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Apparent AI Hallucinations in Defense Filing in Coomer v. Lindell / My Pillow Election-Related Libel Suit
UPDATE: Lawyer's response added; post bumped to highlight the update.
[Post was originally posted April 24, 2025, at 8:14 pm.]
From yesterday's decision by Judge Nina Wang in Coomer v. Lindell (D. Colo.):
As discussed extensively on the record, after confirming with Mr. Kachouroff that he signed the Opposition consistent with his obligations under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, the Court identified nearly thirty defective citations in the Opposition. These defects include but are not limited to misquotes of cited cases; misrepresentations of principles of law associated with cited cases, including discussions of legal principles that simply do not appear within such decisions; misstatements regarding whether case law originated from a binding authority such as the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit; misattributions of case law to this District; and most egregiously, citation of cases that do not exist.
Despite having every opportunity to do so, Mr. Kachouroff declined to explain to the Court how the Opposition became replete with such fundamental errors. For example, when confronted with the first misquotation in a parenthetical appearing on page 3 of the Opposition—purportedly drawn from Mata v. City of Farmington, 798 F. Supp. 2d 1215, 1227 (D.N.M. 2011)—Mr. Kachouroff stated to the Court:
Your Honor I may have made a mistake and I may have paraphrased and put quotes by mistake. I wasn't intending to mislead the Court. I don't think the quote is far off from what you read to me.
When asked how a case from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky became attributable to the United States District Court for the District of Colorado, Mr. Kachouroff indicated that he "had given the cite checking to another person," later identified as Ms. DeMaster. When asked whether he would be surprised to find out that the citation Perkins v. Fed. Fruit & Produce Co., 945 F.3d 1242, 1251 (10th Cir. 2019) appearing on page 6 of Defendants' Opposition did not exist as an actual case, Mr. Kachouroff indicated that he would be surprised.
{There is a District of Colorado case of Perkins v. Fed. Fruit & Produce Co., 945 F. Supp. 2d 1225 (D. Colo. 2013), appeal dismissed, No. 13-1250 (10th Cir. July 29, 2013), but such case does not stand for the proposition asserted by Defendants, i.e., that a Court of Appeals affirmed "admitting evidence of prior emotional difficulties to challenge damages claims."} Time and time again, when Mr. Kachouroff was asked for an explanation of why citations to legal authorities were inaccurate, he declined to offer any explanation, or suggested that it was a "draft pleading."
Not until this Court asked Mr. Kachouroff directly whether the Opposition was the product of generative artificial intelligence did Mr. Kachouroff admit that he did, in fact, use generative artificial intelligence. After further questioning, Mr. Kachouroff admitted that he failed to cite check the authority in the Opposition after such use before filing it with the Court—despite understanding his obligations under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Even then, Mr. Kachouroff represented that he personally outlined and wrote a draft of a brief before utilizing generative artificial intelligence. Given the pervasiveness of the errors in the legal authority provided to it, this Court treats this representation with skepticism….
The court ordered defendants' lawyers to explain why they shouldn't be sanctioned, and why they shouldn't be referred for disciplinary proceedings. It added,
Counsel will specifically address, under the oath subject to the penalty of perjury, the circumstances surrounding the preparation of the Opposition to Plaintiff's Motion in Limine, including but not limited to whether Defendants were advised and approved of their counsel's use of generative artificial intelligence ….
No later than May 5, 2025, defense counsel of record SHALL CERTIFY that a copy of this Order has been provided to Defendant Michael Lindell personally ….
One might say Mr. Kachouroff was caught with his pants down, though I think the current problem is worse than the earlier one:
Thanks to my colleague Justin Grimmer for the pointer (to the AI hallucination matter, not the pants one).
UPDATE 4/25/2025 2:34 pm: The lawyer's response to the court order, which basically states that one of the lawyers "had mistakenly filed a draft of our Opposition to Plaintiff's Motion in Limine instead of the final version of the Opposition which we had carefully cite-checked and edited":
On February 25, 2025, counsel for Defendants filed what they believed to be the correct Opposition response (Doc. 283) to Plaintiff's Motion in Limine. Almost two months later, at the conclusion of the April 21 pre-trial conference and without any notice, the discussion unexpectedly turned into an evidentiary hearing focused on the substance of Defendants' Opposition. Defense counsel was caught off-guard with the Court's line of questioning as he was unaware of any errors or issues with his response filed 55 days earlier, and had no reasonable opportunity to investigate any problem to be able to engage in constructive discussion about Doc. No. 283. Defense Counsel had no advanced indication that the Court appeared to have conclusively assumed that Defense counsel blindly relied on generative artificial intelligence in their filing. Defense counsel respectfully submits that the lack of advance notice left them unprepared to explain the filing at the time. The Court was obviously prepared to conduct its examination well in advance, catching Defense counsel wholly unprepared.
During the April 21 hearing, Defense counsel tried to slow down the Court's examination of case citations in Doc. 283 because it was moving rapidly and Defense counsel was still unaware of the reasoning behind the Court's questioning. Defense counsel asked to return to a particular Westlaw citation and commented that the citation was odd, that this was not the way that counsel formats his cites, and that this document may have been a draft. At other times, counsel told the Court that he needed to check into it since, again, at this time he was still uncertain as to how this error could have occurred. The Court rejected these comments because it seemed to assumed that defense counsel blindly relied on a response produced by AI. The Court insisted on going through every case citation asking, "Would you be surprised … ?" And of course, Defense counsel answered that he was surprised. He could not recall Doc. 283 which had been filed 55 days earlier, let alone the correct legal authorities used to support the various arguments made in Doc. 283.
The Court's order insinuates that it had to confront Defense counsel directly in order to gain an admission that AI was used. Respectfully, this is not accurate. There is nothing wrong with using AI when used properly. At that time, counsel had no reason to believe that an AI-generated or unverified draft had been submitted.
After the hearing and having a subsequent opportunity to investigate Doc. 283, it was immediately clear that the document filed was not the correct version. It was a prior draft. It was inadvertent, an erroneous filing that was not done intentionally, and was filed mistakenly through human error. Counsel acted swiftly to rectify the error.
D.C.Colo.LCivR 7.1(i) permits this court to strike Doc. 283 and return the response for revision. The correct response is attached as Exhibit A without alteration and does not include a completed certificate of service. If permitted by the Court after consideration of the attached exhibits, we would submit the form of Exhibit A with an errata or corrected title and an updated certificate of service.
A Microsoft Word generated comparison of the changes between the incorrect response (Doc. 283) that was filed and the correct response counsel intended to file is attached as Exhibit B. Also included in Exhibit B is an appendix of changes created on April 21, 2025. Exhibit B shows the numerous and substantive changes to what was the final and correct document.
The mistaken filing occurred under circumstances which were entirely inadvertent. For example, the day prior to the filing of the wrong version, Defendants' counsel worked together to remove troublesome citations and shore up the main argument. See Exhibit C – 2025.02.24 Emails between DeMaster and Kachouroff.
Also included with this response and motion are screen shots of the document properties from the incorrect and correct versions of the Opposition so that the Court can compare the two and see that no changes were made to the intended, correct document after the February 25, 2025 filing date. See Exhibit D – Document Properties Comparison.
Finally, Counsels' declarations detail the circumstances under which the inadvertent filing occurred and why it occurred. See Exhibits E - Decl. Demaster and F – Decl. Kachouroff. Again, the mistaken filing was human error and Doc. 283 was not intended to be filed. There was no lack of diligence on the part of Defense counsel and no intent to mislead this Court whatsoever.
Within hours of the Court's hearing, Defendants' counsel prepared a Motion for Leave to substitute Doc. 283. Pursuant to D.C.Colo.LCivR 7.1(a) and upon returning to his home state, Counsel conferred with opposing counsel by telephone on April 22, 2025, discussed the substance of Defendants' Motion for Leave including the circumstances for the mistaken filing, and apologized to opposing counsel for the inconvenience. Because of the severe nature of the level of sanctions hinted at in the Court's order, Defense counsel sent Plaintiff's counsel, a copy of the motion on April 23, 2025 and defense counsel also texted and left a message for opposing counsel to see whether they would oppose this filing. Plaintiff's counsel stated that they would not take a position on the motion for leave.
While waiting for Plaintiff's counsel's response, the Court issued its rule to show cause (Doc. 308). This motion was modified to include Defense counsel's response to the show cause order. Defense counsel has ensured this error was immediately corrected with sincere apology to this Court and opposing counsel.
We are not asking this Court to rehear any part of Plaintiff's motion in limine but we are seeking leave to file the revised and correct version in lieu of Doc. 283. All arguments made in the corrected version would be bound by statements, arguments, and withdrawals made at the hearing on April 21, 2025. We are also asking the Court, after considering the totality of the circumstances shown in the affidavits, to dismiss the rule to show cause.
Dated: April 25, 2025….
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ROTFLMAO!
At least Trump got MUCH MUCH better legal representation as time went on. I just don't get it, in regards to this case. It's like intentional sabotage. Penny wise; pound foolish.
Yes, it's really striking, the habitual inability of the Trumpniks generally to hire competent lawyers. I don't quite get it. I mean, I don't think much of Prof. Blackman's analyses, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't submit a brief with fake cases. But Trump-affiliated lawyers always seem a few notches below the Mendoza line, so to speak.
Selection bias.
In this case a competent lawyer would insist that Lindell settle, and at the very least stop spreading election conspiracies.
But Lindell wants to keep up with voter fraud nonsense, so predictably the only lawyers willing to represent him are as nutty and incompetent as him.
I think the judge is worried that she will be replaced by AI. Or she watched too many Terminator movies.
Well, that’s a lame take. Fake citations that waste everyone’s time are a big problem if only for that reason.
Whose time was wasted? Presumably the other party alerted the judge in the reply brief. Maybe the other party wasted some time, but checking out a real citation would have taken more time. Then he would have some cases to read!
I can’t believe that it is hard to understand why this was a waste of time. They had a hearing where the judge asked the lawyer about each bogus citation. That is a waste of time. And sure, checking out a real citation takes time, but they will still have to do that again in the future because the lawyer will have to submit a new brief. Reading an extra brief is a waste of time.
Blame the judge for holding a hearing on a triviality of not consequence.
The judge has to hold a hearing on that. It is misconduct. Lawyers are not allowed to submit briefs that contain information that isn’t true.
"Blame the judge for holding a hearing on a triviality of not [sic] consequence."
A lawyer's lack of candor to the court is serious misconduct. The consequences can be grave.
Is this satire?
The citations are evidence that the given argument is valid.
If the citations are fake then there's no evidence the argument is valid.
Roger S is an antisemitic MAGA loon, but he's also this weird autistic engineer (is that triply redundant?) who has a hard on for AI to the point where he thinks that a rule requiring attorneys to only submit things that are true does not forbid them from filing fabricated citations if the citations were generated by AI.
That makes more sense. It’s pretty clear he’s not a lawyer who’s ever litigated a case with briefing and a paying client.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
I understand the show cause order… but an admittedly new one for me is the last bit: certifying that Lindell personally gets a copy? What was the concern here— that the lawyers wouldn’t tell him?
When a lawyer gets sanctioned for mishandling his client's case, it's not uncommon for the court to order that the lawyer specifically notify the client of it. Yes, there's a concern that the lawyers wouldn't tell the client.
If Lindell had any measurable amount of intelligence, he would just submit a demand for a hand written and SIGNED guarantee from the fake judge, that he would actually GET a fair trial! Not even one of those fake judges would ever do such a thing, because they al know that a fair trial is impossible because the legal system is completely rigged up! WHY does anyone have to go through a trial, that isn't fair to them?
This is such a weird take on the trial. The judge is obviously real because she can order people to
do things snd they comply. It is pointless for Lindell to demand that because the judge will obviously respond that the trial will inherently be fair. But if you think the case is rigged, then I’m not sure how the letter would help. People have to go through trials because the court has jurisdiction over them and can fine them or put them in jail for contempt.
If you had read even just half of the papers I have written over the years about the corruption of the legal system, you would be very well educated and not make comments like that. Look up The UNIVERSAL Get Out Of Jail For Free Card!, The Do NOT Detain, Do NOT Molest List, Any Person Subject To..., The Scam of the Legal System, The Holes in the Legal System, Dissection and Analysis of Standing and Jurisdiction, Betrayal of the Public's Trust and many more.
So, if the trial is really going to be fair to all in it, then why not sign a guarantee? The fake judges (they have no proper oath of office on file anywhere) collude with the prostituting attorneys to get convictions, because THAT is where to money is, not by letting innocent people go!
This is like a sovereign citizen pro se ramble. So so incorrect. But if you’re paranoid and sitting on the outside, I can see the appeal. Sometimes reality is not as exciting as you want to believe.
You missed an important detail. Did the Stars and Stripes in the courtroom have fringes on it?
Any time a comments has this Many irrelevant Capitalizations in RANDOM places and says “If you’d only Read the THINGS I have read”, you can be sure it’s the product of come high-Grade top-NOTCH legal jenkem.
Once upon a time there was a thing called "Shepard's Citations".
When I taught legal research and writing I and the other teachers made a point of stressing, time and again, the absolute necessity to use Shepard's, i.e., "Shepardize". Not only the citation but also one-level-down, particularly when there's a sub-cite embedded in the main cite.
It doesn't do much good to cite "Smith v. Jones" for the proposition that "Norton v. Kramden" expresses the governing law, when "Norton v. Kramden" has been overruled. You might only find out that "Norton" is no longer good law by Shepardizing "Norton".
While there are only so many hours in a day, one of the hours that needs to be kept on the schedule is using Shepard's. Better to do that at the beginning, before you write the brief relying on that caselaw, than waiting until the end and finding out only then that you've built your brief on bad (or non-existent) precedent.
Your adversary will find it.
The other time that HAS to be spent is the time spent on actually reading the cases. I won a case once where the opposition party misstated the law by selective misquoting.
"Plaintiffs argue that "[t]o hold otherwise would be contrary to well-settled law ... that `a contract speaks as of the date it was signed.' .... The actual "well-settled law" in ... is stated more fully as follows: "Unless the parties understand otherwise, a contract speaks as of the date it was signed."
I know that was 35 years ago and actually reading the cases and doing the drudgery of Shepardizing is so, so passe. But it still remains the "best practice" that has to be followed.
I'm an appellate lawyer, so I've filed a LOT of briefs. I can't think of a single time I've ever submitted a brief or motion without at least doing a quick check of citations to make sure there were no typos and nothing's been overruled. I transpose numbers sometimes, so checking cites is extremely important!
Agree to both points. I would stress that reading the cases are very important as well. Citations from a case, even the holding of the case, is a holding applicable to the facts and the parties before the court in that case. It is not Holy Scripture.
We all have our favorite cases and cites that say things we like but it is important to ask if the factual situation in the case you are citing is distinguishable from the facts in the current case. I hammer my opponents on this one all the time because they get lazy with their "cite bank."
Well, something I agree with you on!
What's even more hilarious is that one of the defective citations to a real case was Peterson v. Nelnet, decided by then-Magistrate Judge Wang: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-cod-1_17-cv-01064/pdf/USCOURTS-cod-1_17-cv-01064-2.pdf
On the embedded (pantless lawyer) video... why wasn't he wearing a tie and jacket either?
Who knows...
After reading the associate’s mea culpa, I might even give them a pass (this time).
I was looking to pile on, but I'm sort of with you. There have been plenty of times when I've been drafting a brief and I'll pull cases from prior work or excerpts, drop it in to my brief, then mark it to review later (generally with highlighting so I don't forget).
If someone said they wrote a brief using AI, then went back and go correct citations, I wouldn't necessarily be happy or think that it's good practice, but I wouldn't find it as offensive as some of the other stuff I've seen people pull.