points to the church being deliberately targeted.
Contextless outsiders Googling around is how you get Pizzagate. It's not actual evidence of what's going on.
Yeah, we get it: "I don't like the conclusion the evidence points to, so I'm going to futilely forbid you to speculate based on it."
I ask for evidence.
You provide vibes and call it evidence.
I would note that the facts will come out; you don't need to speculate. But you can't resist yet again indulging in 'reasoning' that validates your priors once again.
So I went on Google maps to see the site. The address is Christ Episcopal Church, 415 Washington St, Toms River, NJ 08753
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Christ+Episcopal+Church/@39.9513449,-74.18488,775m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c19dd997f0e257:0xc7d9b36b5091536e!8m2!3d39.9513449!4d-74.18488!16s%2Fg%2F1tt8d54g?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUyMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Right next to the church lot is an empty lot. And next to that is the Toms River Country Club. So Constitutional issues aside, this stinks like five-day-old fish.
Maybe the golf course brings a tremendous amount of economic benefit to the community. Why are we assuming that the golf course has to go? Remember, under Smith, the church doesn't get preferential treatment.
It's one of those cases where none of the parties should win.
I was on the church's side over a pickleball court until I heard about the homeless shelter.
I'm a little confused on this issue. Is the mayor a superhero who is immune to bullets? Are the members of the town council originally from the planet Krypton. Oh, wait. They were abducted my an Asia drug lord who had his henchmen conceal bags of a miracle drug in them and as the drug seeps into their blood system they gain supernatural abilities?
Tar and feathers. Some assembly required.
In Florida the municipality has to pay for the homeowner's attorney and appraiser to fight the eminent domain in court.