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Economic Liberalization on Israeli Kibbutzim Increases Support for Markets
Even socialist kibbutzniks can come to appreciate the benefits of markets when given a chance to directly compare them to socialism.
Kibbutzim are Israeli farming communities originally established as socialist institutions with little or no private property, equal pay, centralized assignment of work duties, and communal child-raising. Over the last several decades, however, most have introduced a variety of market reforms, in order to curb resident dissatisfaction and stave off economic disaster.
Economist Alex Tabarrok comments on a recent study by Ran Abramitzky and several coauthors which finds that such market-based reforms have proven popular and increased appreciation for markets and property rights among kibbutzniks:
The Israeli kibbutz have long been moving away from utopian socialism towards "renewing kibbutz"; a kind of cooperative in which member wages differ, consumption is unequal, many resources are privately owned but there is some mutual aid–a "safety net"–and some common ownership typically of land. Abramitzky et al. look at how kibbutz members vote and their expressed preferences after a kibbutz moves from a traditional model to a reformed or renewed model. The answer is that preferences for the market economy increased the more kibbutz members were exposed to the market economy but support for some redistribution to the poor (which was now less costly as the society was wealthier) did not decrease.
Abramitzky is a leading academic expert on the economics of the kibbutz, and author of an important book on the subject.
The results of the study are notable because kibbutz residents are mostly either people who were raised on the institution's socialist values or moved there out of ideological commitment. Thus, they are far more likely to be hostile to markets and property rights than the average Israeli, or for that matter the average person in almost any liberal democratic society. And social science research shows that most people are highly averse to evidence that cuts against their preexisting political views. Nonetheless, the superiority of market institutions over socialism is so striking that people who have direct first-hand experience of both tend to prefer the former, even in a case like this one, where they started off as strongly committed socialists.
This is not the only evidence that life on a kibbutz can lead to skepticism about socialism. As I recounted in a post last year, economist Meir Kohn has written a compelling memoir of how life on a kibbutz led him to a new appreciation of the virtues of markets and private property. Margaret Thatcher's daughter Carol had a similar experience when she spent a summer as a volunteer at a kibbutz.
But the Abramitzky study is an advance over such anecdotal accounts because it is is far more systematic, and includes people who were committed enough to kibbutz life that they did not choose to leave. On average, such people likely had more attachment to socialist values than those who departed, as Kohn did, or only ever intended to stay for a short period, like Carol Thatcher.
As Abramitzky and his coauthors emphasize, most of these kibbutzniks did not become thoroughgoing enthusiasts for laissez-faire, and they continue to support welfare-state redistribution, sometimes even more than before. But the shift in their attitudes is nonetheless striking.
It is notable not just because kibbutzniks are predisposed to be hostile to market institutions, but also because the kibbutz setting was an unusually favorable one for socialism, as discussed in my earlier post on this issue:
Over time, the flaws of the socialist kibbutz model became sufficiently glaring that most kibbutzim gradually abandoned key parts of the socialist model, such as equal pay, rejection of private property, and communal child-raising. See also this 2007 discussion by Nobel Prize-winning economist Gary Becker, who himself spent some time on a kibbutz during its pre-reform heyday….
For reasons mentioned by [Meir] Kohn and Becker, kibbutzim present the best-case scenario for socialism. At least initially, most participants were self-selected, highly motivated volunteers. Abuses of power and information problems typical of large-scale socialism were mitigated by the right of exit and the relatively modest scale of the community. Strong support from Israeli government and civil society helped alleviate financial and resource problems. Nonetheless, kibbutzim eventually had to adopt market incentives, expanded property rights, private child-raising, and other "capitalist" institutions in order to survive.
By contrast, "moshavim," Israeli agricultural settlements that reserve a much greater role for markets and private property rights, have proven far more durable and successful, even though, as one moshavnik lamented when I visited her community in 2016, "the kibbutz has better PR" than moshavim do. The kibbutz has become famous around the world. But few people outside of Israel know what a moshav is, other than a few experts on property rights.
The lessons of the kibbutz and moshav are worth considering at a time when socialist ides are enjoying an undeserved revival in many parts of the world.
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I remember that quote by Kohn, "There are two kinds of people who have no problem with this: deadbeats and saints. When a group joined a kibbutz, the deadbeats and saints tended to stay while the others eventually left. I left." It sums up socialism quite well, except for the coercive ones, where leaving is not an option.
The measure of Commie is the fraction of the GDP controlled by government. The scumbag lawyer is too smart to take title of a business. He regulates it. That is the same as control. By that measure the US is 90% Commie, and riding on 10% power.
Commie is, of course, just the Mafia takeover of the government with masking ideology to gaslight the public. You have 1% living in luxury and not working much. You have 99% slaving and living in abject poverty.
Milton Friedman is smiling from his grave.
As I have noted before pure capitalism and pure socialism can rarely exist, if they exist at all. This story of the kibbitzes seems to show that a single system is unlikely to survive. More common is a blend of the two systems that provides the incentives of capitalism with the safety net of socialism. What differs is the mixture of the two systems in a blended economic system.
Another way to put it is that socialism can't survive without capitalism, while we're never going to find out if capitalism would survive without 'socialism', broadly defined, as capitalism doesn't insist on trying.
I would disagree that capitalism can exist without socialism. There is a natural tendency in capitalism to have wealth accumulate unevenly. Most population will accept this to a point. There is a point at which the wealth gap becomes unacceptable. History has shown this to occur many times. Something government put in regulation and programs to address the issue, and something the population revolts and new governments and economic systems are put in place.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/mixed_economy.html
(Ms. Rand didn't think a mixed economy was a good thing...)
What was missing from the study was an analysis of whether the effect was related to the size of the kibbutz - one can imagine that a small kibbutz where everyone is pretty close to everyone else is less likely to move to a free market approach. (Plus socialism doesn't scale up). So I wrote to the lead author to ask him about it. I will report back if I hear anything.
They need American college-educated narcissists to tell them what they’re doing wrong.
I think their problems are because they don’t have an unlimited amount of other peoples money.
...unlike the U.S. government and, to a lesser degree, state governments. Which gives them plenty of room to experiment with socialism. ("We'll provide your food, housing, healthcare, education, etc. We'll even give you money!")
It's no wonder the country is full of deadbeats (see first comment above).
The happiest, most nonviolent, most prosperous, most democratic societies on this planet are socialist. We’re all in this together, folks.
I would say that the strongest indicator of a stable democratic society is the size and strength of the middle class. I don't think it matter whether that is achieved by a capitalist system with a social safety net or a socialist system with capitalist incentives.
Yeah, I hear Venezuela is just wonderful. You should consider moving there.
You have cause and effect reversed. In happy, nonviolent, prosperous, democratic societies where there’s a very high level of trust, people can afford to engage in more socialism.
That’s not the US. Too many deadbeats, thieves grifters. Too many community organizers trying to divide people and make everyone unhappy. Too many people trying to empower vote fraud. Too many violent people and too many others eager to see violence done by police or by "protestors". And far too many news media liars.
Which governments are you pointing to?
Because places like Finland or Sweden are not socialist countries - and their own governments actively deny it.
In fact, both are more capitalist than countries like Japan or South Korea.
I have never been against communism or socialism. If you and 100 or 1,000,000 of your best friends want to live that way, go for it. Just don't point a gun at me and demand I join, too.
So go for it. In fact, I encourage this, the same way I encourage loud mouth Hollywood snake oil credophiles who abandon their cancer treatment and take megadoses of vitamin C instead, so we can watch you die as a lesson in idiocy for the rest of the world.
So now we have MANY examples of experiments running socialist systems, at all scales, from Kibbutzim to countries as large as Russia and China, with cross comparisons across multiple cultures (Germany and Korea), cross comparisons of countries with equal levels of natural resources (USA vs Russia), isolated countries without the corrupting influence of neighboring capitalism (Albania, N. Korea, Cuba), and in all cases, socialism fails. It doesn't even work in the country where it was first invented (Germany).
What is it going to take for the academics to finally realize that it is a failed idea? When are they going to stop saying that they will get it right the next time?
I think this post reflects a false dichotomy fallacy which appears so often in political and legal rhetoric.
Under the fallacy, only two alternatives are presented as possible, often the two extremes of a spectrum. The extreme on the disfavored side is shown to have big problems. This is presented as disproving the entire other side, requiring accepting the arguer’s side.
This is an example. Most modern economies have accepted mixtures of capatalist and socialist elements. Israeli kibbitzim are no exeption. They started out with a socialism purer than countries had tried, and they ran into big problems. A key one is that they mandated separating children from their parents beginning as babies, under a theory that children were to identify primarily as children of the kibbutz and not as children of their parents. No country has tried a version of socialism that extrme. It failed miserably. The children hated it and rebelled.
But what Professor Somin isn’t saying is that while Israeli kibbitzim became less socialist then they were, they often remained significantly more socialist than other kinds of communities. The mixture of capitalism and socialism they ended up finding workable still had a heavy weight on the socialist side.
Thus, far from a dichotomy, there is something of a continuum (And more than that. The ways a society can be organized economically do not fall into a single dimension. There is no single spectrum with only two possible extreme points.)
Empirical evidence shows that societies tend to evolve mixture economies rather than fixating on a single theory or model. And yet Professor Somin consistently ignores this obvious fact. He uses logical fallacies like this one to twist and shape the evidence so that he can continue to view the world in mythical terms, as a battle between extremes rather than as a compromise. He seeks victory rather than accommodation and a way of living.
Professor Somin is an atheist. May I suggest he consider religion? His mind thinks religiously. It seems to need to think religiously and tends to twist and frame the world into essentially religious terms. He tilts windmills to fight what are essentially religious battles. If he were able to direct his religious instincts to their proper object, this might free his mind to think about more worldly matters in a more mature, less ideologically, less numinally charged matter. He might be willing to accept more accommodation and compromise, more evolution and development in response to events, less intellectual structure having to animate everything like slme sort of Divine plan. His mind would be less focused on the extremes and might be more open to the muddled middle.