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National Constitution Center Releases Reports on "Restoring the Guardrails of Democracy"
The project includes reports by conservative, libertarian, and progressive teams. I am coauthor of the Team Libertarian report.
Earlier today, the National Constitution Center released its series of reports on "Restoring the Guardrails of Democracy." I am a coauthor of the Team Libertarian report, along with team leader Clark Neily of the Cato Institute, and Walter Olson (also of Cato). There is also a Team Conservative report (coauthored by team leader Sarah Isgur, David French, and Jonah Goldberg, all of The Dispatch), and a Team Progressive report (coauthored by prominent election law scholars Edward Foley and Franita Tolson).
Here is an excerpt from the Introduction of our Team Libertarian report, which summarizes our recommendations:
American democracy faces a number of serious challenges. In the immediate future, we must establish institutional safeguards to prevent the kind of negation of election results attempted by Donald Trump in the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election. In the medium-to long-run, more must be done to empower people to be able to make meaningful choices about the policies they live under. Ballot-box voting has great value. But it is not enough to ensure genuine political freedom. The latter requires enhancements to both "voice" and "exit" rights. We need to both increase citizens' ability to exercise voice within political institutions, and give them more and better exit options.
This report takes on all three challenges. We propose a variety of reforms that, can address immediate short-term threats to democracy, while also increasing citizen empowerment in the long run.
Part I outlines reforms that can safeguard the electoral process against attempts at reversal, while also curbing presidential powers that could be abused in ways that undermine democracy. Among the most urgently needed reforms are new constraints on presidential powers under vaguely worded emergency statutes, such as the Insurrection Act. These can too easily be manipulated by an unscrupulous administration in ways that could hobble democracy. It is also essential to reform the Electoral Count Act of 1887 in order to definitively preclude the sort of effort to overturn an election that then-President Trump engaged in after his defeat in 2020. In addition, we propose ways to incentivize electoral losers to concede defeat, rather than engage in bogus accusations of fraud and voter suppression, and to gradually restore public trust in the electoral system….
Part II describes how a number of serious flaws in the democratic process can be alleviated by expanding people's opportunities to "vote with their feet." Under conventional ballot-box voting, individual citizens usually have almost no chance of influencing the outcome. They also have strong perverse incentives to be "rationally ignorant" about the issues they vote on, and to process political information in a highly biased way.…
Expanded foot voting rights can help alleviate these problems. People can vote with their feet choosing what jurisdiction to live in within a federal system, and also through making decisions in the private sector. Relative to ballot box voters, foot voters have a much higher chance of making a decisive choice, and therefore much stronger incentives to become well-informed. Expanded foot voting can also help alleviate the dangerous polarization that has gradually poisoned our political system.
Much can be done to expand foot voting opportunities in both the public and private sector by breaking down barriers to migration, such as exclusionary zoning. Foot voting can also be facilitated through greater decentralization of political power, which would reduce the incidence of one-size-fits-all federal policies from which there is no exit, short of leaving the country entirely.
Finally, Part III outlines ways in which ordinary citizens can be empowered to exercise greater "voice" in their dealings with the criminal justice system, particularly through reviving the institution of the citizen jury. Since the Founding and before, jury trials have been understood as an important tool of popular participation in government. Alexis de Tocqueville famously focused on the jury system as one America's most important institutions of "popular sovereignty….."
Sadly, in the modern criminal justice system, the constitutionally prescribed role of juries in resolving criminal charges has been almost entirely displaced by so-called plea bargaining. Indeed, widespread use of coercive plea-bargaining discourages the overwhelming majority of criminal defendants from exercising their right to a trial by jury, for fear that doing so would lead to far more severe penalties. As a result, citizen-jurors no longer exercise influence over those powers of government that directly impact the lives and liberty of the people more than most others.
We propose multiple reforms that can help restore juries to their proper role in the criminal justice system. Judges, governors, presidents, and legislators could adopt rules limiting the use of plea bargaining and especially coercive plea tactics. "Trial lotteries" could increase the number of cases brought to trial. State and federal governments can establish plea integrity units that can provide independent review of plea bargains to ensure that improper coercion was not used….
Within the trial process, more can be done to inform jurors of the full extent of their authority, particularly the ability to assess the justice of the laws and penalties in question, as well as factual questions related to the guilt of the accused.
Even if adopted in combination, our proposed reforms would not cure all the ills that afflict American democracy. But they can do much to shore it up against threats, and empower Americans to exercise greater control over the government policies they live under.
The progressive and conservative reports overlap with ours on some points, while diverging on others. For example, the Progressive report suggests changes to the Electoral Count Act that are similar to our proposals, and there is also some convergence on other measures related to protecting elections against reversal. On the other hand, it also recommends legislation criminalizing "deliberate electoral lies," whereas our report specifically counsels against such steps. The Progressive report's approach to the problem of voter ignorance (expanded civic education) is also at variance with ours (expanded foot voting). I express skepticism about the education solution in some detail in Chapter 7 of my book Democracy and Political Ignorance.
For its part the Conservative report largely focuses on a different set of issues than either ours or the progressive one. Their major recommendations involve strengthening Congress relative to the executive, and political parties relative to individual candidates and interest groups. I agree with much of this (particularly constraining the executive), but have some reservations on details. Like us, they recommend against controls on campaign-related speech, though for somewhat different reasons. On the other hand, they, like the Progressives, strike me as too optimistic about education as a tool for overcoming public ignorance.
There is, I think, much to be learned from all three reports, and I hope they will make useful contributions to the ongoing debate over these issues.
Tonight at 7 PM eastern time, the three team leaders - Ned Foley, Sarah Isgur, and Clark Neily - will be speaking about the reports with NCC President Jeffrey Rosen at a live webinar. You can register to watch for free here.
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The very concept of a plea bargain should be eliminated. If a prosecutor is unwilling to go to trial, or unsure of sufficient evidence to gain a conviction then the charges should be thrown out as a matter of course. In the same vein suspects should be unable to waive their rights. Whether they are willing to or not, police or prosecutors should be unable to speak to a subject or compel then to sign any statement at all without an attorney present.
The flip side of that is that, if a defendant is acquitted, we need to make them whole. Otherwise the process IS the punishment, and it is exactly the threat of process punishment that drives innocent people to plead guilty.
Make the investigators without probable cause pay all costs from personal assets. These Dems are engaging in lawfare and misusing our tax dollars for party infomercials. That includes this scumbag, fake report. Go tell it to the Special Subcommittee on the Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol.
Is David French an Ivy indoctrinated lawyer?
I can see no reason to disagree.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know what to do with Chesterton's Fence.
So a person can't represent himself, even if he wants to?
This is just a Democrat attack piece. Dismissed, you elitist prigs. You are deniers and all are Swamp. You are all going to camp in 2025.
How about obeying the constitution instead of making partisan shit up? If you do not like the constitution, amend it.
Hey Swamp scumbags. You forgot something. Half the country.
This Never Trumper panel ignores one small thing, half the country. It is the half that is white, rich, and good looking. The latter feature is an unappreciated factor in the intense emotions. Ugly people have been mistreated. They are retaliating against a country that mistreated them.
Turn to MSNBC or to CNN or to PBS. Almost everyone has a hideous face. I suggest Eugene add an upload picture feature. You will see the hideous faces of some of the commentators here. The tagic rejection of these unfortunates in the genetic lottery explains a lot of their outlook.
What a f*****g joke...
Might as well have called them Team NeverTrump, it would have been more honest.
Hahahahahahahahaha. Good one.
Federal law enforcement and criminal justice needs to go away. Unless it involves the border or counterfeiting the currency. National crimes. Otherwise it can be handled by the states. The FBI, BATFE, and DEA especially need to be packed up and sold off.
No one would buy those garbage failed people. Great job DEA. Harass doctors, meanwhile 100000 are killed by Chinese fentanyl coming through Mexico. Worthless, federal garbage Democrat. Go chomp on a donut.
How can we fool Congressional Republicans into going along with any of this? They certainly won't agree to anything with their eyes open and nothing can be done without their support.
Let us know if you can get Congressional Dems to go along with neutering the federal government.
The Democrats would be more supportive of reducing the power of Federal government if the GOP weren't so active in manipulating the states' election processes.
That statement supports the theory of alternate universes and you live in one.
That hasn't been true for the past 100 years. Since Wilson, the Democrats have not shown even a smidgeon of interest in shrinking the power of Fed.gov.
Look up Bill Clinton sometime.
Other than the peace dividend that came about at the end of Cold War, what did he support that shrank the size or reach of fed.gov? He was dragged kicking and screaming to sign welfare reform.
Actually, there's substantial Republican support for amending the Electoral count act to make clear that the count is a ministerial act, not discretionary, and one or two other amendments.
It would be easy as long as Democrats don't insist on linking it to something Republicans typically disagree with.
Need to do away with separate prosecutions (state and Federal) for the same crime.
“Within the trial process, more can be done to inform jurors of the full extent of their authority, particularly the ability to assess the justice of the laws and penalties in question,…”
As a layperson who was on a criminal jury last month which was told nothing about assessing the laws’ justice and was told specifically to *not* think about penalties, I would be interested in hearing more.
Caveat: As an alternate, I was not privy to any instructions/guidance provided only in the deliberation room.
That's a hoot. Now who are the real conservative team?
The Constitution Center is a progressive front group. And that was long before they hosted a panel with Goldberg and French as the "conservatives".
No it's not. Every episode of the podcast has guests with opposing viewpoints. The host pains himself to be neutral, and usually pulls it off.
John Eastman, Randy Barnett, and even Blackman, have been guests and have had nothing but nice things to say about NCC. These guys are not very progressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD7pKi0-5ZY
"Every episode of the podcast has guests with opposing viewpoints."
Well, except that they went out of their way to avoid having opposing viewpoints this time. They decided to settle for a controlled opposition viewpoint. That's not quite the same thing as not having an opposition viewpoint, but it's about halfway there.
Reading their report, I found the following proposed amendment:
"An amendment to this Constitution proposed by a majority of both houses of Congress or a majority of states shall be valid when ratified by the legislatures of two thirds of the several states; provided that no amendment shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. No state shall be able to withdraw their ratification and all deadlines for ratification must themselves be contained within the text to be ratified."
Not awful, actually, though that "provided that no amendment shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." is foredoomed to be hollow, and I think forbidding states to withdraw their ratifications has obvious problems, such as amendments getting ratified that at no point ever had even a majority of states being in favor. You could literally have every member who voted to ratify an amendment kicked out in the next election, and the ratification would stand.
And they've got some nice things to say about education.
But then we get to, "THE CASE FOR STRONGER PARTIES", and it all goes south. French longs for the days when the party bosses could keep running their bait and switch operation against the Republican voting base, when the smoke filled rooms would chose the candidates, and the voters would just have to suck it up.
And you can see that, of course, they see no point to added security because there wasn't any fraud. Not a smidgen of it.
Yeah, I wouldn't say French and company are perfectly interchangeable with the liberals, but they're controlled opposition, alright.
Wow, your telepathy lead you to a conclusion you already had once again! Amazing!
No telepathy needed, he was fairly explicit about it. Even came right out and said Congress needed less transparency and more smoke filled rooms.
No, the issue is that you could not resist adding bonus telepathy: 'French longs for the days when the party bosses could keep running their bait and switch operation against the Republican voting base'
That's overdetermining French's politics to align with your penchant to find secret liberals plotting against True Conservatives.
So I would presume that there's something in the report about third party and independent candidates, and how they should have ballot access on the same terms as the duopoly parties?
Or perhaps ballot access only matters when they're trying to keep a duopoly candidate off the ballot?
I've now read the Team Libertarian report.
Geeze, did you have to make it about foot voting? Really? Even Team NeverTrump did a better job of staying on topic.
Reading the Team Progressive report, I see that everybody agrees on updating the Electoral count act. Good, THIS is fairly uncontroversial, and has a chance of happening if not linked to other legal changes.
I see they're proposing "Functional constituencies", an innovation imposed on Hong Kong by those famous advocates of democracy, the People's Republic of China. A promising endorsement indeed.
They're also proposing to take away from parties control of how they pick their own candidates.
Hm, and they want the government to be empowered to declare political speech "lies" and punish it. Nothing to worry about there.
All the reports have something to recommend them, I found the Team Libertarian report the least threatening, but fairly short on concrete proposals, and strangely silent on reforms to allow third parties to compete on an even footing.
Team NeverTrump had the best concrete proposal AND a fairly dangerous desire to abolish legislative transparency and restore candidate selection by smoke filled rooms.
Team Progressive had one or two positive things to suggest, but they'd radically change how our electoral system operates, and in some ways with nasty pedigrees.
None of them of course, were at all concerned about improving election security, the selection process made sure of that.
"strangely silent on reforms to allow third parties to compete on an even footing"
An unfortunate omission (and thanks for checking).
I can understand how the duopolists would want to restrict ballot access, but let's say we learned of some other country keeping candidates' names off the ballot, based on a desire to protect the political establishment. Wouldn't that country get points deducted from its human rights score?
To be fair, they hardly had room for discussing third parties, Somin ate up almost their whole report going on and on about foot voting.
Foot voting? As in, if you don't like it, move? Now that is practical.
Yeah, it is practical. It's just not a guard rail on democracy. It's more like saying, "If you don't like high mountain roads without guard rails, why don't you go live in a flat state?"
The stupidity among the Volokh Conspiracy's downscale fans is particularly severe in this discussion.
Complaining that this deck was stacked for progressives and against conservatives?
Olson is a conservative Republican. Somin is a libertarian who associates with the right-wing fringe. Clark Neily is a Federalist Societeer (all three of the "libertarians" in this context may be Federalist Society favorites).
Edward Foley is probably the guy who served as Ohio's solicitor general. In a Republican administration.
I count one liberal and at least six, probably seven, non-liberals among the eight participants. This, to the disaffected and bigoted hard-right fans of this white, male, right-wing-fringe blog, is a deck stacked against Republicans and conservatives.
Carry on, clingers. So far as your betters, and your limited faculties, permit.
No, Wally Olson is not a conservative Republican. I know Kirkland cares about fidelity to the truth as much as Trump does, so I have no thoughts that he would actually admit his lie, but Olson is a libertarian. (A Cato libertarian, not a LvM Institute one.)
The authors are first and foremost intellectuals, in the Thomas Sowell sense. Calling themselves "libertarians" is just good branding for them.
A big part of today's rumble seems to be the question of whether the "guard rails" are a specific response to Trump. Or to democratic institutions that are failing or need to be re-examined. And, of course, all of the silliness about who is or isn't a "real" conservative, progressive, or libertarian. Trump is a major symptom. He isn't the problem. Our government is currently dysfunctional & continuing to deteriorate. And one of our major parties has abandoned democratic principles for the raw capture & control of power. This is always a danger in democracies. And this group, like the broader legal community, insists on talking about the words, rather than what the words are about. Team Libertarian always pretends we are dealing with rational humans & ignores the primate power motivations that run under all of it.
This document is a fig leaf for progressives and conservatives to pretend that they got some alternative opinions, which they can promptly discard.
The authors are obviously out of their depth on many of these issues, the topics they discuss seem like they were handpicked by progressives, and they are missing the multiple elephants in the room. And the authors are certainly in love with institutions. Can't have libertarianism without lots of trusted institutions, right?
If this is "Team Libertarian", libertarianism is doomed in the US. The authors, the institute, and the document deserve nothing but contempt from anybody who cares about liberty in the US.
From Ilya Somin's book:
No, one of the biggest problems with modern democracy is that it has become something so complex and all-encompassing that you have to devote yourself full time to understanding it.
The problem isn't "the stupidity of the American voter", as Somin and Obama believe it is, the problem is that people like Somin--academics, intellectuals, legal scholars, and professional politicians--have corrupted our democracy in that way.
The solution is to shrink government to almost nothing, stop subsidizing the kinds of institutions that employ people like Somin, and to adopt radical subsidiarity. In other words, the solution is to shrink government and make it local enough so that ordinary people can use it to govern themselves, rather than handing power to a professional class of high priests.
Trolls gotta troll.
Hi, Rhoid. Excellent comment, bruh
You are a credit.
Suppose we'd created an election fraud panel, and the 'liberal' members were all on record hating Biden's guts and rooting for Trump to win in 2020? Think that would be honest?
This is no different. The panel was as rigged as the Senate's Jan 6th panel.
Hi, Rhoid. Great comment, bruh. Most of the country supports Trumpout of hate for the arrogant, supercilious, failed, Ivy indoctrinated elite. This hate is so intense, all flaws are meaningless and ignored. This failed elite are know nothing bookwormswho boss evetyone around.
Got news for you. He likely never was a conservative, he was just a grifter who picked conservatives to be his marks.
You're talking a guy who's made a living being one of those 'conservatives' who get called on to attack Republicans.
Hi, Rhoid. You are so incisive. Impressive.
"The guy who wrote the conservative fave liberal fascism isn’t conservative now."
David Brock wrote for American Spectator. Guess he is really conservative too.
It's rigged in the sense that it rejects Trump's claims of voter fraud, which is sort of like the Nobel Prize committee being rigged because it rejects that the earth is flat.
No; this a panel on "restoring the guardrails of democracy". Putting Trump supporters on such a panel makes no sence. They would want to be on a panel on "removing the guardrails which obstruct democracy".
So, in your "election fraud panel" this is like putting Stacey Abrams on the panel. Somebody on the progressive side who believes that there is election fraud.
It's rigged in the sense that they deliberately chose 'conservatives' whose relevant views were very atypical for actual conservatives, but largely indistinguishable from liberals.
From high school. Argument by analogy is a fallacy.
Please be specific. What views of Team Conservative are very atypical for conservatives but largely indistinguishable from liberals?
To some extend Trump is a grifter, too. He's just a grifter who is in for the long haul, and wants to end with a good reputation, so he was out to make the marks happy. Not because he believed in what they wanted, necessarily, but he knew that the left were never going to love him, so he'd better 'dance with the one what brung him'.
French makes his money from people who don't like the marks, he's doesn't care if conservatives end up happy.
Well, having wanted the GOP to lose a Presidential election probably counts, doesn't it?
He has a knack for picking marks then. He just needed a critical mass of them and then the rest would have no choice but to fall in line.
The worst bunch are the current candidates that probably don't believe his shtick for a second, but realize that his method works, or his endorsement is essential, and therefore leverage both based on the calculation that it is the best chance of winning.
I blame it all on "reality" tv. Its fans believe that it has some connection to reality. It doesn't matter anymore, because it has largely been supplanted. But it started the chain of events that also ruined entertainment, the internet, and civil society in general.
No, he's not. That doesn't even describe Goldberg a little bit.
That was solely because of Trump, not policy. And their opinion of Trump isn't a relevant viewpoint to this discussion.
Right, standard "error has no rights" reasoning. The Catholic church gave up on that notion, so the left picked it up cheap.
Let me explain why, yeah, if this panel was to mean anything, the 'conservative' members had to be actual conservatives: You're not going to get anything passed through Congress if only liberals like it!
Again, how are they not actual conservatives? And sorry, being never-Trump does not mean one is not a conservative.
You have a very telling litmus test here.
Well, since you haven't ignored him and keep feeding the troll...
Only two possible conservative positions:
-Trump is totally awesome, 100% sincere and right about everything, and we should all get together to polish his boots.
-Trump is worse than Hitler and there is no excuse for ever voting for him - he is worse even than George W. Bush (who, recall, was also worse than Hitler and selected, not elected).
There's no room for nuance, for holding one's nose and voting for Trump because the alternatives would be worse.
Then I look forward to him being put on a National Constitution Center panel on homosexuality and transgenderism. I'm half sarcastic, but I retain some residual hope that they're serious about entertaining divergent viewpoints.
Well, I mean, this panel is constructed in the same manner as the January 6th panel was, so if you like rigged panels with half the political spectrum unrepresented, of course you're going to like this one.
The fact remains that French and company are, yes, exactly the conservatives liberals would pick, not conservatives would pick.
I blame it on the GOP establishment running a bait and switch con for so many years that the Republican voting base got desperate for some candidate, any candidate, who wasn't the establishment's pick. Trump wasn't an ideal candidate, he was a wrecking ball.
Which is why I identified them as "NeverTrumpers".
But being NeverTrump does end up being a policy thing. If you read the NeverTrump paper linked to above, you can see one of their main goals is giving the GOP establishment back control over who the nominee will be. Implicitly so that the GOP can go back to not fighting for conservative priorities.
Which conservative priorities does Team Conservative not want to fight for?
Border security, for one.
Opposition to gun control, for another.
That's a litmus test that greatly shrinks the the number of conservatives. And more to the point, it has no connection to being never Trump.
Not all that greatly, actually.
Yeah, so?
If opposition to gun-control is "a litmus test that greatly shrinks the the number of conservatives" (which is supposedly bad), how about opposition to speech-control? You'll find plenty of nominal "conservatives" -- the same ones who don't mind gun-control and an unsecure border -- who'd be onboard with "reasonable" speech restrictions. Is it somehow inappropriate to denounce such people as RINOs and fake conservatives?
If you define "border security" as the wall and "opposition to gun control" to include bump stocks, it does (the latter even kicks Trump out).
The whole concept of restoring the guardrails of democracy is anti-Trump, why would Trumpistas want to participate?
When the subject under consideration is how best to achieve goal A, if your objective is achieve goal not-A, then the answer is "don't".
From a Trumpian point of view, this is a project on how best to restore the "swamp".
"The whole concept of restoring the guardrails of democracy is anti-Trump, why would Trumpistas want to participate?"
That's a notion only the left and NeverTrumpers would endorse: "No enemy to the left." The idea that there is no threat to democracy from anywhere except Trump.
No enemy to the left isn't really evident in this panel.
On the other hand, your comments are indicating that for you a conservative must believe 'never a Dem, even unto the end of the Republic.'
Which is pretty bad news, if you take of your partisan blinders!
I found that all three reports had good sides and bad sides. French actually had the best thought out concrete proposal, for all that he wants some nasty anti-reforms, too.
They agreed on three things:
Orange Man Bad.
Our elections are perfectly honest and free of fraud.
Electoral count act reform.
Well, one out of three ain't too bad, the first two were predetermined by the panelist selection.
2020 not being stolen is not some opinion to talk about being regrettably predetermined, jackass.
Look, I'd be fine with their saying the 2020 election wasn't stolen. *I* don't think it was stolen. I think there were enough dodgy things going on I'm not going to call people crazy for thinking it was, but I think Trump legitimately lost.
But that's different from denying that anything dodgy was going on, which is where this panel is engineered to be.
Actually, Cal, That's accurate.
What's accurate? That nobody conservative holds the nuanced position I've described?
Do I need to caucus with my "fellow travellers" and work out common talking points? Or perhaps they can say what they think, and I can say what I think. You can say what you think, Kirkland can say what he thinks, and I won't conflate your views except where you say you agree with him.
But no, we need a strict binary world where
every boy and every gal
That's born into this world alive
Is either a little liberal
Or else a little conservative
and everything said by one "right-winger" is attributable to all the rest, and similarly with left-wingeres.
I'm limiting myself to the Constitution Center's idea of diversity of opinion. Specifically, how much diversity can they stand?
It's all very well to have a conservative on a panel to discuss issues where he's willing to make some kind of common ground with progressives, but as for having him discuss ideas which progressives find hateful and abominable, I have yet to be convinced they'd do that. But I don't know them, maybe you do, and you can give me a link which is illustrative of their broad-minded outlook.
"I’m arguing one can be conservative and not have supported Trump."
So I agree. But you seem to be proposing a binary of being a Trump cultist v. not voting for him at all.
One can be conservative and still hold one's nose when voting for Trump. In our duopoly system, people vote for one party or the other, without always endorsing every jot and tittle of the policies of the one they end up voting for. Not everyone voting for Biden thinks it's a good idea for politicians to have so many foreign corporate connections, they might just think Biden's better than Trump anyway.
My position is that French and company went beyond "not supporting" Trump, to the position that the GOP had to purge people who DID support Trump.
These are, remember, the same people who'd routinely tell conservative voters who didn't like the establishment nominees that they needed to get over it, and support the party.
The position you quoted was "that it is sinful to approve of homosexual immorality or transgenderism and that such approval constitutes an essential departure from Christian faithfulness and witness."
Was anyone on the panel you cited defending *that* position? Or was it more along the lines of "we must defend people we disagree with like the Nazis in Skokie and the cake bakers"?
I haven't heard the presentations at the forum, so if you've heard it I'm ready to learn from you.
It's possible that someone took the position French has (used to have?), but in these religious-freedom discussions the argument is generally along the lines of the First Amendment permits you to disagree with Wokism if you wish to, not that people *ought* to disagree.
I doubt that *in discussing a Supreme Court case* any panelist would say that a true Christian witness requires the Court to oppose homosexuality and transgenderism. It's usually more along the lines of "well, some people don't like alternative sexualities, bless their hearts, so let's be nice and not suppress such views."
*Sigh* - I'm still not clear on whether the National Constitution Center would have a debate on the specific proposition you quoted - "that it is sinful to approve of homosexual immorality or transgenderism and that such approval constitutes an essential departure from Christian faithfulness and witness."
My point - perhaps I wasn't being clear? - is that it's all very well to have David French debate election issues in their forums, but are they open to forums where he debates his other positions as well?
My impression is that they'd be willing to debate the *rights* of Illinois Nazis and traditional religionists, but they would no more have a debate on the *merits* of traditionalism than they would have a debate on the merits of National Socialism.
But it's always possible I'm wrong. It's just that you're not really shedding light on this.
I think you're still arguing with the people who are debating French's conservative credentials.
If you're genuinely trying to understand my point, imagine a podcaster who has progressive guests when they're willing to say how maybe women's sports should be protected. These progressive guests also believe in national health care but the podcaster never asks them about that.
So, in short, they're quite progressive outside the context of the podcast, but the podcaster doesn't exactly want to showcase this fact, except in general sense of getting his guests to say "as a faithful progressive, I believe in women's sports" etc.
" when the topic is germane to ‘gay rights’ they’re perfectly willing to hosts those arguing on the other side of it."
Maybe, or maybe they host people taking the position of the 1970s ACLU - the Nazis have a right to march in Skokie, and the fundamentalists have the right to make the cakes they want.
[nitpicky correction - IIRC the Nazis didn't actually want to march through Skokie but to hold a demonstration at one specific location]
You seem to have missed my point. You're not even in the same galaxy as my point.
What could you learn about such topics from a person whose views on them are presumably both ignorant and certain, and are primarily grounded in baseless, superstitious dogma?
Finally, some criticism of David French from the left.
Without Queenie I would lose hope.
For example, Eugene is very smart. He denies what I learned in high school. We spent 3 dayson Medieval philosophy. We spent several weeks on formallogic and on critical thinking. We spent a week on the binomial statistics, the first week of 11th grade statistics. That is the statistic of coin tossing. He does not know any of it. His 1L at Yale erased it all from his brain. That is more damage than a TBI followed by a month of coma. Now he is damaging 100's of intelligent, ethical yoing people.
Great comment, bruh. You are so well spoken.
Always someone else's fault.
To some extend Trump is a grifter, too.
To some extent??? The guy's whole life is one grift after another.