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6th-Grade Lesson About Hammurabi with "How Will You Punish This Slave?" Question Not Illegal "Harassment"
From Judge James Peterson's decision Friday in Ervins v. Sun Prairie Area School Dist. (W.D. Wis.):
February 1 was the first day of Black History Month, so Black history was part of the curriculum at the time [at a Sun Prairie middle school]. Sixth graders were also beginning a unit on ancient Mesopotamia. Because of the COVID-19 pandemic, classes at Patrick Marsh were taught remotely that semester. Students were sent a slide deck with lessons and activities to read and complete at home each day….
The February 1 slide deck in … included a Black History Month slide featuring Black leaders, including Barack Obama, Rosa Parks, and Martin Luther King, Jr. The rest of the deck was about the geography, religion, and politics of ancient Mesopotamia. The deck contained several slides about Hammurabi, a Mesopotamian king who created an early set of laws known as Hammurabi's Code.
At the end of the slide deck, there was an interactive assignment, titled "Hammurabi's Code—Your Turn to be the Judge," that asked students to apply Hammurabi's Code to three scenarios. One scenario stated:
A slave stands before you. This slave has disrespected his master by telling him "You are not my master!" How will you punish this slave?
The students were supposed to type in their answers and the correct answer would be revealed. The correct answer was "put to death."
The plaintiffs, parents of black students in the class, sued under Title VI (and brought related claims under the Equal Protection Clause), but the court rejected the claims:
To establish a hostile educational environment claim [under Title VI or Title IX], a plaintiff must show that: (1) the student participated in a federally funded program; (2) the alleged hostile environment was so severe, pervasive, and objectively offensive that it deprived the student of access to educational benefits; and (3) the school district had actual knowledge of and was deliberately indifferent toward the conduct in question….
[A] reasonable jury certainly could find that [the] content and timing [of] {the Mesopotamia materials and the question about slavery} were offensive, insensitive, and justifiably upset students and their families. But a hostile environment claim requires much more than a single upsetting episode…. [C]ourts have required consistent and or severe misconduct, such as physical threats, the use of racial epithets, violence, or sexual contact and abuse at school to establish a hostile environment claim. See, e.g., Doe I v. Bd. of Educ. of City of Chicago (N.D. Ill. 2019) (school employee who made sexually explicit comments to students, walked into locker room while students were changing, sexually touched students, slapped them, and committed battery against students created a hostile educational environment); Qualls v. Cunningham (7th Cir. 2006) (threats, racial slurs, and unfounded attempts by campus police to detain plaintiff would constitute a hostile educational environment); C.S. v. Couch (N.D. Ind. 2011) (racial epithets, threats, throwing a student into a bathroom stall, and punching him in the face constituted hostile racial environment); Doe v. Galster (7th Cir. 2014) (student-on-student harassment involving multiple serious violent physical attacks created a hostile learning environment). Even when a school authority figure is responsible for the offensive conduct, a hostile environment claim requires more than isolated episodes. See Adusumilli v. Illinois Inst. of Tech. (N.D. Ill. 1998).
Plaintiffs cite no legal authority that would support the idea that the Mesopotamia materials and the defiant slave question would meet the hostile environment standard. The materials did not condone slavery or depict slaves. The materials did not contain explicit racial slurs or racially charged images. To the contrary, the slide deck included a slide that honored Black leaders. And immediately after the slave question came to light, … administrators barred the use of the materials, acknowledged that they were hurtful, and apologized.
According to [plaintiffs' expert Bruce] Levenberg, … "students were harassed, intimidated, and bullied into assuming the role of 'Slave Master' and thus were consequently bullied into identifying as bully aggressors themselves." But this claim utterly lacks factual grounding: there is no evidence that any students were actually harassed, intimidated, or bullied. And the assignment asks student to assume the role of judge, not slave master. Levenberg says that because the assignment came from school authority figures, it carried "great force and credibility" to students. Levenberg did not interview students … about how they felt about the assignment or otherwise explain how the materials harassed and intimidated them. Without meaningful factual support or analyses, the expert declarations are merely Levenberg's ipse dixit, which the court will not consider.
Plaintiffs have not adduced evidence from which a reasonable jury could find a racially hostile learning environment. The court will grant summary judgment to defendants on the Title VI claims based on the Mesopotamia materials.
The court held that a similar analysis applied under the Fourteenth Amendment, and added this about the Establishment Clause:
The parties assume that standard in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971) applies to Establishment Clause claims, but the continuing validity of the Lemon endorsement test is doubtful. Kennedy v. Bremerton Sch. Dist. (June 27, 2022). But even if Lemon applied, the court must determine first whether the challenged practice is religious in nature….
Plaintiffs' Establishment Clause claims fail, for the common-sense reason that teaching Hammurabi's Code was not religious education, it was a history lesson. The code is widely understood to be an ancient legal code, and plaintiffs adduce no evidence to the contrary. Neither the school district nor the teachers who used the Mesopotamia materials promoted or endorsed Hammurabi's Code as a viable moral code or a religious way of life. No reasonable jury could accept plaintiff's contention that the district forced students to "engage in religion" by asking them to answer in the first person how they would punish a slave.
Plaintiffs again rely on Levenberg's opinion that "the Code of Hammurabi is theologically based." But … even if all of Mesopotamian culture was theologically based, the teaching of that historical period would not constitute a governmental endorsement of Mesopotamian theology. Plaintiffs adduce [the parent-plaintiffs'] statements that they interpreted the code to have religious undertones because, like religion, it offered principles to live by. But plaintiffs' subjective beliefs are not relevant to determining whether teaching about Hammurabi's Code amounts to governmental establishment or endorsement of religion….
Plaintiffs' theory that the teaching of Hammurabi's Code is an unconstitutional establishment of religion cannot be squared with Lemon or any other Establishment Clause standard. The court will grant summary judgment to defendants on this claim.
The court also rejected a separate argument that one of the children had been pervasively bullied, in matters unrelated to the Hammurabi lesson, by classmates based on his race and learning disability; for more on that, see the opinion.
Some thoughts:
[1.] This is clearly the right result.
[2.] I doubt that it's a good idea to have sixth-grade children have to answer questions to which the answer is "I should kill this person"—entirely apart from whether that person is a slave, a political opponent, an enemy soldier, or whoever else—even if it's clear that they're answering as someone else. But I don't think there's anything illegal about such class assignments.
[3.] It's unfortunate that the vague "severe, pervasive, and objectively offensive" standard (which the Biden Administration is trying to have replaced with a "severe or pervasive" standard) is being applied as a matter of federal law to curriculum choices. That is especially since the same rules would apply not just to public school but to any school (or university) that gets federal funds. Indeed, similar rules apply in many states to private schools more generally; if a state bans discrimination in admission by such schools, which many states do, that brings with it similar restrictions on speech that creates a "hostile environment" (which would likely violate the First Amendment when applied to curriculum, see Runyon v. McCrary(1976)).
Public K-12 school systems and state legislatures have the power to define their curriculum and can block such lesson plans; but I don't think the federal government should do so, whether directly or as a condition of federal subsidies, especially since this standard would inevitably end up applying based on viewpoint. And this is especially so given that, as this case makes clear, people may raise "hostile environment" claims even to material that doesn't mention race.
[4.] Nonetheless, we're likely to see more such claims about allegedly offensive material based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, and the like, whether on curriculum decisions related to slavery (including non-race-based slavery); about "anti-racism" training that some argue is offensive to whites or males or others; about lessons related to Israel that some view as anti-Semitic; about history lessons that are seen as unfairly portraying Catholicism or Islam or Hinduism or other religions in a bad light; and more.
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[1.] This is clearly the right result. - 1000% agree.
[4.] Nonetheless, we're likely to see more such claims about alleged offensive based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. . . .about history lessons that are seen as unfairly portraying. . . Southern heritage. (FTFY).
The clerk of court should be allowed to toss cases without physical or financial damages. Eugene needs to disclose the costs of such cases. I support the American Rule. Inthis case all costs should have been assessed to the assets of the plaintiff lawyer.
This case is lawyer thievin'. It should be severely punished. I would like to go all Hammurabi on this vile, toxic, thievin' profession.
Eugene is fey. He disapproves of the insensitive question. Take a hike you woke abomination. Right to the video game store. Ask a 12 year old what to buy. Open that game.
In his defense, I think it's posted here because it's related to freedom of speech. He can speak for himself, but either he's against this as it goes too far, or at least feels it worth discussion.
While I was raised Catholic and my wife Protestant, we didn’t impose religion on our children. But we did include The Children's Bible in our reading. My daughter said some of the Old Testament stories troubled her when various peoples were put to death, so we agreed that I would read “…and the Lord to to bed those peoples who disobeyed his command” instead. She would hear me read that and say, he really killed them. When she said it, it didn’t bother her.
So, maybe it’s how history is presented that needs to approached rather than simply denying history.
Beggars ‘our religion’.
Try reading all of Genesis, not just the scholl passages. It is XXX rated and could violate current obscenity standards, not just past ones. Some sick shit in there.
Yes indeed.
What was it Jack Nicholson said?
Oh, yeah.
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
The right outcome. I also agree that it was probably an excessively early age to tackle that sort of subject matter, and it could have been handled a bit better in any case; "Under Hamurabi's code, what would the slave's penalty have been.", NOT, "What would you do?"
But we really do need to stop coddling children in school, we should be trying to build up their resilience, not spare them any need for it. Being occasionally offended is part of life.
Coddling them and giving everyone participation trophies is why society produces "men" like 99% of the spree shooters.
Carlson Tucker disagrees with you.
"Carlson proceeded to claim that gunmen in massacres think they’ll be 'worse' off than their parents.
'And yet the authorities in their lives ― mostly women ― never stops lecturing them about their so-called privilege.'”
I thought Tucker says the key was tanning your balls.
Does anybody here ever cite Carlson? We could just as easily bring up The View or Joy Reid.
Now you can watch whom you want. But leave us out of it.
He drives the conversation and has ratings The View could only dream of.
That is not actually a disagreement or rebuttal. But then I guess nonsense is the best anyone can hope for from you.
Don't think apedad meant it as a rebuttal.
Anyhow, the white supremacist lamenting about how men these days aren't manly doesn't deserve much engagement.
That's kind of the point, isn't it? They are generally losers with no prospects, but society tells them that they're evil because they're men.
If you are referring to whom I think you are, it's Tucker Carlson, not Carlson Tucker.
re: " it was probably an excessively early age to tackle that sort of subject matter"
I must rather emphatically disagree with you. Children that young and much younger have been dealing with death and complex moral codes for millennia. Look at any of Grimm's Fairy Tales or Aesop's Fables. Children are entirely capable of dealing with that subject matter at sixth grade and in fact much younger.
It's the parents who seem incapable of acknowledging history.
I really meant excessively early by modern standards, which I agree are crazy from a historical perspective.
"Look at any of Grimm's Fairy Tales or Aesop's Fables. "
If you actually look to the original versions of the Fairy Tales/Fables, they were meant as moral lessons for adults.
They only got transformed into children's stories after it became unfashionable for adults to believe in magic/the supernatural.
After that they got sanitized of both sex and violence over time.
"If you actually look to the original versions of the Fairy Tales/Fables, they were meant as moral lessons for adults."
At a time when you were considered an 'adult' at a much earlier age, sure.
They were meant as moral lessons, full stop. While you are correct that they were not originally intended only for children, neither were they originally intended only for adults. They were stories and lessons told to and understood by everyone in the community.
The much more recent disneyfication of those stories is entirely beside the point.
Children that young and much younger have been dealing with death and complex moral codes for millennia.
I agree. Children seem to have ideas about fairness and right and wrong at an early age.
I'd be curious to know how the class discussion went, if it went at all, after the exercise. I'm also dubious that this particular law is one of the more important things to know about Hammurabi's code.
Yes, as a matter of law, the result is correct. Whether someone with that poor judgment should be teaching is another matter.
"I don't see any problem with asking students, particularly during Black History Month, and particularly Black students, to impose the death penalty on an enslaved person who stands up to the person who purportedly owns them."
I assume the discussion could only really go like this:
"They killed enslaved people who didn't want to be slaves. Discuss."
"Um, treating other people as property is a bad thing."
"Killing people for not wanting to be treated as property is an even worse thing."
"Yeah, what they said."
I mean, you've got 228 laws to choose from. Why not one like this:
"If a judge try a case, reach a decision, and present his judgment in writing; if later error shall appear in his decision, and it be through his own fault, then he shall pay twelve times the fine set by him in the case, and he shall be publicly removed from the judge's bench, and never again shall he sit there to render judgement."
That's a rule the wisdom and justice of which the students could at least debate.
"and it could have been handled a bit better in any case; "Under Hamurabi's code, what would the slave's penalty have been.", NOT, "What would you do?""
Agreed. That's really the point of the question, not what would the child do.
Do you mean like this? The way the slide directions appeared in the lesson.
Use the master copy of Hammurabi’s Code to make judgements on the cases/scenarios on the next 3 slides. Make sure you give evidence to support your ideas (from the laws).
My exact thought in reading the case was that back in my day, the question would've been "Under Hammurabi's Code, what was the penalty prescribed for X?" rather than, "Pretend you're the judge; what sentence would you have given out?"
Someone help me out here, I don't understand. What would have been the outcome if the parents won their case?
I mean, the school already withdrew the assignment and apologized. So the issue seems to be moot. What were the parents hoping to win here? Monetary damages? A $1 symbolic award? The judge ordering mandatory sensitivity training for teachers? An order for the school to hire yet another diversity/sensitivity official, or what?
Pretty sure the Chinks, Krauts, Dotheads and Japs don't waste precious education time on BS like this. Did I leave anyone out?
Frank "Equal Opportunity Offender"
What is a dot head?
Seriously?
"The students were supposed to type in their answers and the correct answer would be revealed. The correct answer was "put to death.""
Sounds like a case where jury nullification would be in order.
Maybe I missed it. But I don't see one comment on the fact that somebody chose that question with that answer as a part of the lesson. Which just seems like a place you could easily not go. And that seems like the issue to me.
The percent of commentors here who almost entirely just throw their monkey feces runs pretty high. Along with the disruptors for amusement. I don't know if this has gotten worse, or if my tolerance for performative political incorrectness has gone down. Peace & goodwill ya'll. Spread Love.
So we sanitize history? For what purpose, to never expose people to the fact that slavery was global and not exclusively a white thing? Do we skip unpleasant lessons because it falls in the wrong month? Maybe we should stop enabling the victimization idolization instead.
So we sanitize history? For what purpose, to never expose people to the fact that slavery was global and not exclusively a white thing?
No. But I agree with Aemon that this particular question doesn't seem like it would be one of the central things to know about Hammurabi's code.
Note that the students were starting a unit on Mesopotamia. That could easily have included facts about slavery. Indeed, it probably should have. But highlighting the death penalty for a disobedient slave as a critical part of the code looks like bad judgment to me.
I wouldn't implicate a student, even hypothetically, in a situation where they'd pretend to order the death of a disobedient slave. That's what's wrong with the question. Would they lose points for saying "I'd set the slave free"?
Especially when the same goal can be achieved by asking "what would judge under Hammurabi's code do if" etc.
If you're teaching history, then of course you teach the ugly parts. After all, there are a *lot* of ugly parts, it's not all about Newton having apples drop on his head, it includes people having their heads removed from their bodies.
If kids are too snowflakey to know how prevalent slavery and its attendant cruelties were through long periods, then what *will* they get taught? That's even before we get to the wars, massacres, plagues, etc.
Oh good grief. Sure, it's a place you could easily not go.
But the answer to having gone there is to file a lawsuit???
I haven't seen anyone on this thread argue otherwise.
So not clear with whom you're exasperated, other than the plaintiffs, who, again, everyone agrees should have lost.
There was no jury.
Really?
But actually that is not the correct answer. The correct answer is:
"If a slave should declare to his master, 'You are not my master', he [the master] shall bring charge and proof against him that he is indeed his slave, and his master shall cut off his ear. (211)[86]"
The Code was a very early interest of mine, and in fact I put myself through college specifically to learn more about it. Little did I know when I started my higher education that no school was set up to just allow a student to study a topic of personal interest, at least not until after several years of introductory classes. At around the third year mark I because extremely discouraged as it seemed I would never get to anything I was interested in. Happily, I stuck around and was allowed to devote some time to the Code and write a paper.
I wonder if plaintiff's "expert" ever pointed that out?
No. It would have meant acknowledging that the plaintiff supplied that answer and passed it off as the teachers.
So the question arises; Who prepared the material for that section? Were they ignorant of the Code or just trying to simplify it for an on line class?
And what subject was this valuable lesson taught in?? "Ancient (Effing) History"??, again, there's a reason 90% of Nephrologists have an Indian (Dot Head, not Smoke Signals) accent, they learn things that are useful, (when your beans go, go to an Indian, they know their BUN from their Creatinine)
Frank
I'm not sure how "put to death" is more simplified than "cut off his ear." It's just wrong. Which further raises the issue of the competency of this "educator".
In fact, if the test actually had "put to death" as the correct answer, the plaintiffs should have used that as evidence that, in fact, the educator was attempting to cause harm. Still a loser, but there is no benign explanation for that mistake. At best, gross carelessness and ignorance of the subject matter of the class.
That was not the educators answer, but the students’. A fact that this student would know had he actually been in the class. Lol.
If that's true, and quite possible as the facts recited in a ruling on a motion for summary judgment are taken in the light most favorable to the non-movant (i.e., here pretty much the allegations of the plaintiff), then that does at least absolve the educators of teaching Hammurabi's Code inaccurately. Still highly questionable teach this material in this way during Black History Month, particularly including requiring students to answer what they would do as judge (with a right answer hewing to the Code) rather than just asking what was required under the Code.
I think you are saying that the Plaintiff’s factual assertions were not disputed under the summary judgement? Interesting. Thanks for that.
The student was asked on the slides before (this was one of several questions about the code) to regurgitate the code in one box as a judge in that era, and react as a group to the “crime” in the box below. (Of course, there is little evidence the Code was ever applied as law, but we’ll leave that aside)
Your desired wording was exactly how the question was phrased several slides before. Worse, looking at the slides only neglects the impact that a teacher, carefully guiding and leading an in class activity does for context. A good teacher (and all three were) makes the difference in having a thought-provoking and gentle conversation. Worse still this in class assignment was given during Covid, and the first plaintiff skipped class (missing any opportunity for group work or the above guidance), the second plaintiff WAS NOT EVEN ENROLLED IN THIS CLASS. (Sorry for the caps).
This was a single slide taken out of the context of the entire lesson. I doubt any of us could have our daily activities examined in this way without being misconstrued.
Quite correct. I am a local in the area. My kid was in the class. I had a laugh since the “put to death” answer was supplied by the student and then screen captured before their lawsuit. Ironically the student got the answer wrong, as was pointed out to my kid by the teacher. Of course, it is more sensational to assert that teachers want to apply ancient law to modern circumstances, even that they are secret worshipers of Baal….
Incidentally, this lesson was taught on MLK day. Why? There was a snow day the day before and they were catching up.
The teachers used these slides for in class discussion on justice and invited the students outrage (the opening slide is the famous eye-for-an-eye Ghandi quote) while contrasting the fact that these laws form one of the first instances of written law, this remain historically important. The slides had an area to regurgitate Hammurabi’s code and then another in which student teams were to fill in what they think of this law.
Too bad all three teachers we forced to resign. Too bad the local superintendent, Brad Saron, is a coward and won’t take a stand for his employees.
Lesson learned, don’t ask students to think. In public schools anyway…
The problem wasn't asking the students to think. There are all sorts of ways to discuss Hammurabi's Code, to include the provisions relating to slavery, in ways that aren't as offensive as this was. And note, Eugene, the judge, and most of the commenters here agree it was pretty stupid and offensive to present the material this way.
It's fine to ask students to think. Just think how to do that effectively, rather than in a manner that most people will find offensive. (Which, in the case of 6th graders, is highly likely to be counterproductive.)
I submit to you that the judge was not presented with the lesson and it’s entirety. Further asking students to empathize and react with ancient people in context is an effective way of teaching them about history in context. Have you ever wondered if you would be one of the banal evils going along with the final solution if you were alive in the 1930s and living in Germany? I’d be willing to wager that the reason you’ve wondered that is because a history teacher pushed you to do so.
The context was left out in what was presented to the judge as is evidenced by the incorrect assertion of the provided answer to the question. The district was simply incompetent In actually looking at what happened which is why the lawsuit got as far as it did.
With cases like this clogging the dockets of courts all over the country it's no wonder the wheels of justice move so slowly.
A really stupid idea to put a question about how to punish a slave in the same deck as material about Black History Month. It doesn't take much imagination to see how this would upset a black child.
Was it the child who was upset or his parents? Seems there is a generation of black snowflakes (among many other shades) who find offense everywhere.
Oh you are so tough!
It was taught on MLK day because they were behind a day due to a snow day. Incidentally the teachers from the district were given strict orders not to teach anything about MLK day unless it was explicitly part of their curriculum for that grade.
What color were Hammurabi's slaves?
They were BIPOC, of course.
And the masters were all white, right?
Cool comment, bruh. Remember. You have my full support for a letter of recommendation. I feel you are greatly undervalued at work.
The rule of law means that you pay the costs when you try to win the ghetto lottery.
If you actually think he is autistic, repeatedly using the term in a pejorative sense seems cruel. If you don't think he is autistic, using it in a pejorative sense is cruel to those actually on the spectrum. Hmm. Seems to boil down to you are an unkind person however you slice it.
I've muted him, as I don't think his posts add value to me. But I see no reason to troll him.
It's Queenie's go-to insult, for some reason I don't understand. Perhaps no personal acquaintance with actual autistics?
You can respond to his odd notions without using autistic as a slur. Which*clearly* is what you choose do. And that reflects badly on your character, not his.
Perhaps he just thinks you're redeemable...
I respond where I choose as do we all.
I think racist, ethnic, misogynistic, and homophobic slurs are clearly wrong. I don't respond to trollish statements in general, and don't respect Franks postings (and don't appear to notice Nisiliko's).
I think diagnosis of psychiatric disorders of strangers on the internet is highly inappropriate for *actual licensed psychiatrists*, much less untrained randos like yourself. I think using the results of such "diagnosis" as a pejorative or slur is wrong for anyone. Clearly you disagree.
I have a number in my circle who have some level of autism spectrum disorder (I was a software developer who attended grad school at an engineering university, not a shock in that environment to know such folks). I think using autistic as a pejorative towards an individual in any sense is simply wrong. In the same sense that using a homophobic or racial slur referring to an individual is wrong. "I'm not talking about all gays or blacks, just this person" sound like a good excuse to you? That is what your screed implies.
I dunno. Following a political party's echo chamber, because it gives you reinforcement you are a good person for doing so, is a religion, with all the downsides being a patsy for those in power at the top, just as with religion itself.
You stare at him. I stand behind you staring at both.
Behar is mentally ill, but I don't see how his mental illness is a manifestation of autism in any way. If you used that to describe Brett, maybe. But Behar has antisocial personality disorder, possibly paranoid delusions, but not autism.
Well, perhaps he's mistaken about that, then.
Actually, thanks for pointing him out. I've put him on ignore (I was mostly not paying attention to his posts tbh, he doesn't add value). And adding you too while I'm at it. You spend lots of time responding to trolls, and that focuses the forums on them rather than the posters who actually post things about, well, their response to the post in question. So you, Behar, Frank, and the Rev. You are in good company.
1950's children's entertainment wasn't so much "more" protected, than "differently" protected, I think. (I was born in '59, so I watched a lot of that, though often as reruns.) It was tuned to the dominant culture in the country, back then. Today it's tuned to a culture that aspires to being the dominant culture, but isn't yet.
Beher isn't autistic. Having a posting obsession is just not a symptom, otherwise your obsession with responding to him would mark you as autistic too.
And even if he was autistic, using it as a slur is wrong.
"Something is certainly off about the guy."
Sure, but its not autism.
"clutching pearls about it"
One comment pointing out your error is not "clutching pearls". I usually just ignore your responses to Beher but since the autism topic was broached I'd thought it worth a try. Obviously you enjoy rolling in the shit with Beher.
"seal shit"
I have no idea what that means.
Actually, not so much him as the cromags concerned about a man putting himself "in another man's tuchus". He does have a kernel of truth, though -- a lot of damage and problems are amplified by the lawyer profession because one third of million dollar settlements buy a lot of yachts.
This is lawyer-as-parasite.
I still think that is the lesser of two plagues on freedom and prosperity, the greater being the related bloated giant city bureaucracies that grow, like moss on trees, on the economic success of free people, then declare their bloat the source of the success, rather than a parasite on it. Combined with the ancient plague of corruption getting in the way to get paid to get back out of the way (and hence business kneels)...
This is boring. Where's the Thursday thread so I can wonder about Buffet's Chinese investment in EV production exceeding Tesla's. Hey! Hasn't the media been beating up on the Tesla guy for a few months now?
What a curious coincidence.
'cause making people look askance at him will shave sales as people avoid his produce.
If no one responds, they will go away. Its the response they love.
You are an enabler, part of the problem, not the solution.
Funny the the "queen" doesn't own a mirror.
That won't work with Behar. If no one else responds, he responds to himself. Over and over. Sometimes he's the only commenter in an entire thread.
I think it was actually benefiting from that, though. Modern writers seem to think they can replace a lot of character development and story line with swearing and sex. A lot of the 50's and 60's TV was very sanitized, but at the same time witty. Batman, for example.
I think you haven't actually watched very much of that content. Some of it dealt with considerably more mature themes than the pablum available today. Yes, sexual topics were heavily censored but other topics were addressed as well or often better than they are today.
...but she does own a projector.
Hi, Queenie. I never call for the lawyer profession to be executed, 1.5 million people. I call for it to be liberated. If the public is oppressed, the lawyer is doubly oppressed, and the regular judge, triply oppressed. You would learn about Professional Responsibility in law school.
I call for rounding up the Ivy indoctrinated scumbags in the hierarchy of the lawyer profession, 25000 traitors. Once eradicated, the profession could be liberated to fulfill its mission of the rule of law, which makes civilization possible, and greatly contributes to the economy.
It takes more than a handful of no-response posts to change their behavior.
Just mute and forget if you can't control your responses.
I am married to a woman. You, on the other hand, likely haven't gotten any in the last 20 years.
Unless you're counting the trysts you have in the Waffle House parking lots.
Dave. Your colleagues are not autistic. They are nerds. Do they have wives or girlfriends? They have good attachment and are nerds.
As I just said, a few threads with no engagement is not enough. It takes months.
Trolls get tired without their reply guys.
...and an super sized ego.
Hi, Rhoid. Where in MD do you live? I lived in Bethesda, a paradise, just 2 miles from hell.