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Federal Court Issues Two Important Rulings Against Trump in Alien Enemies Act Case
Federal district court Judge Fernando Rodriguez ruled that Trump invoked the AEA illegally, and that migrants threatened with deportation under the Act can file class action habeas petitions.

Today, US District Court Judge Fernando Rodriguez (Southern District, Texas) issued two important ruling against the Trump Administration in J.A.V. v. Trump, an Alien Enemies Act case. The first holds that Trump's invocation of the AEA is "unlawful" and imposes a permanent injunction against its use against migrants involved in the lawsuit. The second certifies that Venezuelan migrants targeted by Trump's invocation of the Act may file a habeas corpus class action to challenge its use against them.
The AEA can only be used to detain and deport immigrants in the event of a declared war, or an "invasion" or "predatory incursion" perpetrated by a "foreign nation or government." Judge Rodriguez, a Trump appointee, ruled that the AEA's use by Trump against Venezuelan migrants who are supposed members of the Tren de Aragua drug gang is illegal because TdA's activities don't qualify as an "invasion" or "predatory incursion":
Petitioners' briefing contains numerous sources contemporaneous to the enactment of the AEA in which "invasion" and "predatory incursion" expressly reference or imply military action.Those sources include dictionary definitions, historical records such as letters, and court decisions….
Respondents do not challenge these usages. Instead, they contend that other
contemporaneous sources reflect a broader understanding of "invasion," with no express or implicit military requirement. In support of their construction, however, they provide only two examples, both of them from dictionaries….To augment the parties' submissions, the Court reviewed numerous historical records using "invasion," "predatory incursion," and "incursion" for the period from 1780 through 1820…. In the significant majority of the records, the use of "invasion" and "predatory incursion" referred to an attack by military forces. This held true even when the historical record did not concern the Revolutionary War or the War of 1812. The usages of "predatory incursion" at times referred to entries by Native Americans into the western territories, as did usages of "incursion." But even these records refer to an organized group of armed individuals entering an area to attack a fort, settlement, or town, and the writer typically discussed the need for a military response to the entry….
The Court's research for judicial decisions that utilized "predatory incursion" during the relevant time period returned only two results. In both usages, the courts referenced "predatory incursions" to describe conduct by Native Americans, in one instance as part of an "Indian war" and in the other in connection with the authority of a military officer. See Huidekoper's Lessee v. Douglass, 3 Cranch 1, 7 U.S. 1, * 7 (1805) (explaining the passage of a statute as motivated by the fact that "an Indian war existed on [Pennsylvania's] frontier[,]" and the state's population were "bound by their dearest interests to watch and repel the predatory incursions of the Indians"); Russell's Lessee v. Baker, 1 H. & J. 71, 1800 WL 441, at *6 (Gen. Ct. Maryland 1800) ("But it does not follow under this grant of power that he had a right to declare war or make peace; for there is no instance of a captain general of an army having the power, as captain general, to do either. The powers, granted under this section of the charter were granted to guard against and repel the predatory incursions of the Indians . . . and to prevent and to suppress insurrections[.]")….
Judge Rodriguez also notes that references to "invasion" in the Constitution refer to armed military attacks, and this should affect interpretations of its use in the AEA, enacted just a few years earlier.
He also rejects the idea that the meaning of "invasion" and "predatory incursion" are "political questions" not subject to judicial review.
This ruling follows similar decisions by a federal district court in Colorado, and Judge Henderson of DC Circuit, all of which also rejected the "political question" argument and held that, in the AEA, "invasion" and "predatory incursion" refer to armed attacks. Multiple earlier court decisions have reached the same conclusion with respect to the meaning of "invasion" in the Constitution. There is a growing consensus on this question among both liberal and conservative judges. The Colorado decision was issued by a liberal Biden appointee. But Henderson and Rodriguez are both conservative Republican appointees. So far, Judge James Ho of the Fifth Circuit is the sole judicial dissenter on the meaning of "invasion." I critiqued his position here.
I have defended the view that "invasion" requires a military attack, in greater detail in my own previous writings on the meaning of the term in the AEA and the Constitution.
There is one potentially significant flaw in Judge Rodriguez's analysis. While he concludes that the meaning of "invasion" is not a "political question," he argues that the factual determination of whether an "invasion" exists is. So far, the Trump Administration has not claimed there is an armed attack on the US conducted by a foreign nation or government, and thus he rules against them. But if Trump - or a future president - were willing to lie about this issue, and falsely assert there is such an armed attack, Judge Rodriguez would presumably defer.
I think this reasoning is a mistake. Making determinations about relevant facts is a standard function of the judiciary. If the law says the government is allowed to do X whenever Y occurs, courts must make a determination on whether Y has actually happened or not. Otherwise, the government could do X anytime it wants. This is especially true of emergency wartime powers that severely curtail civil liberties, like those authorized by the AEA (detention and deportation with little due process, even for legal immigrants). I would add that, under the Constitution, a state of "invasion" allows state governments to "engage in war" in response and the federal government to suspend the writ of habeas corpus (thereby empowering it to detain people - including US citizens - without due process). Such sweeping authority cannot simply be left to the unreviewable discretion of one person. That's the kind of arbitrary royal prerogative the Founders sought to prevent.
It may be reasonable to defer to the executive on factual issues when the evidence is close, and ambiguous, and the government is making use of some kind of superior expertise. But not when the assertion that an "invasion" exists is pretty obviously false, and pretextual.
I will not comment on the class action ruling in detail, as I am not a class action expert. But it is significant. For reasons I summarized here and here, class action certification is crucial to ensuring that migrants targeted for deportation under the AEA have a meaningful opportunity to contest the government's actions in court.
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Proves the point. Judge decisions are no more than feelings, biases, bad moods, hanger, cultural imitation in the capital of rent seeking, and 90% Democrat. The case should be decided where these gangs have terrorized the locals. The lawyer is giving due process to a powerful military invading force. They have stinger missiles and submarines. This Hispanic judge is a collaborator.
Under the law, they are not a military invading force. They are just criminals. Even if it’s true that they have missiles and submarines, having those things isn’t what defines a military. Militaries also have guns, but most people who have guns are not in the military.
What if a gang has substantial political control of a nation state? Where do you think the Maduro sister got her $4 billion in Swiss banks? The Mexican drug cartel governs half the land mass of Mexico. One wonders how much of the $2 billion Democrat election budget came from cartel front organizaions and companies.
Judge Fernando Rodriguez is a communist. And probably MS13/TdA plant.
I wonder who could have nominated a judge like that!
(FWIW, he was confirmed by a 96-0 vote in the Senate.)
Seems like that proves a bit too much, dunnit? Look at the typical vote split for Trump's nominees. Every single Dem piling on in favor pretty much screams "ringer."
Uh, Judge Rodriguez is a Trump appointee, LoB.
Don't know about that but he is clearly in error. He has no business second guessing President Trump's findings. He is grossly overstepping his authority. The usual crowd here will get some sick pleasure in celebrating this judicial overreach, like they always do. (I guess they really despise democracy). Doesn't matter in the end. This nonsense will not last long.
"He has no business second guessing President Trump's findings"
Then who does?
The next person elected president. Or Congress, to the extent any legislation didn’t conflict with art. II, and if they could override any veto.
So the Judiciary has zero ability to reign in a president who is violating the law and/or Constitution?
Let's say the parties in Congress were switched. Under your scenario Trump could blatantly violate the law, judges could do not thing, and even if Congress passed a law to reign in the president, he could just veto it.
That is absurd and has no basis in the Constitution. The president is not a king.
And a judge is not the commander in chief. He has no role in matters within the authority of the executive branch. The only lawless conduct here is from the judiciary. Sorry you can’t grasp this. Maybe they do things differently in your country?
That is a radical perspective that shits on the concept of "rule of law" and following the Constitution.
The Constitution is the highest law and these disgraceful excuses for federal judges are violating the law. Yeah, you’re right, that is radical.
Do you find the requirement that the president faithfully execute the laws to be optional?
Judges have a clear oversight role in executive branch matters. One of the Presidents duties is to enforce the law. But the President has to act according to the law. He isn’t a king. One job of judges is to interpret the law and decide if the President’s acts are legal. That gives judges, and ultimately the Supreme Court veto power over many of the Presidents actions.
And now that commie Josh Blackman wants Ketanji Brown to overstep her boundaries and override the internal governance decisions of the Maine state legislature. Federalism! Separation of powers! The judiciary has to stay in its lane.
Have you read the orders, Riva? Yes or no? Judge Rodriguez expressly declined to second guess President Trump's factual findings. He instead deemed such findings, even if true, to be insufficient as a matter of law to support the instant proclamation under the AEA.
Facts matter. So does the absence of facts.
Judge Rodriguez is actually quite deferential to President Trump, applying the Baker v. Carr, 369 U.S. 186, 216 (1962) criteria to the Alien Enemies Act (Docket Entry 58, pp. 14-17) and opining (p. 17) that "[o]nce a court defines the parameters of what conduct constitutes an “invasion” or “predatory incursion” for purposes of the AEA, the court leaves to the Executive Branch the determination of whether such conduct has been perpetrated, attempted, or threatened." The judge accordingly declined expressly to reach whether TdA itself represents a “foreign nation or government.” Id., at fn10.
Judge Rodriguez ruled (<id., at 33-34) that:
(Footnotes omitted.)
Whatever he claims to be doing, he is, in fact, improperly second guessing the commander in chief’s assessment of the threat under the guise of a dishonest “legal” review.
Have you read the orders, Riva? Yes or no?
Whenever I ask you that, you invariably run away like a scalded dog.
No, I ignore an asinine and insulting insinuation masquerading as a question. Enough with this BS. Defend the merits of your argument or shut the f up.
Thank you for your belated candor, Riva. So what qualifies you to comment on an opinion and order that you admit having not read?
And we’re done here. Just curious, do you happen to know a good site where commenters can actually have reasonable exchanges on current legal issues? Because this definitely ain’t it.
4chan? They say there’s a bunch of white supremacist incels out there. Try that.
No, he's improperly failing to second guess the lunatic-in-chief's obvious lies. He is, however, properly interpreting the statute, which is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department.
The commander in chief gets to give orders to the military. It is the job of Congress to make the rules for when the military can be used, and the job of the courts to make sure the president is obeying those rules.
(I just wanted to note that I was responding to Riva's claim, but of course this has nothing to do with the military and therefore nothing to do with the president being commander-in-chief anyway. ICE is not a branch of the armed forces.)
You control both houses. You could get Congress to clarify this.
Go ahead, people in power. Let's see democracy in action!
Riva tantrum in 3… 2… 1…
Waiting...
Always ignore a child having a fit. It’s the only way they’ll learn.
Instead of messing around with 200+ year old dictionaries, wouldn't it have been easier to apply one or more different canons of interpretation? I don't have any textbooks on US statutory interpretation on hand, but a UK court would have probably said that in case of uncertainty it will favour the interpretation that safeguards liberty. In other countries they would have applied a canon that disfavours interpretations of statutes that raise constitutional concerns, which amounts to the same thing.
Not at all. There is no public interest whatsoever in the liberty of our country’s enemies. Until the AEA was passed, the common law was in effect; and at common law alien enemies were legally outlaws, people entirely without the protection of the law, who could be robbed, raped, or killed on sight, at pleasure, by any citizen. In this respect the AEA serves to protect alien enemies, and to serve as an orderly and more humane substitute for the lynching, perhaps including torture, that the citizenry would otherwise be entitled to bestow on them. The court in Quirin, noting that this nation’s treatment of aliens had evolved considerably since then, nonetheless suggested that this state of affairs would have been entirely constitutional if Congress had chosen to leave things that way.
So no. It’s just statutory interpretation. It’s similar to abortion. There’s no presumption that when there is a dispute about whether a fetus is abortable or not, we err on the side of non-abortability because “the constitution protects life.” It provides no such protection in the abortion context. It’s similar here.
By way of example, suppose Al Qaida had had a functioning government similar to the Islamic State. I think 9/11 was a predatory incursion, but it’s arguable. Should courts have said we can’t apply a military response to 9/11 because we “err on the side of liberty?” It would have been absurd.
I think the TdA situation is not even close to a military action. But if it were close, like 9/11, where it was argued in a number of quarters that our response should have been only law enforcement and not military, I think the President gets the benefit of the doubt.
9/11 was a predatory incursion - the question was whether it was associated with a foreign government or nation and if so, does it require direct association with a foreign government or simply assistance with a foreign government. To what is extent was the taliban part of a foreign government and to what extent was the taliban associated with the facilitation of 9/11?
Same with TdA, which is part of a predatory incursion. The same question was whether it was associated with a foreign government or nation and if so, does it require direct association with a foreign government or simply assistance with a foreign government. In this case, what extent did Venzuala assist in the incursion. Likewise, does Mexico and other central american countries involved or assist/facilitate the movement of TdA through their countries?
[Citation needed.]
Poe's Law?? If so, it's pretty clever.
The law of common sense and not suicidal lawyer rent seeking. Due process has no scientific validation whatsoever. It does not even have reliability (repeatability) statistics. Would the same judge make the same decision before or after having a sandwich with a change in moods? Due process is lawyer make work quackery. It is defrauding the tax payer.
This is a lie. Murder is still murder, even if the victim is an illegal alien. Hell, even if they're a violent, escaped criminal not threatening anyone.
The judge did discuss multiple canons of interpretation, explaining in some detail why the noscitur a sociis canon is inapplicable.
Now you know why Trump is not getting Garcia back. Courts will order them all back. Best to dig your heals in now.
Ludecke indicates that for the term “war,” a war begins when Congress declares war. So the validity of the initiation of a Congressionally declared war is not subject to judicial review. The President can invoke the AEA and the courts will uphold it solely on Congress’ say-so. However, the Ludecke Court said “Whether and when it would open to this Court to find that a war though merely formally kept alive had in fact ended, is a question too fraught with gravity even to be adequately formulated when not compelled.”
This suggests Ludecke left the question open. If Congress declared war on Venezuala tomorrow, courts could not question the President’s right to round up and intern or deport Venezualian citizens regardless of whether any actual shooting occurred. However, the Ludecke opinion suggests that even for a Congressionally declared war, at some point after the declaration, in the complete absence of any military action, the judiciary might have the power to declare the AEA inapplicable for, in effect, failure to prosecute it.
I think Prof. Somin makes a good point here:
But the problem might be larger than Prof. Somin suggests. Trump or a future administration wouldn't necessarily have to lie that there "is" (in the present tense sense of currently existing) an invasion or predatory incursion, since the statute says "any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States...."
What if the President says "I have secret intelligence that no one is allowed to see ... Canada is threatening to invade Maine with the goal of destroying Dr. Ed's way of life, trust me, best intelligence ever!"?
According to MAGAs the courts would be unable to question the President and take him at face value, and uphold forcible removal of all Canadians (as identified by the administration) in the US to third party prisons.
Judge Rodriguez did take the factual assertions set forth in the Presidential proclamation at face value.
He concluded that, regarding all such facts as true, they are insufficient as a matter of law to support the instant proclamation under the AEA according to the language used by Congress when it passed the statute.
IOW, Donald Trump is hoist with his own petard. W. Shakespeare, Hamlet act 3, scene 4.
Trump bootlickers like Riva would claim that nobody could counter this based on a deranged reading of Article II.
And this part of the decision was a perfectly reasonable approach. In assessing a motion to dismiss, there’s no reason to consider the evidence if the complaint itself fails to state a claim. Evaluating the proclamation itself for compliance with the statute is analogous. The judge should have limited the decision to just saying that this particular proclamation does not state sufficient facts to comply with the statute. The decision should have left what would happen in a hypothetical future case where the proclamation alleged adequate facts but their truth was contested undecided. It wasn’t necessary to decide this case.
The unelected judiciary usurps the power to determine national emergencies. The tone deaf judges cluelessly destroy their credibility with every decision.
Do you see any legal difference between a real emergency and a fake one?
At this point, it's clear you're a crank claiming to speak for America but really just speaking for yourself.
Which of our right wing trolls is this a new username for?
That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government...
If MS-13 represents a predatory incursion by Venezuela, why haven't we bombed Venezuela?
Because MS-13 isn't from Venezuela. They're from El Salvador.
Yes, you caught him in an error/typo. His question should've been, "If TdA represents a predatory incursion by Venezuela, why haven't we bombed Venezuela?"
I would love to bomb Venezuela and take their oil reserves.
These are actually cautious (and scholarly) opinions and orders issued by Judge Rodriguez. He is very deferential to the Trump administration regarding the facts. The Court opined at pages 30-31:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.2000771/gov.uscourts.txsd.2000771.58.0_1.pdf
It is significant that the District Court issued a final judgment and permanent injunction in favor of Petitioners J.A.V., J.G.G., W.G.H., and the members of the certified class. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.2000771/gov.uscourts.txsd.2000771.59.0_1.pdf That means that the order is appealable immediately under 28 U.S.C. § 1291 to the Court of Appeals.
I am awaiting an amicus curiae on this case that will answer all your nonsense.
The AEA clearly states it is the POTUS who determines what is and when an invasion or predatory incursion is taking place. It doesn't say that that determination is left to the courts. How then can a court say a POTUS cannot determine what is or isn't an invasion or predatory incursion? The potus operates with more and different intel than the Judiciary and cannot always give that intel to the Judiciary, nor can the judiciary always demand that intel as we have separation of powers. This seems to be clear judicial overreach regarding the AEA. Why are you justifying judicial overreach that is clearly unconstitutional?
The AEA states nothing of the sort.
It says "Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event […]" (50 USC §21).
It DOES NOT say "Whenever the President makes public proclamation that there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or that any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government […]"
The authors of the statute were perfectly capable of distinguishing between things independent of the President's will (the existence of a war, invasion, or predatory incursion) and things committed to his discretion (the decision to issue a proclamation, the "conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable" which he is "authorized […] to direct" in the proclamation, and so on), and they did.
This is not a difficult interpretative point; it is just a matter of simple grammar. "When X occurs and the President says so" does not mean the same thing as "when the President says that X occurs".
Are you suggesting that "x" must happen and then potus must ask a judge if they can make the proclamation "y?" What if the president has time sensitive intel that the judiciary isn't privy too and it regards a foreign nation or government threatening to invade or make a predatory incursion into the US while using many of its own citizens already in the US however legally. Are you saying the potus must take all the intel it has to a judge and ask them if the potus can issue the proclamation?
Unable to argue with the grammatical point you switch to a functional one.
"If it's Jane's birthday, and she tells the class, she can have cake."
"Are you suggesting that Jane has to show everyone her birth certificate before she tells the class it's her birthday?"
"No. I'm just saying that if she tells the class it's her birthday, and it's not actually her birthday, she shouldn't expect cake."
A more apt analogy would be:
"Jane learned her parents are throwing her a surprise birthday party a month before her birthday. She is excited and tells her friends in class and invites them all. The teacher hears about it and then tells the class Jane is lying and there is no party because Jane's birthday isn't until a month after the party."
In this apt analogy Jane is operating under intel the teacher doesn't have and cannot have. That is the way the potus and judiciary operates, the potus has intel the judiciary doesn't and will never have and as such acts accordingly to that intel. The judiciary who doesn't have access to that intel cannot then say the potus is lying or that what the potus stated is happening isn't actually happening based on the fact the potus operates with intel the judiciary doesn't.
Nobody said that POTUS has to pre-clear his announcement. Just that it can be enjoined by a court if it's not true.
What intel is the court operating with to say it isn't true? Is the court operating with all the Intel the potus operates with? No. Does the judiciary have access to all the intel the potusnhas access too? No. Does the judiciary have a right to access all the intel the potusnhas access to? No. Therefore the potus operates with intel that the judiciary will never have access to and as such makes determinations based on that intel, sometimes in time sensitive matters.
“The AEA clearly states it is the POTUS who determines what is and when an invasion or predatory incursion is taking place.”
Where does it clearly say this?
You're right, it doesn't clearly say it. Those of us who are literate and have reading comprehension clearly see it.
Huh. You’d think if it clearly states what you claim it would be easy to produce that statement.
So, Charlie, your position is that you clearly see things it doesn't say?
How does that approach generally work out for you in life?
Well, for people who are literate and have reading comprehension it works very well in life.
"The AEA clearly states it is the POTUS who determines what is and when an invasion or predatory incursion is taking place. It doesn't say that that determination is left to the courts. How then can a court say a POTUS cannot determine what is or isn't an invasion or predatory incursion?"
Have you read Judge Rodriguez's opinion and order, CharlieG? Yes or no?
He does not question whether the facts set forth in the Presidential proclamation are true. He opined that, regarding all such facts as true, they are insufficient as a matter of law to support the instant proclamation under the AEA according to the language used by Congress when it passed the statute:
For these reasons, the Court concludes that the President’s invocation of the AEA through the Proclamation exceeds the scope of the statute and, as a result, is unlawful. Respondents do not possess the lawful authority under the AEA, and based on the Proclamation, to detain Venezuelan aliens, transfer them within the United States, or remove them from the country.
>As for “predatory incursion,” the Proclamation does not describe an armed group of individuals entering the United States as an organized unit to attack a city, coastal town, or other defined geographical area, with the purpose of plundering or destroying property and lives.
"predatory incursion" gets narrowly defined to an absurd degree. A lone military saboteur targeting a specific car or person wouldn't meet his definition.
Nor would 100 disbursed to 100 human targets across the country.
His reasoning is motivated.
Correct. The AEA is about war or war-like situations, not about lone wolf attackers. "We can arrest thousands or tens of thousands of people, detain, and eventually deport them, despite them having done nothing wrong, because there was a lone military saboteur from their country" is not a reasonable position.
You're right, the AEA leaves the determination of an invasion or predatory incursion up to the potus. As the potus is the only person in the country who can make the proclamation of said invasion or predatory incursion. The law clearly leaves the determination up to the potus. How does a judge know when another nation or government has threatened an invasion or predatory incursion when they are not privy to the level of intel the potus is? Even if the potus provided what it could to a judge, the determination in the law specifically states the potus makes the proclamation, are you suggesting that under the law the potus needs to take all the intel it has and ask a judge if they can make the proclamation? Of course not. That means the determination of what is and when is an invasion or predatory incursion threatened by a foreign nation or government is left up to the potus and they must proclaim as such.
The law was written so that if the President wants to use the law to deport someone, he may have to convince judges that the facts support invoking the law. In practice, that may mean that the invasion or incursion may have to cross a threshold of severity. I don’t think that is a problem, because the law is meant to respond to a literal military invasion, and if POTUS cannot clearly provide evidence that the US has actually been invaded then the situation probably isn’t actually an emergency that requires using the law for deportations. There are other ways people can be deported or jailed.
Besides relying on bad logic and an inability to parse the English language, this is just such a stupid argument. It doesn't take "intel" to know if we're being attacked; if everyone can't tell, then… we're not.
For some reason you're leaving out the part of the Act that states an invasion or predatory incursion is threatened by a foreign government or nation. It does take intel to know if a foreign nation or government is threatening an invasion or predatory incursion. You seem to be hung up on one part or term of the Act instead of the entire thing. Not everyone can tell when a foreign nation or government is threatening an invasion or predatory incursion, or, do you think we all do? What intel do you have access to that tells you when a foreign nation or government is threatening an invasion or predatory incursion or not?
Yes, I am focusing on the part of the Act that states threatening because you seem to refuse to acknowledge that part of the Act.
So, what intel is the judiciary operating under to know that a foreign nation or government hasn't/isn't threatening an invasion or predatory incursion into the US? What intel are you operating under to also make the determination a foreign nation or government isn't/hasn't threatened an invasion or predatory incursion into the US?
It says no such thing. It says:
"Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event…"
So take out the part about declared wars, since we all agree that Congress hasn't done that, and you get:
"Whenever … any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event…"
That is two things. (That's why there's an "and.") It requires:
1) That there be an invasion or predatory incursion that is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened by a foreign nation; and
2) that the president makes a public proclamation of such.
The second one of those is up to the president. The first is not. The bootlickers want to read it as "Whenever the president makes public proclamation that any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States…" But it doesn't say that. If the president proclaims it but it isn't true, then the AEA isn't in force.
> That there be an invasion or predatory incursion that is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened by a foreign nation;
And it has to be focused on a particular town or geographic region, and it has to be organized.
Don't forget that.
>>a Trump appointee
so?
Saves people the trouble of typing out misspelled rants about commie Democrat judges bent on opposing everything Trump.
Just because a judge is appointed by Trump doesn't automatically make that judge a Republican or a conservative. Trump has appointed liberals to district courts before.
Prof. Somin is trying to imply things that he knows damned well aren't necessarily so. The result is that the uninformed make the assumptions he wants them to make.
Look, you guys can't even make up fantasies about "blue slips" here, since this is a Texas seat.
The Republican House in TX elected a Democrat speaker.
So yes, yes we can say that.
The Republican House in TX did not elect a Democrat[ic] speaker. What are you talking about?
Also, blue slips come from U.S. senators, not state representatives, so that comment would be irrelevant even if it were true.
Did I speak about this seat? No. You can stop making up words I didn't say at any time, David.
I was speaking about the general proposition. If Prof. Somin wanted to, he could have said "conservative" and that would have conveyed more and more accurate information than "Trump appointee."
mho, no appointed judge ever thought "who appointed me?" before ruling
Three Prick Nixon appointees ruled against him in United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974) (the fourth recused).
Justices Ginsburg and Breyer ruled against Bill Clinton in Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.S. 681 (1997).
exactly. and poor Paula Jones.
The quality of legal knowledge at this site is below par concerning the topic at hand. Somin has faulty reasoning and is backed up by just as faulty comments.
Invasion is solely an Article 2 authority to determine, with the power to enforce removals. The process due is also solely an Article 2 authority, that's where the immigration courts are. District courts are not the place to question deportations.
Oh hay it's FRAUD!!! rewarmed.
Ya got any Constitutional text to cite for your grand pronouncement, or just gonna go with "Article 2?"
Wow, it looks like the quality of legal knowledge of the federal courts who've looked at this matter is similarly below par. Thank God we have smarter, more knowledgeable commenters like NvEric to set us straight.
I sure hope you're preparing your amicus curiae briefs for the appeals courts, so that they can get the benefit of your knowledge.
NvEric, where and when did you get your legal training, if any? How many lawsuits have you tried?
Those are all ideas not present in our constitution.
Not so. The Constitution gives CONGRESS the sole power to “repel Invasions.” It’s in Congress’ enumerated powers in Article I.
Congress chose to delegate this power to the President. But it does not have to.
Similarly, Congress has sole power over immigration. Any say the President gets is because Congress granted the relevant authority to the President.
As much as I don't like the result, I believe the opinion is correct.
China invades the US.
Democrats sue the Federal Government to stop them from defending from the invasion.
And this judge can decide that it's not a "real invasion" and thus enjoin the government from defending from the invasion?
Is that what this clown judge is saying?
No one has enjoined or seriously proposes to enjoin the government from meeting armed force with armed force in the event of an invasion or a raid (the usual modern term corresponding to "predatory incursion").
All that has happened is that a court is using habeas to prevent the government from sending people out of the country in violation of a statute. That has been a core use of habeas since the time of the Stuarts. It's central to what habeas is for. The statute says there has to be an invasion or a raid to be applied. There isn't. It really is just that simple.
No of course not. You can just read the links provided -- which would have explained what the words as used in the statute mean and why Trump's proclamation doesn't trigger the statute's predicate conditions.
Or you could look at history when the statute was invoked previously and compare to this particular invocation. What is possibly different between the War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and... random illegal immigrants in a drug gang? Put on your thinking cap and just meditate on that for 2 seconds.
A state-sponsored drug gang trained to infiltrate and subvert... you meant to say.
>He also rejects the idea that the meaning of "invasion" and "predatory incursion" are "political questions" not subject to judicial review.
That's the statement I am responding. The meaning of "invasion" and "predatory incursion" are subject to the whims of judges.
If you want to be pejoratively reductionist in that way, the meaning of all laws is "subject to the whims of judges."
Suppose China invades the U.S.
Hmm . . . if only there were a body that could declare war on China -- at the request of the President or otherwise, like the second President Roosevelt asked when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
We might even call such a body -- wait for it -- Congress.
If it's a MAGA Congress, I'm sure some judge will determine the meaning of "declare war" is subject to judicial review and TRO any response.
No, Ludeke said that a congressional declaration of war is not subject to judicial review.
I must have missed it but could someone point out the section of the annual threat assessment— put out by DNI, reported to Congress yearly and presented by Tulsi Gabbard, John Ratcliffe and Pete Hegseth— that deals with this predatory incursion/invasion by Venezuela? I’m having trouble finding it:
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/ATA-2025-Unclassified-Report.pdf
Woah, the IC. They're so good at assessing threats and stuff! Like how they claimed "White Supremacy" and "Global Warming" and "White Families" were our greatest threats! They have such a GREAT reputation! (for murdering and attempting to murder presidents, that's the only earned great reputation)
I think that an alien enemy has a right to contest dangerousness and obtain voluntary departure. It’s part of the statute.
I think Ludwcke v. Watkins is distinguishable. Roosevelt’s proclamation regarding German nationals in WWII had limited enforcement to dangerous alien enemies; non-dangerous ones were allowed to remain. Exempting a subclass of enemy aliens from enforcement entirely is a matter of prosecutorial discretion and unreviewable by courts. But when enforcement occurs, whether an alien enemy can be forcibly removed without an opportunity for voluntary departure or not is a matter of statutory interpretation. For this purpose, the existence of dangerousness is as much a question for judicial review as the existence of a war.
In this limited context, if the petitioner is in fact an alien enemy and only dangerousness and voluntary removal is contested, the United States might he able to avoid giving away intelligence to an enemy by bending the usual rule that evidence must he provided in open court and subject to cross-examination , and have the court hear secret intelligence-based evidence of dangerousness in camera.