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Pennsylvania Court on "Obscene Language" and Criminalizing Fighting Words
From Commonwealth v. Muhammad, decided Wednesday, by Judge John Bender, joined by Judges Maria McLaughlin and Correale Stevens:
On August 12, 2021, Appellant was charged with disorderly conduct, pursuant to Sections 5503(a)(2) and (a)(3), in connection with an incident which the trial court summarized as follows:
The incident which resulted in the disorderly conduct charges occurred at the Judge Bernard C. Brominski building[,] which contains the domestic relations and child custody divisions of the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas. [Appellant] attempted to enter the Brominski building without a mask at a time when masks were required. After obtaining a mask, [Appellant] was permitted to enter the building. As she was entering, [Appellant] told a security officer, "I'm not fucking talking to you." She then entered and said "fuck you" to a deputy sheriff and the security officer. [Appellant] then said "fuck you" again as she walked in the direction of the elevator. After entering the elevator, [Appellant] began screaming for help. As a result of her actions, [Appellant] was charged with one count of disorderly conduct for using obscene language and one count for making unreasonable noise. She was found guilty of [disorderly conduct for] using obscene language on April 6, 2022….
The relevant statute, though, prohibits "obscene language" or "obscene gesture[s]," and Pennsylvania courts had interpreted that (rightly or wrongly) to mean "obscene" in the First Amendment sense of being hard-core pornography; vulgarities don't count, so the conviction was reversed. (The court noted that the trial court never entered a disposition as to the "citation for disorderly conduct under 18 Pa.C.S. § 5503(a)(2), for making 'unreasonable noise.')
But the entire panel also joined Justice Stevens' concurring opinion:
"Why is nice bad? What kind of a sick society are we living in when nice is bad?" George Costanza on Seinfeld.
While "nice" may be elusive at times, our society cannot permit the type of public display of abusive, disrespectful, insulting and obnoxious behavior such as Appellant directed toward law enforcement officers in this case.
Appellant deserves to be punished for her public use of explicit, offensive language directed at Luzerne County deputies in the Courthouse annex, especially in a place where the rule of law is sacrosanct. Because of the wording of the statute in question and relevant case law, however, Appellant escapes responsibility for her actions.
The deputies were merely enforcing court rules that required individuals to wear a mask entering the building during the time of the pandemic. Appellant, who obtained a mask after first refusing to wear one, cursed at a security officer and shouted "fuck you" in a public hallway several times to a deputy and security officer as she was walking to the elevator.
The Majority correctly follows precedent that the evidence here was insufficient to uphold her conviction for Disorderly Conduct under 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 5503(a)(3). Such precedent holds that the offensive language used in this case does not meet the legal definition of "obscene" in that it does not appeal to anyone's prurient interest, nor did it describe in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct. Thus, I reluctantly agree with the Majority decision to reverse the conviction.
However, I urge the Pennsylvania Legislature to criminalize, even by using just a fine as punishment, within of course constitutional standards, such abusive and belligerent conduct toward law enforcement officers and other first responders. The blatant offensive behavior and language by Appellant erodes confidence and respect toward those whose responsibility it is to protect the rights and lives of others. Moreover, such behavior and language in public can incite an escalation of combative language and actions, including violence, by others toward police officers.
While the law cannot require people to be "nice," public displays of language and conduct such as in this case directed toward those who are sworn to enforce the law should be prohibited.
I take it that the concurrence is urging the legislature to criminalize face-to-face insults that are likely to cause a fight, which fit within the First Amendment "fighting words" exception; for more on the special question of whether the fighting words exception should be applied to speech said to police officers, see State v. Baccala, pp. 9-12 (Conn. 2017).
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Is there a law review article summarizing Seinfeld quotes in the law? Qualified immunity deserves a lot of "Was that wrong?"
The concurrence does not mention fighting words, so why think that is what is intended? If intended, why not say it? The concurrence asks that the Legislature criminalize the Appellant's conduct, namely saying "fuck you" to law enforcement. That is protected speech.
No, it isn't. Such face-to-face insults, as Prof. Volokh helpfully points out, "fit within the First Amendment 'fighting words' exception."
I don't think that is what Volokh is saying. A simple "Fuck you" to a cop is not likely to cause a fight and is not going to fit in the fighting words exception, and the same could be said for most insulting language.
Honestly, one of the great things about America is the ability of citizens to say, "fuck you" to a cop. Not saying they should or I approve, but the freedom to do so sets us apart in the history of the world.
along with the freedom the be charged with scratching the Officers PR-24 with the Appellant's knocked out teeth.
No, that's not what Prof V. said. What he said was that "face-to-face insults that are likely to cause a fight fall within the fighting words exception." Not all face-to-face insults.
And he was charitably speculating that this is what the judge meant, because that's not what the judge said at all. The judge wants to criminalize being rude to cops. Which would flunk RAV, I would think, even if the speech in question did involve fighting words.
You've said that twice now. You were wrong both times.
And if I say that to your wife?
Is that protected? No one in my neighborhood would side with you.
With that number of "fuck you"s they would have been better off to arrest her for solicitation - - - - -
Okay. That was clever and funny.
I don't think you can really codify tact into law. Crude and crass as she was, it is still Constitutionally protected.
No, it isn’t. Such face-to-face insults, as Prof. Volokh helpfully points out, “fit within the First Amendment ‘fighting words’ exception.”
I can't see the words "fuck you" rising to the level of driving a reasonable person to violence.
But they were cops, not normal people.
Well you got me there.
You obviously never went to an intergrated inner city Pubic School.
Now what if she wrote something obscene on the mask?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohen_v._California
I was thinking more Wooley v. Maynard, 430 U.S. 705 (1977) -- the NH license plate case.
Cohen wasn't required to wear a jacket -- he could have worn a sweater instead, etc. Likewise, if he'd taken the jacket off, I doubt that there would have been a criminal prosecution.
Here, the defendant was *required* to wear a specific item of clothing and, like the Tinker armbands, it had a specific political message. Hence I thought of the "Live free or die" on the license plates that people were required to display.
What "specific political message" was she required to display?
"However, I urge the Pennsylvania Legislature to criminalize, even by using just a fine as punishment. . . . "
WTF is that doing in a judicial decision?!?
It's not unusual for courts to recommend that the legislature take some action, often when there's some very inequitable or absurd result stemming from a gap or flaw in the law. But I agree that it seems strange for a court to recommend criminalizing a behavior here. If a guy is being an asshole in a court building, the solution is to throw him out for being disruptive.
Justice Thomas has often made such comments. He works with "is it Constitutional?" and not with "Is it Stupid?"
Having followed Biden for decades I see his very stupid and lazy method: Throw out a raft of vote-buying executive orders and what survives court scrutiny, take credit for --- what is blocked, blame on the blockers.
This is a great libertarian blind spot.
Jacob is correct. It is far better for a court to alert a legislature of a legislative need or imperfection, even to the point of admonishment or encouragement, than for the court to take it upon itself to address the need or imperfection via judicial activism.
Well, yes, it's better for a court to be rhetorically activist than judicially activist, but it's inappropriate either way. Judge Stevens is free as a private citizen to advocate for any laws he wants passed (though one wishes he would stick to advocating for constitutional ones). But the pages of a judicial reporter are not his personal property. It's no more appropriate for him to engage in lobbying there than it is for him to insert a congratulations to the Eagles for winning the NFC East.
It strikes me as terribly inappropriate. Judges shouldn't be inserting their personal political views into their opinions.
I think its entirely proper for judges, after having decided a case based strictly on the law as it is, to occasionally suggest that the legislature or the Supreme Court consider changing the law. Doing so helps judges apply the law even when they think it is wrong-headed, because it gives them an opportunity to have a voice to affect change when they think this necessary. And the opinion of judges is worth something. Sometimes they should be listened to.
Perhaps the paradigmatic example is Perkins v. North Carolina, where in 1964 a federal judge upheld a 20-30 year sentence for consensual sodomy (his accomplice had gotten only 5-7 years and the disparity was also upheld), and then wrote an addendum listing numerous crimes with a lesser maximum sentence starting with second degree murder, and asking the legislature to reconsider whether a single act of consensual sodomy really does more damage to society than all these other crimes. A year later, the North Carolina legislature reduced the maximum sentence to 10 years and abolished the 5 year minimum.
And nothing further happened.
I suppose I ought to download the decision and see what that was all about.
That's grounds to pursue it as a mental health issue -- which it may well have been. Notwithstanding that, what I find disturbing is the extent to which we are now taking the Soviet route of punitive psychiatry -- it started in higher ed 20 years ago and now has oozed into the larger society.
The civil liberties concern is that one is never guilty (and hence never innocent) of a mental health allegation -- one is instead "sick" and the state is "helping" the person....
Per Justice Stevens, "The blatant offensive behavior and language by Appellant erodes confidence and respect toward those whose responsibility it is to protect the rights and lives of others."
This hardly seems like a good reason to prohibit speech; and if it is, shouldn't it apply as well to things like criticism of police over no-knock raids and asset seizures for civil forfeiture? Such criticism also erodes confidence and respect toward law-enforcement officers, but I trust that most of us would vehemently oppose an attempt to criminalize it.
It seems reasonable to prosecute Appellant for disturbing the peace, but the standard should pertain to the amount of noise and disruption that she herself made, and not to the content of her loud and strident utterances or to the possible responses of others to that content.
Basically, he is willing to override the Constitution to protect the honor of the legal system. Nothing new here: viz. prosecutorial and judicial immunity.
He must have skipped over the "Congress shall make no law..." part in his conlaw course.
The purpose of speech is to affect others’ behavior. Dictatorships are lousy with lese majeste from derogating the government, as if it had some noble station above the people. This, of course, in practice is using the power of governnent to hurt political enemies and keep you entrenched in power.
Also: HTML in re-edit is still broken.
“After entering the elevator, [Appellant] began screaming for help.”
Why? Had she used up her quota of "fucks" for the day?
In what world is it appropriate for a judge (e.g., a lawyer in a dress) to write an opinion urging the state legislature to criminalize conduct for which the appellant had just had their conviction reversed? What part of "interpret the law" means "urge the criminalization of non-criminal conduct"? To quote David Behar for a second day in a row: "lawyer dumbasses."
A Maine judge did that some years back -- Maine law states that people are guilty of indecent conduct only when they "knowingly expose their genitals in public."
A couple of UMaine girls beat that on the grounds that female genitals are internal and hence not exposable -- and the (female) judge said: "I would assume the Legislature will probably be addressing this issue."
https://www.seacoastonline.com/story/news/2002/01/31/judge-streaking-legal-for-maine/51299105007/
There was a case in Washington where people requested public records of people who signed a petition to get something they didn’t like on the ballot. The stated purpose was to harrass them.
The court said the request was ok because the public record purpose was so The People could look for funny business in the petition process, but were concerned about this abuse.
I always took that statement of concern as a suggestion the legislature may want to look at it.
The Maine girls only expose the stupidity often associated with that part of the country (Vermont comes to mind)
So when a botanist is out with family does he say 'pass the vegetables" when asking for these fruits?
Fruits Used As Vegetables
1. Tomatoes
2. Tomatillos
3. Sweet peppers
4. Eggplants
5. Winter squashes (like butternut)
6. Summer squashes (like zucchini)
7. Cucumbers
8. Bitter gourds
9. Chayote
10. Green beans
11. Peas
12. Avocados
13. Sweet corn
14. Okra
15. Olives
In Maine even a whorey woman exposer would be prosecuted.
Nothing wrong with urging...are you afraid the legislature is not as smart as you ??
Criminalizing swearing at police is a bad idea. "confidence and respect" must be earned, not imposed by law. Seeing the police resist verbal provocations that civilians would find hard to resist -- now that would promote respect for police.
"Seeing the police resist verbal provocations that civilians would find hard to resist"
I believe that actually is the law in Maine -- that the trained police officer is expected to
FWIW I think it's still the case in Britain that you can never be charged with breach of the peace when the only people around are the police because it is their duty to maintain the peace.
That's also true in Massachusetts -- "one may not breach the peace of a peace officer" -- the cop needs a complainant on noise complaints. The law may be different in a courtroom thought -- IAMAA.
I suspect SOP here would be to arrest them for causing a breach of the peace so they can charge them with resisting arrest...
Although the F word is clearly vulgar and offensive to my generation, it has become ordinary and common in younger generations.
Juries, not judges, not legislators should decide on the offensiveness of any and all words.
TBH I have fantasies about calling Jim Jordan a motherfucker in a televised House hearing 🙂
Maybe go meet a woman or something so you can have non-weird fantasies.
Oh, those fantasies are weirder 🙂
But it became common because low-lifes like George Carlin made their living off of being disgusting. I found Lenny Bruce funny. But Carlin was hateful and mean and daring people to be offended.
From the quoted portion of the concurrence it's hard for me to see this as a suggestion for a statute regarding "fighting words". Rather this looks like the run of the mill "let's criminalize saying bad words to cops" much in the vein of "let's not let citizens record cops". While violence is mentioned, it hardly appears to be the motivating factor in the quoted portion. Rather, it's the insult to law enforcement that erodes confidence and respect in the judge's view. Well, too bad, the government sometimes needs to be disrespected and to lose our confidence. While I do not agree with this woman's actions, I cannot support any statute that limits my ability to tell an officer to f off.
Professor Volokh,
Great analysis as usual! As a Connecticut attorney, I'd like to point out that the Baccala case is likely no longer the controlling CT case on speech directed to a law enforcement officer because Baccala was speech directed at a supermarket manager.
State v. Liebenguth, 336 Conn. 685 (2020) is likely the controlling case in CT for speech directed to a law enforcement officer. CT Supreme Court upheld a conviction for a man who called an African American parking enforcement officer a "f---ing n-----." It held that the officer was not similar to a police officer so that a special level of restraint was not required in a fighting words analysis. Given that the majority of the opinion focused on the offensiveness of the words used, it is tough to say if the case would've come out differently if it was a police officer.
As a full disclosure, I was one of the lawyers who authored Liebenguth's petition for certiorari, and I was one of his lawyers for a short time in his federal habeas action.
The link to the Liebenguth opinions is below:
https://jud.ct.gov/lawlib/lawlibnews/Posts/Post.aspx?Id=4123#:~:text=SC20145%20%2D%20State%20v.,language%20in%20a%20public%20place.
There was a widely publicized case about 15 years ago in Massachusetts where calling a meter maid the n-word got a man's charges upgraded from a routine misdemeanor to a civil rights violation. (There is no government action requirement in the civil rights law.) If you use a bad word, the prosecutor is likely to assume that bad word reveals your true motive and you aren't really angry over the ticket you got.
So..."it wasn't really about the ticket, he was just calling her a bad name."
Sounds like a 1st Amendment problem then.
This Cameron Atkinson?
Nice hat.
How was the soup?
Our society not only can permit that type of "public display", it must permit that kind of thing if it claims to value freedom. Stevens is just wrong.
Stevens is wrong but you are way more wrong.
Freedom for you to do what you want cannot equate to my duty to witness it. And we are all sure that you personally do not allow many things that you however argue for on here.
“Let us not pretend to doubt in philosophy what we do not doubt in our hearts.” ― Charles Sanders Peirce
IF someone exposes themself in front of my daughter, they should expect something approximating a violent death
“Duty” is an odd word choice there; of course one doesn’t have any such “duty.” One can avert one’s eyes, cover one’s ears, take a different route. But you don’t have a right to stop another person from saying something because you don’t want to hear it and don’t want to take any of those alternatives. Or to put it another way, one has a duty to let them express it, not to witness it.