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Another Court Enjoins Implementation of Trump's Funding Freeze
Has any other president in US history taken so many actions "substantially likely" to have been illegal in his first 100 days? Or, for that matter, in his entire term?
On Tuesday, the district court in Rhode Island, following the lead of numerous other recent court decisions[*], enjoined further implementation of the "funding freeze" announced in Executive Order 14,154 ("Unleashing American Energy"), which directed all federal agencies to "immediately pause the disbursement of funds appropriated through the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 (IRA) or the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA)."
The opinion by district judge McElroy - a Trump appointee, as it happens - is well-written and well-reasoned - worth reading, I think, within the whirlwind of court decisions flying this way and that out there. From the introductory summary:
The Nonprofits[**] argue that the Government—in summarily freezing billions of dollars in IIJA and IRA funding—ran afoul of three Administrative Procedure Act ("APA") provisions: its requirement that agency actions (1) are not "arbitrary and capricious," (2) are not "in excess" of the authority that Congress granted the agencies, and (3) are not otherwise contrary to law. The Nonprofits now move for a preliminary injunction—a temporary court order requiring the agencies to turn the funding spigots back on, at least while their case is pending.
The Nonprofits' Motion is GRANTED…. [T]he Court holds that the Nonprofits have demonstrated a strong likelihood of success on two of their three APA claims. First, they have adequately shown at least three ways that the sudden, indefinite freeze of all already-awarded IIJA and IRA money was arbitrary and capricious: it was neither reasonable nor reasonably explained, and it also failed to account for any reliance interests. Second, the broad powers that OMB, the NEC Director, and the five Agencies assert are nowhere to be found in federal law.
The Agencies likely possess narrower powers related to individualized funding pauses and terminations, but in cases of vast economic and political significance—like this one—the Supreme Court has urged lower courts to be skeptical of agencies' sweeping claims of power. That is to say: those narrower powers cannot justify the broad exercise of authority that OMB, the NEC Director, and the Agencies asserted here. . . .
[That is a nice rhetorical touch, no? For many years, conservative jurists, including several now sitting on the Supreme Court, have been urging courts to be "skeptical of [executive] agencies' sweeping claims of power." Judge McIlroy appears to suggest that skepticism is just as appropriate now, when the agencies are in Republican hands, as it was when they were controlled by Democrats. Justice Gorsuch, wouldn't you agree?]
Having found that the plaintiffs had "adequately demonstrated irreparable harm" and that "the balance of the equities and the public interest weigh heavily in their favor," the court added:
Because of these claims' unique nature, the broad powers that the Government asserts, and the harms inflicted on the Nonprofits and similarly situated nonparties, the Court holds that a nationwide injunction is appropriate. After finding that the Government's sweeping actions were likely unlawful, the Court cannot see why similarly situated nonparties should remain subject to them. . . . [W]hen a reviewing court determines that agency regulations are unlawful, the ordinary result is that the rules are vacated— not that their application to the individual petitioners is proscribed.
Each of these points is discussed in detail in the 63-page opinion.[***]
And Judge McElroy adds this interesting explanatory bit:
The Court wants to be crystal clear: elections have consequences and the President is entitled to enact his agenda. The judiciary does not and cannot decide whether his policies are sound. In other words, "the wisdom" of his decisions "is none of our concern." But where the federal courts are constitutionally required to weigh in—meaning we, by law, have no choice but to do so—are cases 'about the procedure' (or lack thereof) that the Government follows in trying to enact those policies. Agencies do not have unlimited authority to further a President's agenda, nor do they have unfettered power to hamstring in perpetuity two statutes passed by Congress during the previous administration.
And the answer to my obviously rhetorical question posed in the subtitle above is, of course, "no." Spend a little time at services like the Civil Rights Litigation Clearinghouse or JustSecurity's Litigation Tracker to get a sense of the scope of the problem. It is a breath-taking record of unlawful conduct by our chief executive. I haven't counted them all up, but in the less than 3 months since Inauguration Day courts all over the country have entered literally dozens and dozens of restraining orders and injunctions against the executive branch. Obviously, those decisions are not final, and in some or perhaps many cases a final adjudication will absolve the government of having acted unlawfully. But still. It is increasingly difficult to argue that Trump is "faithfully executing" the laws of the United States. Why it seems to matter not at all to his supporters is a mystery I doubt I'll ever quite fathom.
[*]See, e.g., State of New York v. Trump (D.R.I. 2025); State of Maine v. Trump (D. ME); State of Colorado v HHS (D.R.I.); Widakuswara v. Lake (D.D.C.); RFE/RL v. Lake (DDC); CPB v. FEMA (DDC); State of California v. Dep't of Education (D. MA); Commonwealth of Mass. v. NIH (D MA); Association of American Universities v. HHS (D MA); Association of American Medical Colleges v. HHS (D MA); National Treasury Employees Union v. Vought (DDC) With many thanks to the Civil Rights Litigation Clearinghouse for keeping track of all of these lawsuits.
[**] The plaintiffs in the case are a number of non-profit organizations (e.g., the Woonasquatucket River Watershed Council, the Childhood Lead Action Project) who have received grants under either the IRA or the IIJA (or both), along with an umbrella organization, the National Council of Nonprofits. Defendants are the USDA, the US Department of Energy, the Dept. of the Interior, the EPA, HUD, the National Economic Council, and the Office of Management and Budget.
[***] The opinion also contains useful discussions of the court's jurisdiction to hear the claim, the plaintiffs' standing to bring the claim, and the "finality" of the agency action involved.
Of particular interest is the court's resolution of the claim that the agencies lack the statutory authority to broadly halt the disbursement of funding appropriated by the IRA and IIJA.
"The government suggests that there is no need for the Court to search for a statute specifically authorizing Defendants to pause funding and redirect it to a different recipient, because the authority to do so is implicit in the grant programs and appropriations laws themselves. The Government's last point is actually the starting point for the analysis. It is well-established that an agency "literally has no power to act—including under its regulations—unless and until Congress authorizes it to do so by statute." And "where the statute at issue is one that confers authority upon an administrative agency, that inquiry must be shaped, at least in some measure, by the nature of the question presented—whether Congress in fact meant to confer the power the agency has asserted." It is probably true that, as the Government suggests, that the greater power to administer the funds includes some lesser power to pause individual grants. But the power that the Agency Defendants have actually asserted is a much broader one. It is not to pause individual, already-awarded funds for failure to comply with a grant agreement or because of a change in policy, but rather to freeze any access to all already-awarded funds under two statutes indefinitely, based solely on the fact that the funds came from those two statutes. In doing so, the Defendant Agencies have summarily tied up a significant subset of the billions of dollars already awarded under those acts. The Court cannot see how they can claim that power."
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"Has any other president in US history taken so many actions "substantially likely" to have been illegal in his first 100 days? Or, for that matter, in his entire term?"
FDR?
I haven’t counted, but I’d bet a tasty beverage of your choice that FDR’s injunction count at 100 days is far lower than 47’s.
Sure, but the topic was illegal actions, not injunctions against illegal actions. FDR did a lot of illegal stuff, but the courts mostly rolled over and played dead for him.
BrettLaw is not a great metric.
He is, of course, totally correct on FDR
District judges did not generally think of themselves as being presidents back then.
These judges don't think they are President.
They think they are Saving Sacred Democracy.
This is the new MAGA talking point, I guess. The judicial branch, in performing the check on the executive power as intended, is "being presidents."
I don't really understand that. If the courts allowed it, it wasn't illegal. My clients would think I was crazy if I told them "The law is x, but the court will rule not-x."
But it's frequently the case that the law is x, but the courts will rule not-x.
I mean, look at the 6th amendment.
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed,"
"All" is not a particularly vague word. And yet the Supreme court has ruled that you do NOT get the right to a jury trial for what they've arbitrarily declared to be "petty" crimes, punishable by less than 6 months in jail.
Worse, the Court has ruled that you can be charged with any number of counts of a 'petty' offense, adding up to potentially centuries in prison, and be denied a jury trial.
I would venture to say that it's actually EASIER for the layman to understand "The law is x, but the court will rule non-x.", because the layman isn't committed to notions like the law being whatever judges say it is.
My clients are in business, and want to know what the courts will do, not what a Platonic guardian would do.
Sure, they'll still understand, "The law is actually X, but the courts will rule Y, so we're just going to pretend the law is Y."
Brett, you are not the Arbiter of Law, whose belief in how the law ought to be interpreted is the same as what the law is.
We have an institution in charge of saying what the law is. Even when you or I think they are very wrong, so long as you live in our society, the judiciary are the ones saying what the law is.
He's not writing a brief, he can express his opinion of what the law should be without your constant nagging.
Court decisions are not Holy Writ.
he can express his opinion of what the law should be
Yes. But that's not what he's doing.
He's saying, as he does so often, that his opinion of what the law should be is, in fact, the law, judges be damned.
Court decisions are not holy writ, of course not. But they are the law. Brett Bellmore's personal opinions are not the law.
I'm observing that the 6th amendment says "all", the Court says "some" and that some is not all.
Is your argument that some IS all? Or just that the Supreme court, rather than the Constitution, is the highest law of the land?
Again "all" is not a vague word. It's alright to notice that the Supreme court's rulings do not always agree with the Constitution. Honesty demands that we notice that the Emperors' new judicial robes are often made of air.
And I'm sure those business clients dutifully stood against DEI preferences because of them running contrary to equal employment law, right? Surely you told them and they acted accordingly.
To the extent they followed my advice, they complied with the law as the Supreme Court declared it from time to time. Are you one of those mystics who believes that courts don't change the law, they just declare what it has always been, so that all the doctors who performed abortions before Doe v. Bolton can now be prosecuted for murder, and all the admissions offices which followed the guidance of Grutter can be made to pay damages for racial discrimination?
"I don't really understand that. If the courts allowed it, it wasn't illegal."
FDR rounded up tens of thousands of American citizens based on their race and sent them to concentration camps.
The courts allowed it, but it was illegal.
Lincoln, by far.
Rather the question is, Have there ever been so many partisan hack federal judges issuing TROs in a frenzy to abandon any pretense of adhering to the limits of their Art. III power?
Another commie judge?
Please explain what it is about Judge McElroy that makes her a "commie."
He ruled against Trump.
*She.
She was originally nominated by Obama, but the nomination lapsed. She was then re-nominated by Trump- probably as part of a deal on judges in the Senate- and confirmed in 2019.
Her state is Rhode Island, which is the same state as Sheldon Whitehouse.
Whitehouse is best described as someone who would return a blue slip for a conservative judge over his dead body.
Oh, David Post was deceptive then. Or too dumb to understand the effect of blue slips. Both?
It's another one of those "polite fictions" we are all supposed to pretend is true.
Like the judges not being biased.
Or forum shopping doesn't undermine the Rule of Law.
Or the convenient coincidences of judge assignment in allegedly random selection processes.
Or the President is responsible for Congressional spending.
Or that government schools goals are to educate not domesticate America's children.
Or that the government doesn't censor you when they set up secret backdoor and reporting portals and make reports which then get you censored.
The problem is that public schools don't adequately domesticate the little savages. That's why we sent our daughter to private school, so she would be forced to wear a uniform, go to class, comply with the rules on subject-verb agreement and polynomial multiplication etc. She managed to educate herself on fashion, makeup, and boys outside of school.
No way in h e double hockeysticks would I send my boys to a government school
They'd come back fat, medicated, autistic and wearing dresses or choosing a gay lifestyle.
Remember boys and girls, there are not Obama or Trump judges...except when there are, for political narrative purposes! Judges don't rule in a partisan manner...when they decide in favor of Democrat causes. Every Republican favoring decision is always and obviously politicized, bowing to the Orange Man's agenda. See Texas single judge district courts or the Fifth Circuit in its entirety.
Thanks for reminding everyone about the blue slip process. In blue states, most Republican district appointees are likely to be Democrat approved. I think someone recently recounted (Ed Whelan?) said that going ratio has often been 3 or 4 Democrat selections to get 1 Republican.
They do the same thing with USDAs.
When a Republican replaces them it's a moral panic and a "midnight firing". When a Democrat replaces them, its just his perogative.
What's a USDA?
I think he means US Attorneys.
Yes, thank you.
See, the taxonomy of judges who rule against Trump is:
1. Appointed by a Democrat: Commie traitor.
2. Appointed by a Republican: RINO Commie traitor.
3. Appointed by Trump: BlueSlip Commie traitor.
These people live in a complete epistemic bubble in which only the actions of MAGA cult members have any validity. Judges, prosecutors, investigators, jurors, must all be red cap wearers or they aren't legitimate.
Two can play this game:
The taxonomy of judges who ruled against Biden was:
1. Appointed by a Republican: far-right MAGA radical
2. Appointed by a Democrat: Just kidding. They didn't rule against him! Go team blue!
3. Appointed by Biden: Ibid, but now's a good time to remind you that Republicans are radicals!
These people live in a complete epistemic bubble in which anyone with an (R) who opposes them is assumed to be a MAGA cult member. Judges, lawyers, investigators, protestors, anyone who oppose them are engaged in a criminal conspiracy, insurgents, or both.
Can you explain why you think "Appointed by a Democrat", "Appointed by a Republican", and "Appointed by Trump" is relevant?
Turns out the Democrats were the ones throwing out the "norms" after all -- woulda think it!
What norms are you talking about, DWB?
Following the law, judicial restraint, at least pretending the press is not and arm of the DNC...
The only thing the Democrats still do as they've always done is violence -- it is their bread and butter.
So a ton of ipse dixit and crying media bias.
Keeping it simpleton!
Great contribution, Great Contribut0!
Maryland man and constituent have entered the chat...
In which "libertarian" squees with delight as effort by President to cut wasteful government spending is thwarted. Post is a tiresome, fundamentally unserious clown.
A serious person, if he is seriously committed to our constitutional order, should take delight in thwarting a president's usurpation of congress's power of the purse. Even if one assumes that cutting government spending is generally a desired outcome, the higher-priority concern is "who decides?" Preserving the balance of power between the branches of government is ultimately more important than the outcome of any single spending issue.
"power of the purse"
That refers to appropriations and especially taxation. Implementation is an executive function.
Do you think Congress legislated by name and amount that the Woonasquatucket River Watershed Council must get funds under the appropriation?
I do not think Congress legislated by name and amount that the Woonasquatucket River Watershed Council must get funds under the appropriation. However, that does not seem to be the legal issue in this case. It seems the issue is whether the president can summarily freeze ALL funding under the statutes in a single blanket edict. That is tantamount to nullifying legislation whole cloth and a refusal to faithfully execute the law. The judge's opinion suggests that if the executive had instead targeted individual expenditures through the procedure required under the APA, then we might have a different case. I think a serious, small-r republican should at least be skeptical, if not outright hostile, to sweeping policy changes made unilaterally by the executive, even if in the short term that power is being wielded in the direction of a favored policy outcome.
Do you care at all about whether Presidential efforts are legal or not?
Nope! I want to be ruled and controlled by a New Yorker.
I want to continue to be controlled by govies like Sarcastr0, they have demonstrated time and time again how good they are at steering and shaping society!
I mean look around, it's a regular Utopia and we have only gotten here because of the incremental increase in power the Administrative State has accumulated.
If you think the administrative state has gotten too powerful, you should want the courts to step in where the executive branch usurps a legislative function. That's what the administrative state largely is - the slow but significant shift of legislative power away from Congress and into executive agencies. If the courts back down and let the executive branch exercise unreviewable veto power over spending, you can expect the administrative state to grow a lot faster.
Hey, have you seen all those self-funded independent agencies that already are like you suggest?
Trump is using the power already ceded to these agencies to reform and reduce the power of the agencies. Not expand it.
We'll see, I guess. I'm not optimistic that he will reduce the power of the agencies. He doesn't have the constitutional authority to refuse to spend appropriated funds (in my opinion). So the agencies are ultimately going to spend just as much money.
Now I suppose you could argue if he changes the spending criteria, that's a step in the right direction - a democratically elected President exercising control over spending rather than agency lifers. But based on the track record in his first presidency and his actions to date, I wonder whether he has either the long term focus or expertise (or willingness to defer to the expertise of others) to implement a coherent long term vision for agency spending. He certainly hasn't articulated one. In addition, consider the needless pain and disruption caused by freezing funds that were already approved and planned for. Does that really suggest he wants to make the agencies work better, rather than just breaking stuff for the hell of it? To me it does not.
All that said, we're three months in. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
These monies being frozen were not appropriated by Congress to these grantees. But to the agencies. So he is just exerting authority over how these appropriated monies are being sent. Right now his posture is "Hey Congress, we don't need to spend this money, do you want it back?"
If Congress then says "No, you must spend it", I'm sure he'll find a way to spend it.
Further, he's cutting these agencies down to their Congressional minimums. How is that not a good thing? Or have you forgotten about these agencies he's merging and of reducing down to their nucleus?
>In addition, consider the needless pain and disruption caused by freezing funds that were already approved and planned for.
I'm not going to cry for many of these recipients whose work is wasteful, corrupt, or subversive in nature. Tough titty, I say to those.
>Does that really suggest he wants to make the agencies work better, rather than just breaking stuff for the hell of it? To me it does not.
Where did Trump say his position was to break agencies for the hell of it?
"usurps a legislative function"
If a specific decision to give a grant to a specific entity is not in the appropriation bill, why is the specific grant a legislative act?
Bob that's a great distinction that Trump attackers seem to not grasp.
"If a specific decision to give a grant to a specific entity is not in the appropriation bill, why is the specific grant a legislative act?"
It isn't. That's one reason why I'm uncomfortable with preliminary injunctions in spending cases. But if he refuses to spend he money at all, then he's usurping legislative power. He's also usurping legislative power if he imposes conditions on spending that are irreconcilable with Congress's directive as to how the money is to be spent (e.g., if Congress directs spending on renewable energy and he spends it on oil exploration). To date, we have no idea whether or how he's going to spend the funds he froze, so I don't think it's illegitimate for people to speculate that he's decided simply not to spend money where he disagrees with Congress's policy choices. Here's hoping he proves those people wrong.
He's also bound by the Administrative Procedure Act, as all presidents are. So when he yanks back funding that was already approved, he has to do so without violating the APA.
I have my doubts about the wisdom of these nationwide preliminary injunctions essentially requiring the government to spend money. But I don't think this critique is fair.
One can be a committed libertarian and yet still respect the separation of powers. Congress appropriates funds. Libertarians should vigorously advocate for Congress to spend less. But when Congress does make a spending decision, it doesn't necessarily follow that libertarians should support the executive branch usurping Congress and refusing to spend the appropriated funds. Libertarians have reason to support the rule of law, and the separation of powers, as checks on government power, even when it means some short term policy goal has to be sacrificed.
Yes, well, as we can readily see, there are precious few Libertarians even in the Reason comments section, where you might have expected to find a higher concentration of them than among the general population.
Eh, technically you could find a higher percentage of them than among the general population, and it still might not amount to a large percentage. And the Volokh comment section, even if hosted by Reason, isn't terribly representative of the comments in the rest of Reason.
But I think the real issue is that a rather large portion of real world libertarians have been watching the government violate both libertarian and constitutional principles, and treat the rule of law like toilet paper, for so long, that we're kind of burned out on it. If I got horribly upset every time I see the rule of law being violated, I'd have had a stroke by now.
From a perspective that doesn't automatically downplay how awful mainstream Presidents are, Trump looks like an incremental change, not a different sort of President. Until you look at the details.
And then you look at the details; He's not challenging Congressional appropriation authority in order to spend more, but instead to spend LESS. How rare is that? He's violating the APA to CUT regulations, not increase them. He's firing government employees. He hasn't started a war yet. He's radically cutting back on the government's censorship activities. He's reforming the BATF a bit. Not enough, but some.
OK, "liberalitarians" like Somin really, really hate the fact that he's genuinely trying to enforce our immigration laws. Well, fuck them, and I mean that sincerely. Mass migration into the US from far less libertarian societies is likely what killed our chances of making America more libertarian!
So, yeah, I'm not happy with the way that he's doing things, but when have I ever been? But for the most part he's actually trying to do the right things, and that's so refreshingly novel I can't get over it.
"...the Volokh comment section, even if hosted by Reason, isn't terribly representative of the comments in the rest of Reason."
True, thank the gods. Most of the rest of Reason's comment section is far more representative of the rat-shit-bonkers commentariat you find in The Hoff brothers' Gateway Pundit.
I liken it to a 4-chan training camp... "2-Chan"
And by that you mean that he's radically increasing the government's censorship activities.
he's genuinely trying to enforce our immigration laws.
Even if it means violating the Constitution,
Personally, I find precious few libertarians among the Volokh contributors, let alone the commenters. Certainly not Blackman or Bernstein. Really, Prof. Volokh is the only one with intellectual consistency and integrity. (Not to say that I don't often disagree with him, since I'm not a libertarian myself.)
Did Congress appropriate these funds directly to the grant recipients or to the agency that awarded the grant?
Congress appropriated the money to the agencies, to be awarded in accordance with the APA, which it was. Those grants can only be rescinded in accordance with the APA, which has not been done. So the rescission is illegal. The President has no authority to order agencies to ignore the APA, because it is the law, and he is required to see that the laws are faithfully executed.
" Those grants can only be rescinded in accordance with the APA"
Didn't SCOTUS just rule that the APA doesn't control freezing those grants?
I thought they ruled that (at least some) such claims would have to brought in the Court of Claims, not what the basis of the claims was or could be. Which opinion are you thinking of?
1) I don't think Prof. Post has ever called himself a libertarian.
2) Most libertarians tend to care about quaint notions like the rule of law. A president acting arbitrarily and capriciously is bad even if it leads to the outcome I like on some occasions.
3) There is no effort here to cut wasteful [sic] government spending.
How can you have Rule of Law when the judges are biased and the litigants can forum shop?
That Trump frequently loses is no more evidence than the judges are biased than the fact that the White Sox often lose is evidence that the umpires are biased.
What question were you answering? Not mine. That's for sure.
How can you have Rule of Law when the judges are biased and the litigants can forum shop?
Systemic bias, in which case actual bias doesn't need proven. Poor DJT being oppressed in such a fashion...
Whether or not they win on the merits is beyond me. I am utterly unconvinced by the 'irreparable harm' arguments, however. Funding is started and stopped all the time for thousands of other reasons. In every other case, government contractors and beneficiaries are told that if they win on the merits, they'll get repaid then, maybe with interest. In the mean time, tough noogies. I see nothing in these cases to differentiate from those precedents.
This is the same concern I have. Even if a particular contractor could show that its very existence is so fragile as to be threatened by a temporary spending freeze, this is a nationwide injunction. How can this judge possibly know that a spending freeze will cause irreparable harm to every affected contractor (or some large majority of them)? I suspect many contractors could be made whole with an award of damages.
This doesn't actually seem to be well addressed in the decision. The government argues that "even if Plaintiffs can claim some threat of harm, there is no reason why they cannot vindicate that threatened harm through individualized, specific lawsuits challenging particular funding denials." I can't see where the judge grapples with this argument at all in the decision even though it's probably true that many nonprofits might suffer irreparable harm.
FWIW, I think the decision is absolutely correct on the merits.
Groups of plaintiffs alleging the same harm by the same party(ies) based on the same nucleus of operative facts commonly join in a suit and receive the same remedy. Considerations of judicial economy and rule of law (ensuring that similar cases are decided similarly) favor that procedure.
If your objection is to the injunction benefitting non-plaintiffs, as the judge notes, universal injunctions are common. I don't recall anyone's objecting when the district court enjoined the Biden administration's eviction ban, or insisting that only the individual plaintiff landlords could benefit from the district court injunction.
I think that misstates the objections. Monetary payments (or lack thereof) are not "irreparable" in any other context. They are, on the contrary, usually considered quite easily repaired by making a subsequent payment, perhaps with interest.
The only even vaguely plausible argument you could make for a monetary payment being "irreparable" is if no other possible sources of funding are available to the entity being cut off and that even a temporary delay will result in people dying. That would be a quite extraordinary claim requiring an equally extraordinary and fact-specific finding. That's a poor fit for a class action or equivalent.
"Groups of plaintiffs alleging the same harm by the same party(ies) based on the same nucleus of operative facts commonly join in a suit and receive the same remedy."
Sure, in class action cases in which the party seeking relief jumps through all the Rule 23 hoops. This case wasn't brought as a class action and the judge didn't evaluate it under Rule 23. As for whether the rule of law favors major legal issues being decided at the preliminary injunction stage without any discovery, presentation of evidence, etc., by a single judge, in a jurisdiction chosen by the plaintiff, I'd say that is rarely an approach that best supports the rule of law.
"as the judge notes, universal injunctions are common"
Universal injunctions are not common (although they're not as rare as they should be, in my view) and there's nothing in the opinion describing them as common. Rather, the judge noted that they have their place, that the Supreme Court as a whole hasn't opined about universal injunctions one way or the other, and that several justices have expressed skepticism. (See Opinion 57-60.)
As far as the comparison to Biden's eviction ban case, I'm sure there are plenty of people on both sides who have switched positions and that some, or maybe most, of them are hypocrites. But that wasn't a case in which the court was ordering the US government to spend money. Parties claiming they are entitled to money would always rather have it sooner than later. Yet it is extremely rare for a judge to order the payment of money as preliminary injunctive relief.
You are raising two separate issues. I wasn't discussing "adequacy of monetary damages" question, only the universal injunction. As you note, there is a good bit of hypocrisy among the commenters (and probably by some of the Conspirators) on this latter issue.
He is not necessarily against the government effort to stop 'waste', nor is the judge. He is against the government doing so outside the bounds of the law.
Any other position is Machievellian.
Trump IS the law! He has immunity and can do whatever he wants to whomever he wants. Because he owns the libs and immigrants and stupid elite scientists.
Why it seems to matter not at all to his supporters is a mystery I doubt I'll ever quite fathom.
Because they're authoritarians comfortable with a dictator in power provided he's a dictator they support. and they believe that what Dear Leader does is inherently right and lawful.
Pen and a phone.
(I actually objected back then, which is why I also have qualms today.)
If you objected, you don't understand what Obama was actually saying.
There is nothing fundamentally problematic about legal executive actions, nor is there an issue with Presidents picking up their phones working on their policies with Congress.
Trump, notably, is not doing either.
Yeah, but in Trump['s defence, he doesn't wear tan suits
Of course I understood what Obama was saying.
He said he did not have the legal authority to implement something like DACA, but then he implemented DACA.
The gaslighting continues to be ongoing...
You demonstrate that you don't know what he was saying, or what he did.
I would encourage you to look up, and compare and contrast the DREAM Act and DACA.
More gaslighting.
Or rather, it's always nuance and distinction for Democrats, because it's (D)ifferent.
Anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid or malevolent.
If you want to call me a liar, do so.
Don't misuse some trendy term.
Ok. Liar. Komment Karenning Liar.
How many and what proportion of Obama's EOs were successfully challenged - at any level - in court?
That's the relevant issue.
FWIW Obama issued fewer EOs per annum than any president since Cleveland.
Have you actually checked the appeals court score card recently? Because a bunch of district court judges perhaps exceeding their authority doesn't make this the unprecedented circumstances you think it is.
(Almost certainly some of what Trump is doing is beyond the law, but that becomes obscured by alleging that EVERYTHING is. Rule by executive order fiat has been the bread and butter of Democrats for years now, so I refuse to be outraged that the tables have turned. Even as I am bothered by it again. Cause and effect misunderstood.)
This is textbook confirmation bias.
You're paying attention to the lawsuits, so you only see the stuff people are yelling about. To be fair, that's a lot.
But like Trump is going to remake the FAR. He's using standard coordination to do it, so no one is mad about it.
Did anyone sue about his pardons? Shitty, but legal.
You are adopting the MAGA view and don't realize it.
Another bad faith reply.
My point was not to say either side was "winning". It was the valid assertion that some of the district court "wins" people like Post are pointing to have been overturned on appeal. Several of which disputing the "likely to win on the merits". There are people tracking the lawsuits, which is what I've followed. Post's point was that these early lawsuit wins are "proof" of his lawlessness. They are not. My only point. Perhaps one too subtle for some.
But yes, I'm definitely dumb enough to adopt a MAGA talking point but not realize it. I guess that's how someone like you tries to discredit someone who is not MAGA, but will not reflexively adopt The Resistance™ worldview.
You talked about alleging that EVERYTHING Trump does is against the law.
That is not what is happening.
If your objection is reading too much into a district court holding, you're coming in way too hot.
I didn't say a MAGA talking point, I said MAGA view. A better way to put it might have been MAGA framing. And I didn't say it to insult you - they get me all the time as well; reductive or fallacious framing is their bread and butter.
I talked about EVERYTHING Trump does being against the law, because that's exactly how people like Post and Somin talk about it.
Now of course not EVERYTHING he does is against the law, because that's an impossibility. As soon as he does one thing legal, that is disproven. Which is my objection to your apologist schtick, because you apply conflicting standards according to whether someone is on your side or not. You're doing it to me right now, trying to pretend my critique has no merit.
You do this Bellmore, dismissing him making a fair point as "Brettlaw" (elsewhere in these comments here). Sure, he may not always be right. But you can't ever acknowledge the truth or consistency in in position, because you can't bring yourself to agree with him. Possibly because you think he's a bad person. And one can never agree with a bad person, even when they're right about something.
I watched Dan Turrentine on the 2way Morning Meeting this morning lament that Democrats won't abandon their everything that Trump does is evil playbook. It's not my imagination that his opponents talk like this, no matter how much you try and gaslight me.
Just like someone in this comment section pretended that Republicans were *only* critical of Obama wearing the tan suit, as if it was style but not substance. How many Orange Man bad spray on tan insults must we endure, pretending only one side does such things?
Just like someone in this comment section pretended that Republicans were *only* critical of Obama wearing the tan suit, as if it was style but not substance.
The point of my tan suit comment was to remind people how insanely irrational the right wing was wrt Obama based on no substance at all.
Meanwhile the cultists seem to think that much of the criticism of Trump is ungrounded, based on personal aversion to his governing style, not the substance.
The Democrats are claiming, entirely seriously that Trump is a threat to Democracy and a fascist.
Re:tan suit
There was like one or two Fox commenters noticing the suit bit then a year of Democrats making a big deal of the criticism.
Most people didn't give a shit about his clothes, only his foreign ideals and subversive agenda.
"There was like one or two Fox commenters noticing the suit bit then a year of Democrats making a big deal of the criticism."
That makes it the entire right wing according to simpletons.
Right. With the requisite headlines of "Republicans pounce!"
But look, now we can see why they do it. There's a non-trivial sized population that believes half the country was in a full-on, months long moral panic and hysterical over Jughead's choice of attire.
Interestingly enough, this set of people has extreme overlap with the set of people who were in a full on moral panic and hysterical over masking and social distance and vaccination, tyrannically so, but today can't seem to remember Dancing Tik Tok Nurses, or 1000s of empty medical tents, or unused hospital ships, or even their demands to take children away from parents, or even imprison those who refused to be a Big Pharma guinea pig.
Similar statements are attributed to the entire "Left" by many RWer's, including several of the regulars here.
Good thing you were here to correct his thinking more towards the legal, approved narrative. Without your patriot-shaming how would he know when to self-censor and when we should express his opinion??
I've got a lot of people who owe me money. I just threaten letters and take breach of contract actions. What a sucker I have been.
I just need to allege that I really need these funds and get an unappealable TRO and get paid quickly. Profit.
Maybe so, if there's an amendment to the US Constitution that says the validity of those debts shall not be questioned.
Of course whether or not there is an actual debt can be questioned. And it is done through non-emergency means. Once there is a debt it is valid and enforceable through normal channels of process. Not an unappealable TRO.
Maybe so (again!) if public debt behaves just like private debt,
but that conclusion requires justification. The Constitution often restricts the government's behavior in ways that it does not restrict private parties.
It's not a "debt" until after the goods or services are delivered. Per the terms of the respective contracts, sometimes not a collectible debt until a lot afterward. So with a very few exceptions, that clause is not triggered.
I mean, filing lawsuits is a pretty orthodox way to get people to give you money that they owe you.
Through TROs? That's a pretty orthodox way to get money? I need to go back to law school.
Yeah, my comment was dumber than I thought when I originally made it.
"pretty orthodox way"
Suits for damages yes, not injunction actions.
Either I overlooked the part about “breach of contract actions” in the original comment before I posted or wvattorney13 edited it in later. Zinger withdrawn.
Yup, and when you win on the merits, you get repaid, maybe with interest.
The opinion addresses this in its thorough and careful Tucker Act analysis. The District Court foumd that the claims made in this suit are not in their essence contract claims. The plaintiffs are claiming that they experienced injuries not because the defendent federal agencies breached the terms of a contract, but because they failed to follow the terms of their Congressional mandate. In addition, the plaintiffs are seeking prospective injunctive relief, not money damages. That this relief will result in their having access to money is, as the District Court notes, merely incidental.
A contract claim or a claim for payment of an ordinary debt has none of these features.
"That this relief will result in their having access to money is, as the District Court notes, merely incidental."
Ha ha. You'll agree with anything so long as its anti-Trump.
The problem is that the Supreme Court already rejected a substantively identical argument.
The decision does at least attempt to distinguish by saying that states can probably wait to get paid back whereas these small nonprofits might go out of business in the meantime.
And the thing is, this isn't incidental. It's how Trump ran his businesses: "Yes, this contract says I owe you $500,000. But I'm only going to pay you $350,000. Take it or leave it. If you don't take it, you'll get nothing. Sure, you can sue me, and you may well win. But that could take years, and your business can't survive the prospect of foregoing $350,000 now for the promise of $500,000 in 2 years. So you've got no choice."
Which is why very few people will extend credit to the Trump organization. Maybe some rube contractors outside NYC, but even rubes learn in time.
A brilliant business maneuver, according to some.
Mob behavior, to others.
I don’t understand why you would think Mr. Trump’s supporters would see a problem.
As one of the great leaders Trump admires so much phrased it in very nice French. “L’etat, c’est moi!”
So what’s the problem? In what way is Mr. Trump failing to execute the laws of the United States? I think a fair, neutral observer would have to acknowledge he is executing his laws (Les Etats Unis? Ce sont soi!) quite efficiently, and doing quite well at overcoming obstacles that various anti-American institutions seeking to thwart his laws, like the judiciary, are throwing up in the path of his executing them.
He has made it quite clear that so far as the United States is concerned, the previous administration was a bunch of criminals who will all be deported to El Salvadoran gulags as soon as Mr. Trump has consolidated enough power to be able to set things right. Why should the United States pay any attention to these criminals’ ravings?
Yeah, another judicial-caused speed bump. To Circuit court this goes.
One way or the other, those funds will not go out the door.
Yeah! Who needs government anyway? What’s it ever done for me?
Gave you cancer? A chronic disease? Made you poorer, while making themselves richer? Groomed your child? Broke up your family? Banned your stove? Forced you into medical experiments against your will? Censored you? Browned up your community? Jacked up your healthcare costs? Gave you a mental illness? Punished you for your success? Debanked or deplatformed you? Poisoned your food? Laced your water with chemicals that make your children stupider or gay?
Exactly! Stupid government. We should put all power in the hands of one man with immunity so we don’t have those problems of overreach! And it should be a New Yorker.
Objectively, and empirically, "Stupid government" is a factual statement.
Why do you worship institutions that constantly fail you?
Who would you rather govern you? A man accountable to the voters, or a bunch of faceless Sarcastr0's accountable to no one in a meritless bureaucracy?
In what way is Trump "accountable to the voters"?
In America we have these things called "elections".
In China, where you're from, your leaders are appointed by a secret committee.
What election do you think Trump is going to be running in?
Oh my bad, I had forgotten that in America incumbent 2nd term President's were lawless, unaccountable dictators since they can't run for a second term!
Great argument, David Notimportant.
I would retort that there's many things you've forgotten, but that would likely be inaccurate as you probably just never knew them: lame duck presidents are, by definition, not accountable to voters. Whether they act lawlessly is a reflection of their character, not their accountability to voters; that's why Trump's every act is lawless.
They may be accountable to Congress, but not to voters. But before you triumphantly say, "Aha!", judges and other federal employees are also accountable to Congress.
They won't vote for his third term!
How many Amurican Servicemen have been killed in "45/47" 4+ years?? How about during LBJ's 5+? "W" and Barry Osama's 8 apiece? 4 years of Parkinsonian Joe?
And even though I-ANAL, like a true Shyster, I already know the answer to my question,
Frank
Um. You did not mention Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, or either Bush.
Just recently, four died in Lithuania? Trump was playing golf when they returned.
So what?
"four died in Lithuania"
He said killed, not dying in an accident.
But yeah, so what? Who cares about soldiers on active duty dying in an accident. Suckers. What was in it for them?
Usually things like cancer or Lithuanian swamp mud are said to have killed the person, Bob.
>nor do they have unfettered power to hamstring in perpetuity two statutes passed by Congress during the previous administration.
...nor do they have the power to hamstring the previous President's policy perogatives either... apparently.
Pretending that Congress doesn’t exist again, aren’t we? Congress is the body the Constitution assigns the job of setting domestic policy to. The President’s job is to execute Congress’ policies, which he utterly failed to do here. He can try to persuade Congress to change its policies. But if he can’t, he has no right to barge in on Congress and try to implement policies of his own. His own policy ideas aren’t worth shit. Nobody cares a fuck about them. If he doesn’t like and isn’t willing to execute Congress’ policies, he shouldn’t take the job. He has no right to take the job the People assigned him and then run off, ignore it, and waste the People’s time thinking he can do his own thing instead of doing his bosses’. He’s being an insolent insubordinate prima donna asshole who badly needs to be put in his place and shown who’s boss if he wants to be permitted to remain part of the team.
Mass immigration via a new refugee class. the "economic refugee", was Congressional policy that Biden was implementing?
Forgiving student loans were Congressional policy that Biden was implementing?
Congress said "stick $20B in account at Citibank for my friends who just started up these green NGOs so the next President can't do anything with it", or was that a Biden policy?
Congress mandated DEI at West Point and other institutions? Or was that Biden's domestic policy?
Libertarian for juristocracy.
And for spending more government money.
"Arbitrary and capricious" is the new "improper animus". Judicial tea leaf or chicken bone rolling.
If Congress named these recipients and award amounts with no caveats or qualifications then its indisputable that Trump can't clawback these appropriation.
I don't think that many of these cases fall under anything close to that.
Trump has disputed that!
Do tell! Which of these organizations was named by Congress as recipient of a grant?
Is English your first language?
The Supreme Court has already said this is not an APA type claim; it belongs in claims court. Once again... this will be thrown out for lack of jurisdiction.
Also, did anyone actually read the statute? Spending is "up to" an amount. Early Presidents spent less and returned the money.
But don't let facts get in the way of some serious Trump Derangement.
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Judge McElroy discusses this on pages 33 and 34 of the order. I don’t find the analysis especially persuasive.
Its incomprehensible and full of double and triplespeak. The SC could not possibly have been more clear: APA’s waiver of sovereign immunity does not apply to claims seeking money
damages. Period.
"Why it seems to matter not at all to his supporters is a mystery I doubt I'll ever quite fathom."--I would think Blackman or Bernstein would be your best source there. Or maybe Glenn Reynolds. Don't you know those guys? Call and ask them.
Ha! All the recent rulings gutting the powers and authorities of agencies and the administrative state that you hayseeds have been jubilant over just came back to bite you in the butt. Irony
Rev.?! Is that you?!
Judge McElroy give it away in paragraph 4:
"Still unable to access their funds following other court orders, six nonprofits sued several federal agencies..."
"Their funds"?! That's what the whole case is about, and she's already decided it by paragraph 4.
There's also zero need for a nationwide injunction here. Limiting relief only to the plaintiffs could have been done easily, but that's not how the Resistance rolls.
From Page 8: "The record shows that agencies were generally effective in administering these funds for several years following the IIJA and the IRA’s passages."
WTF? The IRA and IIJA were passed in 2021 and 2022.
2021 and 2022 are several years ago.