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Firing of Law Firm Associate for Anti-Israel Letter
David Lat (Judicial Notice) writes, and I agree with him (at least assuming, as press accounts suggest, that Kiros was indeed fired for the viewpoint expressed in her open letter):
Another associate has lost their job because of a controversial statement about the Israel-Hamas conflict. Meet Melat Kiros, a 2022 graduate of Notre Dame Law and, until recently, a securities regulatory and enforcement associate in the New York office of Sidley Austin. She published an open letter on Medium responding to—and criticizing—an open letter signed by 200+ law firms, in which the firms urged law school deans to crack down on antisemitism on their campuses. While she condemned antisemitism, she argued against "conflat[ing] such bigotry with the geopolitical question of Israel's legitimacy." Kiros's letter went viral, she was asked to take it down, and after she refused, she was fired.
I'm going to be honest: I have concerns about Kiros's firing. Unlike some pro-Palestine statements, Kiros's cannot be reasonably read as supporting the October 7 attack specifically or terrorism more generally, since it explicitly declares that "[t]here is no justification for the attacks on Israel on October 7th." It just happens to be a very pro-Palestine letter that advocates a single-state solution, a secular nation "where all citizens are equal under the rule of law, regardless of religion or ethnicity."
I disagree strongly with most of Kiros's letter. For starters, I favor a two-state solution, including an Israel that is explicitly a Jewish state. But I don't consider her views to be outside the so-called "Overton window," and while I acknowledge Sidley's legal right to fire her, I'd prefer to live in a world where employers tolerate a wide range of views on controversial issues. As Greg Lukianoff of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) recently told me, "Does [a law firm] have the right to hire or fire whomever they want? Yes. And can they base it on things including their speech? Yes. But our goal is to get people to at least consider, in a way that we used to be better at as a society, old ideas like everyone's entitled to their opinion."
For a similar criticism by David Lat of law firms retaliating against lawyers for their skepticism about Roe v. Wade, see this 2022 post.
One possible quibble: It's an interesting question whether New York law forbids discrimination based on off-duty speech, on the theory that such speech is "recreational." The statute, N.Y. Lab. Law § 201-d, provides,
(1) … (b) "Recreational activities" shall mean any lawful, leisure-time activity, for which the employee receives no compensation and which is generally engaged in for recreational purposes, including but not limited to sports, games, hobbies, exercise, reading and the viewing of television, movies and similar material ….
(2) … (c) [No employer may discriminate against an employee or prospective employee] because of … an individual's legal recreational activities outside work hours, off of the employer's premises and without use of the employer's equipment or other property …
(3)(a) [This section shall not be deemed to protect activity that] creates a material conflict of interest related to the employer's trade secrets, proprietary information or other proprietary or business interest ….
(4) [A]n employer shall not be in violation of this section where the employer takes action based on the belief … that: … (iii) the individual's actions were deemed by an employer or previous employer to be illegal or to constitute habitually poor performance, incompetency or misconduct.
(A separate provision, discussed at p. 327 of this article, protects election- and party-related political activities.) The treatment of "reading and the viewing of television, movies, and similar material" as "recreational activities" suggests that writing material might likewise be viewed as recreational (especially when it's not done for pay).
One court decision has indeed treated "recreational activities" as including arguing about politics at a social function, Cavanaugh v. Doherty, 243 A.D.2d 92, 100 (N.Y. App. Div. 1998), but another has held that picketing is not sufficiently "recreational" to qualify. Kolb v. Camilleri, No. 02-CV-0117A(Sr), 2008 WL 3049855, at *13 (W.D.N.Y. Aug. 1, 2008). El-Amine v. Avon Products, Inc., 293 A.D.2d 283 (N.Y. App. Div. 2002), allowed plaintiff's case to go forward based on claims that defendant had "fired him because of his political activities—in particular, because of his participation in a political funeral honoring Matthew Shephard" (see opinion below), even though that sort of political activity wouldn't literally be covered under the narrow definition of political activity discrimination under New York law.
I've seen other recent cases filed alleging that off-duty ideological advocacy should count as "recreational" and thus protected from firing (much as it would be in some other states, including California, under their differently worded laws). Perhaps we'll see some cases definitely resolving this important legal question.
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I disagree with the firing in principle but anyone delusional enough to think both sides are just going to accept some single kumbaya neutral state that doesn’t make anyone happy or give anyone what they really want except a handful of distant outsider Western academics, probably doesn’t have the intelligence to work at an elite firm anyway. At least if the firm still does honest work.
Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia was purposefully killed at the annual Bohemian Grove camp … during a weeklong human hunting expedition.
I guess the question is: Where is the line that allows, in principle, termination from the job for free political speech? I don’t see one.
Is this really a free speech issue, though? Or is this an employment dispute based on conduct (the employee made an affirmative choice to refuse to take down the letter). The employee’s actions (that is, conduct) arguably endangered the business, by alienating clients (and partners).
No. Publishing a letter is speech; refusing to take down a letter is just as much speech. Whether one can be legally fired for it is a separate question, but trying to redefine it as "conduct" is a campus leftist trick. ("Your words are violence; our violence is speech.") It's no more conduct than talking is merely because talking involves the physical activity of moving one's vocal cords.
In any case, whether this was conduct rather than speech is not a relevant question, because the statute to which Prof. Volokh refers is not limited to protecting speech; it protects conduct as well.
David,
I agree that the letter is speech. If Kiros was order to take down the letter, her refusal is not only speech but insubordination–a classic reason for dismissal. It is likely a large fraction of dismissal for insubordination are based on speech - "I know you're a partner, but fuck off."
So I also agree with you that "whether this was conduct rather than speech is not a relevant question."
Wait a sec. Employee A posts letter that is controversial with a segment of your employees, and could potentially jeopardize the business. Employer asks Employee A to take down said letter. Employee A refuses.
If it is Ok to fire Employee A for insubordination, how is that not firing for conduct?
I agree with you that insubordination of whatever form is conduct even when that conduct is mediated by speech.
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You're still doing the word game of relabeling speech as something else. "I'm not firing you for saying X; I'm firing you for refusing to retract X" is firing that person for his/her speech.
(All of this is a separate question from whether the person can indeed be fired. Again: the statute to which EV refers does not make a distinction between speech and conduct anyway.)
Yes = All of this is a separate question from whether the person can indeed be fired.
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I suppose it's too much trouble to read what she wrote before condemning her for what she wrote, but what she actually said was "Perhaps it is naive to believe that the people in Palestine and Israel might one day live together as neighbors, in peace, without fear of persecution, under a new government, but it is not hopeless, and, most importantly, it is not anti-Semitic."
‘to think both sides are just going to accept some single kumbaya neutral state’
Bear in mind that the thinking behind this attitude to any kind of peace process is what led to the current situation. They point at the hideous mess they helped make and claim that the only way to fix it is to keep doing the things that made it, only more so.
A two state solution will never be accepted because neither group will give up Jerusalem. Dissolving both the PA and Israel to form a single nation (let's call it Galilee for discussion) is our least-bad option.
To make it work, both peoples must be tired of war and have an outside party (such as UN peacekeepers) enforce peace for long enough for the walls to come down.
The peacekeepers are important for a Galilee solution to work because we are currently in a Nash equilibrium. The Israeli's won't back down because they are under constant war by people who have explicitly sworn to kill them. The Palestinians chafe under the security measures, creating more justifiable reasons to be angry. The Israelis must feel safe standing down. The Palestinians must accept that they aren't going to ever impose Sharia or wipe out the Jews, but be happy being equals.
You're delusional if you think that Israelis would ever put themselves in a position where they had to rely on "UN peacekeepers" (snicker) for their safety.
There are many examples from the history of Israel itself, but I'll give you a different one: Srebrenica. Do you remember the valiant stand that the UN peacekeepers took to save those under their protection in that town?
If there is a specific nexus between her and Sidley Austin (like in her online bio), she should be careful of what she says publically.
She was taking advantage of her employment (Hi, I graduated Notre Dame and work at Sidley Austin!), so.....
Should legitimate law schools dump Volokh Conspirators for operating a bigot-hugging blog?
No, because that doesn't happen.
Letting fools like you on, otoh...well, that's just good entertainment.
If a school were to conclude that the volume of racial slurs, homophobic slurs, transphobic slurs, Islamophobic slurs, antisemitic slurs, xenophobic slurs, misogynistic slurs, and other bigoted content -- from Conspirators and commenters -- made this a bigot-hugging blog, should that school dump the Volokh Conspirator(s) associating this blog with the institution?
You "disagree with the firing in principle", but, well, she's just crazy, so.
Did you miss EV's mention of the Overton window?
Why can't she do securities work for clients?
She does not seem to understand that she ought to an advocate for whoever is paying her. If she disagrees with the client, will she publicly attack the client?
Roger S, that doesn’t follow at all.
Because Jews…duuuuuh!
Because she is a bad person whom none of us need feel sorry for.
Dr. Ed has called for the mass murder of Latin American immigrants. He has also said that sex workers deserve to be murdered. Moreover, he cheers on the idea of right wing political violence in the U.S. Also, he's generally a fabulist.
He is a much worse person whom none of us would ever feel sorry for, but he prudently — the only time I'll use that word in describing him — posts anonymously.
David,
You'd save time and annoyance if you'd just mute Mr Ed.
He is so full of horse hockey that he is not worth any notice or response.
Hmmm?
Publicly stating that an indigenous people’s nation in the geographical region of their ancestral home is illegitimate sets the table for genocide, even though it doesn’t serve the meal. So, sorry, happy she was fired.
Hahaha what a laughable double standard you've cooked up to justify your cancel-culture urges.
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/11/03/nate-silvers-free-speech-is-in-trouble/?comments=true#comment-10303111
(see “hypocrisy” – “cancel culture”)
I don't understand what relevance Nate's pearl-clutching has here.
As I've noted previously, it would be odd to interpret the New York law as creating a "donut hole" of protection, where people could be protected from discrimination for engaging in "political activity," narrowly understood to be activity relating to elections and obtaining political office, and for engaging in "recreational activity," also narrowly understood to exclude forms of political activism that fall short of "political activity" but unlike more conventional "recreational activities" like watching television or smoking weed.
As I mentioned when I last commented on the law, my comments on the VC are often politically-tinged and could be said to be trying to further a political purpose. But they are just recreational activities. No one is paying me to do this; it is something I do for "fun." So to speak.
As for the campaign against those who push against the law firm orthodoxy - there's a lot of anxiety among associates, being expressed anonymously online, about whether saying the wrong thing about the war in Gaza might get them fired. Certainly nothing in the law firm environment is likely to push against erring on the side of Israel. That is the safe position. When your hedge fund clients are leading the push to defund universities who tolerate too much pro-Palestinian speech, there is little benefit to be gained by law firms in standing up for their junior associates who might try to disagree. And once a few started putting the letter together, the usual lawyerly terror at being anywhere but the middle of the pack kicks in and helped attract co-signers.
The open letter sent by the law firms struck me as distasteful. If I were free to say something critical about it, I would. But in reality, even if I were involved in the decision process over whether to join it, I doubt I would have said anything about it besides, "This is a contentious political issue and I think there is little to be gained by weighing in on one side or another." I certainly wouldn't share my actual opinions on the conflict as a reason to support student protesters.
Meh, a firm passed on me because I was asked in an interview about the Iraq War and I said we should only depose Saddam as part of a UN sanctioned mission. So I didn’t oppose deposing Saddam I just opposed sending mostly American troops to do a job that would benefit the entire world.
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Today? Sure.
In 10 or 20 years . . . not very likely. Israel is razing Gaza -- winning the battle of force on the ground -- while losing the battle at the modern marketplace of ideas and the contest for support, especially among the younger people who will be making the relevant decisions soon enough.
I do not agree with canceling people for their opinions, but she could have stated her opinions without making accusations against her employer. Her employer gave her an opportunity to correct the article, and she refused. Employees who are so rudely critical of their employers should expect to get fired.
Roger S is a liar. Her letter, mostly innocuous but certainly from a perspective overly critical of Israel and lacking in historical context, does not make any accusations against her employer.
Also, Roger S does agree with canceling people for their opinions if he disagrees with their positions, so he lied about that as well.
Read it yourself. The first sentence calls out her employer with "numerous US law firms, including my own, signed a letter."
Later it says "letter that over 100 US law firms (and counting) have signed ..., do you consider some acts of hate against one group to be worse than another? By chilling future lawyers’ employment prospects for criticism of the Israeli government’s actions and its legitimacy, you are complicit in Israel’s weaponization of anti-Semitism against legitimate concerns ..."
So she is directly accusing her employer of being complicit in Israel's weaponization of anti-Semitism. If she does not understand this, then she is a potential liability to the firm, as she could be unnecessarily attacking clients as well.
I really don't give a bleep, and the more of them who are unemployed, the better.
Fire them all....
Free speech culture continues to not be a thing VC commenters are willing to extend to liberals only those other views they'd prefer not to specify.
Good lord if I read another 'I agree in principle but' my eyes will roll up into my head.
Maybe UCLA can hire this woman as part of its current faculty improvement project.
Where do you think AmosArch lands on the political spectrum? Or did you decide to ignore the first comment just for the hell of it?
He is one of those ‘I agree with the OP in principle but.’
I am not in favor of canceling people or censorship, I like to see the bigots out in the open.
But, what goes around comes around, so I also don't have sympathy for progs now trying to wrap themselves in the first amendment.
Trying to make my eyes roll up in my head, eh?
Man, the VC commentariat is really showing what unprincipled tools they are.
Except DMN, natch.
Do you think that Kiros' advocacy of one state makes her a liberal?
" . . . old ideas like everyone's entitled to their opinion."
Still true; and just like it was true 'way back then', you are responsible for those opinions.
The older wealthy Republican lawyer that refused to hire me wasn’t held accountable for his bloodlust to slaughter innocent Muslims in Iraq.
Seems more likely that his decision was because you're a lunatic.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the fired associate at Sidley Austin. I don’t think that they can afford to be known as an antisemitic law firm, and esp not in NYC. Esp in that speciality, in that city. She showed a lack of discretion and maturity that the law firm could not afford. If she had done this, as a criminal defense associate, in Omaha, it probably wouldn’t have been any big thing. But the fact that she didn’t know that there are times to keep your mouth shut, and this was one of them, meant that she couldn’t be trusted to do what was best for the firm.
As Above The Law notes, Sidney Austin has no qualms about working with countries that hate Israel and do not recognize its existence. So spare us the sanctimony.
Also, while I disagree with chunks of what this woman wrote, it was not "antisemitic."
Darn it, I wish whatever jackass at Reason broke the commenting system would fix it.
MIsfits and malcontents generally do not like things that work.
(Speaking only on moral/ethical terms, not legal; so, more of a response to Lukianoff than Volokh:) I honestly can't figure out when freedom of association became incompatible with freedom of speech. Surely at some point those two ideas were considered compatible by classical liberals, because I've always heard them spoken of as complementary. But now people who would probably describe themselves as pro-freedom contend that one cannot make hiring decisions based on an applicant's worldview and their expression thereof. More generally, it's apparently become dogma among classical liberals that we *must* permit our society to reorganize itself as illiberally as it can, or else we are somehow hypocritical, tolerating everyone except the outgroup, etc. This line of reasoning, if it can be called that, has gone entirely off the rails; it is possibly the most dangerous line of thought within the libertarian canon.
"the geopolitical question of Israel's legitimacy" is the same as "from the river to the sea" and no matter how Lat dresses it up, these are euphemisms that call for Jewish genocide and the elimination of Israel.
To the same extent "all lives matter" is an unambiguous "racist dog whistle".
Racist dog whistle? Black lives matter precisely because all lives matter. "All lives matter" is an affirmation that Black lives matter.
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Exactly! That's the disingenuous spin from conservative bigots who don't have the courage to say what they really mean.
Many top scholars of Judaism reject common use of the word antisemitism or use the word in a highly restricted sense.
See Renowned Jewish Historian: Stop Using the Term ‘Antisemitism’.
I don't like the phrase "weaponization of antisemitism." Antisemitism is not being weaponized. The accusation of antisemitism is weaponized.
Counterpoint: no top scholars of Judaism reject common use of the word antisemitism or use the word in a highly restricted sense. That you found one iconoclast who takes a frankly absurd position proves nothing except that you have too much free time on your hands and are obsessed with your own antisemitism.
I read Kiros’ letter. She rejects the claim of Rabbinic Jews to an exclusive Jewish state in Palestine. This claim is a religious belief. She has been fired for rejecting this religious belief. Such a discharge seems to violate 42 U.S. Code § 2000e–2(a)(1) – Unlawful employment practices. Kiros’s situation seems like that of López Prater. See Court Allows Religious Discrimination Claim to Go Forward in Ex-Hamline Prof’s Mohammed Images / Islamic Art Controversy.
One thing that the latest events have shown is that the trope that all Israel has to do is withdraw from the “occupied territories” and peace will break out, is utterly false. It is now clear that what many have been saying for some time is true: it’s Israel itself which they object to. In their minds — and their I mean the Palestinians and their fellow travelers — Tel Aviv is as much occupied territory as anywhere else.
Until the Arab world lets go of the fantasy of wiping out Israel, any peace efforts are a mirage.
Not only that but is there any doubt that any single State solution would quickly end with an ethnic/religious make-up of the West Bank and leftists worldwide would inquire and care about that genocide about as much as the SS did the cocaine in the White House.
The Founders would never let you frame this question as a religous question just so you could treat it differently.
I have to question a theory that protects someone that writes a letter but not someone that co-signs it. It's a pretty far-out proposition in the first place - I daresay no native English speaker would refer to writing political manifestos as a "recreational activity" even if some writing can be recreational. Certainly it's not reasonably comparable to the listed examples.
Certainly it’s not reasonably comparable to the listed examples.
Ah, esjudem generis! It lives, It lives!
I went to the department of parks and recreation and could not, for the life of me, find the office of geopolitical opinion letter writing, since, after all, it is a form of recreation.
As SimonP wrote above: "As I mentioned when I last commented on the law, my comments on the VC are often politically-tinged and could be said to be trying to further a political purpose. But they are just recreational activities. No one is paying me to do this; it is something I do for 'fun.' So to speak."
Pot, kettle, black.
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Deftly played, sir.
Um, read more better: she was summarizing their position, not adopting that as hers.
Um, adjust your sarcasm meter.