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Trump's Plan to Use the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 as a Tool for Mass Deportation
The plan is illegal. But courts might refuse to strike it down based on the "political questions" doctrine.

Donald Trump recently announced his intention to use the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 as a tool for mass deportation of immigrants. The Alien Enemies Act is a component of the notorious Alien And Sedition Acts. It's the only part of that legislation that remains on the books today. Unlike the more sweeping Alien Friends Act, which gave the president broad power to deport and bar any "aliens as he shall judge dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States," and was therefore rightly denounced as unconstitutional by James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and others, the Alien Enemies Act allows detention and removal only when there "is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government." In that event, the president is given the power to detain or remove "all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized."
Katherine Yon Ebright of the Brennan Center has an excellent explanation of why the Alien Enemies Act cannot legally be used against migrants from countries with which the US is not at war. Here's her summary of her analysis:
As the Supreme Court and past presidents have acknowledged, the Alien Enemies Act is a wartime authority enacted and implemented under the war power. When the Fifth Congress passed the law and the Wilson administration defended it in court during World War I, they did so on the understanding that noncitizens with connections to a foreign belligerent could be "treated as prisoners of war" under the "rules of war under the law of nations." In the Constitution and other late-1700s statutes, the term invasion is used literally, typically to refer to large-scale attacks. The term predatory incursion is also used literally in writings of that period to refer to slightly smaller attacks like the 1781 Raid on Richmond led by American defector Benedict Arnold.
Today, some anti-immigration politicians and groups urge a non-literal reading of invasion and predatory incursion so that the Alien Enemies Act can be invoked in response to unlawful migration and cross-border narcotics trafficking. These politicians and groups view the Alien Enemies Act as a turbocharged deportation authority. But their proposed reading of the law is at odds with centuries of legislative, presidential, and judicial practice, all of which confirm that the Alien Enemies Act is a wartime authority. Invoking it in peacetime to bypass conventional immigration law would be a staggering abuse.
She makes several other good points, as well. If you're interested in this issue, read the whole thing!
I would add that the "invasion" or "predatory incursion" in question must be perpetrated by a "foreign nation or government." That excludes illegal migration or drug smuggling perpetrated by private individuals, which is what we see at the southern border today. One can argue that use of the word "nation" in addition to "government" means the former has a different meaning from the latter. Perhaps so. But "nation" still doesn't include private individuals. Rather, it could apply to state-like entities that are not recognized governments. For instance, the Hamas terrorist organization that brutally attacked Israel on Oct. 7, 2023 is not a recognized government, but did - at least until recently - have state-like control over Gaza. The same could be said for some Founding-era Indian nations (which the US and European states didn't recognize as full-fledged governments) and groups like the Barbary pirates, who were agents of Arab north African states.
Elsewhere, I have explained why Founding-era understandings of "invasion" are limited to large-scale armed attacks, and do not cover things like illegal migration or drug smuggling (for more detail, see my amicus brief in United States v. Abbott).
Despite the strong legal arguments against it, there is a chance Trump could succeed in using the Alien Enemies Act as a tool for detention and deportation. As Ebright notes, courts might rule that the definitions of "invasion" and "predatory incursion" are "political questions" that courts aren't allowed to address. Several previous court decisions have held that the definition of "invasion" in the Constitution is a political question (thereby preventing state governments from invoking broad definitions of invasion under the Invasion Clause of Article IV in order to be able to "engage in war" in war without federal authorization), though many have simultaneously held that an illegal migration does not qualify as "invasion" because an invasion requires a large-scale armed attack (see pp. 20-22 of my amicus brief).
Ebright argues (correctly, I think) that even if the definition of "invasion" is usually a political question, the use of the Alien Enemies Act as a tool for mass detention and deportation of migrants from countries with which the US is not at war should fall within the exception for "an obvious mistake" or "manifestly unauthorized exercise of power" (Baker v. Carr (1962)). I would add that the entire political question doctrine is an incoherent mess, and courts should not extend it further.
Nonetheless, there is a danger they could apply it here, and thereby let Trump get away with a grave abuse of power that could potentially harm many thousands of people. Mass deportations of the kind envisioned by Trump would create disruption, increase prices and cause shortages. They also destroys more American jobs than they creates, because many U.S. citizens work in industries that depend on goods produced by undocumented workers. In addition, large-scale detention and deportation routinely sweeps in large numbers of US citizens, detained by mistake because of poor-to-nonexistent due process protections.
It's also worth noting that the Alien Enemies Act applies to any migrants from the relevant countries who have not been "naturalized," which includes legal migrants even permanent resident green card holders. If Trump is able to use it at all, it could be deployed against legal immigrants no less than illegal ones. And he and his allies have repeatedly made clear they want to slash legal migration no less than the illegal kind.
If Trump returns to power, it is possible this particular plan will be stopped by the courts. But that is far from certain. Ebright also recommends Congress simply repeal the Alien Enemies Act (there are plenty of other tools to deal with actual threats to national security); I agree, but it's unlikely to happen anytime soon. Thus, the only surefire way to block this dangerous abuse of power is to defeat Trump in the election.
UPDATE: Prof. Michael Ramsey commented on this post here. I responded in a follow-up post.
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This sounds…odd. Really, Trump “invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798”?
I have no doubt that Trump had some anti-immigration speech going on. I just can’t see him invoking a law that is more than 200 years old in a speech. It’s not “Trump”. Following the links and links of links, there's no direct quote to him "invoking" such a law. It just kinda gets stated that it's what he's doing.
Especially since…he doesn’t need to invoke such a law to deport illegal immigrants. He can just have them ordered to be deported, based on the fact they are illegally in the country.
https://x.com/cspan/status/1845269348069540119
You didn't want it to be true.
But it is true.
I'll bet now you don't care.
That's rather chilling video, both in tone and content.
Among other things he seems to be claiming that all illegal immigrants are in criminal gangs.
Trump demonizes millions of people with his lies, plans to round them up, put them in camps, and deport them all.
And yet he is essentially a coin flip from election. How can tens of millions of people support this loathsome man, and cheer him on? How can any intelligent person do so?
Because we're intelligent, so were James Madison, Woodrow Wilson, and FDR who used the act during their respective terms.
And because you're "intelligent," your understanding goes as far as "Woodrow Wilson did it therefore it's exactly like Trump's rhetoric now." Brilliant thinker you are, clearly.
Thanks!
Don't forget Jefferson -- he used the act as well.
Memory is threw the editor of the Hartford Currant in jail.
Wilson censored movies about the American Revolution because they made the British look bad.
Unless the editor of the nonexistent "Hartford Currant" was an alien, Jefferson obviously could not have used the act to put the guy in jail.
Nonsense. Hartford currants are especially tasty. And likely prospects to revitalize the now disused fields of the Connecticut tobacco industry.
If the terroir proves satisifactory, maybe Harford currants can become basis to found a distinctive Connecticut wine industry. That could save some of that acreage from conversion into solar energy farms.
"nonexistent 'Hartford Currant' "
Au contraire. It was a 19th C competitor of the Springfield Grape and the New Haven Cranberry.
How? Because the choice is between two loathsome candidates. I prefer not voting
Wrong!
If you don't want to vote for POTUS, fine. There are local races that actually matter, Don Nico - so vote. 😉
It is not as 8f these people are Americans or legal resident aliens.
I’m not the first one to think, “It sounded better in the original German.”
I think that about "99 Luftballons"
It's true -- the German one wasn't as political.
Not sure what’s wrong with rounding up gangs of criminal aliens and deporting them. The government deports criminal aliens now. maybe you’re hearing the dog whistles.
Biden's been deporting aliens, and where's the news about that?
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/dec/30/deportations-of-migrants-rise-to-more-than-142000-/
Literally the first link in this article is to an Independent article that has the video of him mentioning the Act and saying "1798" like 3 times in succession.
La la la la...
deport immigrants ( according to Somin) or illegal aliens which is their legal status under US law
Care to engage with the substance of the OP? It's not just about illegals!
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Jjust correcting Somin intentional mischaracterization of who is subject on deportation based Trumps actual comment.
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" It’s not just about illegals!"
You should listen to the twitter link you were so proud of.
Trumps was discuss illegal aliens, no mention of legal immigrants
Not a great fig leaf after the Haitian immigrants, and asylum's seekers, and just like black people have been targeted.
Except it is. All the !illegals in question are TPS recipients, which means the day after Trump gets in office they become illegals. Because using the TPS laws for hundreds of thousands of people is beyond retarded, and only an act you would take if you were planning on forcing mass amnesty at some point.
"All the !illegals in question are TPS recipients, which means the day after Trump gets in office they become illegals."
Hint: When you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, you should keep your mouth closed.
TPS is not something anyone can unilaterally end and start deporting people the next day.
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status
Odd how Trump supporters seem to all be retarded bigots.
Yes, it will takes months to deport the illegals. Maybe years. All the more reason to get started.
Mere deportation? They'd just come back. It would hardly be a "final solution" to the problem.
(Oh, wait. Trump covered that, didn't he...)
By definition no illegals are TPS recipients.
The theory behind these laws - and it’s one Professor Somin doesn’t like - is that international relations are fundamentally about STATES. The United States deals with aliens primary as an extension of the state they are citizens. It can treat them well if it likes the state they are citizens of and it can treat them badly if it doesn’t like the state they are citizens of.
So in principle enemy aliens are citizens of states the United States is at war with, and that’s determined by Congress, not the President.
There can be exceptions for non-state actors who have organized hostile intent. I think 9/11 is the classic recent example of non-state actors pulling off something that could fairly be called an invasion. It’s certainly a predatory incursion at the very least.
But I completely agree with Professor Somin that people who are seeking to enter a country to live there are in no way invading it. We don’t have to admit them. Professor Somin doesn’t like this, but we don’t have to. But they are nonetheless not an invasion. And people who are merely seeking to live here are not predatory.
Congress COULD give the President authority to deal with aliens much more harshly if it wants. But it hasn’t.
We don’t have to admit them.
True. But we don't have to deport them either, and we certainly don't have to deport them en masse.
This is a political choice, and Trump and gang are making an immoral, inhumane, stupid, and expensive one, based on a lot of vicious lies that everyone knows are lies.
we didnt have to let them in either
While Biden didnt officially invite the illegal alien onslaught, word certainly got around that there was going to be a significant drop in enforcement.
You seem to very much want this to be about 'can we deport illegal immigrants.'
That's not the subject here. That's not what Trump is talking about. There are specific, and cruel, implementation plans here. And an authority that is at best questionable in it's history of use, and it's history of passage.
This is blood and soil shit, so of course you want to talk about something else.
Blood and Soil are important, right up there with Air and Water
Blood and Soil are important,
To some people.
Try living without either one
"blood and soil shit"
Why don't you just say Nazi shit.
That is what you mean.
Nico — Right you are. And you don't plan to vote against it.
That could never happen here!
It's white supremacy, not quite Naziism.
Though a lot of Jews know that when minorities are targeted, Jews are always going to come up sooner or later.
Ethnic nationalism doesn't have to reach Nazi levels to be oppressive, discriminatory, and sometimes violent.
Here, Trump's rhetoric, and the crowd response, do have those kinds of overtones. Listen carefully to that clip.
The thing is, obviously nobody objects to arresting and ultimately deporting violent criminals, legal or not. What Trump is trying to demonize all illegal immigrants as violent criminals to justify mass deportation. And the damn fools all fall for it.
we didnt have to let them in either.
True, but they are here. Shouldn't we be thinking about the wisest policy, on all dimensions, rather than taking some sort of absolutist, "They're here illegally, so kick them out," position.
Trump, if you watch the clip, would have us equate illegal immigrants with criminal gang members. That's horseshit, of course. And you know it, Joe.
There are criminals, of course, but it seems a lot easier and cheaper to arrest and imprison (and deport, now or later) them than to just make up some slanderous lies as a pretext. Still, it suggests that even Trump feels the need to make a stronger case for his concentration camps than just "They're illegals."
Joe may know the difference, but Trump's audience does not. It's what he's counting on...
Eisenhower had Operation Wetback....
9/11 was an attack, of course. It was not an "invasion." (I'm not sure it matters for most — if any — purposes, but it's silly to use an obviously inapt label.) You might be able to invade Vatican City with 20 people. But 20 people aren't invading the U.S.
Well, this op involved about 30 people (23 SEALS, an interpreter and 2 flight crews) plus a dog and I bet the Pakis consider it an "invasion"
https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article/2591901/
The essential point I was trying to make is that we could completely lawfully deal with them through a military as distinct from a law-enforcement response. 9/11 represents the (hopefully) rare contemporary case where what Trump is calling for – bypassing traditional law enforcement and calling in the troops – would be a completely lawful and fully justified thing to do under existing law.
"American defector Benedict Arnold"
I think the correct term is "traitor." And he wasn't an alien, just a homegrown betrayer of his country.
You just described Tampon Tim Waltz
What enemies of the United States, at war with the United State, did he adhere to? What people at war with the United States did he give aid and comfort to?
The Treason Clause, with its deliberately narrow definition of treason, was written precisely to protect us from the tendency of partisan zealots of a certain type to label those they merely disagree with or came to have a political cussing match with traitors, and to punish them as such when they get power.
In other words, the Constitution was framed with people like you specifically in mind. The framers wrote the Constitution specifically to protect us from people like you.
It’s harsh. But it has to be said. Think about it.
To be fair, not just him.
People have accused Trump of all sorts of treason too, without any corroborating evidence or even plausibility. Just because they hate him. Russian asset, Putin stooge. One could have said that about the likes of Bernie Sanders back in the day, when the Cold War was hot.
It’s an annoying trend that both MAGA and The Resistance like to call each other traitors. Whenever I encounter it, I remind them of the constitutional definition. Which, as you say, is exactly why it was included. Because of the English history and tradition of making political opposition treasonous.
And yet colloquially a person deriving satisfaction from the destruction of his fellows lives and livelihoods is a traitor to the spirit of this country. That he was charged with the protection of those lives and livelihoods and willfully abdicated his duties makes it twice as bad.
Putin stooge is at least plausible.
But "nation" still doesn't include private individuals. Rather, it could apply to state-like entities that are not recognized governments.
This seems pretty weak tea to me. So basically the president is powerless to do anything so long as the invaders say the magic words, "We swear, we're doing this as individuals, not as a coordinated nation." But also take a gander at the foreign policy of those governments-- quite often, they encourage people to go, have an entire apparatus setup to receive remittances. The official policy of Mexico is to facilitate immigration as migrants head north, because Mexico would prefer not to be stuck with them (their leaders are smarter than ours). To say that it's not an invasion or even an incursion requires some serious ignoring of what's happening. Tell you what, let's deport them, somebody can sue as a test case and the courts can hash it out-- but they'll be litigating from their home country, not from here.
So basically the president is powerless to do anything so long as the invaders say the magic words, “We swear, we’re doing this as individuals, not as a coordinated nation.”
No, you idiot. The President is not "powerless" in that case. The Alien Enemies Act of 1798 is not the only tool at the President's disposal.
True - its not the presidents only tool
perhaps if Biden had down the same as Trump and Obama - instead of announcing that he going to do a half ass job enforcing the border laws, some 10m might not have tried to cross the border.
What does the second paragraph have to do with the first?
Bottom line you want to blame Trump for a problem created and encouraged by the Biden administration.
No.
I blame Trump for proposing a terrible, inhumane, and irrational policy, based on a lot of lies, regardless of who is responsible for what.
So you were and are okay with the problem created and encouraged by Biden and his administration.
You’re making excuses and deflecting.
Anything other than defending the bad shit Trump’s saying on the merits.
Whatever the problem with the status quo is, Trump's performatively cruel response is not about a solution. The cruelty, as they say, is the point.
It's not a problem in the first place. Immigration is a benefit.
Gee, you're a weasel.
You started off by talking about what I blame Trump for.
When I told you you suddenly shifted gears. Nothing but trolling.
Bottom line is that you're full of shit as usual.
You won't address Trump's increasingly dark, racist, and violent rhetoric because you're an asshole just like he is.
I swear to god, our friends on the left must wake up at the crack of dawn, scream the word "RACE!!!!!!!!!" and find a way to inject it into a context where race is irrelevant. Nobody-- literally nobody-- is proposing different treatment on account of race, but on immigration status. If you're troubled by what the demographics of the invaders happen to be, take it up with them; we have very little control over who decides to invade, so that's on them. So how is it racist? Well, it isn't, but "racist" is just an all purpose insult the left uses regardless of how irrelevant it is in context.
The drama coming from the open borders crowd over this is amazing.
1) When using creative interpretations of the law to go after political opponents they are perfectly fine with it.
2) Ultimately all this will do is expedite the removal of illegal aliens who are part of a criminal organization. Yeah that is so terrible isn't it?
I'm sorry that I did not realize a dipshit would be reading my remarks and thinking he was qualified to respond.
You think I'm only referring to his remarks as mentioned in this blog post. I am neither your friend, nor am I on 'the left' of the political spectrum. You may fuck off now.
You write like a leftist.
"I swear to god, our friends on the left must wake up at the crack of dawn, scream the word 'RACE!!!!!!!!!' and find a way to inject it into a context where race is irrelevant. Nobody– literally nobody– is proposing different treatment on account of race, but on immigration status. If you’re troubled by what the demographics of the invaders happen to be, take it up with them; we have very little control over who decides to invade, so that’s on them. So how is it racist? Well, it isn’t, but 'racist' is just an all purpose insult the left uses regardless of how irrelevant it is in context."
Is anyone calling for white Canadians or Europeans to be deported en masse?
Does anyone wonder why not?
Maybe because there is not a large mass of Canadian or European illegal aliens. This is especially true of the last 3 1/2 years where it has been out southern border that has been overwhelmed ( and there are lots of video showing it).
Btw I fully support the deportation of any illegal alien no matter where they are from. I merely would start by gaining control over the border and focusing on where the majority of the problem is.
CountmontyC — I learn something every day. Today I discover I am a descendant of a curiously contrived Puritan — Bohemian invasion, living in an area saturated with descendants of a French Canadian invasion. My neighbors are all getting their yard work done by assorted Mexican invaders, except not by invaders from Oaxaca, who instead stock my supermarket's shelves. All this invading makes me wonder whether it would have been better to send your ancestors back where they came from—or at least that might be what I would wonder if I were descended from Wampanoag invaders, like the ones buried in a tiny wooded cemetery a short walk from my home.
Mr. Lathrop I was responding to NG's post about why there isn't an uproar over Canadian/European illegal aliens and the simple answer is that there is no flood of Canadian/European illegal aliens who even before this most recent flood under the Biden-Harris Maladministration only amounted to about 15% of illegal aliens compared to the 80% who came from south of the border and I expect that the disparity in the percentage has actually grown under the Biden-Harris Maladministration. You word salad doesn't change the facts.
"Is anyone calling for white Canadians or Europeans to be deported en masse?"
If they are here illegally then yes. I am calling for them to be deported en masse. Just as I am calling for all illegal aliens to be deported regardless of race or country of origin.
4 American Citizens currently held hostage in Gaza by Ham-Ass, 46 American Citizens killed in Israel in the Oct 7 attacks, that’s a “War” in my book, send every last Arab back (my preference would be in a Box)
Frank
It's being perpetuated by the UN and a few other Globalist types and their Marxist sponsors.
It is an invasion. Being facilitated by enemies within.
"Enemies within."
"Poisoning our blood."
"Criminal gangs."
"Destroying our country."
"Arrest journalists who criticize him."
etc.
Do you have any idea what you are supporting? Do the Conspirators who back Trump?
Yeah he does. They do. What they don’t realize (or maybe they do deep down) is that nothing will actually change for them and they’ll still be miserable bastards even if all of Trump’s wildest visions are implemented.
LawTalkingGuy — I disagree. I think what they don't realize is that if they get what they want, they will end up surprised when an authoritarian MAGA government decides that to protect itself it needs to take their guns away.
If they won't comport, we must deport.
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+100
Here is my take for the little it is worth.
I don’t think it’s going to be NEARLY as easy to deport illegal aliens because the Biden administration has given millions of them a gloss of legality by allowing them to falsely declare asylum and stay in country until their cases are heard. The Democrats have nearly check-mated the rest of the country. Their plan is clearly to ultimately grant these faux asylum-seekers voting rights, and in that, they will largely succeed as long as these people are here.
The Trump administration will be able to lock down the border. He will be able to deport those who have been convicted of a crime while staying here. He will be able to deport any who are here without having first been registered as an asylum seeker. He will be able to find those who are registered, and track them.
But he will need additional legislation from Congress to deport those whom the Biden administration have allowed to stay here. He will need additional legislation to put legal pressure on businesses to not let them profit from exploiting them as cheap laborers. He will need additional legislation to not let these massive numbers of people skew the allotment of Congressional districts by stuffing the Census.
But using the Alien and Sedition Act is a total non-starter. Absolutely no.
Maybe Congress will pass some laws to deal with the aliens more effectively.
Not if Trump orders them not to...
Um, the only way to give them voting rights is to grant them citizenship. At the moment, anyway. There's no way people are going to stand for loosening any such requirements after a number of asylum seekers are allowed to stay pending future adjudication.
This idea that recent "illegals" will somehow be allowed to vote is perhaps the worst political BS of this year. Even worse than the Democrat Project 2025 fever swamp of monitoring women's pregnancies. Anyone peddling it should be embarrassed, ashamed, and ostracized. That's starting with Trump...
Non-citizens do not vote. Non-citizens cannot vote. Democrats should not oppose any federal law that explicitly codifies that. It just fuels the nutty conspiracy theories. (Unless of course that's actually what Democrats are trying to accomplish.)
Or you just give them the right to vote, locally only (wink, wink), and then "accidentally" fail to check or just make checking illegal and hope to the honesty of people with no respect for the law and pulling taxpayer benefits. What could possibly go wrong.
There already is a federal law that explicitly codifies that, The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, 1996. Perhaps Democrats are just saying that we don't need another federal law doing the same thing, at least for elections for federal offices.
"I don’t think it’s going to be NEARLY as easy to deport illegal aliens because the Biden administration has given millions of them a gloss of legality by allowing them to falsely declare asylum and stay in country until their cases are heard. The Democrats have nearly check-mated the rest of the country. Their plan is clearly to ultimately grant these faux asylum-seekers voting rights, and in that, they will largely succeed as long as these people are here."
Have you considered engaging with the truth instead of your partisan bullshit sourced directly from Trump's rectum?
"The Trump administration will be able to lock down the border. He will be able to deport those who have been convicted of a crime while staying here. He will be able to deport any who are here without having first been registered as an asylum seeker. He will be able to find those who are registered, and track them. "
He did not 'lock down' the border the first time.
We don't deport people convicted of crimes until they've served their sentences.
People who are here illegally can already be deported.
Suggesting that the government should unlawfully surveil immigrants is very Third Reich of you. Congratulations on your new party affiliation.
“I don’t think it’s going to be NEARLY as easy to deport illegal aliens because the Biden administration has given millions of them a gloss of legality by allowing them to falsely declare asylum and stay in country until their cases are heard.”
Actually if you just make it so they definitely can’t get jobs and other benefits of being here, they will just self-deport. There are really no deportations needed other than the ones who commit additional crimes. But it would speed up the process so they should go ahead.
As for all the bogus asylum claims, yes, the open borders Democrat strategy has been to try and slap an asylum sticker on every last forehead of the millions they trucked in. Going back to Trump’s policy is critical, claiming asylum cannot be a ticket to get in. As for those already here you need to find a way to clear those claims, but again if they can’t get jobs and free health care, free education, and free debit cards from nut job leftists, they will just go home.
“But he will need additional legislation from Congress to deport those whom the Biden administration have allowed to stay here.”
No. Anything that the Biden administration did can be reversed by a future president. If it was done by Congress then it needs an act of Congress, if not, then it doesn’t. To conclude otherwise is to give Presidents a legislative power.
As for the OP, I didn’t read it. Is there actually a question whether the President can deport illegal immigrants? That’s a new one to me. Or is Trump proposing to deport people with green cards?
They could call it a "Hostile Environment". What could possibly go wrong?
Here's what happened when the UK tried this recently:
"In February 2023, the Conservative government published an assessment of the hostile environment policy's impact between 2014 and 2018. The report concluded that the five nationalities most impacted by the policy were of brown or black heritage and all five were visibly not white, while other nationalities such as Albanian and Brazilian people, despite being among the groups most commonly found to be illegally present in the UK, were less frequently affected by the measures. A December 2018 investigation by the National Audit Office found that the policy had not been implemented with sufficient care and did not provide value for money and a 2020 Institute for Public Policy Research report found that the hostile environment policy had fostered racism, pushed people into destitution, wrongly targeted people who were living in the UK legally, and had “severely harmed the reputation of the Home Office”."
The thing about registering as an asylum seeker is that it doesn't automatically lead to being adjudicated an asylum receiver. In fact, most people who apply for asylum are rejected once they get their hearing.
The problem is that the system for doing said adjudication is radically underfunded, so we can't promptly process (and predictably reject) those claims. And due to a combination of court orders and funding shortfalls, we can't simply lock up the applicants until a court date is available.
So you make the asylum claim, get handed a case number, and then released on a pinky promise to reappear when summoned for your hearing, and are never seen again.
That's why "Remain in Mexico" was so important: It denied fake asylum claimees the chance to enter the country and go to ground.
But legally, the only thing Trump actually needs for his deportation program is the funding.
Maybe any of you concerned about executive overreach should have said something when DACA was created, or when the current administration was trying to enforce eviction and vaccine mandates, and cancelling student loan debt far beyond any recognizable authorization by law.
Sauce for the goose. Maybe stop being creative stretching the law when you can create a consensus to change it.
The thing is, there has emerged a political consensus to control the border, which is one of the reasons Trump has a chance to win in November. Maybe Democrats should consider compromising on that, rather than scheming to pack the Supreme Court.
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Another Trump lapdog who can't bother to actually address the subject and instead just points fingers and glosses over Orange Hitler's latest egregious remarks.
Oh sorry, I forgot to add my usual disclaimer that I’m a card carry Never-Trumper who has never voted for him in my life. I will not be voting for him in November. Will be writing in Paul Ryan of Wisconsin--because I desperately want entitlement reform. Grandma's wheelchair needs to be shoved off that cliff.
You’re probably another one of those deranged libs who doesn’t know what to do when they encounter someone hostile to Trump yet not supportive of Democrats. I’m sorry this is happening to you.
Respect for the rule of law starts at home. You and the Democrats should try it, instead of talking about abolishing the electoral college.
To be fair, there are a lot more deranged facs here who "don't know what to do when they encounter someone hostile to Trump yet not supportive" of Republicans.
Yes, Pres. Trump will have to use the laws available to him. Most people agree that something needs to be done about the alien invasion. Congress could pass some better laws.
Most non-racist people agree that there is no alien invasion.
Because the Biden-Harris administration invited them in? Harris is suddenly promising to be tough on the border, so apparently her handlers have told her that no one wants her open border policy.
Roger S : “Because the Biden-Harris administration invited them in?”
Most non-racist people wouldn’t say something so brain-dead stupid as “the Biden-Harris administration invited them in”. Granted, there are probably some non-racist idiots who believe that, but it seems to be mainly one of those masturbatory fantasies common among the rancidly race-obssessed.
Like the “alien invasion”, of course. Those types really get their rocks off on that one. Of course the core fantasy is a belief immigrants of all types are somehow “stealing” something from them (the race-obssessed). God alone knows what the clowns think is being “taken” from them (they probably couldn’t produce a coherent answer if they tried) but it’s a common feature of Right-types today that some evil “Other” (preferably with dark skin) is cheating them of something that's their due.
Sometimes it's a concrete lie, as when they're being robbed of their dogs and cats. Thus the degree that gibberish went over with the MAGA faithul. But usually it's much more emotional, abstract & nebulous.
Biden during a Democratic debate literally encouraged immigrants to "surge to the border" if he were elected.
https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/flashback-biden-tells-migrants-to-surge-to-the-border/
"I would in fact make sure that there is… We immediately surge to the border, all those people who are seeking asylum."
Like so many racists, you've been taken in by idiocy because you want to believe the conspiracy.
What does 'we' mean to you? What kind of precedent do we have for a surge in the US?
The full quote in context is obviously that he wanted the migrants to surge to the border and apply for asylum whereupon he would grant them entry. In that same debate he declared we could easily handle 2 million more "asylum " seekers .
Of course you deny the clear video of Biden encouraging a rush to the border and call me racist because the facts are against you.
Are you the same guy who keeps quoting Biden's "voter fraud organization" gaffe as proof of him admitting stealing the 2020 election?
No I am not.
Now do you wish to deny that Biden urged immigrants to surge to the border?
Obviously!
Naw, dude, surge means like in Iraq in '07.
Your parsing requires you to ignore that history, ignore the use of 'we' and make up a weird use of surge instead of rush or a more fitting existing word.
You are flat wrong in a very white supremacist great replacement conspiracy theory way.
You have an amazing talent at playing stupid.
You cited to 'Obviously.' I cited to the content of the quote, and past precedent for usage.
Bigots don't reason much; mostly they go in their own rancid vibes, and the unearned confidence that comes from choosing passion over reason.
Definition of surge
a sudden powerful forward or upward movement, especially by a crowd or by a natural force such as the waves or tide.
Biden
"We immediately surge to the border, all those people who are seeking asylum."
So Biden literally said surge all those people to the border. Trying to claim that wasn't the case is either stupidity or dishonesty (in your case I am willing to believe that the answer is both).
Keep straining, chief. Surge has a meaning when it comes to Presidential policy
You're utterly, shamefully wrong and your theory baseline makes no sense - why would Biden be so impolitic as to say what you think he said on national broadcast?
You WANT to believe this rot, which should really make you question your priorities.
No, because immigrants and invaders are different things, to non-retarded people.
Calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist really moves the conversation forward.
There absolutely is a problem at the southern border. That some choose to call it an alien invasion does not make that less true. It also doesn’t make them racist.
But you knew that.
You probably also know a broad bipartisan consensus has developed (as indicated by public opinion polling) that SOMETHING should be done about controlling the border. That does not require using the Alien Enemies Act to deport those already here.
A good first step would be to actually enforce existing law, secure the border, and reject asylum claims not made at ports of entry. That would discourage the “invasion” and give us a chance to deal with those already here.
Of course, it’s been a bedrock Democrat party principle since the 90’s that doing anything to control the border is racist, especially including a border wall. So nothing happens to improve the situation. And no, the recent “bi-partisan” Senate bill would not have improved the situation. It would have provided the administration money to process even more illegal border crossers, making the problem worse not better by incentivizing them.
Someone using terms like "invasion", "poisoning the blood" and "vermin" is a strong indication that you're dealing with a racist, but, I grant you, it is not conclusive proof. They could simply be employing vile, racist tropes for their own, unrelated (to racism) ends. Not something decent human beings do, of course, but people like Trump do this routinely.
But you knew that.
Invasion has nothing in common with fascist adjacent “poisoning the blood” or “vermin”.
It is an invasion, in the colloquial sense. One does not have to have a racist objections to their uncontrolled entry to believe that. I’m not sure that invasion qualifies as such under the constitutional provision some want to invoke.
I would somehow regularize everyone already here tomorrow, if I could guarantee that no more come across the border hoping for the same deal in the future.
That’s not racism, it’s a desire for restoring the rule of law while defending our sovereignty.
Right, except that these things are said by the same people, coincidentally. Don't forget "bad genes," though.
"Maybe any of you concerned about executive overreach should have said something when DACA was created"
Oh, he did. Somin wrote extensively about it.
When it came to DACA, Somin reasoned that DACA was OK, because a future president could immediately undo it all at a moment's notice.
But then, lo and behold, when the next President wanted to undo DACA, leftist open border judges said he couldn't.
And what did Somin say? Surely Somin admitted his mistake, you ask, or at least disagreed with those leftist judges. But no. Somin agreed with those judges and just pretended he never said what he said a short time prior.
DACA is a fine policy.
There is no reason to oppose it other than sheer bigotry.
Why are you complaining about it? Why do you want to fuck up people's lives to satisfy your prejudices?
Are you pretending not to understand the Constitution, separation of powers, rule of law, etc?
These things require us to be complete assholes? I don't think so.
Whose lives would be fucked up?
If "fine" means illegal, then yes, it's a fine policy.
Not the discretionary choice not to deport. That's totally legit. But the executive branch cannot grant a non-citizen the right to work or other government benefits. Current law doesn't allow for that.
You all have been able to have DACA, even a path to citizenship for illegals, for a number of years now. If only Democrats agreed to allow the government to secure the border and give us all time to make sure it's working. But you've chosen lawlessness instead.
The window on that deal may finally be closing, because of your obstinance and bad faith behavior. The pro-immigrant Republicans have been muscled out by MAGA. FAFO
“Maybe Democrats should consider compromising. . .”
Just out of curiosity, what would you consider to be a good compromise?”
Secure border and end all illegal immigration, pass RAISE act, legalize DACA.
Brett: "We only hate illegal immigration."
ML: "We should support the RAISE Act which drastically cuts legal immigration."
Good little Act Blue bot.
Like I said below, your window has been closing.
This is like what Darth Vader said to Landro Calrissian:
"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."
Your opinion about about what is "far beyond any recognizable authorization by law" does a lot of work here. Beyond that, your point that partisans will only argue against measures they disagree with is pretty "duh"-worthy. The same with the point that many will appeal in bad faith to some overarching principle that they will then discard when necessary.
I've read too many Somin legal takes to take them seriously any more when they relate to immigration.
Somin's writing on immigration causes me to doubt things like Kelo because of my agreement with him. The reasoning is so sloppy, motivated and dishonest.
I am so old I remember when Reason used to be Libertarian, this article is nothing other than a left wing hit piece that references a left wing "Think Tank" as if their published crap was actual evidence.
Does anybody know of any web sites where real Libertarians post articles and discuss ideas?
Unfortunately this one has gone the way of the ACLU.
If you close your eyes and put your hands over your ears and yell LALALALALALALALAICAN'THEARYOU the bad ideas will go away.
The Libertarians are now hopelessly split between those who believe in freedom, and those pushing open borders. I thought that the reasonable ones had taken over the Libertarian Party, but it just nominated an open borders extremist.
Bingo. Once I respected them.
Those are the same thing. The Libertarians are split — though Oliver's nomination suggests that this may have been just a fluke — between those who believe in freedom and those who are MAGA types who are embarrassed to openly say so.
Immigration is a core libertarian value. It is inherent in freedom.
To be fair that is more a function of the nominating process and not the functional leads. Once Chase was nominated they devoted resources to blue states where his version of Liberaltarianism holds away as a sort of Biden/Harris spoiler rather than waste them in redder areas where trans 5 year old is a meme and not divine prophet.
Just ask Chase Oliver = Does anybody know of any web sites where real Libertarians post articles and discuss ideas?
Agree about the blog post. Illegal aliens are Ilya the Lesser's hobbyhorse.
Yes, and he's done a lot of research and makes a lot of detailed arguments about his positions on the matter. Agree or disagree, it seems to be beyond the ability of most commenters here to engage his arguments in any substantive way, and instead have to resort to name calling and similar nonsense.
Yup. Reason is not so anymore.
Perhaps the main Reason comment section would be more to your liking?
The use of creative interpretations of law can.not be limited to Democrats.
Are you in support of creative interpretations of law, or against them?
Guessing (and exaggerating) as to the SCOPE of any future Presidential action, shows the desparation. If Trump limits the deportations to those who have ILLEGALLY entered ("invaded" is a political term) the USA the 1798 Act may stretch sufficiently to cover them.
Delusions about mass sweeps of the street are just the feavered imaginations of an Anti-Trumper. University professors (with valid Naturalized CITIZENSHIP) have no worries. Nor do I - an native-born American.
Trump's no longer just talking about those who have entered illegally.
And he's explicitly talking about massive sweeps.
Many know where promises to go after minority groups ends, and it's not with illegals, and it's not with legal residents, and it's not with naturalized citizens.
What ias your objection to massive sweeps of illegal aliens?
Or, you know, listening to what Trump says.
I fail to see how this buy's Trump any new votes.
Sure the mouthbreathers who are going to vote for him love hearing it - but moderate Republicans or people on the fence?
Who are these moderate Republicans that hav ew a problem with deporting illegals?
Oh, I dunno. Maybe the ones who look like the ones these "massive sweeps" would be targeting?
Welp, I guess that's it fellas.
There's just no legal way to deport all these illegal aliens.
Might as well give up.
LOL!
Congress sure has been remiss, not passing a single useful law in this area since 1798...
This.
Also, badly misusing laws is bad.
Wait! It’s good!
Wait! It’s bad!
Wait, it’s good!
I don’t feel so good spinning round and roun blarrrrgh!
"The plan is illegal. But courts might refuse to strike it down based on the "political questions" doctrine."
Damn. I am now really really old.
Because way back when I was in college, all of my law classes said the if the courts said it was legal, it was legal. I never learned one unelected/appointed web blogger could change that.
This is your reminder that Ilya Somin opposes all limits on immigration. He wants our country to be plundered, and he ceaselessly hectors anyone who disagrees.
Yes. More specifically he opposes limits on USA immigration. And he wants to change zoning laws to make it easier to aliens to move into every neighborhood. Also, remind us of his national origin and ethnicity.
This is your reminder that immigration is a benefit, not a harm. It does not "plunder" anything.
In the aggregate, sure. And in the long run, we're all dead.
Actual citizens and regions are suffering from illegal immigration, have been for a long time. That's to Governor DeSantis, more regions have found that out. Just because immigration is "good" doesn't mean we should allow the uncontrolled immigration that's been happening to continue.
No.
How do I benefit from being underbid by people who shouldn't even be here, who then take their earnings and remit it back to South and Central America? Do tell.
America benefits as a whole. Whether you personally benefit or not is irrelevant, because you're a bigot spewing hatred and lies about people who probably work harder and contribute more to our country than you ever have or will.
If they make things harder for you to exist, then I say let them all in. We could do with fewer people like you.
No, there is no net benefit to immigration. Immigration has also been a net negative to France, Germany, and Sweden. If immigration is so beneficial, why do most countries severely restrict it?
Let's see: we get their labor, and they get green pieces of paper. Sounds like a big win for us.
We are all children of immigrants in some way though Native Americans came here further back.
So what exactly were the Social Security and Medicare rates back then? How much of every paycheck was stolen by the Feds for those entrants? Fuck off with that dishonest BS.
Steve Vladeck covers this ground as well:
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/103-alien-enemies-and-the-court?lli=1&utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2
"Despite a busy week of Court-related news, I wanted to use today’s post to provide some context for a claim former President Trump has started making on the campaign trail—that, if elected, he’ll use the Alien Enemy Act of 17981 to summarily arrest and deport undocumented immigrants."
I have a hard time taking seriously anybody who refers to illegal immigrants as "undocumented". It's the crudest sort of 'tell' as to your position on the issue.
Yet they are "undocumented," as well as illegal, so maybe those who use "illegal" are revealing their positions as well.
Somin writes the same one article over and over again. Fake moral panic and pearl clutching.
I find it odd that the author's assertion that a mass deportations of illegal immigrants would cause shortages is supported solely by a link to a leftwing, pro-illegal migrant group's website. There is no hard evidence that reducing the illegal population would reduce the supply of goods in excess of the obvious resulting reduction in demand. One would have to believe that each illegal immigrant is producing more GDP that he/she consumes. Given the massive amount of fiscal support these migrants receive, I do not see how this is a reasonable assertion.
I see no value to this argument. DId author add in 'mass' because he wants to taint the legality by mentioning the effects ?
"It would be okay for a hundred deportations but not for 'mass' deportations" --- which is silly . The legality is not affected by how many deportations would result.
Anyway this is lawyer bar chatter, real people approve overwwhelmingly
The latest Harvard/Harris poll is out. Immigration remains the second-biggest issue for American voters, even as President Trump’s promised crackdown on the border proceeds apace, while favorability ratings for the Department of Homeland Security have soared.