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From My Commonplace Book, 2
Robert Oppenheimer on the death of FDR.
[For a brief explanation of this series of posts, see here]
Robert Oppenheimer's speech at a special meeting of the Manhattan Project staff at Los Alamos, NM on April 15, 1945, commemorating FDR's death:
When, three days ago, the world had word of the death of President Roosevelt, many wept who were unaccustomed to tears. Many men and women, little enough accustomed to prayer, prayed to God. Many of us looked with deep trouble to the future. Many of us felt less certain that our works would be to a good end. All of us were reminded of how precious a thing human greatness is. We have been living through years of great evil, and of great terror. Roosevelt has been our President, our Commander-in-Chief, and, in an old and unperverted sense, our leader. All over the world men and women have looked to him for guidance, and have seen symbolized in him the hope that the evil of these times will not be repeated, that the terrible sacrifices which have been made, and those that are still to be made, will lead to a world more fit for human habitation.
In the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad Gita, it says 'Man is a creature whose substance is faith. What his faith is, he is.' The faith of Roosevelt is one that is shared by millions of men and women in every country of the world. For this reason it is possible to maintain the hope -- for this reason it is right that we should dedicate ourselves to the hope -- that his good works will not have ended with his death.
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For reasons I can't quite articulate, I find this quotation incredibly moving. It comes from Richard Rhodes' magnificent book The Making of the Atomic Bomb, which I enthusiastically recommend to anyone even remotely interested in the history of the 20th Century, the nature of matter in the universe, the way global science operates, or the intersection of science, politics, and warfare.
Rhodes tells two stories: One describes the work of a global community of physicists, an astonishing number of whom were Jewish refugees fleeing the fascism then sweeping over Europe, to understand the structure of the atom, beginning with Ernest Rutherford's discovery of the neutron in 1909 and culminating a mere 25 years later in Niels Bohr's proof that a self-sustaining nuclear reaction, emitting incomprehensibly large amounts of energy, was a theoretical possibility.
That's the physics; Part Two is about the engineering, and it is even more jaw-dropping. The effort required to convert Bohr's theoretical possibility into a usable and effective weapon was truly staggering, involving tens of thousands of individuals, many billions of dollars, the creation from scratch of not one but three separate small towns to house Manhattan Project workers (Oak Ridge TN, Hanford WA, and Los Alamos NM), construction of the world's first nuclear reactor and the world's first gaseous diffusion plant to produce the raw material for the bomb, and the design and construction of a bomb that was unlike, in every conceivable way, any weapon the world had ever seen before.
And all this was taking place while the U.S. was in the midst of a ferocious two-front global war, and when nobody was at all certain that any of it would actually work. And all in secret!
That they pulled it off in five years of work defies the imagination; if you have any doubts that governments can, sometimes, achieve tremendous things, this is the book for you. Bohr himself had written, back in '35, that the destructive potential of a fission-based weapon was just a theoretical possibility, unrealizable in the real world, because it would require substantial quantities of the isotope Uranium-235, which is only present in infinitesimally minute quantities in nature. To get enough for even a single bomb, he wrote, "you would have to turn the entire country into a factory." In 1944 he comes to the U.S. and is taken on a several-week tour of the Oak Ridge, Hanford, and Los Alamos facilities, at the end of which he turns to Oppenheimer and says: "You see, I was right! You've turned the entire country into a factory."
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In secret from Nazis, probably; even if there were leaks, there were probably too many Jews involved for the taste of the Nazis in charge. But not at all secret from the Soviets.
Stalin knew it worked before Truman did. The Soviets had at least two spies at Los Alimos alone...
Would it fairer to say "some government officials attracted teams of skilled scientists who were passionate about their work and eager to succeed with various motivations at work." As noted, the top secret projects meant virtually no one in "government" knew about the work.
Or could have understood it.
There was, however, concerns of Congressional inquests if the bomb didn't go bang.
In Command and Control Eric Schlosser describes the dispersal of scientists and engineers after the war. In 1947 the United States was effectively no longer a nuclear power. It took years for the arms race to get into gear.
" In 1947 the United States was effectively no longer a nuclear power."
That is complete nonsense. In the progress toward the first thermonuclear device at Los Alamos was steady and resulted in the successful Mike experiment in 1953. A second nuclear weapons design lab was founded at Livermore. From there, progress toward deployable nuclear weapons was swift.
My grandmother had a picture of FDR in the outhouse, framed by a toilet seat.
He had said "I will not send your boys into a foreign war" when he ran for re-election in 1940.
The coast of Maine went from all-democrat to all-republican in just one election in 1934. Entire towns of 30-50 voters, so if you know who was a voter there/then, you know how they voted in the 1920s. People I knew to be complaining about the G*d dn Democrats" had been Democrats!
FDR had been like Trump...
FYI, the Jap attack on Pearl Harbor and subsequent Declarations of War by Japan/Germany/Italy were December 1941. Like Spike Lee, FDR "Did the Right Thang"
FDR LIED.
He was already deep into Lend/Lease and didn’t have to make that promise.
Note that the aircraft carriers just happened to not be in Pearl Harbor on the 7th. He knew it would be Pearl, Manila, or Midway — and didn’t warn them.
Of course the Japanese made the mistake of not hitting the oil tanks. Those were all above ground tanks, set a few on fire and the rest would go up. Particularly back then with what they didn't have on terms of automatic valves, containment, and firefighting.
No. FDR's military expertise was insignificant; if he had thoughts of Pearl Harbor, they were misinformed speculation.
And the fuel tanks, along with the entire third strike, were a myth. he Japanese had lost something like 100 planes, 1/3 of their force, incapable of further operations that day and needed to keep enough on the carriers for defense.
The repair yards were far too large for any puny raid by 100 bombers and fighters to do any significant damage.
The fuel tanks were too thick for the Japanese guns to do more than sprinkle a few holes around, and each tank was surrounded by dirt berms meant to contain catastrophic rupture; they would have contained mere leaks without problem. Each tank was covered by a floating lid, so there was no air/fuel vapor inside to explode. There were 96 tanks, I think; more than the available attackers even if they had each scored a perfect hit.
Look for a book named "Attack on Pearl Harbor" by Alan Zimm. Full of details on how poorly the attack was designed and executed. One simple example: the leader was to fire one flare for surprise achieved (the torpedo bombers should go first while things were quiet) and two flares for alerted base (the dive bombers should go first to suppress AA fire). He fired one flare. No one reacted. He fired one flare again. Everyone took off -- the dive bombers who saw two flares, and the torpedo bombers who saw one flare. Any half-assed procedure would have used different colors.
I've seen a case made that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a blessing for the US Navy. Over half of the dead came from one battleship, the Arizona. At the tine the US Navy was outclassed by the Japanese Navy. If the Japanese wouldn't have hit Pearl Harbor, all of those battleships would have gone out to meet the Japanese Fleet. Between the Japanese night gunnery skills and their Long Lance torpedo's Many of those ships would have been lost, unrecoverable in deep water and the loss of life would have been much higher.
Yes, FDR was a terrible President. He lied to get us into war. His economic policies were also terrible.
What on earth does 1934 have to do with anything, and what does your made up anecdote that didn't happen show?
Troll better
So your grandmother was an America Firster, eh?
Not something I'd admit...
S_0,
Remember, this is Mr Ed speaking
And S0 responding.
Oh crap, he's back? I had not glanced at the handle.
I felt it was my duty to warn you.
When I was a boy, my parents used to take me to the Museum of Natural History in New York, and point out the statue of “the good Roosevelt.” That didn’t mean that they didn’t believe in democracy or freedom, though Robert Oppenheimer, David Post, and Sarcastro apparently think that faith in those things requires worship of FDR.
Yes, that is what all of us said - everyone was talking about worshiping FDR.
Rutherford did not discover the neutron. James Chadwick, another Brit, was the discoverer. The OP writer should get his facts straight.
Rutherford was credited with discovering the nucleus; but his assistants Geiger and Marsden designed and performed the experiments and deserved to share the Rutherford's Nobel Prize
Our Germans were better than the Germans Germans
My dad always said that one of the top Gean scientists made an arithmetic mistake calculating the weight of heavy water.
I second the recommendation for Rhodes' Making of the Atomic Bomb. It is a great story. But also his second book "Dark Sun" about the making of the hydrogen bomb.
Thirded. One of my favorites.
Though only read Dark Sun if you like espionage.
Indeed: GULAG, Holodomor, the Holocaust, the Great Leap Forward...
As some (other) statist said: "Government is simply the name we give to the things we choose to do together." Sounds wonderful, doesn't it?
He also reportedly said, “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds,” in another reference to the Bhagavad Vita.
Oppenheimer was also a Communist, and the nuclear secrets leaked to the Soviet Union by the project under his authority. It was never proved that he was a spy, but he loyalties were questionable.
Roger,
There is no evidence whatsoever that Oppenheimer was complicit in any manner with the leaking of information of the Manhattan Project to the Soviet Union.
His loyalty was questioned and his clearances were revoked. They were reinstated posthumously whatever good that does.
Roger, you’re badly misinformed about Oppenheimer.
They put him under a fine toothed comb and found nothing. It was just about proven as it could be that he was not a spy.
There is no question as to his loyalties.
You agree that he was a Communist? There are questions about his loyalties, as that he why he lost his security clearance.
He was not a Communist. There were no legitimate questions about his loyalties, either during his life nor after his death as historians (including Richard Rhodes) took a close look.
It is pretty universally accepted that he lost his security clearance in error. Though it was not his fault alone, Edward Teller never really lived it down.
Where are you getting the info which drives your opinion? I've read a number of biographies of him, as well as both of Rhode's books that discuss him, and no one has any doubt that he was anything other than a loyal America with some doubts about the destructive power he'd unleashed on the world.
S_0 did not admit that Oppie was a Communist. He did have Communist associations , but there are not documents indicating party membership.
S_0,
Correction: There was a question in the early 50's and hence his clearances were revoked. They were reinstated by Sec. Energy Moniz.
Gen. Groves. who administered the Manhattan Project, know about Oppie's Communist associations and yet argued strongly to have him lead the effort at Los Alamos.
I repeat what I had said, "There is no evidence whatsoever that Oppenheimer was complicit in any manner with the leaking of information of the Manhattan Project to the Soviet Union."
His wife and brother were members of the Communist Party. He clearly had Communist sympathies. The bomb secrets were leaked under his watch. These facts are relevant to why he praised FDR so much.
Quite the walk back, now.
Also FDR is a communist now, I guess.
Roger,
Oppie was investigated before he was appointed to lead Los Alamos. Gen Groves supported him and he insisted on his appointment.
That Klaus Fuchs spied for the Soviets had nothing to do with Oppenheimer.
Your insinuations about spying at Los Alamos have nothing to do with Oppenheimer's opinion about FDR.
I said that it was never proved that he was a spy. It was proved that he had Communist connections and sympathies. Yes, a lot of Commies liked FDR. Post did not explain that.
Law School Exam questions
1. The Manhattan Project, if duplicated in 2022, would violate many U. S. laws. List the law violations. Extra points for citations to arguable legal exceptions available to the President provided you include cases illustrating application of the exception.
2. Assume the President elected in 2024 initiates a top secret project for national security reasons using the same procedures used by FDR, would this constitute grounds for impeachment?
“if you have any doubts that governments can, sometimes, achieve tremendous things, this is the book for you.”
Yes indeed. Government created a weapon that can destroy life on Earth. What a tremendous achievement.
Universal bereavement - an inspiring achievement!