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The Laken Riley Act is Unjust - and a Trojan Horse
The act doesn't target violent criminals and sex offenders, and is likely to harm innocent people and divert resources from genuine anti-crime efforts. It also makes it easier for state governments to try to impede legal immigration.

Yesterday, the House of Representatives passed the Laken Riley Act (LRA), in a 264-159 vote. This legislation - named after a student killed by an undocumented immigrant - is often sold by proponents as a tool for combatting murderers and sex offenders. In reality, it focuses on detaining undocumented immigrants charged with theft-related crimes, including minor ones. It also includes a Trojan horse provision making it easier for states to challenge a variety of programs that make legal migration easier. These policies are unjust, and likely to impede genuine crime-fighting efforts more than they help them.
The main provision of the Laken Riley Act requires mandatory federal detention of any undocumented immigrant who "is charged with, is arrested for, is convicted of, admits having committed, or admits committing acts which constitute the essential elements of any burglary, theft, larceny, or shoplifting offense." Notice that the provision is triggered by a mere arrest or charge, and does not require any proof of guilt beyond that. Moreover, even the most minor forms of theft, burglary, or shoplifting qualify. If a migrant is arrested on suspicion of stealing a dime or a paperclip from a store, that's enough to trigger mandatory detention. Ditto if he or she is charged with even the most minor theft-related offense.
Pretrial detention is already overused, even when it comes to US citizens. Forcibly detaining people who have never been tried or convicted of any crime is presumptively unjust, and should only be resorted to when it is the only way to prevent some grave threat to public safety, as in the case of suspected serial killers or terrorists. The whole point of requiring trial and conviction before imprisoning people is to ensure that only those actually guilty of crimes are subject to such severe punishment. Making pretrial detention mandatory for a large population for arrests and charges for even the most minor theft-related crimes only makes the injustice worse.
Moreover, detention is expensive. Federal immigration detention currently costs an estimate $165 per day per detainee, and that doesn't count the costs of taking people out of the workforce. Those funds can be put to better crime-fighting use by, for example, putting more police on the streets, a strategy with demonstrated crime-reducing effects. Spending them on detention of migrants arrested or charged with even minor theft-related crimes is a waste. As my Cato Institute colleague and immigration policy expert David Bier notes, the first Trump administration's efforts to detain and deport nonviolent asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants predictably diverted resources from combating serious crime. If enacted, the Laken Riley Act will likely have a similar effect.
Moreover, the Laken Riley Act creates perverse incentives for state and local police and prosecutors. Normally, they are reluctant to arrest and charge people when there is little chance of securing a conviction. But under the LRA, a bogus arrest or indictment of an undocumented immigrant on a theft-related offense leads to mandatory detention paid for by the feds - not the state and local governments themselves. And such detention occurs even if the target is never convicted of anything. This could well incentivize officials with nativist sentiments (or those catering to such sentiments) to make dubious arrest and charging decisions. After all, the feds will foot the bill!
To be sure, a person suspected of even minor theft might, if released until trial, commit more serious crimes. Detaining such people will prevent at least a few more serious offenses. But by that reasoning, we should preemptively detain anyone who is suspected of even the most minor offense. There is always a small chance they might otherwise commit murder, rape, or assault.
For fairly obvious reasons, such preemptive mass detention would be gravely unjust. It would also actually undermine crime-fighting efforts by diverting resources from more effective strategies. And that is even more true for mass detention policies that target undocumented immigrants, who have significantly lower violent crime rates than native-born citizens.
Elsewhere, I have argued that migrants who commit crimes should get the same punishment as natives, not the more severe additional punishment of deportation. Governments can and should severely punish people who commit crimes of violence and theft. But no one should get extra punishment merely because of an arbitrary circumstance of birth. That position is one of my more unpopular views. But even if you don't accept it anything likely fully, you should at least consider whether it's just to have preemptive mass detention of undocumented migrants arrested or charged for very minor crimes - even in cases where the evidence against them is weak and the underlying crime would not normally result in a prison sentence upon conviction.
The LRA also includes a provision unrelated to any kind of violent crime or even theft, that gives state attorneys general standing to challenge in federal court any supposed violation of the requirement "that parole [for immigrants] solely be granted on a case-by-case basis and solely for urgent humanitarian reasons or a significant public benefit," so long as the state or its residents suffer any "harm" as a result, "including financial harm in excess of $100." There is a similar provision giving state AGs standing to challenge grants of other types of visas.
The goal of this provision is to make it easier for states to challenge federal programs that grant visas or parole (temporary legal entry, employment, and residency in the US), such as the Biden Administration CHNV program for people fleeing horrific violence and oppression in four Latin American nations (including three ruled by brutal socialist dictatorships). Last year, a conservative federal judge ruled against a lawsuit brought against the program by a coalition of red states, on the ground that the latter lacked standing due to not having suffered the requisite "harm" because of the program.
The LRA would make it much easier to get such standing. The requirement of $100 in financial harm can almost always be met, especially since the statute doesn't require a showing of net harmful effects. If a parole or visa program cost the state or one of its residents $101 on one occasion, that's enough, even if the state and its private sector actually derived large net benefits from the program, such as increased tax revenue and economic growth.
As a longtime critic of restrictive standing rules (at least as a constitutional matter), I am actually somewhat ambivalent about this provision. But, on balance, I oppose asymmetrical reduction in standing requirements that makes it easier for states to challenge federal policies that make legal migration easier, but not those that aim for the opposite effect. If we are going to reduce state standing requirements for challenges to immigration policies, we should at least do it for both sides.
It is possible that courts will strike down the standing provisions of the LRA. The Supreme Court has ruled (wrongly in my view) that "harm" and other standing requirements are constitutional rules that cannot be overridden by statute. If federal judges conclude that the LRA state standing rule lowers standing requirements below constitutional minimums (as defined by the courts), it might be invalidated.
Standing doctrine is vague and fuzzy enough that I'm honestly not sure what will happen if this issue gets to court. In recent years, the Supreme Court has been relatively restrictive on state standing, including in immigration cases. But the relevant precedent is far from a model of clarity.
In sum, the Laken Riley Act is unjust and likely to undermine efforts to combat serious crime. It also includes Trojan horse provisions intended to make it easier for state governments to pursue lawsuits to block various types of legal migration.
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Ilya glibly substitutes "migrant" for "illegal alien".
He's been doing that for years.
You know somebody is dishonest about immigration if they insist on calling illegal aliens ("Illegal alien" is literally the legal term in the statues.) "undocumented", and of course Ilya does that routinely.
I just think it's interesting that he's moved on from "leave them alone because they're more law abiding than natives" to "leave them alone even if they turn out not to be law abiding". I suppose the next step is "don't you dare deport them after their sentences are done".
That's like saying "undocumented withdrawals" for bank robberies.
Well we had an election and this is one of the major issues the election was decided on.
It looks like there are at least 7-8 democratic senators on board too, including Ruben Gallego, if you've lost Gallego on this issue, then you've lost.
I think Prof. Somin has made his opinion of elections very clear.
Yes, when they go his way its because of rational ignorance.
When they don't go his way its irrational ignorance.
And I would agree with that, when looking at it from my perspective, but not his.
Somin treats Trump has a criminal, even though he has never been convicted of anything, and yet he calls illegal alien shoplifters innocent.
If you've already committed one crime, you ought to not commit others. Including shoplifting...
You mean, other than falsifying business records.
Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on Friday. If that happens, then he will be a convicted felon until an appeals court reverses it.
IS is the Professor Wooderson was talking about in "Dazed & Confused"
So it targets illegal aliens who have committed other crimes while in the USA? Sounds good to me.
No. Did you read the post? It targets illegal aliens who have been accused of other crimes.
Are you sure you're a lawyer?
Here's the text of the act. You'd think a law professor would provide a link to the actual law, rather than just hostile popular accounts concerning it.
So, the law applies to illegal aliens, check.
In cases where they've been charged with, arrested for, convicted of, have confessed to, committing any act which "constitute the essential elements of any burglary, theft, larceny, or shoplifting offense." Check.
The Secretary of Homeland Security will issue a detainer, and if they are not otherwise detailed, will take custody. Check.
The state attorney general or other authorized officer may bring an action to mandate compliance by the Secretary of Homeland Security, with minimal standing requirements, and expedited review. Scratch sovereign immunity, Congress has just waived it. Check.
I'm curious why it's limited to property crimes; Is there already a similar mandate for violent crimes? Looking into it, yes, the law already included crimes of 'moral turpitude', this just extends that to property crimes, and adds guarantees of enforcement.
The key elements are that it only applies to people who are legally deportable in the first place, and hence simply have no legal right to be left alone. And so they actually have no legal basis for a complaint if they're detained. It mandates that they be taken into custody, and provides for state officials to force this legally if the administration doesn't want to.
Why, it's almost as though, after the last four years, Congress doesn't trust Presidents to voluntarily enforce immigration laws!
I wonder if Laken Riley would be alive today if the subhuman slime that killed her had been subject to this law? Sounds not unjust to me.
as new Great Grandfather Parkinsonian Joe said in his (Thank J-hova) Last State of the Onion last year, "Lincoln Riley" would probably just have been raped/murdered by a "Legal" in fact, we need more Ill-legals to do the Rapes/Murders Amuricans won't do.
Trying to impugn any motives to laws is shaky enough. You've missed the mark on this one.
I always thought the point of pre-trial detention was to make sure they showed up for a trial, and it seems to me that anyone who crosses a border illegally, and then is accused of committing further crimes, has proven themselves a flight risk and someone who doesn't care much about showing up for trial.
As for this...
First, how often is anyone charged with stealing a dime or paperclip? Hyperbolic strawmen don't really help your cause.
Second, why do you add "minor theft-related offense" as if stealing a dime or paperclip were not a "minor theft-related offense"? Trying to pretend that stealing a dime or paperclip is not a "minor theft-related offense" is just plain stupid.
Third, isn't one of your themes that illegal immigrants are notoriously scrupulous about being law-abiding because they fer getting caught? Why would they be stealing dimes and paperclips?
I'd love to have practical open borders. Until you recognize that enticing scum with welfare and DAs who refuse to prosecute real actual shoplifting, and flying in refugees who didn't choose to be here and don't like the residents, you're just wasting your time trying to pretend you know how to fix the problems.
Just occurred to me that I have never seen a single complaint from Ilya about still holding some j6ers in jail for several years for misdemeanor trespassing charges, whose trials are still pending. Ilya, if you actually had any principled opposition to pre-trial detention for "minor theft-related offenses", surely you'd extend that to identifiable and findable US citizens who are not a flight risk and not a grave danger to public safety.
Ilya doesn't.
Stupid Government Tricks, can you name a single January 6 defendant, charged only with misdemeanor trespassing, who has been jailed "for several years" while awaiting trial?
Please name names or, in the alternative, man up and admit you are talking out your ass.
Still waiting, Stupid Government Tricks.
OK, NG, give the names of ALL of the Jan 6ths whom you consider to have been duly convicted.
What? You are relying on the media reports of others?
Well, so is SGT...
It would be one thing if Meritless Garland were to come out and say that there were no such persons -- and if there weren't, he would.
What
Exactly what I wrote -- unless you are going to personally name each and every conviction, do not ask others to personally report every pretrial detention.
Not guilty didn’t ask for every “ defendant, charged only with misdemeanor trespassing, who has been jailed ‘for several years’ while awaiting trial”—he asked for one. Because he doesn’t think that there are any such people. (I share his skepticism.) If you think there are, this is a pretty easy opportunity to prove us wrong and make us look as foolish as you usually are. Go for it!
Who said they were? Once again: this law applies to those accused of doing these things, not merely people convicted of doing those things.
Pre-trial detainment is not unheard of, except perhaps to you. Does "bail" ring a bell?
Clowns think it's terribly unfair to lock up suspects, subject to due process, who are already characterized by illegally evading the authorities in order to go somewhere they want to illegally go.
Clowns also post harassing messages in the middle of the night, angrily demanding answers to their asymmetric demands for rigor.
Yeah; it's the think that the anti-liberty right both misunderstands (as you do) and hates (when properly understood). The purpose of bail is to allow people to get out of jail before trial. Not to keep people in jail.
Technically, the purpose of bail is to give people an incentive not to flee once they've been allowed out of jail. You could allow them out of jail without doing anything to keep them from fleeing, after all, you don't need bail to do that.
The problem is that these are people who have an incentive to flee regardless of whether they're actually guilty of the crime, because they're subject to deportation regardless of whether they're guilty of the crime. So they are all extreme flight risks.
Not in my state. A) We don't cooperate with the feds/ICE and B) the Feds can't make our state and local LEO/jail staff cooperate with them under the anti-commandeering principles of the 10th amendment C) We eliminated cash bail for these petty offenses and they can't be detained under state law except in rare circumstances but even if they meet one of those rare exceptions see A.
You're not contradicting that they're extreme flight risks, you're just establishing that you're complicit in their flight.
"Who said they were? Once again: this law applies to those accused of doing these things, not merely people convicted of doing those things."
Timothy McVeigh got caught driving a vehicle without license plates on it -- he well might have gotten away if he hadn't broken the little law. Illegal aliens are criminals who ought not be attracting attention to themselves.
And say that McVeigh's license plate had fallen off or been stolen.
Should he have not been held for the other crime?
And, again, it only applies to people who'd be subject to detention and deportation even if perfectly innocent of stealing a paper clip, because it only applies to deportable aliens.
Rather than imposing some special penalty for a trivial crime, it's a mandate that the government MUST, if these people come to its attention, without any exercise of discretion, do what it was already legally supposed to be doing.
That's the element here Somin is eliding. Everybody subject to this law is ALREADY supposed to be detained and deported if they're discovered. The law simply makes sure that the feds can't blow that legal obligation off.
In principle, deporting non-citizens who commit significant crimes is not reasonable, and it doesn't even matter if they're here legally: they were admitted under an implicit condition of good behavior.
But there are a lot of red flags, problems, and unintended consequences here.
1. Present red flag: I'm presumptively against any law named after a crime victim. It's an attempt to substitute an emotional response for policy debate, which in turn is a sign the sponsors have something in there they don't want you to think too hard about.
2. Potential red flag: The presumption against victim-name bills turns into a hard no if the supporters start suggesting that opponents hated or didn't care about the named victim. That's a sure sign that the supporters are aggressively dishonest people willing to use smear tactics, are projecting their own character faults, and are insincere about their own motivations.
3. Problem: I'm against the continual federalizing of ordinary intrastate crime. While I understand that technically, this is all triggered by a violation of federal immigration law, the feds shouldn't meddle in how states handle shoplifting or deciding what intrastate crimes need pretrial detention.
4. Problem: Taking the suspect off to some distant federal center vastly increases the difficulty, delay, and cost of holding the state law hearings about simple theft cases. If it's not already in the law, it should be amended to make the feds cover all the transportation costs and to guarantee they'll bring detainees to state court hearings promptly when requested and without pushback.
5. Problem: This whole cowardly business about effectively delegating legislation to lawyers through enabling lawsuits. If you want to repeal some federal law or executive order, then repeal it with a bill in Congress. If you want to ensure enforcement of some federal law, be straightforward and pass a law including consequences for inaction. Don't delegate this to state attorney generals and federal judges, you cowards.
5. Unintended consequence: Some officers, when faced with cases in which arresting a shoplifter will lead to a bunch of parentless children out on the streets, will just decide to not make the arrest.
6. Unintended consequence: State courts often require convicts to pay reparations to victims, including theft victims; furthermore, some crimes really do deserve a prison sentence. By making state court prosecutions difficult and costly, and quite likely pre-empted by a deportation (and I believe that lots of pre-emption is part of the intent of the sponsors) both the reparations and the prison sentence get short-circuited.
3. Is this really what the law does?
Doesn't this law hinge on immigration status?
5. Doesn't this speak against the law dealing with trivialties? And how is this any different from so many DAs refusing to enforce shoplifting laws?
6. The US legal system is already difficult and costly.
I think you left out one or two red flags, possibly as a result of not reading the bill. For example:
"Congress finds that the Nation—
(1) mourns the devastating loss of Laken Riley and other victims of the Biden administration’s open borders policies; [. . .]"
My attitude is that the Feds have a duty to ship the criminal home, particularly since the state can't.
I agree with most of your points, other than part of one in 5(a) [you accidentally have two #5s]. I don't see the need for a Congressional bill to counteract an executive action. If Biden did something by Ex. Act, then I think Trump should be able to undo it also by EA. And the next prez should be able to under any EAs done by Trump, also via EA.
Similarly, any bill should be able to be "overruled" only by another bill (or constitutional amendment) Any Const. Amend. should be able to be overruled by another Amendment. Etc.
Actually that is why we need Congress to act, because those dueling executive actions usurp Congress' Article1 prerogative to make the law, its the President's duty to faithfully execute Congress' will.
Trojan Horse, eh ? What was that about ?
Something about being deceived into pulling down the walls that protect your people, and letting in violent men bent on destroying your city IIRC 🙂
Beware dead metaphors, when you bring them back to life, they enjoy biting you in the ass.
"Moreover, detention is expensive. Federal immigration detention currently costs an estimate $165 per day per detainee, and that doesn't count the costs of taking people out of the workforce. Those funds can be put to better crime-fighting use. . ."
I don't believe the plan is to increase the budget to accommodate additional detainees, but rather to reduce conditions to match the budget. If the worst of it happens in the 5th Circuit they might be able to get away with a lot for quite some time.
Just establish Sheriff Arpaio style prisons. Military tents, cots, blankets, basic fare( cold cereal for breakfast, soup and sandwich for lunch and stew for dinner) and zero unnecessary amenities beyond the bare minimum. Place them on the border so when deportation occurs it's quick and easy.
Or have the prisoners prepare the food and set a base budget for the food. (You'd be surprised at how much your menu costs relative to the raw materials of prepared meals.)
Y'all keep jerking off like this you'll go blind, the (I'd call him a piece of Shit, but that wouldn't be fair to Shit) Ill-Legal Alien who raped and murdered Laken Riley (Fuck Joe Biden couldn't even get her name right, calling her "Lincoln Riley") should have had his wetback ass kicked back to San Salvador or Honduras, or wherever the fuck he came from the first time he was caught, instead of being flown to NYC (Delta Airlines! hey, I own their stock) given an Osama Phone, then flown to Atlanta (Delta again) before his final crimes (big mistake, if he'd raped/murdered a Student Nurse in Manhattan he'd be the next Floyd George)
and get this, we have the Death Penalty in Jaw-Jaw, and the DA isn't asking for it, because the murder happened in Athens, which is as close as Berkley or Austin as you get in Jaw-Jaw.
and you can't even count on the Prisoners to carry out the Death Penalty, because he's a Gang Member and gets protections Ilya wouldn't (last time I checked, not many Jewish Lawyers in Jaw-Jaw Prisons)
and I know, if you deport them they'll just come back, that's where Greenland comes in, "relocate" every Ill-legal there, I believe if they save their breath men like them could manage to survive there.
Frank
You know, Greenland would make a lovely Devil's Island.
For ALL our criminals.
Brilliant idea! Maybe that’s Trump’s plan.
Those committed MAGA followers Senators Ruben Gallapagos and Stuttering John Fetterman (my favorite DemoKKKrat Senator now that Kristen Semen-a is gone) co-sponsored the Bill. GFYIS
Frank
How does the 10th Amendment permit the federal government to order state officials to detain illegal immigrants? Wasn’t the whole point of Printz v. United States that the federal government cannot order state officials to enforce federal law? Why should the fact that illegal aliens are involved make any difference?
How does New York have the right to request the extradition of a perp from Pennsylvania? Same thing.
It is not, in fact the same thing,
Because the constitution expressly says that New York has "the right to request the extradition of a perp from Pennsylvania." So, no, not "Same thing," you utter ignoramus.
I don’t seem to be able to find the word “perp” in the Constitution. Is there something wrong with my search software?
I believe so. It appears to be autistic.
The Constitution also says that: "...the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance [of the Constitution]... shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
Different section but same document.
The bill doesn’t order state officials to do anything. Rather, it orders the Secretary of Homeland security to take custody (and detain) the immigrants if the state authorities were otherwise going to release them.
The catch being that the state authorities aren't actually required to notify the SoHS that they're going to release them. I believe there's another bill in the pipeline to establish that any jurisdiction which does this is ineligible for federal law enforcement grants.
I'd play hardball and prohibit such states from accessing the NCIC database which is maintained by the FBI.
However, as every release technically is ordered by a "judge" and the Constitution states that "the Judges in every State shall be bound" by any Federal law made pursuant to the Constitution, a law requiring notification *is* Constitutional.
So federal officials are instructed to issue a detainer when they are notified by state officials. But state officials, per Printz, are under no obligation to do anything? They don’t have to notify the feds of anything, and they can throw the detainer in the trash can?
Pretty much, although I understand there's a companion bill, not yet enacted, to cut off law enforcement grants where this is happening.
Sure they can ignore the law, but Congress isn't entirely toothless, they can apply sanctions especially if they are related to law enforcement, and not overly onerous.
The federal government can't commandeer state employees, but I believe they probably could immunize them against state sanctions for notifying the feds of impending releases.
Is requiring notification of impending releases a burden sufficient to constitute "commandeering" state employees?
Or is it like other "reporting" requirements, such as state health folk having to report certain diseases to the CDC, or police/fire/??? having to report vehicular data morbidity/mortality, or state DEP folk having to report HazMat spills to the EPA?
One of the problems with using FBI data is that each state defines crimes pursuant to its own state laws, so the FBI has tried, over the years, to get them to have uniform reporting definitions. Etc.
In most cases, reporting requirements are a condition of accepting federal funds under the Spending Clause. States don’t have to take the money. But if they do, they have to folllow the conditions.
The heuristic that any law named after a person is a bad one never fails.
Most of them are, the Brady Bill, Matthew Shepherd, James Bird, even Moe-hammad Ali has a law, Nelson Act (Ozzie and Harriet) and my favorite, the Volstead law. I don't know, but maybe the "Emmet Till Anti-Lynching Act" has a few good points.
Frank, it was the Volstead ACT, not law.
It was named after Minnesota Rep. Andrew Volstead, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who had championed it.
This was a major problem with my dissertation -- the APA style manual wanted the name of each law, while I was dealing with legal citations of obscure state laws.
Or whose title is a cutesy acronym.
But rules typically have exceptions, and having read the actual text of the law, I don't see anything objectionable about it.
It just takes the current requirement that illegal aliens accused or convicted of serious crimes be detained and deported, and extends it to property crimes. And adds a mechanism for state officials to compel an unwilling administration to actually 'take care that the law be faithfully executed'.
The vote was 264-159. All 159 "nay" votes were by Democrats, and the most far-left ones, of course. Has Somin "the libertarian" ever asked himself why his position on immigration is in accord with that the fringe left? Does he imagine they have the same objectives?
Why does Somin fear "mass detention"? As he so often (and absurdly) assures us, illegal migrants are so much more law-abiding than natives. This law is necessary precisely because many Democrat state and local officials refuse to cooperate with the federal government in enforcing immigration law, by detaining those guilty of violating federal law. But ole "Rule of Law" Somin doesn't like those laws, so he sides with the modern-day Nullifiers.
159 Democrats is three-quarters of the caucus, not "the fringe left."
And why should Somin the libertarian ask himself that, as if there's some contradiction there? Are you under the mistaken impression that libertarians are on the right? Libertarians are for liberty. Sometimes that puts them in accord with the fringe right, sometimes the fringe left, sometimes both, sometimes neither.
Not enforcing a federal law is not "nullifying" it.
Well, my favorite pedant, then I guess South Carolina's 1832 Ordinance of Nullification, refusing to enforce federal tariff laws and forbidding state officials form assisting in their enforcement, has been mislabeled all these years.
Did that ordinance perhaps have some other provisions that you didn’t mention that went beyond merely instructing state officials not to enforce the law? It might be worth checking!
Why?
Would it change the provisions quoted?
If that was what the Ordinance did, then yes, it would have been a misnomer. (It would not have been "mislabeled all these years," though, since South Carolina called it that at the time. It would've been misnamed by South Carolina.) But that's not what it did. It, you know, actually purported to nullify the tariff — and thus it was correctly named. It attempted to prevent the federal government from enforcing the tariff, not merely forbid state officials from doing so.
It over-reached in that it proposed to penalize federal officers for enforcing the tariff.
So far, California has only gone so far as penalizing state residents in the private sector for cooperating with the feds; For instance, in California if you, a business owner, are aware that the ICE are planning on visiting your business, you're legally mandated to warn your employees of it.
"159 Democrats is three-quarters of the caucus, not "the fringe left.""
I've seen the Republican caucus described as the fringe right, so why not?
What defines "fringe left", anyway? Where you stand relative to your own party's politicians, where you stand relative to your own party's voters, or where you stand relative to the general electorate?
It's quite possible for the Democratic caucus to be in the fringe left relative to their own voting base.
David,
I'm an frequent reader but a rare commenter here. There are many who comment here who might be referred to as "the usual suspects" but they might also be called by other labels. Most are fairly predictable in their "philosophy" of jurisprudence - or lack thereof. And some are just predictable in their reactionary comments. I'd put you in that latter category as I would several others.
Which leads me to ask you a question: Your comments ... Do you expect readers to admire your scintillating insights and legal analysis? Or is this just a fun activity for you? I Googled your name so it appears you are a practicing attorney. Do you hope your comments bring you new clients/business? Or is this merely a hobby and you don't really care what the populace thinks? [Yes, I said I wanted to ask a question but I asked several. My apologies.]
3/4 of the caucus IS fringe left.
Those 159 should be banished to Greenland
Yes. Ilya’s precious illegals shouldn’t have to sit in jail waiting for trial after having been arrested for committing crimes. Often violent crimes. Instead, he prefers a revolving door for them, often hitting the streets after having been arrested for violent crimes, aided and abetted by sympathetic Soros (etc) funded DAs.
This, from Althouse today, is part of what is behind this legislation:
But Somin is a Libertarian. Libertarians are for liberty. Soros got the Medal of Freedom. If you do not understand how the cause of liberty keeps these creeps in the USA, then you are ignorant. Elon Musk was an immigrant, and he started a rocket company.
He should wake up one these days in a place where he won't wake up.
He's crossed illegally twice. I imagine he got shit-in-his-pants drunk twice and each time woke up in America rather than Guatemala. Poor soul. He needs counseling.
Maybe I have a jaded view from what I have seen happen in a certain purgatorial cesspool of a university, but wouldn't an AMERICAN who routinely got "blackout" drunk be involuntarily committed to rehab?
The bar should be very low for illegal immigrants that are subject to deportation anyway.
Here's Dem Senator John Fetterman's take:
Senator John Fetterman: If Senate Democrats don’t pass The Laken Riley Act, then “that’s the reason why we lost”
“If you're here illegally and you're committing crimes, I don't know why anybody thinks that it's controversial, that they all need to go.”
https://x.com/america/status/1876814423362338968?t=ARfoL1AEB9WvupfcR2T_ug&s=19
"The bar should be very low for illegal immigrants that are subject to deportation anyway."
I believe Somin's position in a nutshell is that aside from the rather dubious limitations of voting and holding some offices to citizens, (That he'll get around to demonstrating are unconstitutional any day now.) citizens properly have no rights that illegal aliens don't have. So that, unless you could deport a citizen for something, how dare you deport an illegal alien?
I'm maybe exaggerating a little, but not by much. It really does appear to be his position that it's improper for the government to treat illegal aliens in any way differently from citizens.
He really is becoming a parody of himself at this point.
In describing Prof. Somin's positions I might stay away from "dubious", unless you also throw in a feral cat.
Once again: the bill applies to illegal immigrants accused of, not merely people convicted of, committing crimes.
Once again, it applies exclusively to people who would be subject to detention and deportation even if they were perfectly innocent of those crimes, so, who cares? No harm, no foul.
Isn't the "accused" issue a red herring? Arrest by itself can lead to loss of a green card/visa and subsequent deportation. Why should illegal/undocumented aliens be treated better than legal ones?
If one is out on bail and gets arrested for another crime, isn't the bail usually eliminated upon the second arrest?
Why shouldn't I conclude the purpose of this act is to gin up against folks who look Hispanic as many false charges of shoplifting as possible? If that is not the purpose, why won't that happen anyway?
You shouldn't conclude that because, while assuming the worst of people who disagree with you is emotionally rewarding, it's still a vice that leaves you unable to persuasively argue with people who don't make this assumption.
And, if you actually cared about Hispanics, you might notice that shoplifting raises the price for everything they buy, so they don't like shoplifters any more than anybody else.
Also, file a few false shoplifting complaint against Hispanics legally in the country and you are going to be dealing with a racism complaint.
Bellmore, in what twisted universe does that imply that Hispanics approve of arrest and detention of folks who committed no crimes at all?
By the way, there is no need to assume the worst of anyone in particular. The problem is not particular, but general. With enough police officers, some will predictably be anti-Hispanic bigots who take advantage of a stupid legal empowerment to turn personal bigotry into a racist assault. So the legal empowerment is the problem. That, and you, for defending it uncritically.
" in what twisted universe does that imply that Hispanics approve of arrest and detention of folks who committed no crimes at all?"
I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic of discussion, which is a law that only applies to illegal aliens, who are subject to arrest, detention, and deportation already.
Sure, you've got an argument there against having any laws at all, but I wouldn't go so far as to say a "good" argument, and based on the results of the late election, it's certainly not one actual Hispanic citizens find persuasive.
Why would this law encourage additional charges against Hispanic people? Unless they are illegal aliens there would be exactly zero purpose to do so under this law and even if they are illegal aliens stacking additional charges doesn't really change anything as technically one violation is enough to trigger it. Most likely you are just doing what leftists do when they are losing an argument and screaming "racism."
In all honesty I think there is a good possibility it will happen. One question is whether people detained will be able to file writs of habeas corpus claiming US citizenship and unlawful detention.
But of course, even if they can, one can only go through arrest, detention, release, charges dropped, repeat so many times and still be able to do things like hold a job.
The previous Trump administration put a lot of effort into making it harder to prove US citizenship. I suspect those efforts will expand.
We're talking about illegal aliens. They should *all* be arrested, detained, and deported. The fact that some of those targeted by this law may not have actually been convicted of other offenses doesn't particularly trouble me.
Laken (Not "Lincoln", as Parkinsonian Fuck Face Joe Biden said) Riley was raped and strangled by José Antonio Ibarra, a 26-year-old Venezuelan man who had entered the United States illegally. He was arrested by UGA police and was charged with 10 counts, including felony murder, malice murder, false imprisonment, aggravated assault with intent to rape, and kidnapping. Ibarra was found guilty on all charges on November 20, 2024, and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. In the year since the crime, Ibarra has contributed about 100kg of CO2 to the Troposphere (in his defense, Laken has contributed zero)
If there's a Jay-Hova (there's not I'm afraid) all 159 Representatives (Representative of what? Shit?) would endure the same fate as Laken.
Frank
My heart bleeds for those illegal aliens so unjustly targeted by this unjust act.
*insert picture of AOC leaning against chainlink fence, crying at nothing on the other side*
And make that picture of the weeping AOC appear twice at the top of the piece - you know, yours is a Somin-adjacent article, so double headers are in order.
'undocumented immigrant ...'
You're dismissed.
As I’ve said in the past, the Constituion permits draconian approaches to aliens. For example, even if they had entered and resided in the country lawfully, we can detain them if our country for example goes to war with their home country, just because our country doesn’t like their country and not for anything they’ve done.
Whether draconian approaches are good policy or consistent with our values is open to discussion. As usual, Professor Somin’s constitutional arguments strike me as having little merit. But his policy arguments generally reflect an important tradition in our country, and his universalist approach to concepts of fairness is worth considering.
I doubt Laken's family would describe Somin's view of immigration as "fair."
The Excessive Bail Clause guarantees a constitutional right to bail, which means that the government cannot ordinarily detain an arrestee without bail, especially for a non-violent offense like simple theft or shoplifting done by someone with little or no criminal record. So this statute would be very quickly found unconstitutional if it applied to citizens. Arestees have certainly committed crimes while on bail in the past, an the victims and their families haven’t like it, and I’m sure they haven’t thought it fair either. But we’ve accepted it because the right to go free on bail pending trial absent exceptional circumstances is a well-established textual constitutional right.
Professor’s Somin’s view, agree with it or not, is that we ought to treat citizens and aliens similarly in these matters. If we put up with it for citizens because it’s their recognized right, it’s only “fair” that we ought to be willing to put up with it for aliens too.
Moe-hammad Atta and 2 of the other Hijackers were cited for traffic offenses shortly before 9-11, if they'd been deported.....
I'm beginning to think Ilya is an op -- nobody could be this stupid...
How many professors do you know?
They really can be this stupid...
Ilya Somin is still writing for The Volokh Conspiracy? At Reason Magazine?
Surely, by now he should have settled into his new role as a featured opinion columnist for The New York Times.
And he’s still on the faculty at GMU? Why is Harvard being so slow announcing his new endowed chair?
Laws named after dead young people tend to be bad laws.
It turns out Laken Riley was murdered because her killer wanted a piece of pussy.
Now he has a lifetime to practice how to pretend that his asshole is a pussy!