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New York Times Symposium on "A Road Map of Trump's Lawless Presidency"
I was one of 35 legal scholars who took part.

Earlier today, the New York Times published a symposium entitled "A Road Map of Trump's Lawless Presidency." Thirty-five legal scholars took part, including myself. Here is an excerpt from the editors' summary:
Times Opinion recently reached out to dozens of legal scholars and asked them to identify the most significant unconstitutional or unlawful actions by Mr. Trump and his administration in the first 100 days of his second presidency and to assess the damage. We also asked them to separate actions that might draw legal challenges but are, in fact, within the powers of the president. And we asked them to connect the dots on where they thought Mr. Trump was heading.
We heard back from 35 scholars — a group full of diverse viewpoints and experiences, including liberals like U.C. Berkeley's Erwin Chemerinsky and Harvard's Jody Freeman; the conservatives Adrian Vermeule at Harvard and Michael McConnell, a former federal appeals court judge who directs Stanford's Constitutional Law Center and is a member of the Federalist Society; and the libertarians Ilya Somin at George Mason University and Evan Bernick at Northern Illinois University….
From all of their responses, we constructed a road map through Mr. Trump's first 100 days of lawlessness, including his defiance of our judiciary and constitutional system; the undermining of First Amendment freedoms and targeting of law firms, universities, the press and other parts of civil society; the impoundment of federal funds authorized by Congress; the erosion of immigrant rights; and the drive to consolidate power.
This road map largely draws on the scholars' words, which serve as bright red warning lights about the future of America….
Not all of our legal scholars saw every Trump action the same way, and one saw the problem as lying more with the courts than with the administration. But there was abundant assent that the president is trying to operate without limits and that the rule of law and especially due process are being profoundly tested and challenged. This guide through the first 100 days is by no means exhaustive but rather reflects legal issues our 35 scholars highlighted repeatedly or with the gravest concern.
Two of my statements made it into the symposium. Here is the first, which gives my overall assessment of the administration's agenda:
They seek a massive increase in presidential power, which if fully achieved would potentially undermine most of the constitutional separation of powers and create an elective monarchy or a quasi-authoritarian state. If they prevail, it would be terrible for the rule of law and liberal democratic values generally. But they can be stopped and hopefully will be.
There is also this on Trump's usurpation of the spending power:
No other modern president has tried this on such an enormous scale. If allowed to stand, it would enable the president to both seize control over hundreds of billions of dollars in federal funds and coerce state and local governments by imposing grant conditions not authorized by Congress. All of this also violates the Constitution — both federalism and the separation of powers.
I expounded on my concerns in greater detail in the similar recent Free Press symposium, which had fewer participants and therefore gave each person more space. For those keeping track, I was also highly critical of Joe Biden's usurpations of the spending power, as with his student loan forgiveness power grab. But Trump's abuses are more systematic far-reaching.
As in the Free Press symposium, there was a lot of cross-ideological agreement between the NY Times participants. For example, I agree with nearly all the comments made by big-name conservative constitutional law scholar Michael McConnell (Stanford) who participated in both symposia. I also agree with the majority of points made by liberal/progressive participants, though by no means all.
The NY Times symposium is somewhat less ideologically balanced than the FP one. NYT has a large preponderance of left-of-center participants (all but about four or five, by my count, though I could have missed some, because not every participant got quoted), while FP had three conservatives (including two who are very far to the right of me), two progressives, and two libertarians (Jonathan Adler and myself). One possible explanation for difference is that the NYT piece was limited to law professors, while FP featured two non-academic commentators among its total of seven (both conservatives). Lawprofs are, on average, a much more left-wing group than non-academic legal commentators.
Nonetheless, it is noteworthy that, between them, these symposia show a wide range of agreement that Trump 2.0 is engaging in numerous illegal actions and threatening the constitutional system in various ways. And many of these concerns go far beyond the academic left.
There are. admittedly, a few MAGA-friendly legal scholars (or those who back nearly unlimited executive power), represented in the NYT symposium by Harvard law Prof. Adrian Vermeule. But such people are a minority even among non-left wing experts in thfield.
A minority view can, of course, still be right (I hold many minority views myself!). But in this case, it just isn't. The scope and magnitude of Trump 2.0 illegality are too great for any plausible defense.
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...and the (s)hits just keep on coming.
Is that what you and Frank call your squad or something?
I assume that's what the ob/gyn said when Bumble's mom was giving birth.
I must have missed The NY Times symposium on the Big Guy's unprecedented lawfare targeting his main political opponent. I'm sure it was enlightening.
I missed the one when Barry Osama decided to "Surge" into Afghanistan
I'll take
"Name 35 legal scholars who strangely remained completely silent during the unconstitutional abuses of the Obama/Biden presidencies" for $1000, Alex
That's 35 blind mice spewing empty rhetoric.
Rhetorical question for the group: Why do fascist Russia-leaning trolls think their keystrokes have any impact whatsoever on lawyers talking about laws?
Onward.
It's cute that these lawyers think their incessant caterwauling has any bearing on anything.
Law professors are a dime a dozen.
And yet, you're spending time reading and commenting on a blog containing posts made primarily by... law professors.
Scottk,
Given the number of law firms that negotiated terms with the Trump administration, and the number of Republican members of Congress going along because they are afraid not just of not getting re-elected but also afraid for their families, frankly there’s been quite an impact. We’re well past the point where anyone can pretend there hasn’t been.
Even judges these days now have to worry about their families. You can’t simply scoff and take things as a given anymore.
The trolls haven’t reached the point where they are lining the lawyers up against the wall and shooting them. But nonetheless, this isn’t the America we used to know.
Just recently, this administration fired the lawyers from thee Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division and replaced them with trolls. Given where we are, given the amout of power the trolls have already obtained and their efforts to get more, given that they run the executive branch, a good deal of the legislative branch, and are making some inroads into the judiciary, it is probably better to have some idea what they are up to.
>The trolls haven’t reached the point where they are lining the lawyers up against the wall and shooting them. But nonetheless, this isn’t the America we used to know.
FEAR FEAR FEAR CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS GLOBAL WARMING FASCISM END OF THE WORLD VOTE DEMOCRAT SUBMIT FEAR FEAR FEAR OBEY FEAR
lol
So, which of the Justices have had protesters camping out on their front yards, and had to worry about attempted assassinations? Sotomayor? Kagan? Kennedy?
This is a combination of oppression envy and projection.
Assassination Culture: How Burning Telsas and Killing Billionaires Became a Meme Aesthetic for Political Violence
Rhetorical violence by randos on the Internet > state violence against those Brett deems not really human enough to care bout.
[Brett could also check out the rhetoric on the right, which isn't super peaceful. Including his own call to lynch a judge.]
You must've missed all the Tesla vandalism and fire bombings?
Weird it was all over the news.
And that's precisely why I was okay with Trump pardoning all 1/6 defendants. In a perfect world, 5-10% of them would have suffered some consequences, but as long as the establishment is going to tolerate at best, or actively celebrate at worst, political violence from the left, I don't care if some truly bad 1/6 people get off.
I would have thought Adrian Vermeule, who apparently blames the courts and not Trump, but he seems to have been consistent in his support of a unitary executive.
What's worse than whataboutism is dishonest whataboutism. Voltage here knows full well that people like Adler and Somin (at the very least) were not silent when they thought Obama or Biden crossed a line.
But also, the whataboutism is a lie, because Obama and Biden were much better than Trump. Making up fake claims that even Voltage doesn't believe that both sides were equally bad and then whining that people didn't treat them the same is just trolling.
Trump's overreaching of lawless behavior is bad, but at least it's not trying to cancel opponents off the ballot or jail them or expropriate their estates, the way tyrant kings of yore did to uppity lords.
I'm still not sure Trump 2.0 is the most dangerous threat to Democracy the past 20 years. You are rightly scared of it, but it still doesn't rise to what the Democrats did.
No, seriously.
No, seriously.
By the way, this excuses nothing.
You mean the way the uppity tyrants of yore jailed that patriot Hitler after the Munich beer hall putsch?
Jan 6 was an attempted putsch just like Hitler’s. Trump should have been jailed for it, same as Hitler was. He and you are portraying the people who prosecuted him as tyrants and creating a sob story of having been persecuted, same as Hitler did. Trump at least has not yet taken sufficient control over the country to have the people who prosecuted him shot.
You and your butt pirate friends should have been jailed for the HIV crisis in the 80s.
Trump is different, not worse. If conservative judges were as lawlessly activist as leftist judges, they would have issued many more TROs or injunctions over Biden's vax mandates, eviction moratorium, border integrity violations, intentionally discriminatory programs, vote buying, DOJ corruption, and more.
Obama had his own large set of severe violations related to his infamous "phone and pen": responses to the Great Recession, drone strikes, Obamacare, IRS targeting, NLRB and CFPB recess appointments, border integrity violations, "Dear Colleague" Title IX letter, WOTUS rule, and so on.
In contrast, Trump is effectively implementing policies that the American public voted for and demand. This is intolerable to leftists, which is why they're out there torching cars and auto dealerships, issuing injunctions in violation of Rule 65, trafficking illegals, and generally throwing fits.
Bush did the Great Recession responses. Obamacare was a law passed by Congress. IRS targeting has been debunked, and was never ever connected to him. etc. etc.
Most of this isn't just nowhere near what Trump is doing, it's flatly false.
> IRS targeting has been debunked,
That's a lie. The IRS confessed to it and settled.
They've repeated it until they believe it themselves, and think that if they just keep repeating it, eventually everyone else will believe them, too.
You and the antisemite seem to have a good time getting big mad at your respective fan fiction worlds.
Sarcastr0, as M et all said above, the IRS confessed to the targeting, and settled with the victims.
Hard drives didn't get hammered and phones bricked because the people doing it thought they were innocent!
I have M blocked, of course.
The Trump admin going along with a right-wing narrative doesn't really count as a 'confession.'
Hard drives didn't get hammered and phones bricked because the people doing it thought they were innocent!
Weren't you linked to the rules calling for that to be done with retired government equipment? Wow, the conspiracy goes deep and with exhaustive and boring public records!!
>I have M blocked, of course.
Yet you managed to reply to me yesterday, you posturing dipshit.
The scandal broke, and people whaled on their hard drives with hammers, and repeatedly entered wrong passwords on their phones to brick them. and the IRS erased hard drives subject to preservation orders, and backups of them, too. Classic spoliation.
You're so deep in denial about this it's absurd.
This, Brett, is vibes. Disposal of hard drives often includes wacky stuff. There was no evidence the timeline was juked.
But it LOOKS bad if you divorce from any knowledge or context. So you will ignore all else and full speed to yet another liberal conspiracy!
Meanwhile, you and the antisemite sure seem to be confirming each other's priors real hard.
I'll just duck out; I feel like a third wheel.
Look, Sarcastr0, are you really blind to what a clown you're making of yourself here?
Sure, if my computer were decommissioned, my employer might put the hard drive through a demagnetizer before sending it off as E-waste.
But if I get wind of some legal trouble headed my way, open the case, and hammer the hard drive into scrap, that's not my damned hard drive being decommissioned. That's me engaged in spoliation!
You understand the distinction, you just don't want to admit that the IRS was guilty of spoliation.
Listen to yourself. 'If I get wind of some legal trouble."
Well shucks; you're just an old county lawyer who don't know nothin' about no big city file disposal plans, or how legal holds work.
Ya just know in yer bones there was a coverup and you'll appeal to incredulity and use the word spoliation wrong if you gotta to drive that point home!
As is sometimes the case, I'm open to the possibility - low level feds doing crimes to cover their asses is an observed phenomenon. But you don't have evidence of that; you have rules being followed but your vibes say liberal coverup.
Oh, and did you even notice Michael was directly blaming Obama? Another link you've not really made but seem to assume.
See that Brett, it's just standard government policy to destroy evidence and not keep records! According to the Great Gaslightr0
The IRS had a contract with a private sector data preservation company, and when it became obvious that they couldn't avoid the targeting being discovered, they terminated the contract, and moved data preservation in house, adopting a policy that focused more on making sure that backups were promptly destroyed, than on actually preserving data.
They actually spent extra money to destroy old backups, rather than warehouse them.
I haven't followed this IRS story at all, so have no idea if what the IRS did was appropriate, inappropriate, illegal, etc.
On the other hand, I have worked for companies that handle sensitive data, and those companies absolutely spend a bunch of extra money to destroy/erase the data rather than just warehousing it. It's actually quite complicated and challenging to make sure that you're deleting all of the data that you're supposed to in a timely manner since you need to make sure you keep track of all of the places it might get copied to. This is all in accordance with privacy policies, etc. so once again I don't know the relevance in the context of IRS data, but the idea of spending extra money to destroy old backups does not strike me as weird at all.
Apparently, Lois Lerner excuses all of Trump's abuses of power.
What an utterly ridiculous argument, that appeals only to Trumpist buffoons.
LOL. "Biden's eviction moratorium":
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-working-stop-evictions-protect-americans-homes-covid-19-pandemic/
The reason why there weren't a bunch of TROs against Biden is because in general his policies were implemented in ways that regular (if expedited) court proceedings could take place along the same timelines of the implementation of the policy. So TROs weren't necessary. For example, the OSHA vaccine mandate made it all the way to the Supreme Court (on the shadow docket) and got a substantive ruling there before it was ever enforced. On the other hand, Trump is immediately ceasing funding and/or deporting people through questionable mechanisms, so TROs are necessary to preserve the status quo.
P.S. If Trump was actually just doing what the American people wanted, his job approval rating wouldn't be crashing.
Define "crashing".
You want to quibble over crashing instead of dipping, falling, in the toilet, worst in 7 decades? Trump approval is down from 49% at inauguration to 43% (or lower, depending on the poll you favor); 6 out of 49 is more of a drop than in every Dow Jones crash except Black Monday in 1987; things like the COVID crash, the Great Depression crash.
I haven't heard lately how Trump will triumph by being on the 80 side of all 80/20 issues in this country, and I could use a good laugh if you'd care to go there.
"I haven't heard lately how Trump will triumph by being on the 80 side of all 80/20 issues in this country, ..."
You are aware that he did triumph by winning the election? How do you think polling will affect Trump's objectives over the next four years (minus 100 days)?
Well, I'm assuming polling will severely affect Trump's objectives in a bit less than two years, if the Democrats take control of Congress.
Bumble is stupid enough to believe that winning on the main issue (which major party candidate should be president?) 49-48 is somehow an 80-20 issue. Even the electoral college vote doesn't even make it a 60-40 issue. The 80-20 issue thing was laughable hubris; Trump's barely popular policies were ones he failed at (better at handling the economy? Remember how inflation reversed on day one?) and in some cases ones that were misrepresented (Trump voters believe that China will pay those tariffs).
A narrow margin in the House, a slightly wider margin in the Senate (augmented by the filibuster) and a Supreme Court with an uncertain majority - those will be harder to hold in line with the weakness Trump has shown, when he's generally on the negative approval side of an issue. How's he going to pressure Putin or Xi when he can't or won't pressure Bukele? Not wanting to ends up looking like too weak to, for an unpopular president.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating
Lots of polls, lots of numbers. Probably the most accurate (FWIW) is Rasmusen because:
"...but Rasmussen, which polls continuously and uses a consistent methodology..."
Haha, "poll that matches my opinion the most must be the best one!"
The whole point of using a bunch of polls (and an average) is because that reduces the risk of bias or error from individual polls. You can look at the little graph partway down to see what the average looks like over time.
If Trump was actually just doing what the American people wanted, his job approval rating wouldn't be crashing.
This is a good point, but it leaves behind the important threshold point that excusing lawlessness because it's popular is a kind of thinking that does not belong in a republic.
Populism justifies the means always ends up in one place. And it's not good for the people, or for freedom, or for the nation. And yet, certain people keep making that same awful argument.
Oh, come on. Of course he could be doing what the people who elected him wanted, and still have his job approval drop.
1. The people who elected him were just barely short of a majority of those who voted, but are they restricting the polls to people who voted? Not so far as I know. So it's possible that every last person who voted for him is happy as a clam, and his popularity could still drop in a sample of the general population.
2. There might have been some people on the fence who were hoping that Trump was going to break his campaign promises, and just voted for him because they couldn't stomach Harris.
3. And there could be people who liked his campaign promises, but had expected him to be a bit less clumsy in carrying through on them. Certainly MY opinion of him has been dropping on this basis.
So I said "excusing lawlessness because it's popular" and you come up with this off topic nonsense?
No, I was responding to "If Trump was actually just doing what the American people wanted, his job approval rating wouldn't be crashing."
Pointing out that he certainly could be just doing what the people who voted for him wanted, and still have his job approval among the general population drop, even if everybody who voted for him was wildly happy with his job performance.
I mean, faff about with the numbers all you want, I'd say the drop we are seeing means *something* about public approval of Trump.
But as is noted in my comment, I care more about 'public support justifies all means and ends' populism.
Also bad is 'Trump's doing good politics though' as an excuse for any kind of action.
His approval rating now better reflects what the American people want, now, than the results from last fall among those who voted then. But Brett Bellmore, fascist, wants only those who voted for Trump to count.
Yes, likely Trump voters are almost all still with him, because nobody wants to admit such a disastrous mistake so soon (and many of them will always certain that Kamala would have been worse no matter how bad what Trump does). But some just vote against incumbency, or will fall away or tire of voting as long as they can do it quietly (and MAGA turnout suffers if Trump himself is not on the ballot). Many who didn't vote will be motivated to vote against Trump and his surrogates.
You forgot 4. There could be people who in the abstract wanted problems fixed, but don't actually want the pain that comes along with fixing them.
They wanted the brand new kitchen, but didn't want any construction dust or noise. They would have been impossible to please, as their vision of the world is not realistic.
You know my wife?
We are natural married to the same woman?
LOL
To a certain extent, my point is that the polling demonstrates that the American people don't want lawlessness.
I think a fair takeaway from the last election and the polling around it was that Americans wanted a stronger response to illegal immigration. So in the spirit of "elections have consequences", if Trump wanted to try to deport more of the ~1.5M folks that already had deportation orders, or accelerate the pace by which more people were deported, or build his dumb wall, there would probably be a lot of popular support for that. But it turns out that if instead he starts snatching people off the street because they have bad political opinions, or accidentally deporting people and then refusing to try to fix it, or deporting citizen children along with their parents, while a lot of his base is cheering him on, the broader population actually isn't a fan and we see it in his declining numbers even on whether he's doing a good job on immigration. (And, as I keep pointing out, his tactics are dumb and actually slow down his ability to do the popular thing he was elected to do.)
Better than Trump said who? You?
I was one of 35 legal scholars who took part.
It is reminiscent of the 51 intelligence experts who lied. That you took part with the NY Times removes all doubt of truthfulness. If they paid you anything less than what Hunter Biden got paid by Burisma ($1M per year) as a lawyer flunkee suggests youre in the wrong biz. How are your oil painting skills?
In the closing weeks of the 2020 Presidential campaign, at least 51 former intelligence officials coordinated with the Biden campaign to issue a letter discrediting the reporting that President Joseph R. Biden’s son had abandoned his laptop at a computer repair business. Signatories of the letter falsely suggested that the news story was part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/holding-former-government-officials-accountablefor-election-interference-and-improper-disclosure-of-sensitive-governmental-information/
Name one statement in the letter that is a lie.
Right on the money again crazy Dave, nothing political at all. Except as reported in the Daily Mail (and just about everywhere but probably not The NY Times, they were too busy hiding inconvenient facts) and is part of the the Congressional record:
"Former CIA director John Brennan has admitted the infamous letter signed by 51 former intelligence officials falsely saying Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation 'was political'... Morell [ former Deputy CIA director and Acting CIA Director] admitted to the House Judiciary Committee last month that he was asked by Secretary of State Anthony Blinken - who at the time was a senior member of Biden's campaign - to coordinate the letter... Morrell was asked by Blinken to rally former intelligence chiefs to agree that the laptop looked like a smear campaign...On October 18, emails included in the report also showed Clapper emailing Morrell his intention to sign onto the letter. [Clapper] also offered a key phrase to include, writing: 'I have one editorial suggestion for the letter: I think it would strengthen the verbiage if you say this has all the classic earmarks of a Soviet/Russian information operation rather than the 'feel' of a Russian operation. Morrell replied that Clapper's suggestion was accepted and 'It was a good one.' "
So, you're admitting David is right?
DN plays the deflection game
The intent of the letter from the 51 experts was to deceive. DN plays the same game. Rarely addressing the substantive issues.
What I've noticed about dumb, non-expert people like you is that they assume experts are always right... or lying. Turns out experts can be wrong too. That's why it's called "expert opinion."
The 51 IC officials knew what they were doing, which was carefully lying.
"Carefully" lying… by telling the truth.
No, just lying, because they made it up, for political purposes. I know you like to gaslight but give it up already, your position is untenable.
https://cyberscoop.com/hunter-biden-emails-possible-tampering-trump-allies/
The possible “tampering” refers to emails created between Aug. 31, 2020 and Sept. 2, 2020, dates which fall more than a year after Biden had possession of the laptop.
In one case, on Aug. 31, 2020 — nearly a year and a half after the laptop left Biden’s possession — two blank email replies are created replying to an email from 2014. In another case, on Sept. 1, 2020, two draft emails were created and added to the email cache as a reply to an email from 2014. The next day, a variation of a Burisma email from 2016 is created and added to the cache.
What “experts” actually defend the lying intel hounds? (Crazy Dave doesn’t count) What facts support their position? None. Zero. Nada. There are literally no facts on your side. Everything points to another democrat campaign lie.
There is no evidence whatsoever for such a claim, though I suppose we can all take that as your concession that everything they said was actually true.
There is no evidence to conclude anything else.
DN - Your response is absolute
BS
The only purpose of the letter was to deceive.
There were no halmarks of russian disinformation
The letter may have constituted an illegal in-kind campaign contribution, which the First Amendment does not protect.
The letter was not a campaign contribution. And if it were, it would not have been "illegal." What possible theory of law do you believe in that would make it "illegal" for people to speak up in favor of a candidate?
Perhaps something to look into. Maybe it is already being examined.
Did you learn that in high school biology?
DN - Why did you learn to Lie with a straight face - elementary school.
Your repetitive dishonest leftist stich has gotten old - very old
DN - When (not why) did you learn to Lie with a straight face - elementary school.
We know why - typical leftist
Your repetitive dishonest leftist stich has gotten old - very old
You thought your comment was so witty that you needed to reply to yourself to post it again?
Once again: still not a leftist.
Also, your claim that "There were no halmarks [sic] of russian disinformation" was just pulled out of your ass. You're a bookkeeper. You are not a climatologist, virologist, lawyer, intelligence officer, biologist, or anything else you pretend to expertise in.
DN - your BS line of not being a leftist is gotten old - very old
You expose yourself as a leftist with every comment - everyone sees through your charade.
You being too uneducated to know what the word "leftist" means is a you problem.
No, the Congressional record, supported by documents and witness testimony. And the FBI in fact authenticated the laptop before the lies were published in the political stunt of a letter.
1) The FBI "authenticated" a laptop in their possession. It did not authenticate a disk image that Rudy Giuliani gave to the New York Post that could've come from anywhere. Indeed, it's unlikely that the FBI knew that such a disk image even existed.
2) How would the FBI having internally authenticated the laptop played any role in this? The FBI didn't put out a press release saying, "By the way, we have a laptop that belongs to Hunter Biden and it's authentic." Were any of the 51 signatories working for the FBI at the time of either these authentication efforts or the time the letter was released? If not, how and why would they know what the FBI had done?
3) You still haven't identified a single false statement in the letter. Not one. Wonder why that is.
3) You still haven't identified a single false statement in the letter. Not one. Wonder why that is.
DN
nor have you identified an honest statement in the letter.
Deflections get old -
Indeed they do. So why are you not proving your assertion, instead of trying to demand that other people disprove it?
The laptop was authenticated crazy Dave. It was not Russian "disinformation." The letter was a campaign stunt orchestrated by the Biden campaign in conjunction with some intel pukes, and there should be accountability. Emails and testimony prove they quite literally made it all up. The facts clearly support all of this, yet you persist in this nonsense. I think you're just being an ass but who knows? Is there any profit in this for you?
This is why everyone has correctly deduced the Riva account is a bot. It is programmed with a series of talking points, and when people respond to any of those points, it just repeats them over again, without even an attempt to address any of the statements people made.
Rivabot: The laptop was authenticated.
Informed person: Okay, but even to the extent that's true, points A and B explain why that's not relevant to the disputed point.
Rivabot: The laptop was authenticated.
Not sure what little game you're playing crazy Dave. Must pay well though. Let me try to be more clear. Nothing proves anything in the letter was true or accurate, at any time. Nothing substantiates or justifies any opinions therein. No documents, no emails, no testimony. Because all that proves the letter was another fabricated democrat political stunt, orchestrated by the Biden campaign in time for his next debate.
I sometimes find it hard to believe crazy Dave is an adult, let alone a legal professional. What a contemptible disgrace.
Crazy Dave is one of the most consistently dishonest commenters here. If USAID were still running strong, I wouldn't be surprised if he was being paid for it. Who knows? Maybe there's some NGO out there still doling out money?
Yes. His dishonesty is immersive.
Whether he is being paid for it or not, it is clear the Bolsheviks here and at Reason are desperate to destroy libertarianism, because it is the biggest threat to their graft.
Not to worry, real people are opening their eyes to the obvious. The Bolsheviks' days are numbered.
Can't understand what would motivate someone to continually embarrass themselves so publicly by take such a demonstrably false position, other than that it was profitable. I guess he just could be some sort of intellectual masochist.
....What do you thinkg Bolsheviks means?
Not very helpful little communist girl who never smiled.
Aside from being a well-organized gang of opportunistic thugs, hell-bent on absolute control, I think you'll have to dust off your copy of "The Black Book of Communism" and get a proper look at the exhaustive accounts of their depravity. Make sure you take it all in, and when you're finished, go back and read it again.
And that is as far as I will go with your pathetic sealioning.
If Bolsheviks refers to the bad dudes in the Russian revolution, you're using it wrong if you think those guys are posting at Reason.
It's pretty funny to be accusing someone of being dishonest while consistently ignoring their request to actually substantiate any of your claims.
That’s called sarcasm little Randy. Ask your parents to explain.
It is probable that these spies violated campaign finance laws.
we al know freedom fo speech does not extend so far as to protect conduct that constitutes in-kind campaign contributions.
We do not, in fact, "know" any such thing. Have you ever encountered, in your five minutes of following news in your life, a person endorsing a candidate for office? Have you ever heard of someone claiming that doing so violates the law? (Hint: you have not, because that's a nutty theory.)
I'd say an open question. We do clearly know that that the letter was a campaign organized stunt. Because that's what the parties involved in orchestrating this farce have said. Clearly. Unequivocally. I doubt even The NY Times would presently agree with you crazy Dave.
I find myself agreeing with David here. The letter might have been deeply dishonest, fraudulent, a political stunt, but in terms of 1st amendment rights it was as protected as a newspaper editorial.
There is no "may" about it. It was deeply dishonest, fraudulent, and a political stunt. And government personnel or contractors seem to have played a role, both in the letter and the censorship surrounding the laptop story. That should be further investigated and the first amendment is not a bar to that.
Your thrall of deceit is astounding.
Does your mother know what you do for a living?
Do I detect some… voltage?
It’s a sock puppet for one of the regulars— certainly. But which one?
BOO!
I'm hiding under all of y'alls beds. lmao
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Not surprisingly Ilya has failed to relate the details regarding travesty of justice in Milwaukee by Democrat Judge Hannah Dugan. So much for Ilya's intellectual rigor. Jonathan Turley provides the facts and they shed light on the rot of Democrats and their view of the Rule of Law. Hopefully Dugan will get sentenced to prison the full 6 years for her felonies if she is found guilty
“This Judge is a Hero”: Democratic Politicians and Judges Praise Judge Dugan and Call for Resistance
After showing ID and badges, [a shift sergeant with Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Office] asked that any arrest wait until after the completion of the scheduled hearing before Judge DUGAN. As this was standard practice, Deportation Officer A and CBP Officer A agreed, and they were allowed to proceed unescorted to the public hallway outside of Courtroom 615. . . .
FBI Agent A displayed his credentials to the courtroom deputy and informed him that they were there to assist ICE in arresting Flores-Ruiz. They agreed that the arrest would take place after Flores-Ruiz’s court appearance. The agents then left the courtroom and took positions at different locations in the public hallway.
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Judge DUGAN and Judge A, who were both wearing judicial robes, approached members of the arrest team in the public hallway. Judge A’s courtroom is located adjacent to Judge DUGAN’s courtroom. Witnesses uniformly reported that Judge DUGAN was visibly upset and had a confrontational, angry demeanor. Judge DUGAN addressed Deportation Officer A and asked if Deportation Officer A was present for a court appearance. When Deportation Officer A responded, “no,” Judge DUGAN stated that Deportation Officer A would need to leave the courthouse.
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Deportation Officer A stated that Deportation Officer A was there to effectuate an arrest. Judge DUGAN asked if Deportation Officer A had a judicial warrant, and Deportation Officer A responded, “No, I have an administrative warrant.” Judge DUGAN stated that Deportation Officer A needed a judicial warrant. Deportation Officer A told Judge DUGAN that Deportation Officer A was in a public space and had a valid immigration warrant. Judge DUGAN asked to see the administrative warrant and Deportation Officer A offered to show it to her. Judge DUGAN then demanded that Deportation Officer A speak with the Chief Judge. Judge DUGAN then had a similar interaction with FBI Agent B and CBP Officer A. After finding out that they were not present for a court appearance and that they were with ICE, Judge DUGAN ordered them to report to the Chief Judge’s office.
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Deportation Officer A went inside a more private area of the Chief Judge’s office to speak with him on the phone. During their conversation, the Chief Judge stated he was working on a policy which would dictate locations within the courthouse where ICE could safely conduct enforcement actions. The Chief Judge emphasized that such actions should not take place in courtrooms or other private locations within the building. Deportation Officer A asked about whether enforcement actions could take place in the hallway. The Chief Judge indicated that hallways are public areas.
https://jonathanturley.org/2025/04/29/this-judge-is-a-hero-democratic-politicians-and-judges-rally-behind-hannah-dugan-and-call-for-resistance/#comments
Can't wait for the "Judges Behaving Badly" show. Will they use the "Bad Boy's" theme from "Cops"?
JoeFromTheBronx posted a link in the Monday thread:
https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/coming-for-the-judges
David Nieporent disputed its account, but if the government complaint allows such a defensible interpretation, then it doesn't seem a strong case.
I am still amused by the idea of an agent riding down in the elevator with the guy they wanted to arrest and then still having to chase him out on the street.
To be clear, I didn't dispute the account in the link; I disputed the spin.
OK, I accept that; at best, its account of how the situation should be viewed, which may be more succinctly called its spin.
DEA Agent A rode down in the elevator with Flores-Ruiz and couldn't even slow them down enough for enough other agents to catch up? Just be the jerk who pushes all the elevator buttons and presses the "open door" button at each floor. The lawyer's not likely to shove past a DEA agent, and it's a better story for the government if Flores-Ruiz does. So DEA Agent A is a pathetic wimp. And the other agents showed all the skill of a team of six year old soccer players.
This just in: Judicial supremacists think judicial branch should remain supreme!
So, the continuing presidential actions based on examples set by previous presidents bothers you ? Don't be an idiot and a fool, this is democracy at work. Relax and be happy.
For an economic anarchist, you must value political anarchy too. They go together, bub.
The Times puts on a symposium with a premise that’s horribly slanted and question begging, and we’re supposed to take anything that’s said seriously, or take the Time’s word that it only puts out balanced news? I’m plenty critical of the legality of a lot of stuff Trump does—to say nothing of his complete unfitness to be president—but this is absurd, even for a leftwing rag like the Times. It helps change no minds, and only makes the echo chamber more deafening.
First, they came for the alien terrorists, murderers, rapists, and child traffickers, and I said nothing because...
Effete Trump haters gather to hate Trump. What a newsworthy event that will surely change everything. These members of the sinecure class only talk to each other and only write for each other. Nice work if you can get it, I guess.
I saw a headline recently to the effect of "Jamaican man who spent 21 years in United States being deported to home he barely knows." What the headline did not mention was that, of those 21 years in the United States, 15 were spent in prison for kidnapping. Naturally, I thought of Somin, a man whose passion for keeping (and even importing) foreign criminals in the United States is orders of magnitude beyond anything he could ever muster for his fellow citizens.
How long do you think a "headline" can be? The article in question, from the NYT — and contrary to the DHS propagandist's tweets — discussed extensively the fact that the guy had been in prison.
A headline can be long enough to say something like "Drug dealing kidnapper deported after 15-year prison sentence" instead of pretending that someone who illegally immigrated to the US as an adult couldn't remember his home country. But I suppose expecting the NYT to stick to facts or defensible claims in its headlines is expecting too much.
Speaking of sticking to facts or defensible claims, why are you falsely claiming that he "illegally immigrated to the US"?
I assume we're discussing Nascimento Blair here? Are you claiming he wasn't an illegal immigrant? The news accounts I've seen say he came in on a temporary visa, and then over-stayed. Which is every bit as much being an illegal immigrant as wading across the Rio Grande is.
We are — AFAIK — discussing Nascimento Blair, yes. I am claiming that he didn't "illegally immigrate to the U.S.," because he didn't illegally immigrate to the U.S., according to every news report I've seen — including, apparently, the one you saw, which said he came in on a visa.
Yes, not news. Trump-haters hate Trump.
Vermule was bragging on twitter today about how he was the only dissenter from this group.
Well, it IS a significant point, though I usually don't agree with Vermule. In a 50-50 country if you do a symposium, and pull together "a group full of diverse viewpoints and experiences", and find everybody is in agreement, you're probably fooling yourself about how diverse the group you assembled really is. You picked them on the basis of their agreement, not their diverse viewpoints. Which is why they didn't quote Vermule, no? He deviated from the pre-established party line.
They quoted 8 words of Balkin's excellent essay. I'd read the whole thing, he's right about everything he says, and infuriatingly blind to his own contribution to the problem. I expect that's endemic among the participants: They see the problem, they don't see how they contributed to it.
You do tend to think just about every institution is biased to the left, so yeah I'd guess your sense of what counts as diversity will tend to be off.
This article you like so much is useless. Just saying crisis over and over again is neither news nor useful.
No wonder you love it - it's drama you can project whatever you want on.
Somin above ADMITS the legal community is biased to the left. Every academic survey confirms this in 3 inch high bold text. Denying that they're biased to the left is, literally, delusional.
I think your definition of bias and his are pretty different, considering your views on the rarity of personal integrity and good faith.
Again: Somin admits it himself, and every single survey of academic political affiliation confirms it. Denying it is clinically delusional: Legal academia is extremely left-wing compared to the general population.
Lotsa dems != no diversity, all leftist eager to act in bad faith.
Legal academia is extremely left-wing compared to the general population.
Biology academia is extremely biased towards evolution compared to the general population.
Riiiight. Your political philosophy is just empirically true, a fact of reality. You really believe that?
Your political philosophy is just empirically true, a fact of reality.
THIS IS YOU BRETT.
You say this all the time, and attack poster after poster based on precisely this principle.
Holy shit this is an amazing comment.
"New York Times"
Stopped reading (after noticing the author)
If Volokh wants me to unsubscribe from this forum, all he has to do is to keep running five TDS pieces from this asshole each week.
Your terms are acceptable.
[btw, why is this so big this week? It was a pretty good Buffy line last decade and had another moment a couple years ago, but why now? Did somebody drop a particularly good meme?]
The very-online rightwing folks sing from the same hymnals, so it doesn’t surprise me we’re hearing it from the chorus of deplorables. See also gangbanger, woodchipper, the Smasher, heels up, etc.
As to why now— I don’t have waders high enough to dive in and find out— do you? To be honest, keeping some visibility into huckleberry-land is one of the main reasons I’m still wasting time around here.
Gonna be a long 8 years for you guys
8? More like 20. I've already bought my new red hat. Make America Great Again 2024-2044
You let far worse things softly by under that stupid poorly-spoken dunderhead Biden and esp under Obama. 3 million deportations under Obama and I can't find one peep from Reason.
But I hope you keep up this childish sub-journalism, you are killing Libertarianism, I see it all the time as a college teacher.
College teacher? I get it, fighting the system from the inside, I've been trying to do the same with Organized Medicine (which is similar to Organized Crime, except they tend to limit their killing to bad guys) for years.
I've remarked that I agreed with every word of Jack Balkin's contribution, and I might potentially agree with much of Ilya Somin's. But I find it frustrating, because they see the problem, and not their own contributions to it. Let's quote Ilya above:
"Lawprofs are, on average, a much more left-wing group than non-academic legal commentators."
Indeed, they are. We might add that this is true of practicing litigators, judges, the whole legal ecosystem. It was not always the case, but the legal community have increasingly grown radically unrepresentative of the American people, in terms of ideology, viewpoint, values, goals and aspirations. And this trend only seems to be accelerating.
And because of this radical disconnect between them and the American people, the American people experience the legal system as a sort of army of occupation.
You've transformed the laws and the Constitution, which are supposed to be a rock of stability in our lives, into an engine of change. Used them to impose on the public things we never voted for.
Yes, Somin, too, knows that his views on open borders are not popular, and yet, if he could, he'd have the courts impose them on an unwilling country. He's part of that occupying army, even if it's not currently executing his preferred actions.
You can't change that rock of stability into an engine of undesired change, AND expect the public to cling to it. You can't use the law to subvert democracy, and expect the demos to see upholding the law as the highest value!
I've said before that, while I generally support Trump's aims, his means suck. He's clumsy, he's indifferent to following formal procedure, he is, increasingly, acting like a dictator.
And yet, he's something novel in recent political experience: He's all this in the service of doing the things he ran on doing! And somebody being elected President and setting out to do what they said they'd do is so novel in recent experience that the public is going to extend him an enormous amount of slack, that a President who was equally clumsy and violative in doing what they DIDN'T run on doing wouldn't get.
So, the bottom line: The legal community are deeply responsible for creating the current situation, and very poorly positioned to do anything about it. Somebody once said, (This is a paraphrase.) "You can't rule a country you're not from."
You can't save a country you're not from, either.
>We might add that this is true of practicing litigators, judges, the whole legal ecosystem.
That probably explains why the Justice System is racist and two-teired. It's par for the Leftwing course.
I've said before that, while I generally support Trump's aims, his means suck. He's clumsy, he's indifferent to following formal procedure, he is, increasingly, acting like a dictator.
And yet you continue to support him.
Your comment is a typical Bellmore "leave myself with a back door out" effort.
I support his ends, I do not support his means.
But the main thrust is you support *him* and will make up all the ends you need to do so.
That is an utterly empty, unprincipled, amoral, and/or immoral response. One could say that about almost any authoritarian leader in history. I mean, Hitler was trying to Make Germany Great Again and fix the economy and eliminate offensive woke stuff and the like. But the only people who said "I support his ends, I do not support his means." were correctly called Nazis.
I am not saying that Trump rises to the level of Hitler. I am saying that if one doesn't support the means, then one doesn't go around expressing approval of the ends; one just opposes the person.
Unless of course, you think the alternatives will be one that has shitty means and ends, like Cumala Harris, Joe Bidet, and Barack Obongo.
They seek a massive increase in presidential power, which if fully achieved would potentially undermine most of the constitutional separation of powers and create an elective monarchy or a quasi-authoritarian state. If they prevail, it would be terrible for the rule of law and liberal democratic values generally.
The problem with this as a criticism ia that the cultists generally don't see this as a criticism but as the goal.
Gotta wreck the republic to restore the republic.
Been reading about the French Revolution, and there's plenty of echoes of today in the radicals manufacturing their own exigencies to require *something* radical, which causes chaos requiring *something else* radical.
See also Thucydides:
"Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal ally; prudent hesitation, specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question, inaptness to act on any. Frantic violence became the attribute of manliness"
I'm not at all happy about this, and I think it ends badly, but these are the final acts of a play that's been going on for close to a century now, ever since FDR bullied the Supreme court into approving of his huge seizures of power, and constitutional limits on the federal government died.
I've never seen the left complain about the trend, just complain when the increasing dictatorship wasn't theirs. If it were Harris usurping power instead, you'd be cool with it.
these are the final acts of a play that's been going on for close to a century now, ever since FDR bullied the Supreme court into approving of his huge seizures of power,
You're not going far enough back. This is the heating up of a war that began as a hot war between Southern whites and civilisation, cooled off, to the Southern whites' advantage, until the abolition of slavery during WWII, and then it heated up again in the 1950s and 1960s, though with the participants' preferred political parties changing, simmered away for a while as Southern white culture (grievance, white entitlement, racism, authoritarianism, and a teratological form of Christianity) spread to other parts of the US, started boiling up again owing to the immensely offensive and immoral - to them - election of a black president - and then along came the new Jefferson Davis only this time subverting the US from the inside.
I've never seen the left complain about the trend, just complain when the increasing dictatorship wasn't theirs.
I cannot answer for the left, but I had long thought that the greater threat to liberty in the US came from the right, not the left, so I was less concerned about illiberal moves from that side. And I have been proven right.
Yeah, that's going to be how it looks if you like the left's depredations, and so don't notice that they, too, are deprivations of liberty. If you don't care about bakers who don't want to endorse SSM, don't care about people who don't want their showers just drooling on them, don't care if people don't want you ordering them about.
You inadvertently prove my point with a specific example: which is the greater denial of liberty, compelling a baker to bake a cake for a SSM wedding, or prohibiting SSM?
Are you suggesting that it was somehow impossible to have permitted SSM WITHOUT forcing bakers to bake the cake?
The problem with the legalization of SSM wasn't THAT it was legalized. It was HOW it was legalized: By judicial fiat, rather than democratic persuasion! In one state after another the judiciary just steamrollered over the democratic opposition, 'interpreting' as mandating SSM an amendment that nobody had previously thought meant anything of the sort, that never would have been ratified in the first place if anybody had thought it meant that.
That's the exact sin I'm pointing out on the part of the symposium members: They want the public, the demos, to respect the law, but do they respect democracy? No, they do not. They have nothing but contempt for the public and democracy, if it does not produce the outcome they want, and they have no apparent reservations about using the legal system to force outcomes that just run roughshod over democracy and public opinion, on the basis of the most transparent sophistries.
You can't treat the Constitution and the law like that, and expect the public to continue caring about the Constitution and the law. It's either a weapon or a shield, it can't be both, and the symposium participants made it into a weapon, which now cannot shield them.
"Are you suggesting that it was somehow impossible to have permitted SSM WITHOUT forcing bakers to bake the cake?"
That's literally what happened, so it was obviously possible.
It is weirdly mystifying to me about how the right keeps on about the guy baking the cake. This would be like people on the left continuing to debate as if schools were still legally segregated and using that as an example of racial injustice.
Minimizing abuses of people's rights simply because you don't care about the people being abused is not a compelling argument.
do they respect democracy? No, they do not. >
Neither do you, Brett.
Yuo're moving away from the point, which was the issue of relative infrginements (or otherwise) on liberty.
SSM, regardless of how it "passed", expanded liberty, it did not contract it. Meanwhile, compelling bigots to bake cakes for SSM is definitely a contraction of liberty but a very minor one as it did not require the bakers to do anything differently from what they normally do. So opposing SSM is a far greater restriction on liberty than imposing bakery obligations and one has to be really stupid to think otherwise. Hence where does the greater restriction on liberty arise, from conservatives or liberals?
SSM being implemented did not expand liberty for those who wanted the liberty of entering into a societal and religious agreement un-cheapened by two homosexuals in a fake one.
SRG2, your position appears to be that jurists can be dishonest so long as you like the outcome. Why do others not get to reason on that basis, starting from different preferences? Because they're not YOUR preferences? That's no basis for a theory of government! And you NEED a theory of government that people who disagree can agree on!
What I'm saying is that the judiciary, the legal system, are the umpires, and the elected branches the players, and umpires get all their moral authority from the perception that they are just impartially enforcing the rules.
Once it becomes obvious that they're picking favorites, saying that they're picking the RIGHT favorites is no defense, they lose their moral authority.
And the judiciary, the 'least dangerous branch', have in the end ONLY moral authority. If they lose their ability to persuade the elected branches that they should do as the judiciary say, it's game over.
We're approaching game over at this point, because everybody understands that the umpires are crooked. And this was a symposium of people who think the umpires SHOULD be crooked... They're not responsible for what Trump does, no. But they're responsible for robbing the judiciary of the moral authority to effectively oppose him.
And it would be nice if they'd look in a mirror and see that.
I start from principles about infringing on or expanding liberty. I am less concerned about the mechanics. It is certainly preferable to achieve some outcomes via legislation rather than judicial decision, but the fact of the outcome matters more.
And where the People have a liberty interest that is being denied by the legislature, I am not vexed when the courts recognise it.
But, we disagree about what free floating liberty interests are important. I don't recall you being very exercised about gun control laws, for instance. (If I'm wrong about this, remember I am in my late 60's, and my memory is increasingly fallible.)
We have, however, via formal procedures, made certain liberty interests legally enforceable, and other liberty interests... not so legally enforceable. And it isn't the role of the judiciary to make those determinations, it's the role of the judiciary to implement those determinations.
Again I say: The judiciary has moral authority, and only moral authority, and that moral authority stems from the perception that they are umpires, impartially enforcing rules others originated, which we have democratically agreed to.
The winners of a legal fight will always think their victory is legitimate, that's baked into their being the ones who won. The critical thing for the judiciary is that the people who DIDN'T win concede that legitimacy. And you're not going to get that concession by telling them that they were wrong and the other side right. You're going to get it, if at all, by their thinking the process was fair.
And a process that openly, or even not covertly enough, just says, "Screw it, we like SRG2's politics better, he wins!" is not going to be perceived as fair by anybody but SRG2.
Hauling in 2A stuff on a discussion on the relative infringement of liberty of SSM seems more red herring than argument.
Also, you don't get to delegitimize a court case and in the same breath call for your views to be legitimated.
That's some towering hypocrisy.
You can't treat the Constitution and the law like that, and expect the public to continue caring about the Constitution and the law. It's either a weapon or a shield, it can't be both,
Bellmore — Of course the Constitution was intended to be both a weapon and shield. That is literally what it means to empower government, but also to vindicate individual rights against government.
I'm all for the Marxist view of history, Brett. Though see SRG2's different perspective below for how that doesn't really end the discussion.
But I also believe you have agency. Certainly the Trump admin does. They're choosing to do these radical things. And no amount of childish 'the left did bad things too!' will excuse any of this.
I'm not excusing it, I'm saying these symposia participants are oblivious to the way they brought this on, to how it's a reaction to their own abuses.
Everything after you said 'I'm not excusing it' is you excusing it!
Your criiicism is a variation of “Cet animal est très méchant: quand on l'attaque il se défend”
As I frequently tell people, the only HS French I remember is "Je ne parle pas français."
I'm saying that they have abusively used the legal system to override democracy, for many, many, years, and should not be surprised if the demos are starting to lose their concern for the legal system.
these symposia participants are oblivious to the way they brought this on, to how it's a reaction to their own abuses.
All the other guys' fault. If he hadn't made a wrong turn up my driveway he wouldn't have gotten shot."
Fuck you. What "abuses?' Reading the Constitution differently than you do? Do the Trumpists not have agency?
You're deranged.
You can't use dishonest jurisprudence to take control of the meaning of the Constitution away from the people, and expect the people to continue caring what you say the Constitution demands. They should have stuck to amendments when they wanted changes, or at least shown some restraint, if they wanted the Constitution to continue being an effective limit on the Presidency.
dishonest jurisprudence
Reading the Constitution differently than you is not dishonest, you pride-puffed fool.
Reading the Constitution differently from what the damned words actually SAY damned well is, though.
Reading the Constitution differently than you still isn't dishonest, even if you insist extra hard that the words say what you think they do.
And we're back to "Language doesn't really have any meaning, so I'm free to say the words mean anything I want."
While you are free to say that, as are the symposium participants, you're not free from the consequences of that attitude, which is that people who disagree with you stop caring what you claim the words mean.
No, Brett, you're the one who thinks insurrection and fascist and emergency have no meaning.
I think words have meaning, but reasonable people can differ about what they mean and how to interpret their mining in the Constitution.
Reading "nor...deprive any person...without due process of law" to mean "nor deny any person the right to stick his penis into another man's butt and wriggle it around in excrement" is not "reading it differently." It's wholesale bad faith, and you know it.
Once again Bellmore, if you imagine the Constitution demands a particular set of policy outcomes, you have misconstrued the notion of political liberty at the heart of American constitutionalism.
Not only policies, but even choices of government institutions, belong to the People, as questions they are at liberty to decide at pleasure, and without constraint—including even constraint by their own existing Constitution. They can change the Constitution at will, and by whatever means they can manage, not merely according to whatever prescriptions some previous cohort decreed.
FYI for the Lefties:
A new moral panic and buzzword has dropped.
"dangerous dictator"
Be sure to use it frequently. It's the Lefty Crisis Du Jour.
It's about as accurate as Somin being described as a "scholar."
I don't see this administration as being "lawless" so much as taking an extreme position on what the law allows them to do, with the intent of forcing rulings from the Supreme Court.
This is a no-lose strategy. If the court grants their interpretations, they get to take action. If the court denies, it provides the justification for preventing the Democrats from taking action the next time they gain possession of the "pen and the phone" on the desk in the Oval office.
Could it be possible that the left is being set up to win the battle yet lose the war? Are the legal eagles on the right that smart?
I don't know. But I do know that we are playing out a very long game here. There is much more going on than mere jockeying for power.
Some of it is baiting the left into Pyrrhic victories. Part of it is just being inexcusably clumsy and unorganized.
Deporting Garcia to El Salvador was just a mistake, not some brilliant strategy. That sort of thing happens when you're trying to accomplish some huge task with inadequate resources.
I'm increasingly pissed off at the Republican Congress for not giving Trump those resources.
That sort of thing happens when you're trying to accomplish some huge task with inadequate resources.
And don't care if mistakes are made.
Don't care enough if mistakes are made, maybe.
If you do ANYTHING big, mistakes are guaranteed. The justice system has, unavoidably, a non-zero error rate. Does this mean that the justice system doesn't care about mistakes? Or does it mean that it doesn't only care about avoiding mistakes?
Any number of mistakes in deportation is too many, of course, if you start out not wanting deportations in the first place. But that's a position that has already been democratically rejected last year.
Literally defending 'mistakes were made.'
You're like a character in a satire.
I'd say that's you. Do you deny that the justice system, unavoidably, makes mistakes?
And if you concede that's true, does the fact that they don't shut down the justice system mean that they don't care about mistakes?
Or does it mean that they don't ONLY care about mistakes?
And if the latter, why does the same reasoning not apply to immigration law enforcement? Remembering that the voters have already spoken: They want immigration laws enforced.
And what does the justice system try to do when they concede they made a mistake? In general, resolve it, unlike the regime.
And HERE you have a reasonable complaint, I'd say. Garcia should have already been in the US, had a proper hearing, and been sent back to El Salvador legally by now. But, no, the administration got stubborn.
Sometimes they SHOULD get stubborn, but not times like this, when they genuinely screwed up.
Like I said, it's not that they don't care at all about mistakes; Garcia isn't in CENCOT anymore. But they clearly don't care enough.
You know full well that the leftists wouldn't have tolerated a hearing and being deported. They want him to be able to stay in the U.S. (which is why they're dishonestly referring to him as a "Maryland man") and anything less than that will be nazism.
"I don't see this administration as being "lawless" so much as taking an extreme position on what the law allows them to do, with the intent of forcing rulings from the Supreme Court."
This (charitable) interpretation only holds up until you get rulings from the Supreme Court that you just ignore, which has already happened.
Also, notably, the birthright citizenship EO directly contradicts a Supreme Court precedent so it seems hard to argue that it's an extreme position on what the law allows.
Also, notably, the birthright citizenship EO directly contradicts a Supreme Court precedent so it seems hard to argue that it's an extreme position on what the law allows.
I would agree it would be wrong for a lower court to contradict a precedent, because that court is bound by the higher. The Presidency, however, is not so bound. For it to challenge a precedent is indeed extreme, but not illicit. Perhaps what it is challenging is a precedent that will be reversed by the court. This has happened more than once.
So you're adopting the Nixonian principle of "if the President does it, it can't be lawless" I guess.
No, please don't mangle what I'm saying, I hate when that happens. I'm saying it is not illicit for a President to CHALLENGE an interpretation of the law, even one with precedent.
But if you challenge it by doing the opposite of that interpretation, how is that different from just ignoring the law? What would actually constitute a lawless Presidency in your mind?
How else can you challenge it? The Supreme Court doesn't just issue declaratory judgments.
two libertarians (Jonathan Adler and myself).
I didn't catch this the first time.
From his posts, etc., Adler is not what I would define as "libertarian." Comes off more as a conservative which is not just a word that means "Trump lackey."
FWIW, I went back and read some previous Adler posts and think he comes across as reasonably libertarian.
Seems like his priorities are
(1) Strict respect for the rule of law
(2) Conservative to the extent it does not conflict with (1)
Since our constitution is fairly libertarian, a conservative who respects it ends up looking a bit libertarian.
Same goes for a liberal, by the way: a temperamental leftist who nevertheless accepts that the constitution protects guns, hate speech, religious refuseniks, and private property would go over pretty well with libertarians.
There are very few of those liberals left. Alan Dershowitz is the only one that comes to mind right now.
I don't think it is a patently silly conclusion or something but from what I know of his record, I would lean "conservative."
And, FWIW, I did a search of his name and "conservative" and there are many hits that label him a conservative. Not that it clinches it, this includes the beginning of his Wikipedia profile:
"Jonathan H. Adler is a conservative American legal commentator and law professor."
The definition of a fool: a person who acts unwisely or imprudently; a silly person.
Ilya is a fool.