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Professor Quits Because Some Students Have Bad Beliefs
I read with interest Mauricio Karchmer's Why I Quit My Dream Job at MIT, published Tuesday in The Free Press; but its perspective struck me as rather alien to the very nature of a modern secular American university.
The author begins by pointing to what he sees as MIT's inadequate condemnation of the Hamas attack; some students' "chant[ing] 'Free Palestine' and 'From the river to the sea' with fury and at times glee, like they were reciting catchy songs instead of slogans demanding the erasure of the Jewish people"; several colleagues' "endorsing this behavior"; and the upset this caused to Jewish and Israeli students. But eventually he offers this as the main reason for quitting:
Over 65 percent of students from each MIT undergraduate class—or around 800 students—enroll in my Introduction to Algorithms course every year. When I looked at the names of the leaders of some of the most violent anti-Israel groups on our campus, I found a handful of my students on the list. Then I found out that one of my former teaching assistants—a bright young woman—was one of the organizers of the Coalition Against Apartheid and helped bring Mohammed El-Kurd to campus.
I loved my job. But I realized there and then I could no longer train kids in algorithms, knowing they might one day spread this ideology even further through their advanced knowledge. I knew I could no longer be a part of a system that foments antisemitism. In late November, I sat on the ferry I used to take from MIT's campus back home and decided that I should resign. I have worked hard throughout my professional life to have choices, so I have the luxury of acting on my principles. A few weeks later, on December 13, I handed in my resignation to the head of the department.
My letter stated, in part: "I cannot continue teaching Algorithms to those who lack the most basic critical thinking skills or emotional intelligence. Nor can I teach those who condemn my Jewish identity or my support for Israel's right to exist in peace with its neighbors." …
MIT's mission is to train the next generation of leaders. But right now, I'm terrified of the thought that today's students could lead anything in the future.
Now, of course, if he doesn't want to teach at MIT any more, he has every right to make that choice. But when has there been a rule that professors should expect to teach only morally good students and not morally bad students? What would we think of a professor who quit because there were some anti-abortion or anti-affirmative-action or anti-transgender-athletes-on-women's-sports-teams students in her class, and she just can't teach students whom she perceives as so sexist, racist, transphobic, etc.? I'd think we'd say: The university is, and should be, a place for people with many different moral views to learn. I'd say the same to the author here.
From the article, it sounds to me that the author wasn't just seeking statements from the university, or university programs that seek to decrease the amount of harshly anti-Israel sentiment, or even university rules that punish students for expressing the view that "Israel doesn't have a right to exist." Indeed, he's not even complaining that most students at MIT take such views; he was pointing to "a handful" of his many students, plus one former teaching assistant. He's saying that he refuses to teach at MIT simply because there are some anti-Israel (and, in his view, anti-Semitic) students present in his classes. (The subtitle, "I refuse to teach students who lack basic critical thinking skills—or who condemn my Jewish identity," reflects that.)
How can any secular American university prevent there being such students? Indeed, even religious universities that demand adherence to statements of faith can't assure faculty that all the students will agree on those very statements, since there's always a risk that some students might hide their views in order to get an education. But of course MIT, like UCLA or USC or any other secular university will be a place where there are people who hold all sorts of views, including views that some might think are evil (indeed, views that most of us agree are evil). What are universities supposed to do? Kick them all out, not even because of what they publicly say but just because of what they believe?
Yes, it's true that some of those students "might" use "their advanced knowledge"—whether of algorithms, lawyering, or whatever else—to "one day spread [their] ideology even further." Yes, it's true that some of them might lack "critical thinking skills or emotional intelligence," at least about their own particular blind spots (like all of us likely do about blind spots of our own). Yes, it's true that some of them might disapprove of the teacher's "identity" (whether Jewish or Muslim or Catholic or evangelical Christian or whatever else). So?
Indeed, what job can satisfy someone with such demanding standards? He can't teach at an Israeli university, because there too some of the students might be pro-Hamas. Presumably he can't write books educating students about algorithms, since surely some of his readers might be anti-Israel or pro-Hamas (or outright anti-Semites or racists or sexists or whatever else). Presumably he can't return to finance, at least if he has large institutional clients such as retirement plans; after all, some of the people whose assets he'd grow might use that money to donate to various evil schemes.
Now perhaps his reasoning was something like this: I had a job in the business world that paid me very well. I took a pay cut to work at MIT, because I was excited about sharing knowledge with the younger generation. (I'm just guessing at this, but so far it's consistent with what many people do.) But now that I see how awful some members of the younger generation are, the costs and benefits of an MIT job come out the other way. I'll just go back into the private sector, and if some bad people profit from what I do for them, at least I'll be making really good money doing that.
Yet even that would strike me as odd. If one finds joy in helping pass along the aggregate knowledge of mankind, does it really make sense to sour on that just because some small fraction of the students are morally benighted? Again, if that's indeed his personal choice, I don't begrudge him whatever reason for what is, after all, a decision about his own career. But it's just not the sort of choice that strikes me as likely to be common, or to tell us much about how to organize a modern university.
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In specific situations one might not want to impart specific knowledge to specific people but this seems too general a view.
The situation reminds me of the construction of the law against providing material support to a terrorist organization. The law also prohibits giving advice you might think would make terrorists less terroristic, like telling them how to negotiate a peace treaty. Any specialized knowledge or skill is off limits.
I'll go one step further -- it's like asking a Polish professor to teach actual (German national) Nazis circa 1940. These people are already belligerents against his home country and make it very clear that they intend to be at war with the USA as well at some point -- and have no business being educated by an American Land Grant College (which MIT is).
They have no business being in the country and MIT is only tolerating their thuggery because they can afford to pay full sticker price. There can be no excuse for what MIT is doing.
And I wonder where the hell the US Government is on any of this. What ever happened to concepts of National Security and limiting technology transfer to hostile powers?
"and MIT is only tolerating their thuggery because they can afford to pay full sticker price."
You'd like to think that's the only reason, but I'm not that optimistic.
You're probably right, MIT went to the dark side about 15 years ago.
But a LOT of stuff, both there and across the river at Northeastern, is about the money they can bring in educating rich International students from countries that do not like America.
More horse vomit from Mr. Ed
They are not "only tolerating" this, they are actively endorsing it. When microaggressions that make someone feel bad are cause for sanctions but endorsing genocide is not you've moved a bit beyond tolerance.
When microaggressions that make someone feel bad are cause for sanctions but endorsing genocide is not you’ve moved a bit beyond tolerance.
When microaggressions that make someone feel bad are cause for sanctions but endorsing genocide is not you’ve moved a bit beyond tolerance.
When microaggressions that make someone feel bad are cause for sanctions but endorsing genocide is not you’ve moved a bit beyond tolerance.
When microaggressions that make someone feel bad are cause for sanctions but endorsing genocide is not you’ve moved a bit beyond tolerance.
When microaggressions that make someone feel bad are cause for sanctions but endorsing genocide is not you’ve moved a bit beyond tolerance.
This sums it up quite well, back through the three presidents’ testimonies, as to why it sits uneasily.
While there *were* Communist students and professors in the 1950s, anyone care to speculate on what would have happened if they had come out into the open and merely started waving the Soviet flag on campus?
How is this different?
I'm all for free speech FOR AMERICANS but if you come here as a guest, you don't get to call for our death. Not without us shipping you back home...
Is there some reason Dr. Ed thinks that the pro-Hamas people at MIT are all foreign students?
Yes, because he is a bigoted know-nothing. As we call them, a Masshole.
You mean aside from Harvard giving concern about hurting their visa status as a reason for lax enforcement?
That was MIT that said that, but it was also a general statement, not about any specific people. Do you think there aren't oodles of leftist Americans who support Hamas?
Mr Ed, you actually have no business mouthing off with no evidence in a way which demeans an institution that has contributed so much science and technology to the people of the US.
+1 Thank you for stating this clearly.
Don't remind me of that. I was on the litigation team that argued that the training and education provisions of that law were unconstitutional. We lost, badly.
Really? MIT and dream job in the same sentence?
Sure, at least for people whose life peak wasn't "one season second-stringer on their high school football team".
Hear, hear
Technically a former professor not in a tenure track job when he resigned:
This doesn't affect the right and wrong of the situation.
Lots of faculty layoffs circa 1990 -- it's when the bottom fell out after the baby boomers aged out. He may have been TT but saw the writing on the wall and better opportunities in finance, which was booming then.
"If one finds joy in helping pass along the aggregate knowledge of mankind, does it really make sense to sour on that just because some small fraction of the students are morally benighted? "
If someone is planning to use the knowledge that I teach them in order to destroy others, then yeah I'm on the side of just not teaching them at all. Let someone else have that on their conscience. I wonder if the fight instructors for the 9/11 terrorists had a hard time sleeping after that day?
I imagine that they probably did have trouble once they realized that they had taught them the skills that enabled their plans. But they don’t actually have any responsibility, in my opinion. If it is not their job to do background checks on students before teaching them to fly commercial planes, then how should they have acted differently?
I took from it he was teaching at the premier technical university, and grads go on to be movers and shakers, dragging their philosophy with them.
You don't have to go that far -- the woman in Portland, ME who let Mohammed Atta onto the plane that then connected at Logan comes to immediate mind, she reportedly said that he had the face of ultimate evil.
No sane country teaches it's sworn enemies how to kill its citizens.
MIT went over to the dark side about a decade ago and it needs to be dealt with.
MIT went over to the dark side about a decade ago and it needs to be dealt with.
WTF are you talking about, you clueless idiot?
MIT is the premier engineering school in the country, possibly the world, and you think "it needs to be dealt with"
How?? What other schools "need to be dealt with" so your ignorant fellow-RWNJ's won't have to deal with actual educated people?
Attorneys are not the only ones not always free to tell everything they know, but let me say this -- you can tell a lot about where an institution is going by who in the middle level administration starts looking for a new job.
Now answer this: Does a land-grant college (founded with public monies) and which benefits from a great public largess (both in cash and kind, i.e. tax exemptions) have a duty not to enable our enemies?
I'll take "Stuff Grampa Ed pulled out of his posterior" for $500, Alex.
You can tell a lot by going to USASPending.gov and seeing that MIT is doing fine, the US government values their work, and your dark intimations are sourcless and likely fictional.
I'm with this guy. If you've got reason to believe that some of your students will use the knowledge you're imparting to evil ends, that's absolutely a reason to refuse to impart it to them.
And if the school you're working at won't let you opt out of teaching (What you suspect will be) future terrorists and mass murderers, maybe that's not a place you want to be teaching at.
The general background rate of immoral assholes in the population means your logic requires no one teach anything technical ever.
There's a difference between a chemistry teacher knowing that there's some background level of poisoners in the population, and a chemistry teacher knowing that specific students are discussing poisoning people.
And there's a difference between a chemistry teacher knowing that specific students are discussing poisoning people and what the professor described here. You're stretching ridiculously far, Brett. I'm rarely in agreement with Sarc but he has you on this one.
1) What is the difference? The practical upshot seems the same.
2) I don't follow your reasoning that an organizer of the Coalition Against Apartheid will necessarily do more than just protest a lot.
Gaslight0, do you remember South Africa, circa 1985?
MIT is weird because it and Cornell are *private* land grant colleges but let's keep this simple and stay with public universities.
Was there any public university (a) accepting large number of White South African students in the 1980s and (b) permitting them to form "Apartied is Good" clubs that were (c) publicly despising Blacks?
OF COURSE NOT -- and how is this any different?
Oh, and South Africa was an ally during the then-ongoing Cold War -- the ANC was with the Soviets. As were the Palestinians....
1) The practical upshot is that the statistical information is telling you that the odds of any of your students being poisoners is actually extremely low. While individualized information about particular students might tell you the exact opposite.
Rational people set aside statistical generalizations when they have individualized information available to them.
2) "Necessarily" set the threshold for action awfully high.
I don't think there is an established higher statistical likelihood in this specific case, so don't cloak your vibes-based sense as though it's scientific.
Protesting against Israel is wrong and shitty; you have done zero work to establish a higher statistical likelihood of using algorithms for evil.
This is where your argument is going off the rails. People that are calling what is happening in Gaza genocide, calling Israel’s policies toward Palestinians apartheid, and calling for justice are not talking about poisoning people or anything like that. Despite it being in the news and commentary regularly, I still don’t know enough context to judge whether people using “from the river to the sea” are really calling for the elimination of Israel, and I don’t much care. It looks to me like it has become a slogan divorced from past meaning at this point.
There are points of view strongly critical of the government of Israel, current and past, that warrant consideration and not blanket charges of antisemitism. I hold some of those views myself and have expressed them here before.
This professor is setting a bad example. He is taking his ball and going home rather that thinking about what the students he views as being immoral really believe. He is failing his own test for critical thinking that he wants to hold his former students to.
Ilya would say he's "foot voting."
He's teaching finance to future terrorists -- finance is probably a more useful skill than bomb making.
"Put them in boxcars", similarly, is just a euphemism for moving some Jews gently to other places?
The irony is that it once was considered perfectly acceptable (and often preferable) to transport soldiers in boxcars. This put an end to that...
Or the finish of WWII in Europe put an end to that... maybe. How confident are you that Russia hasn't transported soldiers by less-than-first-class rail accommodations in their invasion of Ukraine?
I have little doubt that military necessity would not yield to "more stuff Grampa Ed pulled out of his posterior" if the right circumstances were to arise, including for the US Armed Forces.
“Put them in boxcars”, similarly, is just a euphemism for moving some Jews gently to other places?
Is anyone in talking about boxcars here? I don't get how this responds to anything I said.
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Why should anyone care?
He seems to be positioned to survive the departure.
MIT was a strong school before this instructor arrived and will be one of America's strongest research and teaching institutions after he leaves.
I must agree with you on that comment. I agree with EV that there is no way to keep closet anti-semites (or other "bad guys") out of our universities: that is the price of living in a free society
I also don't quite believe the OP writer that his decision was driven by just a few "bad" students. The large eruption of anti-semitism on the MIT campus was discouraging to many faculty and staff, and it was deeply threatening a a not small number of Jews and Israelis on campus. I respect the disillusionment of the many who were shocked and even frightened by the degree support for Hamas even before the IDF began military operations against and in Gaza.
Don, this is probably the only time I'll ever agree with you, but what happened at MIT was worse than you even state -- MIT refused to enforce its own rules against the radical Muslims because "they might be deported" if it did.
Remember that it gave a "thou shalt not" ultimatum about building takeover and a few other things, it clearly said "if you don't stop, those of you involved will be suspended" and then it changed its mind. That's unforgivable -- as was its approach of telling the Jews to hide -- no, you request assistance from the Cambridge Police if need be, but you make it safe for everyone on that campus.
Imagine if the Massachusetts Alliance of College Republican Clubs (there is such a thing) were to have a "We Hate Fags" rally on the MIT campus and MIT's response was to tell the gays & lesbians to simply hide in the library. Then imagine that after telling the MACR to leave campus or be arrested, it changed its mind because it didn't want to see these nice young men having criminal records.
The bleep would hit the fan.
The MCAD (Mass Commission Against Discrimination) would hit MIT with a massive fine, ED-OCR would start an investigation, and the top administration would be fired inside the week. For starters.
How was this different?
It wasn't *just* an eruption of antisemitism -- it included violence and threats thereof.
I suspect that Karchmer has been unhappy with the situation at MIT for several years whether it was the anti-semitism or the general wokeness of the administration or some other issue that has been brewing for several years. The post oct 7 activity on campus was either the final trigger or an opportunity for a convenient stated reason, not necessarily the real reason for his resignation. That being said, the behavior and attitude of the administration and students in support of hamas is despicable
re: "teaching (What you suspect will be) future terrorists and mass murderers"
from a 2002 Weekly Standard article:
“[A] professor of literature at the University of Paris was unable to teach the works of Primo Levi (including the Auschwitz memoir If This Is a Man), because his Arab students booed him out of the classroom.”
Since 2002, France has seen a number of terrorist attacks. Were some of them perpetrated by the intolerant literature students?
Readers seeking to engage Brett in this thread should do so with the awareness that Brett believes that "woke" college students present an existential threat for the future of this country, and so is personally fine with treating them harshly (even violently). He thinks they pose a greater threat to "free speech" in this country than the Republican legislators enacting laws that literally ban speech.
That being the case, don't be surprised by his ridiculous hyperbole.
Brett displays vastly more wisdom and understanding than the woke students and those defending the behavior of the woke students.
No he doesn't, you're a poopyhead, etc.
SimpleP - As a proud member of the woke leftist community, its doubtful that you would recognize wisdom
Moi? No, I dislike "wokeism" and don't really consider myself part of the leftist community. The fact that I often disagree with you poopyheads does not make me one of them.
SimpleP - There is no laws being enacted that ban Speech.
As compared to agenda driven activists wanting to promote age inappropriate books to minors. Huge difference.
"Well, yes, we actually are trying to ban speech, but just the bad speech."
Simon - dont misrepresent the facts . Its not banning speech nor is it banning bad speech. Its simply restricting the demand to present age inappropriate material to children.
I get so fucking sick of you liars. Not even your preferred euphemism manages to steer clear of conceding the fundamental point.
You could have said, "sexually explicit material." But you didn't say that, because that's not what you're talking about, is it? You're talking more broadly about a category of "age inappropriate material." Well, what is that, if it's not just "sexually explicit material?" Could it be - oh, I dunno - anything that mentions LGBT issues? Anything that talks about systemic racism, white privilege, or the like? Are those things "age inappropriate"? Because that's what people are trying to ban, numbnuts.
So if that's your view, how in the fuck are you not just talking about "bad speech?"
Simon - you should seriously seek help.
There is a vast universe of topics that simply are not age inappropriate topics.
Take just one example is to teach the holocaust. Very definitely a topic that should be taught, however very inappropriate to teach at a young age. Same with many sexual topics including lg etc which should be taught, just not at the young age that is pushed by the activists. Further, the activists push topics to fit their agenda when students are deficit in many of the basics such as reading, writing, math science history, subjects which are vastly more important for a productive life.
This is a solution in search of a problem.
No wait - you said the concept of homosexuality is too sexual to teach to children.
You're the problem! Puritans like you are why pushing this stuff fully into the political process is will go stupid and end stupider.
Since he freely published his feelings, I wonder if other universities will be willing to hire him?
I doubt he needs to work. I think he wanted to work.
"spread this ideology through advanced knowledge" sounds like a rationalization to me. More like he didn't want to spend the time and energy teaching people he despised, which is understandable. Even if it were just a minority, it's not as if he could be a good professor for some students and turn it off for others.
Similar issues come up in almost every job. Should you sell cars, knowing that some of your customers might drive them drunk and kill people?
In this case it's not just a generalized understanding that some fraction of them might drive drunk, it's more like selling a car to somebody who brags about driving drunk. The guy has individualized knowledge of some of his students' proclivities.
Sure, but he's teaching algorithms, not bombmaking. This "they could use knowledge for bad ends" could apply to anything. English teachers might fear that a student could make propaganda newsletters for white supremacists.
Finance is useful to terrorists...
He's teaching algorithms, not finance.
And BTW, while I guess they need financing, it's hard for me to see how studying finance is useful to them.
" it’s hard for me to see how studying finance is useful to them."
Counterpoint: a lot of the reason ISIS grew as much as it did was that they had a pretty sophisticated oil business going - to the tune of $1.5M per day. I suppose it's possible someone with no knowledge of finance just rose to the occasion to run that kind of business, but it seems like a background in finance sure wouldn't hurt.
I agree that, say, the Baader-Meinhof gang didn't need financial wizardry, but ISIS did.
(not really a comment on the MIT thing, just that at some scale finance matters for terrorism, and a terror organization big enough to need financial acumen is likely a worse threat than one that's finances is just occasional briefcases of bills from handlers)
Sure, but that moves the threshold way over. It's not strictly impossible one of these MIT students joins ISIS or somethin similar, but it is not sufficiently likely to base a decision on it.
"not really a comment on the MIT thing"
Bah. Fair.
Brett, it is not like he found that students or a teaching assistant were part of active terrorist cells.
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/01/11/professor-quits-because-some-students-have-bad-beliefs/?comments=true#comment-10394518
I think you're hinting at a nexus from abstract advocacy to imminent action, as if to suggest his students are guilty of more than objectionable speech. But he doesn't present such a case. Their only offense, as described, is advocacy of a position to which he [vehemently] objects.
I'll switch from the anti-Israel meme to the Marxist meme. Is it any more or less desirable to teach math to Marxists? Do we not foster their intellectual development, and presumably, their exploits, by educating them?
Is it time to make Marxist ideology impermissible in the academy? Should "conscientious" professors work to support more narrow minded student bodies?
Objectionable thinking, and advocacy, is inherent to a pluralistic society and advancement of the classical liberal enterprise of the United States. I dare say: let the best case be made for genocide. Only then can we know what we're up against, which side we're really on, what we really oppose, and what our next step should be. (Too scary to leave that up to us normies? Should "elites" guide us away from such questions?)
This professor may be quite right in his inclination to stop nurturing his ideological opposition. But let's not confuse the imperatives of an individual with the imperatives of an institution such as a university. The evident challenge of our time is for universities to get out of the ideology business, and at the same time to energetically permit individuals to explore and express themselves without running up against wrong-think policies. His imperatives as an individual intent upon survival should not be confused with the imperatives of our higher education institutions which should support the development of our pluralistic society in an intellectually expansive manner.
He can always move to a school at which he is more ideologically compatible -- Regent, Franciscan, Liberty, Wheaton, Ouachita Baptist, Grove City, Hillsdale, Biola, Cedarbrook, or any other nonsense-teaching, low-quality, low-reputation, superstition-based, science-suppressing, conservative-controlled school. Those schools not only are not selective with respect to admissions but also are unlikely to do much sifting with respect to faculty hiring.
This is more like renting cars to people walking and staggering out of the bar across the street.
No; it's like renting cars to people who you overhear discussing how they like to party a lot.
In my crisis center director days (this would have been 1986 or so) I trained one group of volunteers that included “Moonies” from their nearby “university”. I was glad to have them there. It was a privilege to facilitate their mingling with people outside their cult and they were eager to learn the counseling techniques. They were nice to me and I was nice to them. Nobody walked in with an “attitude”.
This is not about "beliefs", it is about values and goals. His students want Israel destroyed and the Jews killed. Mohammed El-Kurd is a supporter of terrorism and war against Israel. If my students wanted me dead just because I am a particular religion, I would find a new job too.
Sure, resign on principle, but don't think that you're going to find an environment free of such undesirables.
If my students wanted me dead just because I am a particular religion does not seem established by the facts in the OP.
Mohammed El-Kurd is a supporter of terrorism also seems unsupported, at least based on his wikipedia article. I see nothing about supporting for Hamas or anything like that.
I just think he was disgusted with his students and didn't want to teach them.
(You'd think Eugene could relate.)
As an MIT alum … this isn’t the one of the first attributes that springs to mind when I think about the selection process.
I’d go so far as to describe a number of my contemporaries (undergrad time frame: late 80s/early 90s) as socially autistic. Brilliant, but when it came to intelligence at 18-21, “emotional intelligence” was the dump stat. It could be learned, MIT was a much better place for that growth than high school, and many folks did extremely well in that environment - but the author has weird expectations for the skewed demographic MIT seeks to recruit. It ain’t that liberal arts college just up the river.
Having gone to a STEM school myself, I will admit the idea of STEM school students getting politically active does not fill me with confidence that will end well.
"the idea of STEM school students getting politically active does not fill me with confidence that will end well"
S_0,
MIT has a long and proud history of providing outstanding scientific and technological leaders in the service of the highest level of the US government. Its students are some of the brightest and best among our future business, scientific and medical leaders.
I don't see how your statement is more than an unjustified stereotype at best.
It is absolutely a generalization, and I think pretty clear on that fact.
It is worst than a generalization. It's your personal conspiracy theory
A conspiracy theory, eh? Do tell.
A clue for you on your weird speculations - my comment was in reply to someone talking about the low general emotional intelligence of MIT students.
A clue for you on your weird reply.
Your reply was directly to my comment.
However, that it was not a reply to me explains a lot.
Reading Karchmer's piece, particularly the bit below the headline—"I refuse to teach students... who condemn my Jewish identity"—I was struck by the similarity to the howls of outrage sent up by transgender activists, with their demands that people who "deny their existence" be disciplined or silenced.
Karchmer doesn't appear to be interested in a culture of free speech, in which we're free to express our views, even of those views offend others. Rather, he and many other Jewish activists seem to want anti-Israel and anti-Semitic speech suppressed, just as anti-transgender speech has all too often been suppressed.
Rather than condemning MIT's leadership—and Harvard's, and Penn's, and... for failing to silence pro-Hamas speakers, we should be condemning them for their previous silencing of voices that expressed disagreement with ultrawokism. We should demand that they extend their current respect for free speech to occasions when the speech doesn't happen to agree with their views.
"We should demand that they extend their current respect for free speech to occasions when the speech doesn’t happen to agree with their views."
And there MIT has failed in the past.
Indeed. I recall that the 'tvte wasn't too keen on anti-apartheid/pro-divestment student speech in the late 80s. I think MIT was definitely on the wrong side of history on that one.
I mean, it's not too surprising, to me. The whinging from the right over DEI and "pronouns" has never really been about "free speech," about perspectives they felt were being officially suppressed. They wanted to reject those perspectives and re-impose their own anti-woke orthodoxy. Not just, "don't make us use your pronouns," but, "don't even tell us what your preferred pronouns are." Not just, "all races are equal, no one inherits guilt," but, "let's revise history and pretend that slavery and genocide of Native Americans never happened, or was all that bad."
So of course they don't really grasp that all of their talk about "antisemitism in higher education" is superficially inconsistent with what they'd been saying for years about "cancel culture." It's always been about re-establishing their own white-supremacist, conservative, Christo-fascist ideology.
Simon - the rights complaint about DEI is that it promotes racism and fosters division. Tremendous progress against racism has been made since the 1960's . DEI proponents want to reverse that positive trend.
Simon – the rights complaint about DEI is that it promotes racism and fosters division.
And what counter-measures to this does the right argue for?
Merit
That is where wisdom comes in -
Is this where you start lying, you mean?
The conservative response to DEI is to ban DEI, using whatever tools at their disposal. Public education, straight ban. Public contracts, straight ban. There has been an ongoing campaign in private litigation to end practices designed to promote diversity.
And it's not just about "racial discrimination," either. We're seeing efforts to end public recognition of Black history as such, Pride, and so on. Under the guise of banning "anti-white racism," conservatives are banning books, re-writing curricula, and so on, all to tell a different story - the white story - about race relations in the US.
That's what's happening.
For someone who just a few minutes ago denied being woke , you sure have embraced woke ideals including the racist DEI agenda.
As stated early tremendous progress has been made since the 1960’s with racism. DEI is reversing that progress. Only the woke would believe dividing people by race would be progress.
WOKE WOKE WOKE!
God, you people are morons.
Only a moron would promote policies that would divide races and reverse the progress that has been made with race relations.
The only people who believe that DEI programs "divide races" and "reverse the progress that has been made with race relations" are people who also believe that too much attention has been made about systemic racial inequality and that, when it comes to slavery, we should just let bygones be bygones. White people, in other words.
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The only people who believe that DEI programs “divide races” and “reverse the progress that has been made with race relations” are people who also believe that too much attention has been made about systemic racial inequality and that,"
SimonP - you are demonstrating some delusional beliefs.
Blaming the poor educational and economic performance in segments of the black culture on systematic racism is lazy social science and creating an excuse for the problems that plague segments of the black subculture. You can never address the problems and create viable long term solutions when you intentionally missdiagnose the problem.
Speaking of dividing people by race . . . how white is the Volokh Conspiracy?
I figure that's a substantial part of what most of its right-wing fans love about the Volokh Conspiracy.
They do say all sorts of stupid things.
No one is condemning his Jewish identity. Maybe he would be happier teaching at a Jewish university, if he wants a pro-Jewish place.
A couple of years ago it appeared that Jews had taken over the American universities. Now, not so much. Maybe that is his disappointment.
Rather than condemning MIT’s leadership—and Harvard’s, and Penn’s, and… for failing to silence pro-Hamas speakers, we should be condemning them for their previous silencing of voices that expressed disagreement with ultrawokism. We should demand that they extend their current respect for free speech to occasions when the speech doesn’t happen to agree with their views.
I agree they should not have silenced previous voices in the first place.
Having developed this track record, how do we guarantee that if they tolerate these pro-Hamas speakers, that they would tolerate other speakers going forward?
re: "when has there even been a rule that professors should expect to teach only morally good students and not morally bad students?"
Uhm, basically forever? Ejecting students for morals clause violations has been a practice at pretty much every school in history. Now, I will grant that the origins of western universities comes from religious institutions and that the enforcing of morals is in keeping with that source. But it has been pretty universally carried forward into secular educational institutions. In fact, the practice of offering education to the morally-failed is a very recent innovation. That doesn't show in history until the rehabilitation movement within the penal system.
Should universities be better and teach to all comers? Probably yes, especially where the "moral" questions are more political than actually moral. But that is not and never has been a universally held position.
the morally-failed
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Charlie the Child Molester comes to mind -- UMass has had Doctoral students in Concord State Prison.
I'm all for offering the GED to prisoners, but not the Ed.D.
"Professor Quits Because Some Students Have Bad Beliefs"
"But when has there even been a rule that professors should expect to teach only morally good students and not morally bad students?"
But it isn't just "some students hav[ing] bad beliefs"! It's the school's administration and certain faculty who have turned it into "a system that foments antisemitism."
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/12/06/should-universities-ban-advocacy-of-genocide/?comments=true#comment-10346274
Eugene, this is just another grievance-grifter, trying to make a name for himself and contribute to Billy Ackman’s campaign against Harvard, MIT, and Penn. And, while you are generally critical of what he’s saying, you’re unwittingly promoting his message of intolerance and calls for censorship.
Please, please, wake up to what MAGA is doing. They’ve already used their capture of state governments in places like Florida and Texas to begin censoring perspectives and course of study in higher education they deem anathema. They’re slowly wearing down the press. Now they’re developing a playbook for private higher education. This “antisemitism” canard is just a new McCarthyism, and we need to be more alert to it.
Though you take a moment to express opposition to McCarthyism, censorship, ideological state capture, and whatever, it is evident that you don't really oppose those ways, but just particular colors of those ways.
Your selected hot-words, and the biases they indicate, undermine any notion of intellectual sincerity in your argument. You're just objecting to the Other Guys wielding coercive forces, not to the use of coercive forces. (You would have given additional examples if you were more broadly concerned.)
See the case of Roland Fryer, and be silent or speak up for all.
Though you take a moment to express opposition to McCarthyism, censorship, ideological state capture, and whatever, it is evident that you don’t really oppose those ways, but just particular colors of those ways.
*Sigh* No, it is not “evident” from the fact that I am expressing alarm over this form of institutional censorship that I am perfectly fine with other forms of institutional censorship that somehow align more with my ideological commitments. That’s just a self-serving non sequitur and a convenient strawman, which you’re using to hoist yourself into an ad hominem.
More to the point: feel free to name an example where you think I’ve come out in favor of enforced institutional viewpoints. I can’t really guess at what you have in mind because MAGA-brain is so slippery and equivocal that your grievance could be anywhere between “people at work specify their preferred pronouns in a way I find obnoxious” to “the Biden administration has threatened legal retaliation against media outlets that failed to promote its views on a topic.”
"I am expressing alarm over this form of institutional censorship."
But it's not institutional censorship. It's just one "grifter's" personally reasoned resignation from an institution. Did I miss your message about "institutional censorship" in your reference to Harvard, MIT, and Penn?
You're so picky-choosy about censorship.
I am talking about the efforts by Ackman, among others, to coerce private universities into leadership changes, ostensibly in the name of "fighting antisemitism", but really in the interest of ending one safe space in American society for criticism of Israel. And, perhaps, opening them up to more direct control by Ackman, among others, when it comes to other topics they don't like (e.g., DEI initiatives, CLT/CRT studies, trans acceptance, etc.).
I understand your point about Ackman. And I think you are quite correct about him [over]working the antisemitism trope.
But does your interest in providing a safe space for criticism of Israel extend to providing a safe space for critics of "DEI initiatives, CLT/CRT studies, trans acceptance, etc.", not for Bill Ackman, but for students and teachers?
The reason your Harvard safe space is threatened now is because it's not a safe space; it's a hostile one to a broad range of ideas that are actually common to American political discourse, but have somehow become verboten in left-leaning institutions. (See the case of Roland Fryer, or Charles Murray, for example.)
I assert that Claudine Gay answered the question on Capitol Hill quite correctly. (I agree with her answer, and believe it was a good one.) But what she couldn't do was a full-throated defense of freedom of speech, which would have covered her position. Instead, she believes in a complex concoction of viewpoint-based speech restrictions and punishments, and she can't [openly] speak to that without finding herself in an indefensible position.
So I'll join you in wanting a safe space at Harvard. But I surmise that I'm looking for that safety to extend to a much wider range of ideas than you would consider "safe." Am I wrong? Is there not a significant range of political ideas and discourse that you consider "harmful"?
That argument takes cancel culture to a whole 'nother level. Not only is it bad to give someone who BadThinks a neutral platform, but it's bad to strongly condemn the person's bad ideas because that just lets people hear those ideas!
That argument takes cancel culture to a whole ‘nother level.
No. It's just a straight-forward observation, no more unusual than the old saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity" or the observation that mainstream media provides ample amounts of free advertising to the Trump campaign by covering his every utterance.
I am not saying, "Eugene, you should express your disagreement with this person by refusing to comment on his views." I am saying, "This person is likely trying to participate in a PR campaign that this post helps to promote."
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Eugene, this is just another grievance-grifter, trying to make a name for himself and contribute to Billy Ackman’s campaign against Harvard, MIT, and Penn. And, while you are generally critical of what he’s saying, you’re unwittingly promoting his message of intolerance and calls for censorship:"
Simonp - Intolerance and censorship is a prime feature of the cancel culture movement. Brought to us by the woke
Why do some of the VC's most idiotic and least coherent commenters copy comments they're responding to in ways that pick up garbage?
Is that the mobile experience? Are you just speed-flipping between Twitter, Truth Social, and the VC?
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He is not merely aware of it . . . he is part of it.
Another whiny snowflake who wilts when exposed to opposing viewpoints. Good riddance.
Extermination of Jews is an arbitrary differing viewpoint. Got it.
You will scream that's not what you mean. But that is their implication. Antisemitism through genocide is rearing its ugly head, worldwide, and intellectuals in the west maintain it's a hate for secular actions of Israel, who happen to be Jewish, and not Jews.
But the crowds murmur and burst forth with...non-secular hatred.
Maintain your purity, if it helps you sleep at night.
You think that chanting "Free Palestine" is calling for the extermination of Jews? Are you stupid?
Yes. No.
The issue here is that you just agree with that call.
Pure projection. Just because you want to ethnically cleanse the side of the Israel/Palestine conflict you appose doesn't mean everyone else shares your inclination. "Free Palestine" is a call for a sovereign state for Palestinians, just like Israelis have - nothing more.
It isn't, and you know it.
For many reasons. Even the people who favor a two state solution do not want "a sovereign state… just like Israelis have." Israel is a multiethnic country, and only true extremists want to kick Arabs out. In contrast, the people who favor a Palestinian state alongside Israel all think that Jews who live there are doing so illegally, and insist that they all be expelled.
"only true extremists want to kick Arabs out."
Out of Israel proper, maybe, where they're vastly outnumbered and powerless. But the entire Israeli government absolutely wants to kick the Palestinians out of Gaza. And after that, the West Bank. This is their stated goal.
Given that the Israeli government has had the power to "kick the Palestinians out of Gaza ... and the West Bank" for many years but has not done so, perhaps you should reconsider your assumptions about their motives.
Most people with the desire and the power to do a thing actually do it. When they have the desire but don't do it, it's fair to assume they didn't have the power. But when, as here, they clearly did have the power and still didn't do it, then it's probably your preconceptions about their desire that are wrong.
(This is not to say, by the way, that there aren't some extremists in the government. But you went out of your way to reject that argument and made the claim that it was a goal of "the entire Israeli government". You must now defend that sweeping statement.)
Here's what Israel's top government ministers have been saying on this subject recently:
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s two senior far-right partners endorsed the rebuilding of settlements in the Gaza Strip and the encouraging of “voluntary emigration” of Palestinians on Monday, while hawkish opposition MK Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-gazas-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/
"An Israeli government ministry has drafted a wartime proposal to transfer the Gaza Strip’s 2.3 million people to Egypt’s Sinai peninsula, drawing condemnation from the Palestinians and worsening tensions with Cairo."
https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-population-transfer-hamas-egypt-palestinians-refugees-5f99378c0af6aca183a90c631fa4da5a
Again, this is what the Israeli government is saying PUBLICLY.
"Given that the Israeli government has had the power to “kick the Palestinians out of Gaza … and the West Bank” for many years"
This is a ridiculous assertion. Israel hasn't done so because it is a client state of the US, and the US has told them not to. That doesn't mean Israel actually secretly doesn't mind the Palestinians being there, in spite of their explicit statements to the contrary. It just means they don't want to put their free ride provided by the Americans at risk.
No, none of those are what "the Israeli government" are saying. Cherrypicking quotes from random people who have no authority over the war effort to discuss what Israel is doing in the war is dishonest. Or ignorant, perhaps. It would be like finding quotes by Pete Buttigieg, Janet Yellen, and MTG and saying that they describe U.S. policy towards Ukraine.
Nor is Israel a "client state" of the U.S.
Yes, directly citing the statements from Israel's Security Cabinet is definitely just "cherry-picking quotes from random people who have no authority." Really compelling point. Meanwhile, using anecdotal statements from a couple teenagers remains fair game when you want to smear anyone who supports Palestine.
"no authority over the war effort to discuss what Israel is doing in the war is dishonest."
No, dishonesty would be trying to conflate the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians with the war effort, and suggesting that Israel's cabinet members who expressly advocate for the former somehow have no power.
" It would be like finding quotes by Pete Buttigieg, Janet Yellen, and MTG and saying that they describe U.S. policy towards Ukraine."
No, it would be like finding a quote from Pete Buttigieg saying he wants to use the United States' transportation infrastructure to send all Native Americans out of the country to Mexico, and attributing that view to the US government. In other words, an entirely fair and reasonable conclusion.
Like I said, cherrypicking. You can use fancy terms like "Security Cabinet," but neither Ben Gvir nor Smotrich — the two "senior far-right partners" referred to — have any involvement at all in prosecuting this war. Neither does Lieberman.
And as your own link notes, the agency that "drafted a wartime proposal" is "a junior ministry that conducts research but does not set policy." (And it didn't say this publicly, either, contrary to your claim.)
Curious how you to fail to quote Netanyahu himself, who said yesterday, "Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population." That's "what the Israeli government is saying PUBLICLY."
Israel is a multiethnic country, and only true extremists want to kick Arabs out.
"True extremists" in the government, you mean?
In contrast, the people who favor a Palestinian state alongside Israel all think that Jews who live there are doing so illegally, and insist that they all be expelled.
Well, many of the Israeli Jews living in the occupied territories are there illegally, and that's not some fringe position or the subjective opinion of Palestinians themselves. And they wouldn't be "expelled" so much as "forced to give back the land they stole in the first place."
The guy's a snowflake or a liar who got a better job offer. I'm voting both.
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He is making a much more profound critique than Professor Volokh is giving him credit for. He is saying that MIT in particular has focused on teaching students means, not ends. They aren’t being taught any of the skills needed to think critically about ends. And he discovers that when students lack the skills to think critically about ends, they adopt the most expedient ones. Should he be contributing to that effort?
Suppose he had been a professor at a military academy, instead of MIT, in the middle of a war he thinks profoundly unjust. Should he be doing nothing more than giving people tools and training to fight wars, knowing they will be used to fight unjust ones, with no ability to help them think about whether they should be fighting in the first place?
Algorithms are simply tools, as much tools as weapons.
In another era, a robust system of tenure would have let a tenured professor with this kind of midlife realization move from a technical field into something like philosophy and start learning and developing coursework on the things that, as midlife realization reveals, really matter. I don’t know if Dr. Krachmer was a tenured professor. But in today’s university system, and in a technology-focused university like MIT in particular. even if he was tenured, it seems hard to imagine that he would would have been permitted to stop teaching and researching in computer science, take up something completely different, and keep his job. And where woild he go?
Because frankly, he wasn’t an intellect engaging in intellectual study and intellectual debate with other intellects. That had nothing to do with his real job at MIT. He was merely a tool, studying tools, teaching tools to other tools.
Realizing this may have moved him closer to, not farther from, what a university is traditionally supposed to be all about. Which is very far from MIT in its current state.
Would a chemistry professor in a German technical institute in the 1930s or 1940s who quit because he couldn’t bring himself to continue teaching about poison gases really be going against the core purposes of a Western university? He’d probably do it a lot more quietly, of course. But it’d be the exact same thing, “Professor quits because some students have bad beliefs.”
Bad analogy. In consideration of wartime ethics, teaching “algorithms,” much like teaching “math,” is not like teaching “poison gases.” That’s a HUGE (little) STRETCH you did there.
Not at all. Algoritms are extremely important to efficiency and throughput maximizations for complex wngineering projects like railroads, camps, gas chambers, and many other things. The Nazis consulted psychiatrists for input into how to construct and conceal gas chambers in a manner that wouldn’t cause crowds to panic and waste time. They certainly used algorithms to maximize the efficiency of their transportation network, the throughput of their camps, and their daily kill rate.
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You might look over the multiple MIT courses in Ethics for Engineers. Such courses are require for a Professional Engineering license
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Do you prefer conservative-controlled campuses to America's strongest, reason-based research and teaching institutions?
I think that you think your “reason” can do far more than any real reason actually can. And I think that rechnical research universities like MIT’s focus on means to the exclusion of ends results in graduating students who deeply understand a narrow specialty, but who are unable to apply reason to the ordinary experience of the world around them.
Sir, you yourself are too involved in sniping at your enemies to think clearly. You need to disengage, step back, and think for a while in a climate not overwhelmed by a war between good guys and bad guys. It distorts your reasoning.
Take this very example. You will suffer no criticism of America’s resarch universities, because any criticism at all would only add ammunition into the hands of “reason’s” enemies. That’s not a healthy way to think deeply and clearly about how education might be improved. Fear of how anything you say can and will be used against you in an ideological war just isn’t conducive to thinking reasonably about anything.
That Volokh would not understand that a Jew would not want to enable a group of neo-Nazis how to be better Nazis should really come as no surprise.
Explains a lot about his "moral" compass, or lack thereof.
Wow, you sure are an asshole!
I studied at your feet for many years!
As you say ... he was a *lecturer* who appears to have made a good living and just wanted to teach. This is an idealistic position, and when the ideal falls too far from the reality, it makes perfect sense for him to quit.
I think that we each make these kinds of decisions ... why don't you teach at a conservative Christian college in Alaska? Or a madrassa in India? You teach where you do because you are interested in a certain environment with a certain caliber and genre of students.
When UCLA becomes a communist haven, won't you go somewhere else?
This seems like the inevitable result of encouraging both faculty and students to think of the college as a community, instead of as a profession.
If you go to high-end colleges in order to build relationships, create social networks, burnish your reputation, join together in causes, find a spouse, fund charities, etc, etc....
and NOT to acquire an education on pure theory plus professional skills and knowledge, which you could have gotten anywhere else for a vastly cheaper price...
Well then of COURSE you start believing that the College you were encouraged to believe in should start enforcing some community standards to increase the 'value' of being a member of that community. And once people start making those arguments... there are going to be winners and losers in terms of who the "brand" best supports. Looks like we just found a loser. But he's not sorry that the university has a 'community brand', he's just sorry that it's not the 'brand' he would have preferred. Better luck next time.
Why not also propose that people not look to their jobs as a source of food? If people didn’t have to worry about eating, or any other human necessity, they could similarly use their jobs to focus solely on life goals without having to worry about pesky human needs like eating or community.
I read it as, "A lot of utility I thought I'd get from giving up a more lucrative career to be a professor was to be part of an intellectual community. Instead, I find myself confronted constantly with antisemitism, to which my community as represented by the administration is indifferent. So I'm getting negative utility from this community, so screw it." Seems perfectly logical, and perhaps not completely different from why someone might choose to leave a law school position to be at Hoover.
This does not seem a very likely reading of the statement.
There wasn’t anything I saw about constant confrontation.
There was a great deal about potentially teaching future terrorists.
There was a bit about students condemning his Jewish identity, but little about confrontation.
There was nothing about the administration, except by implication.
There was nothing about his community or peers at all.
A number of people on here speculate he'd just had it with MIT for reasons including this. That could be, but the only thing that's established is as noted in the title Prof. Volokh gave to this piece.
You're missing the context of everything that has been happening at MIT in the fall ... or maybe you know but are just playing the fool.
I'm reading the words the guy wrote.
Did all the lefties on this board always hate Jews, or do they just fall in line based upon the needs of the party?
One day: "Trump is Hitler!!!"
Another day: "You know, maybe Hitler had a point...!"
Amazing to see it happen in real time.
Is Prof. Volokh among these Nazis you see everywhere?
Struck dog barks what????
Sure, big Nazi here. Heil and all that.
But above you seemed to think Prof. Volokh's moral compass was way off, particularly with respect to sympathy for 'a Jew.'
You sure seem to be playing footsie with calling Prof. Volokh a Nazi...
For most subjects, the professor's reasoning would be bad, but I'm not so sure about Algorithms. If he taught the physics of nuclear bombs, certainly he'd have a good point. Same, if he taught riflemanship, or industrial explosives. I wonder if having a class in algorithms is helpful to sabotaging American (or Israeli) corporations and in defending against cyberwarfare attacks such as those which hurt the Iranian bomb program?
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It's clear to me that Eugene Volokh is missing a huge difference.
Anti-affirmative-action or anti-transgender-athletes-on-women's-sports-teams people don't kill hundreds of the people that they disagree with.
On the other hand, anti-Semites just murdered, raped, beheaded, kidnapped infants and grandmothers, and abducted girls to keep as sex slaves forever to rape at will, hundreds of them, simply because they were Jews.
Being anti-Semitic is a virulent transmissible sicknes. It is an ancient hatred that was used to justify the MURDER OF MILLIONS, and Eugene wants us to believe it's just like anti-affirmative-action?
Get real. That doesn't pass the laugh test.
Claiming those are the same is a curious and very selective blindness that makes me think far less of Eugene's intellect and even-handedness.
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Being anti-Semitic is a virulent transmissible sickness
The irony!
So how far would Prof. Volokh take this? Would he teach Nazi students who would use their knowledge to make gas chambers? Does he think that IBM was right to sell them technology as they were increasing profits for stockholders?
On the other hand, their are certainly many students at MIT who would create counter-algorithms. The general rule is that there is no general rule. Ethics is not computer science (the good professor's former profession).
As usual, after all the complaints about the fascism of wokeness and PC thought police, when the right latch onto an issue out of sheer opportunism they turn into fascist thought police.
I agree with Eugene. It reminds me of when I was in college in the 60's. Students chanted "Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh. NLF is gonna win." Should professors have quit because Ho and Mao were buddies, and the Commies murdered millions? Of course not.
Kids in their late teens and early 20's tend toward extreme beliefs; that's the way humans are, for better or worse. One should educate them, not just walk away.