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Some Thoughts on Last Week's Oral Argument in the Affirmative Action Cases
I was asked to give some brief remarks on the affirmative action cases at a panel discussion at the University of Baltimore today. I typed up some notes, and I thought they were worth sharing:
- I think at least seven Justices, including Kagan on the left, converged on the notion that given the requirement of strict scrutiny for racial classifications, that use of such classifications for admissions must be narrowly tailored to serve a compelling interest—that universities must seriously consider and to a significant extent exhaust non-racial alternatives to achieve diversity before using racial preferences. If Kennedy and O'Connor were still the swing votes, I could imagine a narrow opinion along those lines, saying that Harvard's and UNC's admissions policies did not pass strict scrutiny because they did not properly explore and try race-neutral alternatives, such as eliminating alumni preferences.
- But I don't expect such a narrow opinion. First, the Court has grown more conservative. Second, I think the conservatives gave the clear impression that they think the defendants and similarly situated schools have been openly cheating—the Court keeps telling them they need to use race is a narrowly tailored way, and they keep acting as if the Court told them they could do whatever they want so long as they don't use hard quotas. Unlike Justice O'Connor in Grutter and Justice Powell in Bakke before her, I don't think anyone in the current majority trusts universities to obey any rule that provides any wiggle room. It doesn't help that the conservative Justices are personas non grata at elite universities these days. Recall that Justice Kavanaugh was teaching at Harvard until totally unsubstantiated allegations of a decades-old sexual assault were leveled against him, at which point he lost that gig. The Justices' ties to the elite establishment are much weaker than they once were.
- I thought it was a terrible strategy by UNC's lawyer, and Harvard's to a lesser extent, to deny that race can be a dispositive factor in admission. You can't with a straight face argue that race is never dispositive, but banning the university from considering race will lead to a plunge in diversity. That's mathematically impossible.
- The Court was much more interested than it has been in previous cases as to whether the classifications used by the universities are coherent and really are diversity-enhancing. Justice Alito pressed UNC's lawyer on why it makes sense to use "Asian American" as a diversity classification when it encompasses everyone from Afghans to Filipinos (though in fact Afghans are officially white, but you could substitute Pakistanis). Justice Kavanaugh asked which box Middle Eastern Americans should check off, I think trying to raise the point that many people think of Middle Easterners as people of color who would add to diversity, but are classified by the Common App and by universities as white. Remarkably, the attorney claimed not to know the answer, even though the Common App specifically puts Middle Easterners into the white category.
- More generally, there has been a real shift from the dynamics of Bakke in 1978 to the situation today. In Bakke, while most students admitted into the quota program in that case were Chicano or Asian American, the debate was almost entirely over whether affirmative action may be used to make up for discrimination against African Americans, with slots that would have otherwise gone to white applicants. In the last 44 years, the US has grown much more ethnically and racially diverse, such that 25% of the 18 year population is Hispanic compared to 15% African American, and Asian Americans, around 1% of the population in 1978, are now more like 7%, and draw from an incredible array of countries and cultures. This really complicates the debate, as the beneficiaries of affirmative action are no longer primarily black Americans, and at least in elite university admissions, those who may be subject to higher standards in admissions are often Asian rather than white, and Harvard in particular seems to make it more difficult for people classified as Asian to be admitted than whites.
- Justice Kavanaugh, interestingly, suggested a possible compromise that brings us back the original impetus for affirmative action. He asked whether universities could implement a preference for descendants of American slaves, as a non-racial classification that would therefore not be subject to strict scrutiny.
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most students admitted into the quota program in that case were Chicago or Asian American
Those damn Chicago Americans, always demanding special treatment.
Hi geniuses. How about a line in the application, what are the incomes of your parents? That can be verified.
Students can identify as members of any crybaby minority they please, and none may question it. That cannot be verified.
This would seem to be the easiest way to get what universities claim they want. And if they used income no one would complain. This is as obvious to the universities as it is to anyone else. If the universities refuse to use income then there must be a reason it doesn't accomplish what they want. The question being, what?
Admission based on income or SES gets the university many children of South- and East-Asian restaurant workers but very few minorities of the desired skin color.
Hey (not)genius-- it's already in the FAFSA.
"Justice Kavanaugh, interestingly, suggested a possible compromise that brings us back the original impetus for affirmative action. He asked whether universities could implement a preference for descendants of American slaves, as a non-racial classification that would therefore not be subject to strict scrutiny."
...and just what would be the requirements to prove descent?
A trial balloon that should be a lead balloon.
What are the requirements to prove Hispanic, Native American, or African American status now? It's whoever checks the box.
You lost me. I thought that this is what you've been arguing against.
I don't think he's arguing for it here, just acknowledging that Kavanaugh suggested it.
So one more dishonest dodge for the racists of the university system to hang their hat on until next time.
Legally, Brazilians are not hispanics... Just white
Always be wary of proposals that are technically not a thing, but are in effect exactly that thing.
You will have to provide DNA evidence. You will find 1/2 of it comes from the British Isles.
"a non-racial classification"
All slaves were black. So, it would still be a racial classification.
No, all slaves were NOT black. That’s been proven repeatedly. Though towards the end all the Southern slaves were ‘black’ in the sense that if you were a slave, you’d be declared to be black be you ever so white. Didn’t mean you actually WERE black. It was just a sort of legal fiction.
Hm, but I wonder how that would be applied to cases like this?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-bust-modern-day-slavery-ring-new-effort-immigration-enforcement-rcna8273
Or this?
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/03/nyregion/immigrants-from-china-pay-dearly-to-be-slaves.html
Or descendants of the Chinese “Coolie” slaves in 19th century California?
"That’s been proven repeatedly. "
No it has not. Whites were only indentured servants who mainly voluntarily signed up*, were not bound for life and their children were not automatically also indentured servants.
I suppose indentured servant is temporary slavery but in colonial America, such servants had rights and were not treated like chattel slaves.
*the English did send convicts but prisoners work today, they aren't slaves
No, Bob. There were literal white slaves. Both at the time of the founding, and around the time of the Civil war. Not just indentured servants, though you fail to understand how little breathing room there was between indentured servitude and slavery in some of the states.
At the time of the Civil war there were no 'white' slaves, only in the sense that if you were a slave, you were 'black' as a legal fiction regardless of your race, in the South.
No, Brett, there were not. I mean, you might be autistically not understanding that someone with relatively light skin but African ancestry was black, not white. It was not a "fiction." Black referred to ancestry, not literal skin color.
you might be autistically not understanding that someone with relatively light skin but African ancestry was black, not white
I think his point is that a person with 1/16 black ancestry, and termed black by the law, was in fact not black.
Yes, all slaves were black. That's been proven repeatedly.
But Bob is wrong, of course; he's applying disparate impact reasoning to a disparate treatment situation.
Trivially false; Native Americans and occasionally Hispanics were also held as slaves. Not many, but it clearly disproves your assertion - unless you are actually claiming that Brett is correct and it was just a legal fiction...? No?
But not all blacks were slaves, certainly not at the time of the Civil War.
Barack Obama had a white mother and an African father who came here in the 1960s. He is not a descendant of slaves.
He was, however, a descendant of slavers. So there's that.
Was that written on his Kenyan birth certificate?
"All slaves were black. So, it would still be a racial classification."
Even assuming that, not all blacks were slaves. There are many black people in the US today who are not descended from slaves, but from people who came to the US after slavery was abolished. So the rule would benefit not all blacks based on nothing but their skin color, but specifically the blacks whose families were victims of US slavery. The remedy would specifically target the evil. That's what we usually look for in a rule.
Would giving preferences to descendants of slaves create a disparate impact problem? The universities would be choosing a policy that would not only (almost entirely) benefit blacks but the policy would have chosen for that exact purpose?
Well, that depends: what is slavery, and who counts as the descendant of a slave? Is indentured servitude a form of slavery? Serfdom? Nearly 100% of Europeans alive today are descendants of slaves in those senses. (And similarly high percentages for other groups would not surprise me, depending solely on if the societies their ancestors hailed from had slavery or not).
If we specifically mean American slavery, the indentured servitude question is still relevant.
Of course it means American slavery. And, no, indentured servitude — though nobody would call it pleasant — was nothing like chattel slavery.
But it's still a problem, because how descended from slavery would one have to be? ½? ¼? One slave ancestor 160 years ago?
That indentured servitude was not chattel slavery, no one would dispute. But it is still slavery. Similarly, forced labor in prison is slavery that happened in America, many of whom have descendants.
I've seen reasonable arguments that there were non-blacks in chattel slavery, although I won't defend them here, I also won't dismiss them.
And arguably there have been other forms of slavery in this country (including modern practices like companies holding passports/visas to put an immigrant worker at the mercy of their employer).
Yes, but that's already illegal. Hitting someone over the head with a baseball bat and taking his wallet also makes that person suffer, but that would be an odd basis on which to give admissions preferences.
Well, sure... Heck, I'm not even going to defend giving preference to descendants of slaves. My point is mostly that, well, there's been a lot of forms of slavery over the ages, and just about everyone is descended from someone who was enslaved at one point in time. So if you're just giving preference to 'descendants of slaves'...
(If anything, I'm arguing giving preference to people who can claim that is silly, because its basically all of us).
You can't with a straight face argue that race is never dispositive, but banning the university from considering race will lead to a plunge in diversity.
Nor can you argue that race is a "factor," but never dispositive. If it's a factor it has to be dispositive sometimes. Otherwise it's not a factor.
Bingo. If it's a factor at all, it's going to be dispositive on the margins.
"He asked whether universities could implement a preference for descendants of American slaves, as a non-racial classification that would therefore not be subject to strict scrutiny."
Doesn't this run afoul of the nobility clause? At least in spirit? Not even pretending that the benefit is based on anything but your distinguished ancestry?
Anyway, hopefully that proposal was DOA, it's transparently a plan for perpetual preferences.
So your plan is to argue that affirmative action grants the descendants of slaves titles as American aristocracy?!
No, my plan is to argue that affirmative action, as presently practiced, violates the 14th amendment when practiced by state actors, and is offensive racism on the part of non-state actors. Because the nobility clause is kind of a long shot argument, its one of those parts of the Constitution the judiciary like to ignore.
But, yes, if you give somebody a benefit purely on the basis of their ancestry? It in effect makes them hereditary nobility.
"Offensive racism" is...a revealing qualification.
But yes, good to see you return to the more mainstream conservative arguments, albeit dripping in white resentment-based.
Because guess who benefits from their birth? Children of the wealthy and powerful. And guess what direction those folks skew demographically?
A color blind society is not mandated by the 14A, based both on text and history.
And it locks in the status quo. Which locks out a bunch of talent from groups that don't look like our usual workforce, and a lot of beneficial group dynamics.
Your formalistic equality argument is not equal in fact, and is actively suboptimal socially in practice.
Like some members of Congress?
Like almost every member of Congress, with a few exceptions.
What resentment? I got into a good college the old fashioned way, by coming close to acing the SAT. I could have gotten into any college I wanted, regardless of whether they were extending illegal racial preferences to people who weren't white enough to glow in the dark.
I am kind of concerned on behalf of my mixed race son, because as a Filipino/American he'd be discriminated against at many universities, and much more heavily than was prevalent in the 70's. Eh, but he can pass for black if he just wears sunglasses to hide his 'slant' eyes, so he's probably good.
You find even private diversity initiatives offensive, but not any of the many systemic things that demonstrably effect black people.
Maybe it's not personal, but it sure is asymmetric!
"And it locks in the status quo."
I think you have that backwards. Any kind of ancestry based differences in how we treat people lock in the status quo because you can't ever change your ancestry.
As opposed to socio-economic status, which can and does change over generations (and indeed, over the course of an individual lifetime). Giving Oprah's kids preference over, say, dirt poor Hmong refugees is locking in the status quo, not overturning it.
Any kind of ancestry based differences in how we treat people lock in the status quo because you can’t ever change your ancestry.
This assumes the impact of ancestry is the same 'direction' as the impact of ancestry-based initiatives. I used quotes there because in reality a 1-dimenstional word like direction is really reductive.
Class mobility has plummeted lately; I'd like to do something about that as well.
While I do think race-based affirmative action is good, I've always held that it cannot be the only demographic push we look at. And class should absolutely be part of it. But there are unique race and gender-based challenges as well. And also ancestral stuff.
Which is why I'm all for quotas being unconstitutional - easy, but way too reductive.
So you're also stating that legacy admissions makes the students of alumni hereditary nobility?
Doesn’t this run afoul of the nobility clause? At least in spirit? Not even pretending that the benefit is based on anything but your distinguished ancestry?
I'd say legacy/big donor preferences come closer to being grants of nobility than affirmative action.
But I think those expire with the next generation if you don't also keep up the family tradition of coughing up the dough.
I think those expire with the next generation if you don’t also keep up the family tradition of coughing up the dough.
LOL.
Legacy/parental-donor preferences are decisions by private institutions. They are not constrained by the nobility clause.
On the other hand, affirmative action (as currently practiced) is quite often done by government agents who could be so constrained.
Note: I am not aware of any state-sponsored schools with a significant history of legacy admissions preferences. In my limited experience, that seems to be more a thing for private schools. If it is common practice in state-sponsored schools and I'm just not aware of it, you are correct that it will be a difficult precedent to get around.
"Doesn’t this run afoul of the nobility clause? At least in spirit? Not even pretending that the benefit is based on anything but your distinguished ancestry?"
Nope. Not somethin granted by Congress for one thing.
There are two title of nobility clauses, and the second (article I, section 10) does prohibit states from granting them.
This observation is not intended as a defense of Brett Bellmore’s position.
But we are talking about private universities, aren't we?
Well, Kavanaugh did ask the question in the UNC case. (And the Harvard case, to be clear.)
No. This has been yet another episode of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions.
The problems of "descendants of slaves" being given a preference are (1) is there any endpoint, or does it go on forever? and (2) what if the person's family was already compensated, so to speak. For example, a descendant of slaves whose parents went to Harvard and then succeeded in a profession.
So it's an ill-considered idea, IMO.
Going on forever isn't a problem, the whole point of making it the descendants of slaves is that it go on forever.
(that is not in fact the whole point)
"The problems of “descendants of slaves” being given a preference are (1) is there any endpoint, or does it go on forever?"
Is there any endpoint to how they are doing it now, or does it go on forever?
There isn't, but this substitute has been proposed as an alternative to race-based AA. It's now 150 years after slavery. How long does this proposed preference go on? And does it take into account that some descendants of slaves have done very well, either through AA or just general opportunity.
Which is why, as I said, it's a bad idea.
There hasn't been much of an endpoint to the way the slaves and their freed descendants and people who look similar to their freed descendants are treated. Jim Crow, red-lining, underfunded schools, lopsided criminal justice system, etc. Every time there's a breakthrough in civil rights, the less civil among us with power figure out a new way to press their thumb down and keep things unequal.
Now it's children, especially white children (without regard for whether their parents were citizens during slavery or not), cannot learn about the impacts of slavery because it might make them uncomfortable. What's the endpoint for that B.S.?
Blah blah blah David's lying blah blah blah.
There are four lights.
I didn’t take Kavanaugh to be seriously suggesting a “descendants of slaves” option. I think he was using it as an example of the problem of defining what a “race-neutral alternative” even is. Sotomayor was even more blunt that the concept of a “race-neutral alternative” is just stupid.
And it is. If Harvard can switch to “race-neutral alternatives” and still maintain the same levels of diversity, what, everyone will be happy? Asians will be all “ok, well as long as they’re discriminating on the basis of race-neutral alternatives, it’s fine?”
If a company has 100 applicants for 10 spots and decides it will only hire from the subset of white applicants to fill those spots, even aside from the illegality most people would condemn that. If that company instead puts the applications into a hat and picks 10 at random, and they all turn out to be white, most people would not have a problem with that. Because one is fair and one isn't.
Yeah, but that’s not what would happen, because Harvard doesn’t want to leave it to chance. Instead it would say hm, well, we’re only going to hire people who make six figures, don’t have sickle-cell anemia, play lacrosse instead of basketball, live in the Hamptons rather than Brooklyn, and aren't descendants of slaves. All “race-neutral alternatives.” Oh look, we got 10 white people “at random!”
The schools can't switch to "race neutral" and still admit more kids with African backgrounds (whether american or not) because that would cut into one of metrics schools want to hit more than "enough African background" and "enough Hispanic". That metric is "enough very,very rich kids, enough very rich kids and enough kids from politically powerful or visible families."
One thing I think many people overlook is that one reason the "elite" emerge from these institutions is they would be "elite" whether or not they went to the schools. Those from non-elite families who do manage to get it also benefit from making connections with the already-elite. Does this mean the education at the school isn't great? No-- it certainly can be. But having a sufficient number of "already in the elite" kids enrolled is one of the reasons the schools are "elite".
The school's current approach allows them to achieve "racial diversity" by admitting more kids who can check the "african" or "hispanic" box without needing to admit kids whose family have lower incomes (and generally no powerful political connections.) Other suggested approaches could increase "african/hispanic" diversity but at the expense of admitting poor, middle class or even not just "very rich" kids from other ethnic groups. No other method would allow them to achieve what they call "diversity" while maintaining a very high level of "kids from the top 1% of income and wealth."
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/10/17/barton-make-rich-friends-at-harvard/