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Thoughts on Biden's Proposed Supreme Court Reforms
The proposals include term limits for Supreme Court justices, a binding ethics code, and a constitutional amendment limiting the president's' immunity from prosecution. All 3 are potentially good ideas. But devil is in details.

Today, President Joe Biden announced his support for three reforms: term limits for Supreme Court justices, a constitutional amendment denying the president immunity for crimes committed while in office, and a binding ethics code for Supreme Court justices. He laid out these ideas in a Washington Post op ed. My general reaction is similar to that outlined in my previous post on this topic: all three ideas are potentially good. But Biden is short on details, and term limits can only be properly adopted by a constitutional amendment. As noted in my earlier post, there is also an obvious political dimension to this announcement:
The Supreme Court has become highly unpopular. Currently, it only has an approval rating of about 36% in the 538 average of recent polls, with about 56% disapproving. Targeting the Court might be good politics…. Moreover, if reports about the proposals are correct, Biden has focused on ideas that are generally popular, such as term limits, while avoiding the much less popular (and very dangerous) idea of court-packing.
While I have been highly critical of several of the Court's recent decisions, I also think the conservative majority has many many good rulings, and that much of the left-wing criticism of the Court is overblown. But majority public opinion has a significantly more negative view of the Court than I do, thereby creating potential political momentum for various reforms.
When these ideas were first floated a couple weeks ago, Biden was still trying to salvage his own presidential campaign. Now, they could help bolster that of VP Kamala Harris (who has endorsed them). Josh Blackman is almost certainly right to note the proposals have virtually no chance of being enacted while Biden is still in office. But I think he goes too far in labeling them "pointless." Now that they have been endorsed by the current and future leaders of the Democratic Party, the chance they might eventually be enacted in some form has significantly increased. That's true of any policy idea adopted by one of the two major parties.
Below are a few comments on each of the three proposals.
Here's Biden on the amendment stripping presidential immunity:
I am calling for a constitutional amendment called the No One Is Above the Law Amendment. It would make clear that there is no immunity for crimes a former president committed while in office. I share our Founders' belief that the president's power is limited, not absolute. We are a nation of laws — not of kings or dictators.
I agree. The Supreme Court's badly flawed recent ruling in Trump v. United States goes way too far in granting such immunity to the president. Biden is wrong to suggest that, in the wake of the ruling, "there are virtually no limits on what a president can do." In reality, the decision is vague on several key points, thereby making it difficult to figure out exactly how much immunity it actually gives the president.. Also, there are non-criminal constraints on presidential power (e.g. - people can go to court to get an injunction against illegal executive orders). Still, broad presidential immunity is a bad thing, and enacting a constitutional amendment to abolish all or most of it would be good.
However, Biden tells us next to nothing about the details of such an amendment. I think the version recently proposed by 49 Democratic members of Congress is very good. Not clear whether Biden - and, more importantly, Harris - would support it, or some other approach. In addition, as I previously noted, the odds against enacting any controversial constitutional amendment are extremely long.
Biden on term limits:
Second, we have had term limits for presidents for nearly 75 years. We should have the same for Supreme Court justices. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court. Term limits would help ensure that the court's membership changes with some regularity. That would make timing for court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary. It would reduce the chance that any single presidency radically alters the makeup of the court for generations to come. I support a system in which the president would appoint a justice every two years to spend 18 years in active service on the Supreme Court.
Here, I have little to add to what I said before. Term limits for SCOTUS justices are a good idea, with broad support from both experts and the general public. A system of 18-year terms is also good, and similar to that proposed by various legal scholars. But any term limit plan must be enacted by constitutional amendment, not merely by a congressional statute. The latter would be unconstitutional, and would set a dangerous precedent, if it succeeded.
Annoyingly, Biden doesn't tell us whether term limits should be enacted by amendment or statute. He also doesn't address the difficult issue of how to handle current justices. Including them in the term limit plan (effectively forcing some to retire soon) would anger the right. Not doing so would likely offend the left.
Biden on a binding ethics code:
I'm calling for a binding code of conduct for the Supreme Court. This is common sense. The court's current voluntary ethics code is weak and self-enforced. Justices should be required to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Every other federal judge is bound by an enforceable code of conduct, and there is no reason for the Supreme Court to be exempt.
Unlike with term limits, Congress has broad (though not unlimited) power to enact ethics restrictions on the Supreme Court. I'm fine with requiring justices to disclose gifts (though there should be an exemption for small ones; no need to disclose every time a friend takes a justice out to dinner or the like). Indeed, I would go further and suggest large gifts should be banned outright. It also makes sense to require justices to "recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest." Justices already routinely recuse when there are financial conflicts. However, much depends on what qualifies as an "other conflict of interest." I don't think the mere fact that a spouse has been active on an issue in the political arena qualifies.
As for refraining from "political activity," it depends on what counts as such. Justices should not endorse or campaign for political candidates (to my knowledge, no modern justice has done that). On the other hand, it's fine for them to express views on various law and public policy issues. Both liberal and conservative justices routinely do so in variety of writings and speeches. For example, both Justice Gorsuch and Justice Sotomayor have publicly advocated policies to expand access to legal services. Such advocacy is a useful contribution to public discourse, and should not be banned, though I am no fan of Sotomayor's proposal to impose "forced labor" on lawyers (her term, not mine).
Finally, Biden doesn't say how the ethics code would be enforced, or what the penalties for violations would be. For obvious reasons, those details are extremely important.
In sum, all three of these proposals potentially have merit. But the details matter, and Biden hasn't given us much on that score.
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The OP's general remarks are appreciated. I don't agree with all of it but the general remarks are fine.
I don't expect President Biden to provide many details. He is broadly making proposals for discussion and to make them political issues in a presidential election year.
Ideally, more would have been done -- including congressional hearings -- after the Presidential Commission on SCOTUS (which had a range of members and witnesses) released its report.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/pcscotus/
Biden isn't serious. He's throwing out random meat to the plebs, without any real plans to follow up.
You do not seem to understand the culture war's winners.
Tell us again why you support a person who went to a third tier law school and failed the bar exam over an Ivy league graduate.
My, that is a rather elitist thing to say, isn’t it?
“UC Law SF” (fka Hastings) has never been Yale, but to be fair, I remember when it was consistently ranked in the US News & World Reports top 25. That was basically from when Kamala went there in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s. (It is now in the “top 100”, not sure why.)
Man, you're easily impressed. Trump not attending grad school or taking the Bar Exam is more impressive than Kamala attending law school and passing the Bar on the second try? I assume you never attended college, and certainly not grad school, or you wouldn't have failed to note that difference.
Democrats have made things difficult for themselves by calling the 18 years of active service "terms" and "term limits." That practically invites the Supreme Court to declare any statutory attempt to limit their active service unconstitutional.
We could give them a choice.
By statute, Congress could provide that, every two years, a new seat is added to the Supreme Court, regardless of who is in office and current vacancies. The statute would also provide that, at the same time the seat is added, the seat of the currently-serving justice with the then-longest tenure would be converted to "senior" status, akin to such status in the lower courts, with any seat vacated by a "senior" justice automatically eliminated. And then include a severance provision making clear that each of these provisions should be considered severable from one another, so that if one is deemed unconstitutional, the other should not be. Perhaps for good measure they could remove the statute from the Court's appellate jurisdiction.
That would present the currently-sitting members of the Court with a choice. They could:
- Accept the reform as enacted.
- Declare "senior" status provision unconstitutional, but allow the additional seat mechanism to stand as clearly constitutional in itself, resulting in a steadily-growing Supreme Court, with its size ultimately managed by justices' own voluntary decisions to step down.
- Ignore precedent and statutory severance language and declare the entire thing unconstitutional, thereby triggering a constitutional crisis.
- Declare both provisions unconstitutional as an attempt to influence the court and thus violating separation of powers and an independent judiciary.
A stretch perhaps, but definitely a possibility.
Still a constitutional crisis. Separation of powers counsels that Congress, not the Court, determines how many justices there are. The Constitution grants this power to it alone, and the Court isn't allowed to just seize it in the name of independence. Our Congress is dysfunctional but you can bet they'd jump on top of power grab like that, probably by impeaching anyone who signed on.
I think people who transparently want to trash the Supreme Court because they don’t like some of its recent decisions need to stop claiming that they are “defending democracy.” Trump could only aspire to do that much violence to our Constitutional order.
That being said, I would be willing to entertain the idea of term limits, though they should be very long ones in order to retain the court’s independence from the politics of the day. Since bending the court to the politics of the day is Biden’s clear objective here, I anticipate that no agreement will be reached on any “reforms” in the foreseeable future.
Biden seems to anticipate that, too, since he calls for a Constitutional amendment–something politicians do when they want to stake out a radical position but absolve themselves of actually getting it done, since amendments are (rightly) very difficult to pass and thus exceedingly rare.
Making SCOTUS ‘reform’ a plank in the platform of Kamala Harris, the most unserious major party nominee for president in history, should also do much to speed it on its way to the void.
Isn't in amazing how many people are concerned about SCOTUS "rewriting the law" but have no problems with the 1930s-1940s Court doing the exact same thing? It's almost like it's pure politics and they're upset that they had an 80 year sequence of wins that are now turning into losses.
As for the term limits amendment and ethics code, sure. But if we're doing that, it had better come with term limits and ethics codes for Congress. I'm fine with 12 years for both Senators and Representatives but could be persuaded otherwise.
The problem with Biden's proposal is that it would only take 10 years of to flip interpretation of the Constitution from an expansive interpretation of state power to limited state power and then back again. With life time in good standing terms it has taken half a century or more to trim government powers to that prior to the dominance of living constitutionalism that is necessary for believers that government needs to fix things to get to work fixing things wo/courts blocking them.
I didn't look to see where the amendment link went, just started reading. My first reaction was that they were really more than a little over the top in their hostility to Trump, and any ruling favoring him. And really didn't understand the Section 3 ruling. Then I looked. Oh, The Bulwark, of course...
That amendment:
"No officer of the United States, including the President and the Vice President, or a Senator or Representative in Congress, shall be immune from criminal prosecution for any violation of otherwise valid Federal law, nor for any violation of State law unless the alleged criminal act was authorized by valid Federal law, on the sole ground that their alleged criminal act was within the conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority of their office or related to their official duties.
The President shall have no power to grant a reprieve or pardon for offenses against the United States to himself or herself.
This amendment is self-executing, and Congress shall have the power to enact legislation to facilitate the implementation of this amendment."
My first impression is that this amendment would, as I parse it, permit Congress to enact laws directing officers in the other branches in detail how to execute their duties, on pain of criminal penalties. Facially, for instance, it would appear to allow Congress to enact a law directing how the President exercises his pardon power, making it a criminal offense to pardon anybody without first getting Congressional approval. Or prohibit convicting any member of Congress of any federal crime.
Both pardons and judicial rulings, after all, are exercises of " the conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority of their office", right? And that wouldn't be any basis for any immunity if the law got passed...
No problem with the pardon section, if not just that it didn't go far enough, should extend to the President's family, too. But I can understand why Democrats wouldn't want open that can of worms right now.
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No officer of the United States, including the President and the Vice President, or a Senator or Representative in Congress, shall be immune from criminal prosecution for any violation of otherwise valid Federal law, nor for any violation of State law unless the alleged criminal act was authorized by valid Federal law, on the sole ground that their alleged criminal act was within the conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority of their office or related to their official duties.
The Constitution never uses the word “federal.” Instead, it says “United States.” What is meant by “conclusive and preclusive”? What if the President, Vice President, or member of Congress thinks they are acting within their authority, but the Supreme Court later rules otherwise? May they be prosecuted for that act? If so, they would be afraid to do anything that is not clearly legal for fear that they would later be ruled to have acted illegally. What if a federal law authorizes the act, but that law is later ruled to be unconstitutional?
The President shall have no power to grant a reprieve or pardon for offenses against the United States to himself or herself.
The President and Vice President each commit federal crimes. The President invokes Section 3 of the 25th Amendment, making the Vice President the Acting President. The Acting President then pardons the President. The President reclaims his powers, as provided in Section 3, and then pardons the Vice President.
This proposal gives the illusion of being clear, but it’s actually quite vague. This vagueness would allow Congress to dominate the executive branch under Congress’s enforcement authority per this proposal.
Bad drafting is the norm for modern amendments.
First, because they're performative, not intended to ever become law, there's no real need for the language to be air tight.
Second, because only fellow partisans are involved in the drafting, I expect there's no red team looking for holes, gaming out how it could be evaded or abused.
Heck, sometimes the abuse potential IS the point of the exercise.
As always, Brett assumes that everything is easy and people who do a bad job are therefore acting in bad faith.
I looked over the amendments Democrats proposed to overturn Citizens United. Every one of them, without exception, would have allowed for extensive censorship of political speech. Censorship of political speech was the POINT of them.
It's hard to call it bad faith when they're so open about what they want.
What on earth does that have to do with anything? Now you're just saying you don't like the proposals — which for any normal person would indeed be hard to call bad faith.
But your previous comment made two claims, neither of which was "the amendments did things I wouldn't like." Rather, you said that proposed amendments were badly drafted for two reasons:
1) That they don't intend to enact these amendments and therefore don't care whether they're well-drafted; and
2) That they're not trying to figure out how to make them better because they're partisans, and also because they want the amendments to be abused.
Under their own proposed rules we should probably start arresting half the Dems. Both past and present.
“Facially, for instance, it would appear to allow Congress to enact a law directing how the President exercises his pardon power, making it a criminal offense to pardon anybody without first getting Congressional approval.”
Wrong, Brett. The second paragraph of the proposed amendment does not apply to any pardon other than a President’s self-pardon, and that would be prohibited with or without Congressional pre-approval.
I’m pretty obviously talking about the first section, there: Congress passes a law saying Presidents can’t pardon anybody without a vote of Congress approving of the pardon, and overrides the veto.
The President ignores this, and exercises his pardon power as all Presidents have.
Then the next President has the DOJ bring him up on felony charges. For simply exercising a power of his office.
Under this amendment, that pardons are purely a Presidential power would be no defense. Heck, per this amendment, Congress could make exercising the veto power a felony!
Because "I was just exercising the powers of my office!" isn't a defense, this amendment allows Congress to criminalize ANY Presidential action they want, not just 'corrupt' ones.
That would not be otherwise valid federal law, though.
The purpose of immunity is to keep such arguments from making it to trial in the first place.
As odious as Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich was, the pardon was not justiciable in court. And that is good.
There are strong arguments that in an ethical sense, Clinton obstructed justice in pardoning Rich. In a criminal sense, he is immune from such an argument. And that is good.
Other wise, a president may face prosecution for obstruction of justice if he pardons someone innocent yet unpopular.
I'm replying to Brett Bellmore's comment that Congress could make pardons illegal and have the President prosecuted for that pardon. Making pardons illegal would not be a valid federal law.
Could Clinton have been prosecuted over the Rich pardon? Maybe, but Israeli officials were pushing for that pardon, which alone might be reasonable doubt that it was an exercise in foreign relations and not for corrupt purposes. And of course, it was investigated, and apparently no illegality was found.
It would not NOW be a valid federal law. Ratify this amendment, and it would be. Because the only basis for striking that law down as unconstitutional would be that it attempts to control the President's exercise of a core power, and that's exactly the argument that the amendment prohibits.
If such an amendment were ratified, Congress wopuld not even need to make pardons illegal for pardons to create the risk of prosecution for a president.
All it would take is a prosecutor to argue that a pardon violates existing laws against obstruction of justice.
Pretty much. The proposed amendment is wildly radical in its implications.
Well, of course it is, keep in mind that the stuff the Court actually said Presidents had immunity for is stuff that Presidents had NEVER previously been prosecuted for, ever. The proverbial gunning somebody down on 5th avenue? They didn't provide THAT any protection at all.
The point of the amendment, thus, is to legitimize a radical change in legal practice that the Court put a stop to. It's inherently radical in its aims.
Any amendment Brett Bellmore doesn't like is automatically a radical change that would end the world.
All this amendment does is codify norms that existed before Trump. (Nixon didn't pardon himself before resigning, and no other previous president was seriously considered prosecutable.)
That's all the ruling did, actually.
No, every other court to consider the question had rejected it. Nobody believed that Richard Nixon could not have been prosecuted if he had not been pardoned. Trump is unique not for the actions of others but for the crimes he committed.
It prohibits the president from violating valid federal laws. The proposed amendment does not repeal the president's pardon power except with regard to himself, to the same extent that the 14th amendment does not repeal the pardon power (if the president pardons some people and not everybody, that's an equal protection of the law violation, which would be the sort of stupid argument that a 19th century Brett Bellmore would have made). So a law controlling pardon power would not be valid; the amendment does not give Congress power to make valid laws that it could not previously make. (Indeed, they could not make a law permitting the president to pardon himself if this were ratified.)
No, it doesn't. It prohibits the claim that the former president is immune from prosecution, not that a given law is unconstitutional. Those are two entirely different concepts, even if they sometimes cause the situation to wind up with the same outcome.
Tons of powers can be abused, Brett.
Court packing, jurisdiction stripping, declaring something an emergency when it’s not, refusing the count the electoral votes, etc. etc.
‘oh what if this insane thing happens then we’ll be in the soup’ is not how you make policy; it’s how you argue for stasis out of outcome-oriented risk aversion.
FJB ordering OSHA to violate "My Body, My Choice" via an emergency temporary standard was clearly an abuse of power.
It was not a crime, though. While the order to OSHA exceeded its statutory authority, it did not violate any clearly established criminal law. Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800, 818 (1982).
"My first impression is that this amendment would, as I parse it, permit Congress to enact laws directing officers in the other branches in detail how to execute their duties"
Congress can already do this with anything except plenary powers, and is not allowed to regulate such. Nothing in this would make such laws valid, and the one you describe would be vulnerable to a facial challenge. The President wouldn't enjoy immunity, but the law would be void.
Ok Ilya. How about we start by locking up Joe Biden for the mishandling of classified materials?
He's an Old Man! Varoom! He's Confused! Varoom!
Dear obvious MAGA twat:
Why would we start with Biden?
Please be more detailed in your reply than you've thus far managed to be in your partisan whining.
Because his occured prior to Trump's
Great point!
The whole point of the way the Supreme Court was designed as Professor Constitutional Scholar should know, was as a slow moving counterweight to popular passion. That the SC sometimes disgrees with Twitter blue check opinion polls is a feature not a bug
If we’ve suddenly decided America should be run purely by majoritianism we should just go all the way and abolish all politicians and direct vote on everything with everybody in the world eligible to cast a vote.
Maybe if everybody (significantly more than just half) consistently disagreed with the Court for a long period of time (many years rather than just over some recent kerfuffle over killing babies) or if its opponents could show that their criticism did not directly stem from being butthurt on the usual major partisan wedge issues we’d have something to talk about. But none of the above is the case.
This doesn't have much to do with ethics laws, or people's view of the Court's ethics.
It only matters now that there's a con majority.
Do you think that will always be the case?
"If we’ve suddenly decided America should be run purely by majoritianism we should just go all the way and abolish all politicians and direct vote on everything with everybody in the world eligible to cast a vote."
Nah, they don't REALLY want that.
1. a constitutional amendment denying the president immunity for crimes committed while in office
This is not a “Supreme Court Reform.” It’s a reversal of a Supreme Court decision.
2. Biden has focused on ideas that are generally popular…. while avoiding the much less popular (and very dangerous) idea of court-packing.
Oh dear. A binding ethics code IS a court packing scheme. The whole point is to force members of the current conservative majority to recuse, or resign. Not a word would have been heard about any of these schemes if six of the nine current Justices had been appointed by Clinton, Obama and Biden.
3. The Supreme Court has become highly unpopular. Currently, it only has an approval rating of about 36%...., with about 56% disapproving. Targeting the Court might be good politics…
Nah. The Supreme Court is unpopular with different people for different reasons (just like Congress.) Some would like SCOTUS to be less conservative, some would like it to be more conservative. There isn’t middle ground that a substantial majority supports.
Even term limits would get nowhere once the GOP points out that it’s going to support term limits that apply only with respect to Justices appointed ten years or more after ratification. Long enough into the future for it to be unclear which team might get a tactical advantage from it. That’s no use to the Dems at all.
4. Prof Somin’s piece is thick with Biden this and Biden that. The article just appears under his name. Is there anyone on the planet who thinks he actually wrote it, or has even thought these thoughts ?
#1 can be both
It could be, if the amendment amended a Supreme Court decision about the Supreme Court - eg its powers, term of office, remuneration, place of business, jurisdiction etc. But this one isn't. It's about Presidential immunity.
"This is not a “Supreme Court Reform.” It’s a reversal of a Supreme Court decision."
"Supreme Court reform" is just code for reversing decisions they don't like, and preventing any future decisions they won't like ("they" referring to either party, whichever happens to be proposing reform at the time)
You believe that only people committed to some bullshit political party are the only ones who believe SCOTUS is out of control and clearly violating ethical norms that no other judge would get away with?
Pretty much.
Yes. Without question.
I'm sure they do.
I assure you that the list of decisions they don't like is a bit longer than the list of reforms in this proposed amendment.
That is true. But in fact the real purpose of the package of proposed "Supreme Court Reforms" has nothing to do with the structure of the Supreme Court per se, but about changing the decisions it makes.
The tell is that one of the three "Supreme Court Reforms" is indeed simply a reversal of a SC decision (about Presidential immunity) and has squat to do with reforming the Supreme Court itself.
They show us the true target by actually shooting off one of their arrows directly at it.
It is a bit pointless.
While Trumpism lives, there will be no fiddling with the golden goose.
The proposed language of the amendment is good, but I would add a provision stating that the statute of limitations for any criminal charge would be tolled for the time a person serves as president.
Annoyingly, Biden doesn’t tell us whether term limits should be enacted by amendment or statute.
You go with the lowest common denominator and then the people who actually have to do the hard work will work on the details.
Even if this was a statute — and I am dubious about it being one — he wouldn’t be around to sign the bill.
The immunity amendment proposal looks good though as the OP notes it is not the official proposal of Democrats or the like. A fraction of the Democratic caucus signed on.
No one really believes Joe Biden wrote this. One has to wonder if it was even done with his knowledge.
It sounds very much like an endorsement of the grossly unconstitutional Supreme Court Term Limits and Regular Appointments Act, introduced in the House in 2021. By its terms, a President will pick a new justice at the beginning in the first and third year of his term. This new justice would replace the seniormost justice, who would be pushed into senior status. (With nine justices, this functionally serves as an 18-year term.)
I imagine the legal rationale would be that is a proper exercise under Congress' "jurisdiction stripping" powers, but rather than stripping the entire Court of jurisdiction to hear a case, it would be stripping particular justices of jurisdiction to hear a case. That is pretty thin. The bill also states that the Senate waives its right to advise and consent if it fails to act within 120 days. I can't imagine even a weak constitutional argument for this provision.
Haha, yeah no one thinks Trump or Obama penned their own press releases or EO's either.
Ohh, it was a Biden old age shot.
Some folks really can't let go.
It's not about Biden's old age; it's about his senility. Old people in possession of their mental faculties are perfectly capable of writing. We have no idea if this editorial even mirrors Biden's thoughts, insofar as he can even form them.
Yes, I am uncomfortable with having a President who is non compos mentis. I understand that you are not, and, as I have told you on previous occasions, in a way, I envy your childlike bliss on this topic and so many others.
Weirdly, I've never heard you raise this complaint about the candidate in the race who has been that way for eight years.
Have you ever looked up the average lifespan after a dementia diagnosis? The idea that Trump had it 8 years ago is absurd.
Dementia isn't the only cause of non compos mentis. Trump has been suffering from [whatever he has] for as long as anyone can recall. My guess is since childhood--that's usually when the main damage is done.
Suffering from "disagreeing with Democrats"itis.
He "suffers from" narcissism which is a personality trait, not a mental illness or deficiency.
>The bill also states that the Senate waives its right to advise and consent if it fails to act within 120 days. I can’t imagine even a weak constitutional argument for this provision.
I thought the executive consolidating power was one of the things we wanted to stop the evil Project 2025 from doing. I guess they changed their minds a couple weeks ago.
Since at least 2021, if you believe Wolf?
"Justices should not endorse or campaign for political candidates (to my knowledge, no modern justice has done that)."
But justices have voiced anti-endorsements, such as the critical comments about Trump made by Ruth Ginsburg in 2016. See https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/12/politics/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-faker/index.html.
True.
So, you're still against it, right?
I am indeed. Is there an affidavit to this effect I should sign?
The "two new Justices per Presidential term" proposal could have interesting effects on Presidential elections.
Currently the possibility of filling a Supreme Court seat or two is a campaign issue but usually not a big one because such opportunities are, usually, not a certainty. With two open seats (and perhaps occasionally more depending on how seats vacated via impeachment/conviction, death, or retirement before their 18 year term is up are handled) being guaranteed, the obvious question each candidate would be asked and reasonably expected to answer is "If elected, who, precisely, will you nominate to fill your two guaranteed Supreme Court vacancies?". This would move "Supreme Court nominations" way up the list of things that voters are considering seriously in evaluating a candidate - probably below active wars or a bad economy but perhaps above most everything else.
This would further politicize the court in the public's view.
Perhaps we should instead amend the Constitution to instead allow the voters to elect two Supreme Court Justices for 18 year terms in Presidential election years using a system mirroring the EC and eliminate Senate confirmation for Justices (maybe keep the impeachment capability for the seats, but on impeachment and conviction the vacant seat could remain open until the next Presidential term). People could run for these offices, raise campaign funds, explain their judicial philosophy, etc. to win over voters. Why not go all in with politicization and give up on the charade of a nonpartisan Supreme Court?
Okay, let's see which proposal wins.
How about expanding that "ethics code" to all elected or appointed or hired government officials? I could get behind that, while you're at it lets ban congress from stock trading and investment while they sit in office. If that's considered too strict, I would say "well, that gives them some incentive to move out of public life after a term or two so they can engage in making some coin."
Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch
This page provides the ethics laws and regulations that apply to all employees of the executive branch. Federal employees seeking advice on these laws and rules should contact their agency ethics officials.
The Fourteen General Principles (PDF)
Full Text of the Standards of Conduct
Summary of the Standards of Conduct (PDF)
Compilation of Federal Ethics Laws (PDF)
Summary of the Conflict of Interest Laws (PDF)
https://www.oge.gov/web/oge.nsf/resources_standards-of-conduct
And how many members of Congress does that cover?
Google something sometime.
Congress also has a code. Probably the Senate too.
https://ethics.house.gov/publications/code-official-conduct
Do you think I’m against restrictions on Congress doing stock trading?
If we're going to prohibit active stock trading and investment by members of Congress, we need to figure out how to deal with their existing investments. If we're going to require them to liquidate their holdings and put the proceeds in a blind trust, then we need to shield them from capital-gains taxes arising from that liquidation, while preserving the old basis for the assets in the blind trust.
We already have tax breaks for at least some government officials who sell their assets for ethics reasons.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/business/dealbook/for-trumps-wealthy-cabinet-prospect-of-a-sweet-tax-break.html
I'll believe in the efficacy of term limits for judges (beyond during "good behaviour") when Congress and the People first pass an amendment limiting Congressional terms.
Reminder that the vast majority of Biden's 51 year career in politics was served in the Senate. Sounds mainly like sour grapes by an old codger being unceremoniously shown the door...
That… doesn't make any sense at all. Members of Congress only get to serve two years. Then they have to get re-elected. Members of the Court get to serve until they die, with no provision for replacing them before. See the difference?
Following Watergate Sen. Walter Mondale wrote a book 'The Accountability of Power'. I read it and thought there were good ideas in there. A little later Mondale became Vice-President, and I never any more about those ideas presented in that book.
Of course Illlllya would be for fascist solutions offered by the left.
A new justice joining the Court every two years, of course, necessarily also means a justice leaving the Court every two years. The new justice would displace the longest-serving justice, who would be pushed into senior status.
As chance would have it, the three longest-serving justices are currently Republican appointees. One might be pardoned his cynicism if he believed Democrats wouldn't be as keen on this plan if the three longest-serving justices were Democrat appointees.
1) Presumably if such a reform were ever ratified the existing members of the court would be grandfathered in.
2) As chance would have it, we don't know who would get to appoint any of their replacements, anyway. Could be D, could be R, could be RFKJ. (Okay, I kid about the last one.)
"Presumably"? Presumed by whom?
It's rather pointless to discuss a plan that's never going to happen, but this is simply just the Supreme Court Term Limits and Regular Appointments Act of 2021. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5140.
Nobody is grandfathered in. But even if some hypothetical future plan did so, that is beside the point. This is not a real proposal, but a political tactic to excite the base. Which justice do leftists hate more than any other? The one who's been there the longest, and under this plan, would be forcibly retired in eight months or so. Sure, they'd strongly prefer a Democrat to replace him, but just having him gone would be pretty good consolation prize. It's just a Pavlovian bell really.
I mean, me. Did you read my post?
Were you under the impression that legislation introduced in Congress is generally passed verbatim as introduced, without any markup or amendment?
The bill does grandfather in existing justices:
You read the bill Wolf cited? That's hardly cricket!
18-year terms, staggered with one coming up every two years, seems like a good idea. To do away with the (not unreasonable) objection that the measure’s being proposed to change the composition of the current court to something more progressive-friendly, I’d suggest that the amendment include a provision that it not take effect for some span of years after its ratification by the states—say, ten or twenty; at which point the longest-serving Justice would be retired and a new one appointed. Since we have no idea what the Court’s ideological balance will be in 2044, members of Congress won’t have an incentive to vote for or against the amendment based on how it’ll affect their side.
I’d also suggest that, at the same time that a Justice is appointed, a “vice-justice” be appointed by the same President, with the same Senate confirmation required. If that Justice dies or otherwise leaves the bench before the end of the 18-year term, the VJ would automatically finish the term. Also, if the Justice can’t sit on a case due to a conflict of interest or the like, the VJ would step in for that particular case. In that way, a Justice’s recusal would presumably have little effect on the balance of the Court. The Justice would thus have less incentive to resist recusal when a genuine conflict exists; and partisan actors would have less incentive to find flimsy pretexts to call for Justices to recuse themselves.
Of course, there’s the problem of a hostile Senate refusing to confirm nominee after nominee; and the parallel problem of the President naming one unacceptable nominee after another. Wiser heads than mine will have to figure out how to deal with that one.
That's absurdly gimmicky. Nobody is going to be a standby for 18 years.
Presumably they'd be an existing judge, and they'd just keep being an existing judge, knowing that they had a potential promotion looming over them. So the idea isn't absurd, or at least not for that reason.
I agree with your recusal analysis.
And since we’re doing a constitutional amendment there’s no reason why the Justice himself should not be given the power to appoint the Vice Justice “at the Justice's pleasure.”
So no 18 year standyby is required, as Nieporent fears. They can be swapped out whenever the Justice feels like it.
"the problem of a hostile Senate refusing to confirm nominee after nominee; and the parallel problem of the President naming one unacceptable nominee after another."
The ancient method used to force the College of Cardinals to pick a pope might be effective. Lock the President and the Senate together in the Senate chamber, with some bottled water and chamber pots, until they announce a name.
If we're doing constitutional amendments anyway, we could and maybe should cut Congress and the Prez out of it entirely. Define some largish pool of nominees, for example one nomination made by each state supreme court, then pick one from the pool by lottery. Maybe (maybe) allow Congress to vote down the pick by 2/3 vote just in case some true outlier gets drawn.
I highly doubt that President Biden himself wrote any of this, or is even aware of what it says. Biden is a figurehead, nothing more. I don’t see any virtue in investing any time in this unserious proposal.
If Biden had not debated, and had Trump not been shot in the ear, do you think Biden would still be in the race, and would his circle still be propping him up by claiming he leaps over cars before breakfast for fun? I think the answer is yes.
So why is this proposal not being issued by Harris? She is the presumptive nominee, not Biden. The only thing Harris seems to be trusted with making are YouTube advertisements asking for donations.
The Democratic Party has a lot of problems right now. Perhaps they should hire Jordan Peterson to give one of his “clean up your damn room” speeches as a pep talk, instead of floating wacky ideas about fixing the courts.
It's just so unfair!
"In his conspiracy-filled rant, Trump claimed the president never had COVID, he is not running the country, and Democrats stole the primary race from him. He also bestowed a nickname upon his apparent new opponent: Lyin' Kamala Harris. Within 24 hours of Biden dropping out, Democrats coalesced around Harris and began backing her as the presidential frontrunner. Trump did not appear happy about the Democrats' pivot, complaining on social media that his campaign has to "start all over."
"So, we are forced to spend time and money on fighting Crooked Joe Biden, he polls badly after having a terrible debate, and quits the race," Trump said. "Shouldn’t the Republican Party be reimbursed for fraud in that everybody around Joe, including his doctors and the Fake News Media, knew he was not capable of running for, or being, President? Just askin’?""
Two things: first a Binding SCOTUS Ethics Code and second, SCOTUS Expansion/Term Limits. Since this would otherwise be a very, very long comment, I’ll put those into two replies to this comment.
But before that, two things applicable to both. First, References:
Second, many people say this doesn’t matter, because it’s obvious SCOTUS would certainly find any such congressional action unconstitutional. But…note that the Exceptions & Regulations clause in the last sentence of the Article 3, Section 2, clause 2 quote above, grants Congress (theoretically) the power to, for most matters, bound the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction (it’s been done before, without controversy). So…
A Modest Proposal: Include a “such Exception” removing from the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction (e.g., not subject to SCOTUS adjudication), new SCOTUS ethics, term limits, or court expansion legislation.
The sole purpose president’s proposal today is just to get serious discussion started. Any results will be many years from now. Still, how’s that for a shift in the Separation of Powers? (Mainly back to Article 1 Congress, mainly from Article 3 Judiciary.) So, on to our two topics (cont.)
1. Impose a Binding SCOTUS Ethics Code
Article 3 explicitly gives Congress the authority to “ordain and establish” the framework, rules, and practices of the federal judiciary system, including SCOTUS when exercising “appellate Jurisdiction” (that is, all cases not involving formally appointed representatives of other countries, or U.S. States as a party”) “…with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.”
Under this Exceptions & Regulations clause, Congress already legislated a binding ethics code under which both federal judges and SCOTUS justices are already subject to laws on conflict of interest and recusal:
The new recently released SCOTUS ethics code parallels this but without 28 USC § 455’s enforcement mechanism: a process to bring potential violations to a 3rd-party panel for investigation and possible action. Per 28 U.S. Code § 331, that 3rd-party is the Judicial Conference of the United States, chaired by the Chief Justice; there seems little objection to it.
So, Congress can easily clarify all this by simply drafting new legislation replacing the new SCOTUS Ethics Code’s shoulds, with musts & shalls; and adding 3rd-party enforcement, essentially creating a Regulation under Article 3’s “such Exceptions & Regulations” clause.
2. SCOTUS Expansion/Term Limits.
Last week (and how long ago does that feel?), a Washington Post editorial called the idea of Supreme Court expansion in reaction to The GOP’s hypocritical, manipulative, distortion of the last two SCOTUS appointments:
I'm sure you always agree with the WaPo and, indeed, it may be the second-worst option. The worst, however is accepting the court politicization that already happened, as fait accompli.
OK, we can't predict the full impact of Supreme Court enlargement. However, two seemingly radical ideas implemented concurrently—term limits plus a larger court—counterintuitively might make court expansion seem less radical. That is, allowing every President to appoint multiple Justices, might reduce future pressure to repeatedly increase SCOTUS size.
I’ve long supported staggered 18-year SCOTUS terms (no matter which party was in control of government), allowing all Presidents to nominate two new Justices during the first and third years of their terms. The certainty of one new Justice every other year balances change and continuity, leaving a still independent court less isolated from evolution in societal principles.
As for expansion, consider that at one time there was a Federal Circuit for each Supreme Court Justice (who had oversight responsibility for that circuit). So, to match the coincidental current total of 13 Federal Circuits, how about a Supreme Court of 13 Justices, returning to the original construction of one Justice per Circuit? This would give some precedence for the action and provide rationale beyond the pure political play, while helping to restore the tradition of non-partisanship destroyed by McConnell's bad faith.
That second idea is certainly constitutional and the first, arguably so (it's not had to find strong, well-reasoned arguments for both sides).
So Folks, don’t give up on these.
So is this the point we just all ignore that Joe Biden is mentally incompetent and anything he signs would probably not be legally binding in a court of law?
Who is putting the comments on the teleprompter for him to read? Does he even know what he is saying.? Yesterday, he called himself the former president and the media just yawns. He practically threatened the speaker of the House and it is also ignored.
Our nation has gone bat shit crazy, we are being governed by "who know who", and the law professors here just treat it as totally normal as they sit in their faculty lounges and discuss which policies would be best to promote more government control over the masses.
It does seem so unfair. Trump spent six years running against Joe (and sometimes Hunter and Jill) Biden, and now he has to “start all over". And who's going to give him all your money back?
Cindy is a big fan of alternative facts and alternative constitutions.