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No-Lockdown Sweden Seemingly Tied for Lowest All-Causes Mortality in OECD Since COVID Arrived
Focusing on all-causes mortality, and not just on COVID mortality, helps account for various potential indirect effects of lockdowns.
COVID lockdowns could have saved lives, by decreasing COVID deaths (and also incidentally decreasing some other deaths, for instance from auto accidents, from other communicable diseases, and the like). They also could have cost lives—for instance, through drug abuse deaths or suicides or homicides stemming from people being cooped up for months, drug abuse deaths or suicides or homicides stemming from economic damage and unemployment caused by the lockdown, cancers not caught early as people delayed early screening (even if such early screening would have been officially excluded from the lockdown), and so on.
What was the likely aggregate of all these effects? In particular, to look at just one data point (recognizing that it's indeed just one data point), how did Sweden, which basically didn't lock down, fare compared to other prosperous countries?
Sweden did have a higher COVID mortality rate than many other European countries, including the neighboring Norway, Denmark, and Finland. But what about what is sometimes called "all-cause excess mortality," which is to say total mortality in the country compared, on a percentage basis, to the pre-COVID mortality? Moreover, some of the effects of lockdowns (positive and negative) could have lasted well after the lockdowns, indeed for years past them. What then about the all-causes excess mortality from 2020 to the present, rather than just based on the 2020 data or the 2020-21 data?
A recent UK Office of National Statistics report says that Sweden and Norway were essentially tied for the lowest "[p]roportional all-cause excess-mortality scores" (which "measure[] the percentage change in the number of deaths compared to the expected number of deaths (based on the five-year average [from 2015 to 2019])" among the listed European countries, looking at data from Jan. 2020 to June 2022: Their excess mortality was up 2.7%, compared to, say, 5.2% for Denmark, 7.1% for Finland, and 11.8% for the Netherlands.
Nor is Sweden's success likely caused by Sweden's age distribution, as measured by the percentage of the population that's at least 65 and the percentage that's at least 80, which are in the middle to high middle among the OECD countries. The UK report provides information on "cumulative age-standardised mortality rates" as well, and Norway just barely inches ahead of Sweden, at -4.1% compared to -4.0%, well ahead of all the other listed countries. (The percentages aren't directly comparable to the excess mortality percentages as such, but they are still helpful for internal rankings within each kind of measure.)
I also tried to do a similar analysis myself, based on OECD data (which covers most of Europe, the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel), for Mar. 2020 to Oct. 2022 (the most recent data I could find). Based on that data, Sweden seems to have had the lowest rate, even below Norway. (Others have remarked on this as well.) You can check my data in this spreadsheet; I downloaded the 2020, 2021, and 2022 weekly data from the OECD site, deleted a few Latin American countries that didn't have data for all the years, calculated the average excess death percentages for each year (see row 8 of each sheet), and then calculated the average excess death percentages for all three years (see row 2 of the 2022 sheet).
I also asked our UCLA School of Law Empirical Research Group people to check into that, and they confirmed; here are the aggregate excess mortality percentages they reported (or see the Excel spreadsheet), though I think my data excluded the first 9 weeks of 2020 (as basically pre-COVID) and their analysis included it:
United States | 20.90 |
Poland | 20.13 |
Slovak Republic | 18.89 |
Czech Republic | 16.19 |
Slovenia | 14.25 |
Greece | 13.90 |
Israel | 13.14 |
Netherlands | 12.54 |
Spain | 12.34 |
Canada | 12.12 |
Estonia | 11.94 |
Portugal | 11.79 |
Italy | 11.73 |
Lithuania | 11.14 |
Hungary | 10.81 |
Austria | 10.80 |
United Kingdom | 10.60 |
France | 9.99 |
Latvia | 9.66 |
Switzerland | 9.42 |
Germany | 8.86 |
Luxembourg | 8.79 |
Finland | 8.60 |
Belgium | 8.21 |
Australia | 8.07 |
Iceland | 7.98 |
New Zealand | 7.61 |
Denmark | 6.12 |
Norway | 4.28 |
Sweden | 2.79 |
Of course, there are obvious limitations with such an analysis:
- As I mentioned, this is based just on comparing one no-lockdown country to other countries; perhaps Sweden was an outlier for other reasons (what if, for instance, it had also improved various unrelated health care measures in the last couple of years, more so than other countries had?).
- It would of course be helpful to also control for other factors, such as immunization rates over time, the fraction of the country that lives cheek-by-jowl in major population centers, more precise measures of age, and more.
- The excess mortality data may be imprecise in some respects, though the COVID mortality data might be as well.
- Total excess mortality is a crude measure in various ways; one might want to consider years of life lost (reasoning that, say, the death of a child with 70 years to live is even more tragic than the death of an adult with 7 years to live), or one might want to exclude suicide, or do something else.
- One might also want to try to look at more than mortality, and include serious but not fatal long-term health results (both from COVID and other sources), lost educational opportunities for children, and many other things.
- As one of the people in the Empirical Research Group noted to me with regard to my analysis (which averages the excess weekly mortality), "Looking at and aggregating percentage change in seasonally adjusted time series is something we typically want to be careful about. Mortality rates are seasonally cyclical—in most OECD countries, mortality rates are systematically higher in the winter. In the US pre-COVID, deaths in the winter averaged about 15-20% higher than deaths in the summer, although how much higher in any given year depended a great deal on how bad the flu season was. In principle, when baselines are different, averaging percent change (what I take it you did based on your email) can be misleading. Think about it like this: 30% higher mortality in the winter is a greater number of excess deaths than mortality being 30% higher in the summer. So, a country with 20% higher mortality than expected in the summer and 40% higher mortality than expected in the winter will over the course of the year have higher excess deaths that year than a country with 40% higher mortality in the summer and 20% higher mortality in the winter, even though averaging 20% and 40% gets you 30% either way. The seasonal differences in mortality rates are not huge, but the differences in weekly baselines are a key reason that if one were to average the average weekly excess mortality rate for a year, it wouldn't match the overall excess mortality rate across the year exactly."
This having been said, I thought the information on Sweden was worth noting, and of course I'd love to know whether there is more reliable information.
I should note that I have neither been a strong supporter or strong opponent of lockdowns, except insofar as I've taken the view that lockdowns are generally constitutionally permissible. Whether or not they are sound is an important empirical question, which deserves more study. And to the extent that Sweden's experiment seems to have been at least potentially successful (though contrary to the judgment of health authorities in other countries), I hope that it leads people to study the question more closely.
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Very glad to see the analysis is starting take into account the negative effects of the lockdowns. Much of the discussion assumed there was no cost, other than inconvenience or perhaps an American sense of liberty. It is simply not so.
Milton Friedman's famous dictum "there is no free lunch" applies to public health policy as well. That does not mean that lockdowns, or some form of lockdowns are the wrong policy. It does mean, however, that the consideration is far more complex than we were lead to believe.
U.S. right at the top of the list. The neo-Malthusians really did a number here.
I'm sure that the numerous dipshits who refused to participate in any semblance of any public health initiative have nothing to do with the resultant data, right? The solid, consistent messaging from the Dipshit-in-Chief similarly had no effect, I'm sure.
When you're about to comment on something, remember that you're usually wrong.
Yeah, that's a really sensible response to, "Hey, the country that decided life should go on as ordinary had the least people die!".
Honestly, no different than M L acting like the lockdowns are the reason for the US being at the top of the list, since almost every country between the US and Sweden also did lockdowns and the US was far from the most strict.
As Professor Volokh notes, there's a lot to learn from how we handled Covid, but let's keep in mind that Sweden's strategy wasn't "do nothing", but included all of the following measures:
- Aggressive vaccination campaign (e.g., roughly twice as many people in Sweden aged 65+ have gotten two boosters compared to the US)
- Although people could mostly go about their normal lives, large gatherings weren't allowed (for a while the definition of "large" was a small as eight people) and older people were strongly recommended to socially distance (most of them did)
- Travel was restricted
It may be that this was close to the right recipe in balancing the need for people to go about their everyday lives with measures to prevent deaths from Covid, but it would be silly to conclude that the lesson to draw from Sweden is "you can just not do anything and it will turn out fine".
'with measures to prevent deaths from Covid,'
Which they didn't actually acheive.
Also, schools for older kids were closed for a time. Not for younger ones, though.
But I will again register my objection to the use of the term "lockdown." The U.S. did not have "lockdown." We did place restrictions on businesses opening — but only "nonessential" ones, which meant that something like half never closed — but people were not confined to their homes or anything. Whether one agrees with the measures or not, they should be described accurately.
So it wasn't China. Not much comfort there.
" but people were not confined to their homes or anything."
Well, people's ability to leave their homes was restricted in many places. See, for example, Gov. Newsom's order:
"To protect public health, I as State Public Health Officer and Director of the California Department of Public Health order all individuals living in the State of California to stay home or at their place of residence except as needed to maintain continuity of operations of the federal critical infrastructure sectors..."
But it's certainly true that for some people, "lockdown" meant stay home and don't go anywhere except to get groceries every few weeks.
For others it meant do what you normally do, but wear a mask if you're within six feet of other people, unless you are at a dining table or have coffee in front of you.
But for Gavin Newsom himself, well...
Rules were were little people.
“but only “nonessential” ones, which meant that something like half never closed . . . . Whether one agrees with the measures or not, they should be described accurately.”
Right. Churches – closed. Gym – closed. Liquor store – open.
Home Depot, Walmart – open. Locally owned garden supply store – closed.
Construction, local contractors – shut down. Government construction projects – open.
Funerals – banned. Visiting grandma – banned. Murderous BLM riots – heartily endorsed.
So like you said, it was all about what is “essential,” to describe it accurately.
On a scale of 0 to 100, the stringency index for the US ranged from the mid-40's to the mid 50's until March of 2022 when it dropped to the mid 20s to 30s.
In contrast the UK was as high as the mid-80s through March '21, generally dropping to the low 40's in fall 2021 and then to the 20s in 2022.
So it is correct that the US was midway in practice among industrialized countries
Unclear which stringency index you're consulting, but BSG Oxford's graphs of their SI over 2020-2022 (page 22) show only two short periods (right at the outset in 2020 and Q1 of 2021) where the UK was higher than the US, and that by only a few points. Total area under the curve looks very close.
(For another point of reference, on their scale the US ran in the 70%+/- range over the pre-vax period, while China topped out around 80%.)
There are many possible reasons why the US is at the top of that list. Each and every one of them are likely to be interrelated with others.
Suggesting "neo-Malthusians" are the cause is idiotic.
"When you’re about to comment on something, remember that you’re usually wrong."
Says the guy who's always wrong.
I don't know that I've ever seen a better case for the old "Physician, heal thyself" maxim.
Two comments regarding the excess deaths
A) excess mortality / deaths can be somewhat difficult to accurately present, (excess over the last x number of years. Pick the start date for the period of the average deaths and you can get lots of different values for the excess deaths, thus can be deceiving.
B) the delta between Sweden/Norway vs the US seems quite large. I would like to see the computation before relying on the conclusion.
"you can get lots of different values for the excess deaths, "
Indeed, in some countries the "excess deaths" were negative during pandemic years.
Don – my primary point is that excess deaths can be computed in a manner that can be deceptive.
Similar to the numerous “studies” / “reports ” showing that the difference in per capita death rates per 100k varied as much as 400 deaths between states (even though the per capita deaths per 100k for the over 65+age group was less than 80 among all the states).
I would have to see the methodology and data before I would comment on the reasonableness of the excess deaths –
though the delta between the various nations seems quite large.
"though the delta between the various nations seems quite large. "
Joe,
It is large; unfortunately there is no way to post a graphic in these comments
the delta is almost 9x, I would have expected the delta to be in the range of 2x-3x which is why I would like to see the methodology/computation .
A lot of excess deaths computations only use the last 5-10 years as a baseline which in my opinion is really too short for a baseline for excess death computation.
And your "opinion" is based on what expertise?
David Nieporent 32 seconds ago
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And your “opinion” is based on what expertise?
Basic math skills -
Something you havent demonstrated on any of the covid discussions
Not only have you not demonstrated "basic math skills," but the answer just shows your problem: GIGO. Doing math with made-up data just gives made-up results.
David,
When you make a set of relevant calculations in a manner that eliminates or at least minimizes fluctuations below the level of statistical significant, the result is NOT an opinion. It is a desciption of the calculation and its results.
Don,
he’s the one who claimed it was his opinion.
What “set of relevant calculations” do you think he did to form an opinion that 5-10 years is too short a timeline to serve as a baseline for computing excess deaths?
I don't know what he has computed.
I know what data I have analyzed and published in two peer-reviewed medical manuscripts in 2022.
I can say that his claims are not in gross variance with what I have published.
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Pick the start date for the period of the average deaths and you can get lots of different values for the excess deaths, thus can be deceiving.
My recollection from the early days when the published numbers for Sweden appeared to be not very good (ie plenty of Covid deaths) was that someone crunching the numbers noted that Sweden had had a few years immediately prior to the Covid outbreak, of exceptionally low flu deaths.
Thus, it was argued, Sweden had a lot of "dry wood" - ie old, sick folk who hadn't been killed off by flu in the past few years, leaving them ready and able to be killed off by Covid.
Anyway, the point is that the sums are hard and, yes, you need to look at a run of years.
I'm very confident that given the political significance of it all, no generally accepted statistical answers will be forthcoming. Ever.
The US numbers really need to be viewed on a state by state basis because for much of the country each acted as independently as they could under Federal limitations
"Very glad to see the analysis is starting take into account the negative effects of the lockdowns."
I think most of the diehard lockdown-pushers were OK with the negative effects because they thought the deplorables deserved it.
This is solipsism - 'it's all about me!'
Might be interesting to do a similar analysis among hard lockdown and soft lockdown states.
One flaw I see in this effort is that it isn’t adjusted for cold weather differences in the years that were compared since that’s highly variable and can be significant cause of mortality: Heart failure mortality surges by 37 percent in extremely cold weather
I have done that the times series of Covid mortality and national stringency of response for 100 countries around the world. There is no correlation between mortality rates and stringency index as computed by Oxford University's Our World in Data
Yeah, the actual correlation is to age and obesity, and after that vaccination rate for middle aged and above. Lockdowns? No correlation at all, once you control for those.
Brett,
Even those correlations for SARS-CoV-2 are less than 0.25 to 0.30 on a world wide basis. They are much stronger for seasonal influenza. The strongest single factor correction for SARS-CoV-2 is with chronic kidney disease.
Brett - fwiw I used the per capita death rates by age for comparing the various states. (concentrating on the 65+ age group since that was where 85% of deaths occurred)
I would have used obesity , though obtaining obesity rates and age 65+ on a consistent state by state basis would be problematic - obtaining viable and consitent /comparable data.
Sorry, this is COVID misinformation and you should be banned from the internet, fired, and cut off from financial services now. Freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences. It’s not that your rights are being violated, it’s just that people think you’re an asshole, and they’re showing you the door.
Also, how dare you opine on COVID matters unless you are an epidemiologist or meet whatever narrow criteria are convenient at the moment (excluding of course, those epidemiologists and inventors of mRNA technology that spread misinformation according to Fauci and social media censorship departments).
Looking at and aggregating percentage change in seasonally adjusted time series is something we typically want to be careful about. Mortality rates are seasonally cyclical—in most OECD countries, mortality rates are systematically higher in the winter. In the US pre-COVID, deaths in the winter averaged about 15-20% higher than deaths in the summer, although how much higher in any given year depended a great deal on how bad the flu season was.
Interesting. Wonder if the uptick in winter is related to the flue (as this suggests) or something else.
Well certainly, if you keep the flue open in winter, you'll catch the flu.
Haha!
Cold kills 10-20 times as many people as heat. Global warming saves lives from that measure alone. I figure there are several causes:
* Travel is more hazardous.
* Hot days don't require energy to survive, only to work, and working earlier helps. But surviving cold requires energy.
* People stay inside more and keep windows closed, increasing contact and the opportunity to spread infections.
I'm sure these are well-known and there are many more causes.
This is not true once the wet bulb temperature gets to about 95 degrees, which is happening more regularly due to global warming.
Unless you're reffering to air conditioning, what energy is required when the wet bulb temperature (how many people even know what that is) gets above 95℉?
Yes, you need something to cool you down so you don't die. Even at somewhat lower temperatures you'd at least want fans.
Funny how humans were able to survive for tens of thousands of years without either.
Yes, it is really odd. They must have had space alien technology.
Temperatures this high are a very recent phenomenon. Even people who don’t believe in anthropogenic global warming acknowledge the fact that the Earth was much cooler for most of human history.
Edited to add: It's not like this is controversial science. When it's hot and humid enough that you are continuously gaining heat rather than losing it, you are going to have a bad time.
In the universe of morons who post here you are moving to the top very, very quickly.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I will leave it to people who understand how to look up basic information on the Internet to determine which of us is a moron.
Bamoko Mali. Average high temperature, March: 101 F. April 103 F. May 101 F.
Historic population. 6000 Residents in 1806. 160,000 residents by 1960.
Somehow...they're still there, and not all dead of heat stroke. Even before the advent of widespread air conditioning.
Kuwait city. Average high temperature in July: 116 F.
Existed since the 1600s. Somehow, without AC. No mass die-offs of people. And no, the temperature hasn't magically risen in Kuwait City by 20 degrees F in the last 400 years.
Dude, wet bulb temperature. Look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
Edited to add: this is seriously the dumbest argument I've ever had on the Internet. And I've had a lot.
It's pretty dumb, because you made a dumb claim about wet bulb temperatures reaching 95 C more regularly.
Looking it up, Wikipedia put there being 10 examples of this. Ever. Globally.
That makes it an extremely rare event.
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AL: I agree if you were going to disagree with my original statement, the thing to take issue with was the word "regularly" since so far it has been very rate. Hence why we haven't seen mass die-offs from those temperatures. I think it's also clear that the trend is towards more of these situations, so the risk is increasing.
But Mr. Bumble is basically still trying to pretend that humans are totally fine under extremely hot and humid conditions. I really have no idea why. I guess he just likes to argue on the Internet even when its trivial to figure out that he's wrong.
I’m pretty sure that there were temperatures that exceeded 95 F on occasion through much of history, including pre-industrial civilization.
And pretty sure that whenever temperatures exceeded 95 F, humans didn’t suddenly suffer mass die-offs during that pre-industrial era
95 wet bulb is 95 only if the humidity is 100%.
At lower humidity levels the temperature has to be higher.
At 40% humidity the temperature has to hit 120 to give 95 wet bulb.
At 20%, 139 F.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that no humans survived for tens of thousands of years.
Who would've thought David Neirporent was a creationist?
Clearly though he's correct. Humans have only existed since God created them, in 4004 BC. They clearly haven't existed or survived for tens of thousands of years, that's longer than the Earth has existed!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people
Timing of the flu season in a given region is highly dependent on its latitude, as we first learned in concept about 40 years ago and has been considerably refined since then.
Factoring that in may further reduce some of the apparent variations between regions at any given point in time (both country and state level), though you wouldn't expect countries in tight geographic clusters (e.g., Sweden/Finland/Denmark) to change much if at all.
In any event, I too am glad it's now increasingly ok to talk openly about all sides of this issue.
Life of Brian 38 mins ago Flag Comment Mute User “Timing of the flu season in a given region is highly dependent on its latitude, as we first learned in concept about 40 years ago and has been considerably refined since then.”
That is why florida and southern Texas had a summer wave of covid while the northern “blue” states did not. Certainly not because the mitigation protocols were effective. Hope simpson curve.
Yup. It was unfortunate that actual science like that got shoved to the back burner in favor of ill-informed mobthought, because folks wanted so badly to stick it to the red states in general and Desantis in particular. Failing to age-adjust populations was another major flaw in state-to-state comparisons.
As of Nov 2021 - when I compiled the info from the raw data, the per capita deaths per 100k in the 65+ age group for all the states (except 7) fell within a very narrow range of 1130 and 1180 with no correlation between the blue states with high mitigation compliance and red states with low to moderate mitigation compliance. Florida was just slightly below the median. The 7 states which were notable exceptions were ME, NH VT, WA & HI which were much lower and NY & NJ which were much higher. The other 43 states, there were no discernable difference.
Same narrow range for various cities though I used counties instead of cities due to less reliable data
Why were NY and the People's Republic of NJ so much higher, in your estimation? = The 7 states which were notable exceptions were ME, NH VT, WA & HI which were much lower and NY & NJ which were much higher.
Commentator
For NH, ME and VT (and the island of HI) - I think the geography played a large role. I have no idea why WA was much lower.
NY and NJ got a bad start, though after the bad start, their 65+ per capita deaths rates compared to other states fell to a large degree because so many of the vunerable were eliminated early.
What was remarkable was how closely the per capita death rates by age group - For all practical purposes, every state wound up in the same place. I only computed the numbers for approx 15 counties, but they also fell within that narrow range . I attempted to calculate the per capital death rates for NYC , etc though ran into difficulting getting good age population data and death by age group due to data reported being commingled between city, bourrough, and county.
'In any event, I too am glad it’s now increasingly ok to talk openly about all sides of this issue.'
I saw a lot of people talking about the negative effects of lockdowns during the lockdowns - domestic violence, mental health problems, financial problems - none of them were the people screaming about ivermectin and poison vaccines who are jumping n this as some sort of vindication in opposing every single public health meeasure.
Sure most of the Conspirators have seen the story of the
"Armed Robber Shot Dead in Houston Taqueria"
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/local/2023/01/09/440822/houston-police-customer-who-killed-attempted-taqueria-robber-could-be-willing-to-meet-with-investigators/
Turns out the late Robber was sentenced to 15 years (for Armed Robbery of course) in 2015, but released in 2020 "due to Prison Staffing Shortages"
because of of course, Covid,
So, does the Dearly Departed Armed Robber count as a "Covid Related Death"
and it seems his mask didn't protect him much,
Frank
The shooter is even more of a legend now. Doing the job the state won't do.
Sweden recognized very early that the mitigation protocols were never going to be a viable mid term or long term solution.
Everyone who was paying attention figured that out fairly early on. But a combination of moral panic and public officials getting their dictator freak on prevented that knowledge from influencing public policy in most places.
In theory, a total and complete lockdown can stop an epidemic in its tracks. But only if it's comprehensive enough to cover everyone infected, and much more complete than any country, even China, is positioned to manage. So, by the time anybody knew Covid was around, it was too late for that.
And, in fact, early on public health authorities were candid about that: The lockdowns were promoted to "flatten the curve", supposedly saving lives, not by reducing total infections, but by just spreading them out enough that health facilities wouldn't be overwhelmed.
Later they stopped acknowledging that, of course, and started pretending that lockdowns could prevent infections, not just spread them out a bit.
I remember the Italian scare, where it turned out the average age of COVID death was the average life expectancy. I remember that cruise ship, packed to the gills with old folks for a week, and only a few (6? less than 1%?) died.
I only confess to being continually amazed at how many people took the CDC and Fauci and Brix and the rest seriously. I was just a little slow on the uptake there.
Brett - concur
Most of the covid science was dominated by the "science of the fear of covid" instead of a rational assessment of the science.
As has been obvious here at Volokh - numerous commentators have claimed I was wrong on every aspect of covid science, yet have never been able to point to a single item that I have gotten wrong. those individuals were getting their understanding of covid science from perpetrators of the "science of the fear of covid". Might have helped if they took the time to review the raw data and have an understanding of the long term solution.
And, in fact, early on public health authorities were candid about that: The lockdowns were promoted to “flatten the curve”, supposedly saving lives, not by reducing total infections, but by just spreading them out enough that health facilities wouldn’t be overwhelmed.
I wonder how much differently our country would have turned out, had our public health officials not gotten their lockdown freak on. We’ll be tabulating that lockdown freak on cost for decades. It will be mindblowing, I am sure. Just think about the elementary education setback, or diminished social skills. Whoa, that is a huge cost to the country.
Commentator -
What I stated at the start of the pandemic with regard to the lockdowns was that the lockdown proponents (the "pro - science" advocates were essentially advocating for the evolution of the human body such that the human species could only survive in a sterile environment. Which is exactly the opposite of what the human species needs to survive, as such , the mitigation was never a viable long term solution. That is the concept the "pro science " advocates never could conceivably grasp.
Note to EV: Although it is superficially counterintuitive, Wikipedia confirms by memory that per capita car deaths in the US were UP during the pandemic/lockdown period, 7.1% in 2020 and 10.5% in 2021, after 3 consecutive years of declining deaths (2017-2019).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year
It's almost as though folks were extra stressed/distracted those years for some reason I can't quite put my finger on.
It'll be interesting to see how this played out in 2022.
...or driving faster since there wasn't as much traffic. Speed is what kills in accidents, after all.
That would be covered by total excess deaths.
“All Causes” deaths, to a COVIDophobe, is like non-firearms homicides to a gun control advocate.
I can't help but wonder what would have happened if, instead of lockdowns, a major effort had been made to just upgrade HVAC systems to sterilize airflows, and do more frequent air changes. The amount that was spent on Covid probably could have replaced every HVAC system in the US.
Spoken like a true engineer.
Which is a good thing, right? 😊
I don't think engineering counts as "the science."
Engineering is a grubby workmen's boots type activity, not proper science. If your whole scheme can be refuted merely by the fact of your bridge falling down, and you can't easily resurrect it by just tweaking one of the assumptions in your computer model, you are not doing science. Whatever it is that you're doing, it's basically just trial and error in long pants.
Interesting perspective (if a bit acerbic). But it also sounds an awful lot like the "practice" of law or medicine. Are those also "grubby workman's boots" activities in your book?
Could well be that the money was there, but hard to imagine there would have been nearly enough manufacturing capacity to roll it all over in anything close to that short of a time -- even with Defense Production Act-style takeovers.
The real question, I think, is whether we're now going to patch the proverbial roof when it's no longer raining. Industries like the airlines figured out a long time ago there are a lot of benefits to oft-changed, highly-filtered air beyond helping to nip sudden outbreaks in the bud.
Also, thought this was something that might have been addressed going forward when "sick building syndrome" was a thing.
Yeah, I think much of it is in commercial new builds. But there's a LOT of legacy equipment out there, particularly in small-mid-size buildings.
Sick building syndrome is mostly about outside air changes. What would be important here would be room air changes, with sterilization. It doesn’t HAVE to be outside air, though that’s nice.
UVC sterilization is bio-safe for human exposure, because, while it can somewhat penetrate air, and is energetic enough to degrade micro-organisms, it can’t penetrate even the tear film on your eye, to say nothing about the dead, outer layer of skin. But it’s difficult to generate, just a bit too short wave for LEDs. You need gas tubes to produce it.
However, UVB, which is NOT bio-safe, (Because while less energetic, it WILL penetrate to live cells in your tissue.) IS easily generated with LEDs, and is perfect for sterilizing air flow through ductwork.
But just getting everybody to replace the cheap furnace filters with HEPA filters would have been productive.
Telling people to spend more time out of doors, instead of closing parks, would have been a smart move, too.
One thing they could have done early on, (And some epidemiologists did this themselves!) would have been to have distributed a live nasal vaccine consisting of the 4 corona virus "common colds". We had proof early on that prior exposure to them reduced your odds of getting Covid, and the severity if you did, by jump starting your immune response.
Would have saved a lot of lives, frankly, and was technically possible to do almost instantly. But our public health doctrine doesn't permit moves like that.
I am curious as to how effective the items you mentioned (HEPA filters, UVB and UVC) are against viruses?
ASHRAE, FWIW
Anecdotally, before we had MERV 12+ filters, when one of us (wife and I) got a cold, there was a 66.6666% chance both would get it. With MERV 12+ filters, the odds dropped to 33.3333%.
This is not a peer reviewed study :-).
But it was an easy upgrade. We have a 30 year old furnace, and all we did was change the filter. N.b. that some people report problems, e.g. blower motor problems, when they do that. We've been running the high MERV filters for several years now w/o issues. They are more expensive - maybe $30 a year instead of $6 a year???
I don't think that would have worked Brett. But yeah, that would have been money better spent (replacing HVAC systems), as opposed to what we have actually pissed away Covid-19 money upon.
Did Andrew Cuomo get all the ventilators he was demanding? How much was spent on rushing them into production and where are they now?
Meanwhile Wuflu 19 or some variant of it is still running rampant in China despite previous and current lock-downs.
Concur -
the point being of course - that the virus is far too deeply embedded into the general population of have any viable chance of containing the virus.
Because of the lockdowns. They preserved an immunologicly naive population that it could easily spread in, while the virus continued to evolve, basically assuring that their own population would fall behind in the arms race between virus and immune system.
Anyone remember the fake, psyop propaganda videos of people allegedly just collapsing in the streets from COVID in China? Way back just before it was hitting the US? Did anyone ever follow up on or dig deep into that one? Seems like our multitude of intrepid reporters would have tried to investigate a bit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/china/video-2094890/Video-Dramatic-footage-shows-people-collapsing-suddenly-Wuhan-city.html
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavirus/
What saved Sweden is that their Chief Epidemiologist (Anders Tegnell) only had an MSc in Epidemiology and had not yet drunk from the bitter waters that are demanded from a PhD in the field.
He looked at the data and made an independent decision, without heed to the reputations of the talking heads from America.
Also and importantly, even before there was much data he correctly placed the burden on those seeking massive, sweeping changes to society -- to degrees never realistically contemplated and oft actually discouraged -- to show that would yield a net benefit.
Much of the rest of the world flipped that burden (and the Precautionary Principle underlying it) directly on its head, to our collective detriment.
I think you're being too generous ... the rest of the world simply "flipped out" ... they panicked in the face of scant data - exactly the opposite of what public health authorities are supposed to do - and then worked overtime to cover up their own embarrassment.
I think some of it, in the US and maybe Europe, was a reaction to finding some spaghetti which had stuck to the wall because Trump couldn't (or wouldn't) do anything about it, and they were ecstatic at rubbing his nose in it. Trump didn't care; far as I know, he never made much move to rein in Fauci or Brix or the CDC.
Trump did the two things that were genuinely important:
1) Closing the barn door before ALL the horses were out.
and
2) Pushing vaccine development full speed ahead, curb stomping every bureaucratic effort to slow it down.
The lockdowns were state level, and outside his power to stop.
I'll give Trump credit for accelerating vaccine development.
Unfortunately, his chaotic response otherwise, lukewarm advocacy for vaccines and general hostility to public health measures are likely the cause of his party's subsequent rejection of vaccination campaigns and anything but a complete laissez-faire response to the pandemic. A lot of the blame for the super high US excess mortality numbers is reasonably attributable to him despite the fact that he did materially accelerate the time to market of vaccines in the US.
Trump contributed to his party’s general attitude for sure.
But don’t forget the effect of our public health authorities’ inconsistency as to big crowds. Private funeral for your dad not allowed, huge political funeral (ex. Floyd, Lewis) fine. Anti-lockdown demonstration bad. Going to the beach bad. BLM protest/riot fine.
They politicized their decisions, then are just bumfuzzled that the political side they have been saying no to decided that they aren’t trustworthy as to vaccines. Like it’s impossible to understand something so basic.
I'm not sure inconsistency on crowds can really be blamed for the anti-vaxx stuff. Or ivermectin. Or anti-masking. Sure, the anti-science crowd jumped on every mistake, mis-statement, mis-communication, poor decisions, etc, but they didn't criticise stuff that could be validly criticised, they used them as rhetorical pretexts to drive their hysterical conspiracies. It was cynical populist opportunism. They're not criticising the failures of the CDC now even though covid deaths are, what, two thousand a week?
Nige – curious who you are calling the anti science crowd
The CDC still has 7-8 flawed mask studies up on their website, 2 of which are borderline academic fraud. (the Kansas mask study and the Arizona Mask study)
Even with the flaws, the mask studies show that the claimed reduction in case rates only lasts for 8-12 weeks at which point the case rates for the pro-mask jurisdictions start exceeding the non mask jurisdictions. Note that the Kansas U (center for policy analysis ?) was fully aware that the non mask mandated counties had lower case rates at the close of the study period, yet refused to update their study.
Pretty sure I made that clear.
Yeah 'flawed,' right.
The idea that any piece of cloth covering the mouth and nose and staying 6 feet away from the each other was science is laughable.
See? Idiots can say dumb shit like this because there's a whole political movement built around opposing public health measures.
I don't disagree with this. The hyperpartisan reaction to everything in the US definitely made things worse, and leaders on the left and/or in public health definitely weren't consistent in ways that undermined their credibility.
Like I could even live with "yes, those BLM protests are also a bad idea but I understand why people feel so strongly; I'm going to participate virtually even though I would love to be there under normal circumstances, but I'm not going to judge too hard people ". But our political system basically rejects nuance so I'm unsurprised that we ended up with somewhat dumber takes instead.
We were poorly served by our “elites” through the pandemic because of how hyper partisan it became. Political, media, public health, business. All of them.
Some statements like the one you suggested related to the protests would have helped. A whole bunch of “we just don’t know” would have helped. Just be honest.
And please no outright lies. Early on when Fauci said that masks wouldn’t help I thought at the time that he was just saying that to save limited supplies for providers. Sure enough that was true. And all he did was give ammo to the anti-maskers for later use.
There is no clear science that communal masking works:
* Four RCTs on COVID and numerous on flu (before COVID) were unable to find significant benefit from masking.
* The pro-mask papers were largely observational in nature.
* With a wildly infectious disease, you need efficacy on the order of (1-1/d)%, where d is the average number of interactions of a person to have any measurable impact on overall infection rates ... one of the fundamental results from percolation theory is that epidemic spread is bimodal - either everyone gets sick or no-one does.
*( I can't seem to edit my post below) - (1-1/d) expressed as % (i.e., it is a number 0-1)
'And all he did was give ammo to the anti-maskers for later use.'
You can't give ammo to an ammo factory.
You could forgive people for panicking. It happens. Not for still pushing fear months and years later though.
The Biden Administration is still forcing non-citizens to be "fully vaccinated" to enter the US.
As I recall the real panic came from the people who were convinced that it was all a hoax designed to murder them with vaccines.
no one thought that except those imaginary people spinning in your head
There is basically nothing no one believes. Always remember that.
I'd say you're rewriting history, but you're literally rewriting the present.
Whereas Ben and his ilk want to shoot them with bullets instead of vaccines.
You never get tired of being dishonest.
"Looking at and aggregating percentage change in seasonally adjusted time series is something we typically want to be careful about.
This is gentle reproof. Averaging percentage changes like that, seasonally adjusted or not, is dangerous.
Suppose week 1 has 55 deaths, five more than normal, while week 2 has a normal 100 deaths. So you get 5% excess deaths.
But if week 1 had 50 and week 2 105 the same 155 deaths get you an excess rate of 2.5%.
Why not just add the actual figures for the period? I just did it for Sweden and got, ta-da, a radically different number: 2.69%. So in that case you got away with it.
What's pretty interesting is that virtually all the excess, for Sweden, was in 2020.
Much was written about this in 2020-21 -- search for "dry tinder" and Sweden in your engine of choice. In short, Sweden had significantly lower mortality in the elderly than its neighbors in the prior few years leading up to COVID, so a good deal of the 2020 excess was just reversion to the mean. It's been a while since I looked at the numbers, but it's entirely possible that once you factor that out there was very little actual excess in 2020, as in 2021 onward.
Bernard,
One should not average. Rather compute correlation functions with different binning periods and with shifted binning. Even in high statistics, experimental particle physics one sees multiple cases of "new particles" appearing and disappearing as the data binning is changed.
For example, deaths show a characteristic drop on the weekends. That can be seen from a straight-forward fast Fourier transform of the raw data.
Don,
I agree one should not average. But I don't understand what correlation you want to calculate here. Excess deaths in Sweden and ???
Bernard,
One should correlate the time series of mortality vs various risk factors and the time series of mitigations mitigations measures over a large range of nations.
The raw number of excess deaths pre- and post pandemic cannot be meaningful without majors "corrections" to those data as excess deaths range from negative values to very large values. When you do those corrections including other disasters epidemics and environmental factors and corrections for varying levels of morbidity of variants, you are likely coming close to manipulating data to get a desired answer. There for I have always avoided using "excess deaths" in my published work.
Retrospection is awesome, particularly when it reveals the power of simplicity.
In the year before CoViD, Duke University agreed to pay the government $112.5 million to resolve allegations that it violated the False Claims Act by submitting applications and progress reports that contained falsified research on federal grants to the National Institutes of Health (NIH). [United States ex rel. Thomas v. Duke University, et al., https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/duke-university-agrees-pay-us-1125-million-settle-false-claims-act-allegations-related%5D. It is fortuitous that Great Leader Fauci and public agencies kept this sort of fraud uppermost in their minds throughout the pandemic.
In the year before CoViD, federal/state partnerships, at taxpayer expense, provided scientific guidance regarding pandemic influenza -- "Pan Flu" as the Great Leader and his comrades called it at the time -- including such things as $1000+ dinners for Pan Flu Fighters, tee-shirts, first aid kits, flying discs ("pans that fly", no kidding), and numerous scholarly studies defining proper public policy responses. It is fortuitous that Virginia and other states have so carefully preserved the expense records for such endeavors.
In the decade before CoViD, the Great Leader learned many lessons, some during the battle against anthrax (during which a contractor, but not the NIH, correctly identified anthrax and initiated response). [https://www.rwjf.org/en/blog/2011/10/anthony-s-fauci-reflects-on-the-2001-anthrax-attacks.html]
In the 4000 years before CoViD, Leviticus has provided the most scientifically sound medical advice regarding the handling of contagious disease. This is not surprising, as a companion text records the prevalent cosmology theory (words to the effect of "And God said 'Let there be light,' and BANG! there was light.").
The government of Sweden doesn’t hate the people of Sweden.
Countries that had higher covid cases than Sweden had lower covid deaths. There's a LOT of moving parts to be assessed, and I suspect the overall conclusions will be too complex to be boiled down to simple declaratives.
Can't wait for Sarcastr0 to come share his wisdom on statistics in this thread!
Masochist.
This seems right as far as it goes.
I just am not sure if so goes Sweden so goes every other country in the world.
What percentage of Swedes work in air conditioned spaces? What percentage of U.S. people do? Reason I ask is that the warm-weather parts of the U.S. (the Southwest and Southeast, principally) suffered notable summertime spikes in Covid cases. It is plausible to suppose that summertime indoor crowding worked in those areas similarly to the way winter indoor crowding for heat did elsewhere. Did Sweden escape such summertime spikes because its summer climate is cooler (than in Arizona, or Virginia, or Georgia, or, for that matter, in Italy)?
Also, I think Covid deniers are missing a bet. Why not extend the evaluation period for more than a year? Why not wait until a ten-year post-pandemic record can be averaged in?
Also, Professor Volokh, you on board now with the anti-public-health crowd? I hadn't expected, "People are asking," stuff like this from you. I thought your fields were fulsome principle for the 1A, and law-abiding-gun-owners for the 2A.
"I think Covid deniers are missing a bet. "
1) Here you go again, begging the question.
2) Here you go again, ignoring epidemiology and virology. The various variants of SARS-CoV-2 have had dramatically different degrees of virulence and contagion. Averaging over many variants is medically meaningless.
3) You can't refrain from your condescending insults such as "Covid deniers" and "anti-public-health crowd."
You must have been a shitty newspaper man.
He is also not aware of the hope simpson curve. Florida's and south texas 2020 & 2021 summer surges were quite consistent with the historical norm for all pandemics
Again, he's "not aware of" it because it's something you made up. Or, more likely, you saw it posted on a blog somewhere by some kook, and you keep repeating it because you like what (you think) it means without being knowledgeable enough to realize that it was made up.
Seriously, people: try to look up the phrase in any technical source: it doesn't exist.
http://hsmap.rice.edu/
David - any particular reason you continue to embarrass yourself with your repetitive opinining on subject matter that you have near zero knowledge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edgar_Hope-Simpson
Ouch. Literally the very first Google hit is one of Roger Hope Simpson's papers. Thirty seconds of reading shows Simpson's lifelong passion is Epidemiology.
You might want to stick to pedantic legal points David. I think technical discourse might be a bit out of your wheelhouse.
Um, I didn't say he made up a person named Hope-Simpson. I said he made up this "Hope Simpson Curve" notion.
You know, David, if you'd engaged in the least shred of intellectual curiosity by clicking on any of the links supplied (including the ones I posted to Hope-Simpsons seminal paper on the subject as well as a recent, finer-grained graph here early in the discussion), you might not have come back and stuck your foot back in your mouth yet again. You really need to just take the L here and move on to a different thread where you have a better chance of bluffing your way out of it.
This is a legal blog. Maybe it is simply the difference in the lawyer mindset and the scientist mindset. The scientist reads the paper and attempts to better understand the model of how the world works. The lawyer reads the paper and finds they didn't label their graphs appropriately.
Agree that the legal profession seems to disproportionately attract people inclined to replace critical thinking with cheap gotcha points, and David may well have cut his teeth in an environment where that sort of behavior was particularly encouraged/rewarded. But to the extent it's of any comfort, there are a number of us that at least try to buck that trend.
Nico, everybody knows that newspaper people get to rely on crude generalizations. For instance, if contagion unexpectedly piles thousands of corpses in the streets of Manhattan (albeit corpses tastefully concealed in refrigerated trailers), a newspaper person is entitled to consider that occurrence as evidence that something unusual has happened.
Pejorative opinions to describe gratuitously deadly pro-contagion advocacy also come naturally. As shitty newspaper people down through the decades have known, deadly contagion usually finds few cheerleaders. This time there were tens of millions. That does raise questions, but noticing it does not beg them.
Great non-response using many words and multiple instances of question begging. Perhaps overblown, hyperbolic rhetoric sells papers, but I am not an expert on that question.
Lantrop comment – “Also, I think Covid deniers are missing a bet. Why not extend the evaluation period for more than a year? Why not wait until a ten-year post-pandemic record can be averaged in?”
Study period of a year – what a great idea.
At the same time – lathrop fails to note that the “PRO-SCIENCE ” studies have cut off the study periods for vaccines after 5-6 months, boosters after only 3-4months and the study period for masking after 8-12 weeks to hide the waning effectiveness.
"waning effectiveness"
Effectiveness is barely relevant anyway. Everyone eventually gets Covid. What’s the supposed benefit of getting Covid in October instead of August?
China showed us all what happens when you have extremely effective public health measures: you make everyone much worse off for an extra year or two and then everyone gets Covid anyway.
Is it REASONable to restrict this analysis to OECD countries? How did lockdowns affect Oceania, China, South Korea? Some people have the courage to seek evidence that contradicts their bias.