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What the Declaration of Independence Said and Meant
It officially adopted the American Theory of Government: First Come Rights; Then Comes Government to Secure These Rights
[This year, my annual post celebrating the Fourth of July is drawn from a chapter of Our Republican Constitution: Securing the Liberty and Sovereignty of We the People, and from a short essay on the same topic, The Declaration of Independence and the American Theory of Government: First Come Rights, and Then Comes Government." It also draws upon Sean Wilentz, No Property in Man: Slavery and Antislavery at the Nation's Founding]
The Declaration of Independence used to be read aloud at public gatherings every Fourth of July. Today, while all Americans have heard of it, all too few have read more than its second sentence. Yet the Declaration shows the natural rights foundation of the American Revolution, and provides important information about what the founders believed makes a constitution or government legitimate. It also raises the question of how these fundamental rights are reconciled with the idea of "the consent of the governed," another idea for which the Declaration is famous.
In 1776, there was slavery in every one of the 13 states. The adoption of the Declaration, and the public affirmation of its principles, led directly to the abolition of slavery in half of the United States by the time the Constitution was drafted just 11 years later. The Rhode Island gradual abolition law of 1784 read:
All men are entitled to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and the holding Mankind in a State of Slavery, as private property, which has gradually obtained by unrestrained Custom and the Permission of the Law, is repugnant to this Principle, and subversive of the Happiness of Mankind.
in 1787, during the same summer that the Constitution was being drafted in Philadelphia, the principles of the Declaration also inspired Congress to unanimously abolish slavery in the Northwest Territory from which the states of Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin and part of Minnesota were formed. Even all the Southern states supported this.
Later, the Declaration also assumed increasing importance in the struggle to abolish slavery in the rest of the nation. It became a lynchpin of the moral and constitutional arguments of the nineteenth-century abolitionists. As one New Yorker opposed to slavery wrote in 1797:
The right of property which every man has to his personal liberty is paramount to all the laws of property…. All I contend for at present is, that no claims of property can ever justly interfere with, or be suffered to impede the operation of that noble and eternal principle, that "all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights–and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The Declaration was much relied upon by Abraham Lincoln and many others before him:
Without the Constitution and the Union, we could not have attained the result; but even these, are not the primary cause of our great prosperity. There is something back of these, entwining itself more closely about the human heart. That something, is the principle of "Liberty to all"–the principle that clears the path for all–gives hope to all–and, by consequence, enterprize, and industry to all.
The expression of that principle, in our Declaration of Independence, was most happy, and fortunate. Without this, as well as with it, we could have declared our independence of Great Britain; but without it, we could not, I think, have secured our free government, and consequent prosperity. No oppressed, people will fight, and endure, as our fathers did, without the promise of something better, than a mere change of masters.
The assertion of that principle, at that time, was the word, "fitly spoken" which has proved an "apple of gold" to us. The Union, and the Constitution, are the picture of silver, subsequently framed around it. The picture was made, not to conceal, or destroy the apple; but to adorn, and preserve it. The picture was made for the apple—not the apple for the picture.
The Declaration had to be explained away–quite unconvincingly–by the Supreme Court in Dred Scott. And eventually it was repudiated by some defenders of slavery in the South because of its inconsistency with that institution.
When reading the Declaration, it is worth keeping in mind two very important facts. The Declaration constituted high treason against the Crown. Every person who signed it would be executed as traitors should they be caught by the British. Second, the Declaration was considered to be a legal document by which the revolutionaries justified their actions and explained why they were not truly traitors. It represented, as it were, a literal indictment of the Crown and Parliament, in the very same way that criminals are now publicly indicted for their alleged crimes by grand juries representing "the People."
But to justify a revolution, it was not thought to be enough that officials of the government of England, the Parliament, or even the sovereign himself had violated the rights of the people. No government is perfect; all governments violate rights. This was well known. So the Americans had to allege more than mere violations of rights. They had to allege nothing short of a criminal conspiracy to violate their rights systematically. Hence, the famous reference to "a long train of abuses and usurpations" and the list that follows the first two paragraphs. In some cases, these specific complaints account for provisions eventually included in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
In Our Republican Constitution: Securing the Liberty and Sovereignty of We the People, I explain how the Declaration encapsulated the political theory that lead the Constitution some eleven years later. To appreciate all that is packed into the two paragraphs that comprise the preamble to the list of grievances, it is useful to break down the Declaration into some of its key claims.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
This first sentence is often forgotten. It asserts that Americans as a whole (and not as members of their respective colonies) are a distinct "people." To "dissolve the political bands" revokes the "social compact" that existed between the Americans and the rest of "the People" of the British commonwealth, reinstates the "state of nature" between Americans and the government of Great Britain, and makes "the Laws of Nature" the standard by which this dissolution and whatever government is to follow are judged. "Declare the causes" indicates they are publicly stating the reasons and justifying their actions rather than acting as thieves in the night. The Declaration is like the indictment of a criminal that states the basis of his criminality. But the ultimate judge of the rightness of their cause will be God, which is why the revolutionaries spoke of an "appeal to heaven"—an expression commonly found on revolutionary banners and flags. As British political theorist John Locke wrote: "The people have no other remedy in this, as in all other cases where they have no judge on earth, but to appeal to heaven." The reference to a "decent respect to the opinions of mankind" might be viewed as a kind of an international public opinion test. Or perhaps the emphasis is on the word "respect," recognizing the obligation to provide the rest of the world with an explanation they can evaluate for themselves.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "
The most famous line of the Declaration. On the one hand, this will become a great embarrassment to a people who permitted slavery. On the other hand, making public claims like this has consequences—that's why people make them publicly. To be held to account. This promise will provide the heart of the abolitionist case in the nineteenth century, which is why late defenders of slavery eventually came to reject the Declaration. And it forms the basis for Martin Luther King's metaphor of the civil rights movement as a promissory note that a later generation has come to collect.
Notice that the rights of "life," "liberty" and "the pursuit of happiness" are individual, not collective or group rights. They belong to "We the People"—each and every one. This is not to say that government may not create collective, positive rights; but only that the rights that the next sentence tells us are to be secured by government belong to us as individuals.
What are "unalienable," or more commonly, "inalienable rights"? Inalienable rights are those you cannot give up even if you want to and consent to do so, unlike other rights that you can agree to transfer or waive. Why the claim that they are inalienable rights? The Founders want to counter England's claim that, by accepting the colonial governance, the colonists had waived or alienated their rights. The Framers claimed that with inalienable rights, you always retain the ability to take back any right that has been given up.
A standard trilogy throughout this period was "life, liberty, and property." For example, the Declaration and Resolves of the First Continental Congress (1774) read: "That the inhabitants of the English colonies in North-America, by the immutable laws of nature, the principles of the English constitution, and the several charters or compacts, have the following RIGHTS: Resolved, 1. That they are entitled to life, liberty and property: and they have never ceded to any foreign power whatever, a right to dispose of either without their consent." Or, as John Locke wrote, "no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions."
When drafting the Declaration in June of 1776, Jefferson based his formulation on a preliminary version of the Virginia Declaration of Rights that had been drafted by George Mason at the end of May for Virginia's provincial convention. Here is how Mason's draft read:
THAT all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent natural rights, of which they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; among which are, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
Notice how George Mason's oft-repeated formulation combines the right of property with the pursuit of happiness. And, in his draft, not only do all persons have "certain . . . natural rights" of life, liberty, and property, but these rights cannot be taken away "by any compact." Again, these rights each belong to individuals. And these inherent individual natural rights, of which the people—whether acting collectively or as individuals—cannot divest their posterity, are therefore retained by them, which is helpful in understanding the Ninth Amendment's reference to the "rights…retained by the people."
Interestingly, Mason's draft was slightly altered by the Virginia Convention in Williamsburg on June 11, 1776. After an extensive debate, the officially adopted version read (with the modifications in italics):
That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
This version is still in effect today.
According to historian Pauline Meier, by changing "are born equally free" to "are by nature equally free," and "inherent natural rights" to "inherent rights," and then by adding "when they enter into a state of society," defenders of slavery in the Virginia convention could contend that slaves were not covered because they "had never entered Virginia's society, which was confined to whites." Yet it was the language of Mason's radical draft—rather than either Virginia's final wording or Jefferson's more succinct formulation—that became the canonical statement of first principles. Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Vermont adopted Mason's original references to "born equally free" and to "natural rights" into their declarations of rights while omitting the phrase "when they enter into a state of society." Indeed, it is remarkable that these states would have had Mason's draft language, rather than the version actually adopted by Virginia, from which to copy. Here is Massachusetts' version:
All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.
Virginia slaveholders' concerns about Mason's formulation proved to be warranted. In 1783, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court relied upon this more radical language to invalidate slavery in that state. And its influence continued. In 1823, it was incorporated into an influential circuit court opinion by Justice Bushrod Washington defining the "privileges and immunities" of citizens in the several states as "protection by the Government, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the right to acquire and possess property of every kind, and to pursue and obtain happiness and safety."
Justice Washington's opinion in Corfield (to which we will return), with Mason's language at its core, was then repeatedly quoted by Republicans in the Thirty-Ninth Congress when they explained the meaning of the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which reads: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was this constitutional language that Republicans aimed at the discriminatory Black Codes by which Southerners were seeking to perpetuate the subordination of blacks, even after slavery had been abolished.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men.… "
Another overlooked line, which is of greatest relevance to our discussion of the first underlying assumption of the Constitution: the assumption of natural rights. Here, even more clearly than in Mason's draft, the Declaration stipulates that the ultimate end or purpose of republican governments is "to secure these" preexisting natural rights that the previous sentence affirmed were the measure against which all government—whether of Great Britain or the United States—will be judged. This language identifies what is perhaps the central underlying "republican" assumption of the Constitution: that governments are instituted to secure the preexisting natural rights that are retained by the people. In short, that first come rights and then comes government.
"…deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
Today, there is a tendency to focus entirely on the second half of this sentence, referencing "the consent of the governed," to the exclusion of the first part, which refers to securing our natural rights. Then, by reading "the consent of the governed" as equivalent to "the will of the people," the second part of the sentence seems to support majoritarian rule by the people's "representatives." In this way, "consent of the governed" is read to mean "consent to majoritarian rule." Put another way, the people can consent to anything, including rule by a majority in the legislature who will then decide the scope of their rights as individuals.
But read carefully, one sees that in this passage the Declaration speaks of "just powers," suggesting that only some powers are "justly" held by government, while others are beyond its proper authority. And notice also that "the consent of the governed" assumes that the people do not themselves rule or govern, but are "governed" by those individual persons who make up the "governments" that "are instituted among men."
The Declaration stipulates that those who govern the people are supposed "to secure" their preexisting rights, not impose the will of a majority of the people on the minority. And, as the Virginia Declaration of Rights made explicit, these inalienable rights cannot be surrendered "by any compact." Therefore, the "consent of the governed," to which the second half of this sentence refers, cannot be used to override the inalienable rights of the sovereign people that are reaffirmed by the first half.
In modern political discourse, people tend to favor one of these concepts over the other—either preexistent natural rights or popular consent—which leads them to stress one part of this sentence in the Declaration over the other. The fact that rights can be uncertain and disputed leads some to emphasize the consent part of this sentence and the legitimacy of popularly enacted legislation. But the fact that there is never unanimous consent to any particular law, or even to the government itself, leads others to emphasize the rights part of this sentence and the legitimacy of judges protecting the "fundamental" or "human" rights of individuals and minorities.
If we take both parts of this sentence seriously, however, this apparent tension can be reconciled by distinguishing between (a) the ultimate end or purpose of legitimate governance and (b) how any particular government gains jurisdiction to rule. So, while the protection of natural rights or justice is the ultimate end of governance, particular governments only gain jurisdiction to achieve this end by the consent of those who are governed. In other words, the "consent of the governed" tells us which government gets to undertake the mission of "securing" the natural rights that are retained by the people. After all, justifying the independence of Americans from the British government was the whole purpose of the Declaration of Independence.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
People have the right to take back power from the government. Restates the end—human safety and happiness—and connects the principles and forms of government as means to this end.
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
Affirms at least two propositions: On the one hand, long-established government should not be changed for just any reason. The mere fact that rights are violated is not enough to justify revolution. All governments on earth will sometimes violate rights. But things have to become very bad before anyone is going to organize a resistance. Therefore, the very existence of this Declaration is evidence that things are very bad indeed.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Revolution is justified only if there "is a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object"—evidence of what amounts to an actual criminal conspiracy by the government against the rights of the people. The opposite of "light and transient causes," that is, the more ordinary violations of rights by government.
"Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III—Eds.] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
What follows is a bill of indictment. Several of these items end up in the Bill of Rights. Others are addressed by the form of the government established—first by the Articles of Confederation, and ultimately by the Constitution.
The assumption of natural rights expressed in the Declaration of Independence can be summed up by the following proposition: "First comes rights, then comes government." According to this view: (1) the rights of individuals do not originate with any government, but preexist its formation; (2) the protection of these rights is the first duty of government; and (3) even after government is formed, these rights provide a standard by which its performance is measured and, in extreme cases, its systemic failure to protect rights—or its systematic violation of rights—can justify its alteration or abolition; (4) at least some of these rights are so fundamental that they are "inalienable," meaning they are so intimately connected to one's nature as a human being that they cannot be transferred to another even if one consents to do so. This is powerful stuff.
At the Founding, these ideas were considered so true as to be self-evident. However, today the idea of natural rights is obscure and controversial. Oftentimes, when the idea comes up, it is deemed to be archaic. Moreover, the discussion by many of natural rights, as reflected in the Declaration's claim that such rights "are endowed by their Creator," leads many to characterize natural rights as religiously based rather than secular. As I explain in The Structure of Liberty: Justice and the Rule of Law, I believe this is a mistake.
The political theory announced in the Declaration of Independence can be summed up in a single sentence: First come rights, and then comes government. This proposition is not, as some would say, a libertarian theory of government. The Declaration of Independence shows it to be the officially adopted American Theory of Government.
- According to the American Theory of Government, the rights of individuals do not originate with any government but pre-exist its formation;
- According to the American Theory of Government, the protection of these rights is both the purpose and first duty of government;
- According to the American Theory of Government, at least some of these rights are so fundamental that they are inalienable, meaning that they are so intimately connected to one's nature as a human being that they cannot be transferred to another even if one consents to do so;
- According to the American Theory of Government, because these rights are inalienable, even after a government is formed, they provide a standard by which its performance is measured; in extreme cases, a government's systemic violation of these rights or failure to protect them can justify its alteration and abolition. In the words of the Declaration, "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends," that is the securing of these rights, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
The original public meaning of the text of the Declaration of Independence is distinct from the original public meaning of the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution, however it is properly interpreted, does not justify itself. To be legitimate, it must be consistent with political principles that are capable of justifying it. Moreover, these same publicly identified original principles are needed inform how the original public meaning of the Constitution is to be faithfully to be applied when the text of
the Constitution is not alone specific enough to decide a case or controversy.
The original principles that the Founders thought underlie and justify the Constitution were neither shrouded in mystery nor to be found by parsing the writings of Locke, Montesquieu, or Machiavelli.
On July 2nd, 1776, the Congress of the United States voted for independence from Great Britain. On July 4th, 1776, it officially adopted the American Theory of Government, which was publicly articulated in the Declaration of Independence.
Happy Independence Day!
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It is always funny to see how much mental acrobatics American conservatives engage in to explain that the Declaration of Independence wasn't what it plainly was: A piece of propaganda full of lies, like all propaganda, written by rich slave owners who resented having to pay taxes and not being able to steal Native American land without restrictions.
(The previous example was prof. Somin explaining how, somehow, America becoming independent from a British Empire that was in the middle of abolishing slavery was somehow good for American slaves.)
Thanks for an alternative explanation of American history.
Your are aware that at the time of the Declaration most of the land in the Americas had been "stolen" by the Dutch, French, Spanish and English.
Of course, why do you ask?
Seems to contradict your claim below.
"that the Declaration of Independence wasn't what it plainly was: A piece of propaganda full of lies, like all propaganda, written by rich slave owners who resented having to pay taxes and not being able to steal Native American land without restrictions."
Apologies, I over-interpreted the scare quotes around your "stolen". Most of the land that now belongs to the United States belonged, in 1776, to the Native American tribes that had lived there for centuries. The fact that some Europeans had drawn some lines on a map doesn't change that. Which is why the American colonists waged war in what is now Tennessee and Kentucky before the ink was dry on their Declaration of Independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_District,_North_Carolina
And the NAs lived in peace and tranquillity in harmony with the land, right? Lol. Hell no, they fought each other constantly. And when they won, they took not only your land but also your women and children. They themselves practiced slavery.
Sure, Caucasian Americans ended up with the land but land moved around so much that it’s difficult to say who the rightful owner is. They lived by the rules back then, which was the rawest form of Darwinism.
And before you leap to your usual “racist” reflex, understand that I (unlike your heroine Elizabeth Warren) have an extensive Cherokee branch in my ancestry, including some who walked the Trail. The great white man hating Chief Doublehead was my 7x great uncle. You can look him up.
You'll get no argument here. That's why I generally oppose apologies for colonialism, etc. It's not my fault that, for a period of time, my ancestors (or, if you're going to be precise, the compatriots of my ancestors) were better at stealing land than other people.
But the original topic was "What the Declaration of Independence said and meant", and what it meant was (among other things) "we'd like to steal all this land, but the King of England won't let us".
Maybe a better construction would be "the King of England stole this land and now we want to steal it from him".
That would be surprising, given who it was that shot at the colonists when they stole the land in question.
At the time they were subjects of the Crown and acting on the King's behalf.
It was an aspiration that is still in process of being realized because human beings are imperfect and in many cases total shitheads.
I don’t think the King was stopping any land taking though. He was a big time colonizer. Taking of more land would have been in his sweet spot because it adds acreage and resources to the empire. Someone else was right about you putting down the 1619 bong because it’s messing with your perception.
Just read the grievances:
"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
Which is code for: "The King has constrained or freedom to kill Native Americans and steal their land." Why do you think the Native Americans fought on the British side in the revolutionary war?
Because they wanted to be on (what they thought would be) the winning side.
I'm not sure we can treat the NAs as a monolith, but there were also existing alliances from the previous war.
That being said, wanting faster expansion was absolutely one of the grievances the colonists had.
At the time that was written, there were Indians actively fighting on behalf of the Brits against the colonist rebels.
It had absolutely zero to do with the King preventing colonists from doing anything to the Indians.
It had absolutely zero to do with the King preventing colonists from doing anything to the Indians.
Toranth — Get and read, "The Indian World of George Washington," Colin Calloway (Oxford University Press).
It proves the opposite (making allowance that you said, "King," when you might better have mentioned, "parliament.") You will rarely find historical proof so convincing as in that astonishing book. Throughout my academic study of history in the 60's and early 70s it was taken for granted by everyone that a great deal of history involving Indians in the colonial era would remain forever conjectural, for want of records. Turns out there were far more records than anyone then knew, and Calloway found them.
Unfortunately it has been the nature of mankind to "steal" land from "original inhabitants" for all of recorded history and probably since we first became "human", which is why I have a problem with your original post.
At the time of the Declaration, European powers were busy colonizing and appropriating land allover the globe.
At the time of the Declaration the land that now belongs to the US most certainly did not belong to Native Americans.
The 13 colonies (later states) existed on land expropriated by England. The entire center of the country belonged to France.
Most of the Southwest and California belonged to Spain.
Russia claimed Alaska.
Of course those countries did not establish large populations in these areas and so the Native Americans were pretty much free to continue there life as they always had.
Please understand that I do not excuse the subsequent treatment of the native population (including those in Hawaii). My only point is that this type of treatment was not unique to American (and neither was slavery).
Traditionally colonising states couldn't claim land unless they'd at least visited it. So the idea that the entire territory covered by the later Louisiana purchase belonged to France might be a convenient fiction, rather than a truth in any meaningful sense. The same goes for the legal effect of various colonial charters that may or may not have given colonists authority going West all the way to the moon. That might be nice as a matter of domestic British law at the time, but nemo transferre potest quod non ipse habet.
My only point is that this type of treatment was not unique to American (and neither was slavery).
Indeed it wasn't. Hence my frequent surprise seeing Americans write about the Founding Fathers as if they are modern day saints, innocent of any sin. They were up to their eyeballs in pillage and plunder, just like everybody else. The fact that they wrote some pretty words pretending that they weren't doesn't change that.
(And the same is true for the Dutch Act of Abjuration, almost 200 years previous, which follows almost an identical approach to the US Declaration of Independence, of affirming the sacred right to kick out tyrants followed by a long list of grievances. That document, too, was quite hypocritical given the Dutch practice, at the same time, of tyrannising people all over the globe.)
Well I guess we can agree to disagree.
Off for a burger and a Yuengling.
Happy 4th!
By the mid-1780s - before the constitution was even written, Pennsylvania and the New England colonies had either outlawed slavery or had begun the process of ending it. Your view of this is every bit as cartoonish as what you attribute to Americans. The founders were fallible humans dealing with complicated situations and put together what was ultimately a compromise. But all of them (and all of the colonies) were not hard core slavers. Don’t accuse others of simplifying by simplifying.
But the Declaration was drafted by a pretty hard core slaver. Jefferson’s wrote on both sides of the issue, but every time the chips came down, dude fell on the slavery side.
I like the Frederick Douglass take on the Founding era and docs. Whether intended or not, they laid out a great, noble and exceptional promise to humanity as a whole. And the American project has been and continues to be elevated by grappling with that promise.
Yeah that’s pretty close.
And even more broadly and longer looking, if you could somehow put a number on freedom and graph it, over the last, say, thousand years the trend would be up. It ain’t a straight line as there are setbacks and bumps, but it would look like a tilted sine curve going in a good direction.
Humans want to be free and over time that wins out. The DofI one constitution were things that moved that graph higher.
Yep. Same page here! 😀
Just don’t go into the Middle East sure that hunger for freedom is all you need…
Pretty much this. They had their issues, but the idea was noble.
You have your rights as inherent due to your beating heart.
They are not a gift from a king.
They are not a gift from someone powerful.
They are not a gift from Congress.
They are not a gift from democracy.
The subsequent 246 years have been a long process of extending that nobility to all, to the point it was promised originally.
Traditionally colonising states couldn't claim land unless they'd at least visited it.
A visit.
oops again.
Edit function, anyone?
I see someone's been hitting the 1619 Kool-aid a bit hard this week.
I mean, you're wrong about the people involved, their actions, their motives, and the history, but other than that, you're on a roll!
I mean, you do realize that slavery was practiced in British territories until after the American Civil War, right? And that Belgium was practicing slavery, and a more horrible version than the US one, after that, too? Like Germany, they were doing it into the 20th century.
But nope, it's better to complain that a US ideal that fell short of perfect was somehow worse than the people that never tried at all.
What do Belgium and Germany have to do with anything?
As for the British, Somersett's Case predated the US declaration of independence by four years. By 1776, the writing was definitely on the wall, even though it took until 1833 for slavery to be abolished entirely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_v_Stewart#Thirteen_Colonies_and_United_States
Interesting you now admit that the British Empire was clearly NOT in the process of abolishing slavery in 1776. Somerset case ruled that slavery was illegal in England only; it did not apply to the colonies, which did not free their slaves for another 60 years.
Different times in different colonies.
In the 1790's in various parts of Canada, but not until 1843 in Ceylon and the territories of the East India Company.
The majority of the British Empire's population did not live in the British Isles, so banning slavery there didn't do much - especially when it continued for a century afterwards in various other parts. Or do you not care, because all that nasty stuff was swept out of sight?
And if the US, imperfect as it was, did better than other nations, then isn't that worthy of comparison? Or are you merely trying to claim that the US isn't #1, they're #2 behind the British?
It’s always enlightening when leftists talk about this stuff. We all basically understand you’re anti-American but your posts put it in clear focus for everyone.
Let me tell you a secret, I'm not actually a "leftist" in any meaningful sense. I just don't have any reason to flatter Americans about their history, or to vote for the demon possession lady just to get my taxes lowered.
No argument about you being anti-American though.
Acknowledging slavery being having lots of fans back in the day is not anti-American.
Nope. But saying everyone on the American continent was favorably inclined toward slavery at the time of the founding (as Martin appears to be saying) is historically inaccurate.
I don’t see where he said that, but I’m also not exhaustively reading the thread - it’s vacation time after all!
Read the first comment on this article where he says the D of I was written by rich slave owners who want to do evil evil things. It’s exactly what he said.
...propaganda full of lies, like all propaganda, written by rich slave owners who resented having to pay taxes
That is exactly correct, though. The writers of the Declaration were not 'everyone on the American continent.'
They weren’t all rich slave owners. John Adams. Roger Sherman. A whole lot of others that were abolitionist. His statement is the exact opposite of exactly correct.
Sure - but one guy wrote and edited the thing, and he was pretty into slavery.
Just because abolitionists signed on doesn't mean a big purpose of the document wasn't to keep England from touching the slave-based economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeuaTpH6Ck0
That exactly misses the point. The authors of the Declaration of Independence in no way spoke for the population of the colonies at the time. That's why they had to gang press people off the streets to get soldiers (who then deserted in droves), while the English had a much easier time recruiting, including by promising slaves their freedom if they enlisted (all of which, for a variety of reasons, didn't stop them losing).
It’s something an anti-American might do though.
People who like America may grudgingly acknowledge America's flaws. Every nation has flaws.
Anti-Americans bring it up. They revel in the talk of flaws. They revel in ancient historical grievances because history can’t be undone. Anti-Americans prefer negative talk about America and scoff at anything positive.
Stop giving critics the benefit of the doubt — because honestly, how generous are critics with the benefit of doubts? — and it becomes easy to see.
Liking America does not mean you have to be grudging in acknowledging it's flaws.
Facts are facts, I like to know all of them unflinchingly.
Emphasis on the "grudging."
I'll quote Burke (including, for full context, the problematic language about consecration):
"To avoid therefore the evils of inconstancy and versatility, ten thousand times worse than those of obstinacy and the blindest prejudice, we have consecrated the state, that no man should approach to look into defects or corruptions but with due caution; that he should never dream of beginning its reformation by its subversion; that he should approach to the faults of the state as to the wounds of a father, with pious awe and trembling sollicitude. By this wise prejudice we are taught to look with horror on those children of their country who are prompt rashly to hack that aged parent in pieces, and put him into the kettle of magicians, in hopes that by their poisonous weeds, and wild incantations, they may regenerate the paternal constitution, and renovate their father's life."
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eccodemo/K043880.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
Celebration of the negative isn’t about knowing facts. It’s about editing the facts so the good things are forgotten and the historical context that helps to understand everything else is ignored.
Forget all the good things and ignore the basic day-to-day struggles of life and it’s easy to render a self-indulgent negative judgment on anyone. There’s an eagerness to direct these condemnations at America and Americans. It’s not because the people doing it like America.
It’s about editing the facts so the good things are forgotten and the historical context that helps to understand everything else is ignored.
No one, no one, has been more guilty of "editing facts" than those who want to cast the US as blameless, the Founders as all-wise all-seeing saints, the Confederates as noble fighters for liberty.
Your complaint is that some people like to try to be positive.
There's a lot of middle ground between 'only bring up America's flaws' and 'only grudgingly admit America's flaws.'
What’s your evidence for the claim that the British were in process of abolishing slavery at time of American Revolution? Slavery was legal in other British colonies up until 1830s.
That is a new one, that the colonists separated because England was starting to end slavery, and they wanted to keep their slaves.
Well, it works to savage the "noble" old south and get rid of the look away, look away, Dixieland wistfulness.
I wonder if this will have its intended goal. Wreck US Constitutional pride so the power hungry can more easily arrogate power, amd get in the way at will to get paid to get back out of the way.
Can’t expect a European to understand.
Especially a country that while it was a republic for almost 300 years after throwing off a foreign yoke, absurdly decided to establish a monarchy in 1815.
1815!!!
If the Federals govern us at our consent, why won’t they let me retract my consent?
Several people did on January 6th.
Freedom ain't free.
The fundamental dishonesty of the Originalists - not of Originalism - is their simultaneously holding two contradictory views of the Constitution. The first is that the Constitution is a delegation of power from the People, who are sovereign, and the second, that it is up to those in receipt of the delegated power to determine what has been delegated.
This dishonesty arises in the context of the 9th amendment, which recognises that there are other unenumerated rights. The Originalists, most notably Thomas, argue that any rights not recognised then or thereafter aren't covered by 9A, In any event AFAICT not a single Originalist is prepared to accept the full implications of 9A - often enough preferring to ignore 9A altogether, as e.g., Bork did and Scalia tried to.
But that is precisely not the point. Because the People are sovereign, where they have not explicitly delegated the power they have retained the right. To say where they have not explicitly retained the right the delegated powers have the authority is exactly backwards - and runs contrary to their generally expressed view of the Constitution noted above.,
And this also means that contrary to them, a right need not have existed or been thought of at the time of the Constitution's ratification to exist now - and it is hence dishonest for them to argue otherwise.
Well, if there are unenumerated rights, who gets to "numerate" them and how is that done?
Asking for a friend.
The courts can do it just as they do with the enumerated rights by looking at the founding to see what are considered rights. It's important to remember the the BOR didn't really create the rights they enumerate. Anti federalists said it was needed to secure the rights, the Federalists countered it wasn't necessary only because the Constitution already didn't allow them to be infringed as that power was granted. Both sides were in agreement they existed. The Federalists further argued that if we put in some rights then it would imply others weren't protected, hence the necessity for the 9th and 10th amendments.
The rights ultimately enumerated were only the ones that tyrannical governments most used to oppress the populace but that doesn't mean that they are the only rights. They very explicitly, per the 9th, weren't.
Just as we look to history to see what the enumerated amendments mean, we can look to history to see what were considered rights as the time, that weren't constitutionally enumerated.
we can look to history to see what were considered rights as the time, that weren't constitutionally enumerated
We can. We can also use common sense, or our brains.
We can also use common sense, or our brains.
Were you planning on doing that any time soon?
"Well, if there are unenumerated rights, who gets to "numerate" them and how is that done?"
Each sovereign citizen gets to decide for themselves, duh.
(You may have to educate the officer on why the laws about speeding, license plates, etc don't apply to you)
(You may have to educate the officer on why the laws about speeding, license plates, etc don't apply to you)
Yeah, good luck with that.
" . . . and the second, that it is up to those in receipt of the delegated power to determine what has been delegated."
Nope.
It was written down and signed. Every single legitimate federal power is specifically spelled out in the constitution.
I’m certainly not prepared to ignore the 9th amendment, but the idea that to be protected by the 9th the right had to be recognized at the time is clearly in the text:
“deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
You can’t retain something you didn’t have in the first place. But you can require new rights by amendment.
So putting in context of abortion, I don’t think there is any cognizable argument the 9th protects a right to abortion, but I certainly think it protects a right to travel whether for an abortion, or smoke a joint where it’s legal.
Why couldn't rights retained by the people change over time, as understandings and values change? Or perhaps it's more precise to say that our understanding of what is covered by a particular retained right changes over time. After all, even our understanding of what is covered by the enumerated rights has changed and evolved.
Exactly.
We are allowed to learn. That someone in 1792 might not have thought something was a right has no real bearing on whether we can consider it a right today.
Not all constitutional rights coincide with inalienable human rights.
A rather different contribution to the day.
A poem by Howard Nemerov
Because I am drunk, this Independence Night,
I watch the fireworks from far away,
from a high hill, across the moony green
Of lakes and other hills to the town harbor,
Where stately illuminations are flung aloft,
One light shattering in a hundred lights
Minute by minute. The reason I am crying,
Aside from only being country drunk,
That is, may be that I have just remembered
The sparklers, rockets, roman candles and
so on, we used to be allowed to buy
When I was a boy, and set off by ourselves
At some peril to life and property.
Our freedom to abuse our freedom thus
Has since, I understand, been remedied
By legislation. Now the authorities
Arrange a perfectly safe public display
To be watched at a distance; and now also
The contribution of all the taxpayers
Together makes a more spectacular
Result than any could achieve alone
(A few pale pinwheels, or a firecracker
Fused at the dog's tail). It is, indeed, splendid:
Showers of roses in the sky, fountains
Of emeralds, and those profusely scattered zircons
Falling and falling, flowering as they fall
And followed distantly by a noise of thunder.
My eyes are half-afloat in happy tears.
God bless our Nation on a night like this,
And bless the careful and secure officials
Who celebrate our independence now.
Sorry, Mr. Nemerov, it’s called “growing up”. Or “civilization”
Yes, the government grows up so the people don't have to.
For a self-proclaimed originalist, this guy sure seems to want to strenuously disregard the founders' slaveholdings (while furiously building a mighty facade from their other activities).
Why?
Originalism: Still less popular, less influential, less important, and less attractive than Kim Kardashian -- although, as conservatives love to point out, originalism is slightly older than Kim Kardashian.
The most important point is that originalism and Kim Kardashian will have roughly the same lifespans and periods of relevance.
...but which has the bigger ass?
Deftly played.
I'd say that depends on whether you consider Josh Blackman an originalist.
He considers himself an originalism.
So unless you are claiming men can't get pregnant, then he is whatever he considers himself to be.
From Paterson's concurrence in Calder v Bull:
"It is obvious from the specification of contracts in the last member of the clause, that the framers of the Constitution, did not understand or use the words [ex post facto] in the sense contended for on the part of the Plaintiffs in Error."
That's a lot older than Kim Kardasian.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men.… "
Not just to secure those natural rights but a recognition that without Government, those rights cannot be protected.
You point out that "without Government, those rights cannot be protected." Granted. But, what is the proper course of action when Government no longer protects those rights? Or proactively violates them? Well, if Government is neglecting its prime responsibility, or is doing something outright contrary to its spelled-out responsibilities, it is the citizens' duty to destroy that Government and institute a proper one.
I disagree with your premise that government is necessary for the protection of rights. Government has proven to be the greatest violator of individual rights and liberties known to man. At best, one can make a case that the judiciary sometimes protects the rights of individuals against government violations of rights. But that means it was the government that was trying to do it on the first place.
This is sophomoric. Society expanded human liberty, the state of nature is not something to aspire to.
Jeezzzzz. Talk about sophomoric!
Are you one of those sophomoric fools who thinks beaver dams are a state of nature but human dams, even those also constructed of trees and mud, are not?
Governments are a product of the natural state.
Not you have become tautological.
It's not just adjectives you are full of.
If everything that comes out of nature is basically the state of nature, than that statement means nothing.
Hobbes weeps.
Let me tell you about this guy, Alex. Whenever Mexico or other Central American countries are discussed, Alex always brings up the Mayans and the Aztecs, talking about how they built giant pyramids to sacrifice people in barbaric rituals. Every single time.
Mexican election: Alex says the candidates remind him of Aztec priests.
Building a highway: Alex says Mayans used paths to bring victims to the pyramids.
Lunch at taco restaurant: Alex says Aztecs cooked parts of the bodies of their victims.
Alex is a complete asshole. Latinos think he’s a hostile racist, but they know they don’t want to be around someone like him. Why would they? Why would anyone? (Well, anti-Latino racists think Alex is clever and funny. They like any barb against the other.)
Alex's behavior in this story an exact analogue to leftists bringing up slavery all the time against America. It’s pure assholishness, trolling people, trying to start fights where peace has reigned for years, and just generally being hateful and negative.
Don’t be like that.
However - there is documentary evidence that slavery in one form or another persisted until WWII and in some parts of Louisiana, into the 1960s.
Is it leftist to recognise that this occurred? Certainly I would expect that someone who called this all propaganda bullshit would be a right-winger but that doesn't mean that those who accept it as a real and neglected part of American history are leftists.
Is it leftist to not recognize that slavery continues to exist in a lot of Muslim countries, with government connivance?
Why yes it is.
Is it also Democrat, and thus leftist, to fight fiercely for slavery, to subvert the end of slavery by Republicans into mandated segregation by Democrats, and to subvert that into mandated integration, by Democrats, and now into mandated wokism by Democrats?
Why yes it is.
What the Republican and Democratic parties were 150 or 60 years ago isn't what they are now. Ever heard of the Southern Strategy? And why do you think LBJ thought that the CRA would hand the south over to the GOP?
Reminds me of those statue questions.
Republicans: "Democrats were the ones who erected statues to slavers!"
Democrats: "And now we want to take them down."
Republicans: "No".
So you can go back to WW II (75 years) but no one else can go back 60 years? You can blame rightists for 75 years ago but no one can blame Democrats for 60 years ago?
You can talk about history. And you can also talk about the status quo.
Bringing it up as a curiosity of ancient history? No problem: lots of shit happened in the distant past. Bringing it up for some other reason: pure assholishness. WWII ended 75 years ago.
If you can find some 90+ year old who is guilty of whatever you’re talking about, then address it to him. The rest of us are innocent of whatever happened before WWII and we aren’t interested in being blamed for it by complete assholes.
Bringing it up as a curiosity of ancient history? No problem: lots of shit happened in the distant past. Bringing it up for some other reason: pure assholishness. WWII ended 75 years ago.
How about bringing it up because it's not a "curiosity," but rather an important part of American history? If you want to study American history at all, especially pre-Civil War, you're not going to get a very accurate picture if you ignore slavery.
If you can find some 90+ year old who is guilty of whatever you’re talking about, then address it to him. The rest of us are innocent of whatever happened before WWII and we aren’t interested in being blamed for it by complete assholes.
But you can be blamed, or criticized, for minimizing the whole thing, pretending slavery and segregation are curiosities of ancient history, and denying they have any impact on the country today.
That's not blaming you for slavery. It's blaming you for being ignorant.
You don't like to hear about slavery, Ben?
I ascribe that to your low character, conservatism, racism, and obsolescence.
None of which is anything replacement won't fix.
The Volokh Conspiracy: Official Legal Blog Of Our Vestigial Bens.
Slavery and associated race issues may be a bigger thing in modern America than human sacrifice to make the sun come up is for Mexico.
Hope this helps you clear up why your analogy is wrong!
It doesn’t. Mexicans and Central Americans of today are innocent of what the Mayans and Aztecs did. Americans of today are innocent of slavery. Bringing it up all the time to point fingers at the innocent is pure assholishness. Period.
No analogy is perfect. But assholish behavior directed at one group of innocents is clearly analogous to very similar assholish behavior directed at innocent Americans.
We should all stop humoring clearly assholish behavior against innocent people.
Better Americans generally don't criticize any current Americans for slavery . . . but they reject disregarding slavery (and its consequences, which continue to afflict America), and they don't like bigots, which aggravates many conservatives.
Americans of today are innocent of slavery.
Slavery has a legacy, though. It's not like it's a switch and you go from being dehumanized for generations and presto everything is hunky dory and all is well.
Accepting those excuses decade after decade, century after century does no one any good. And as time passes and no good results from those excuses, it becomes increasingly clear that no good is intended.
Excuse?
Slavery isn't an excuse for black folks, it's an obligation for everyone in America.
You think no good has come from the project to make America live up to it's promise? Ask a black person if they'd rather live today than 50 years ago, or even 30 years ago.
Saying we mustn't rest on our laurels doesn't mean we've made no progress at all.
No obligation, no. You can be obligated if you decide to be.
Innocent Americans aren’t saddled with some "obligation" because of actions of ancient historical figures. Nor do we have to "live up to" whatever you think was promised. We’re a free people. Free people are not subject to kings, nor rulers, nor some "obligation" you want to impose on everyone.
What should we make of the right to a jury trial in (felony) criminal cases? It is the right of every citizen, in such case, to have the facts adjudged by a jury of their peers. But, they may "give up" this right in any particular case. In our contemporary society, I believe more than 90% of defendants give-up this right. If the right is "inalienable," then how can it be given-up? Or, are people free to give up an inalienable right in a particular circumstance, while still possessing that right?
ok, boomer
Doesn't say a thing about forcing a ten year old rape victim to carry a child to term, does it? Oh the miracle of life...
It doesn't say anything about a child-rapist having the right to life, but yet the Supreme Court said making child-rape into a capital crime violates the 8th Amendment. Miracle of life indeed...
Why not execute the guilty and spare the innocent, instead of the other way around?
Because when you say "spare the innocent," you are actually endorsing forcing a ten year old rape victim carry a child to term. I'm not quite sure what this has to do with the Declaration of Independence, though.
We are obviously still on the fence about whether women are supposed to be included in all of these naturally arising, fundamental, inalienable rights. The whole idea of them not being owned & under the protection & control of their men being fairly new & not entirely accepted. Deeply rooted history & all. Are women included in the promises of the Declaration of Independence? The Supreme Court doesn't seem to think so. There is the history of slavery & its relation to our legal traditions & the abolition movement & laws that Prof. Barnett brought up. But then there is that other history of being black in America between the end of WW1 & the early 60s. When they were widely systematically disenfranchised & abused by the local & state governments. And lynching was a spectator sport. "Front row at a hanging" just being something people say according to the lady running for congress from Mississippi. I can't believe how much of that attitude about black people is still very much alive & well. America is a promise. That isn't being kept very well. I am not so much a liberal as someone who has always believed that "Liberty & Justice for All" means everybody. And so far, we aren't there yet.
As far as I know, the only woman's right supported by the British monarchy was the right of a female heir to inherit the throne.
Apart from that right, old George was no more a feminist than the revolutionaries.
Interestingly some of the largest opponents to suffrage and women's rights were women, who felt that the distaff duty was motherhood and maintaining the domestic domicile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-suffragism#:~:text=William%20Winslow%20Crannell%20from%20July,City%20and%20formed%20the%20NAOWS.
As for Good King George III, bottom line, he acted to promote the African slave trade when some colonies wanted to limit it. Though the Founding Fathers were too wussy to point this out, King George vetoed anti-slave-trade laws passed by colonial legislatures. Were the colonial legislatures acting purely from benevolent motives (as opposed to not wanting more black people)? No, their motives were mixed. But George wasn't some benevolent woke monarch, he was more of a slaver than the colonists. The British Empire had yet to do its 180 and turn from a slave power into an abolitionist power.
Somerset said slavery needed positive law to maintain it, but in (say) Jamaica there was plenty of positive law and the slaves were IIRC in no danger of being freed.
Ultimately, Southern leaders had to distance themselves from the Declaration to justify their peculiar institution.
This is from Alexander Stephen's Cornerstone Speech defending the Confederate Constitution in 1861:
"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the 'storm came and the wind blew.'
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago."
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech
Stephens was just following the science in preference to old ideas from an unenlightened era!
It's sad that so many commenters choose to focus on the human imperfections of our founders and founding, when most regular Americans are celebrating what our forebearers got right.
Why is that sad? I think it is healthy to have objective analysis instead of merely drinking the red white and blue koolaid. Many of those founding imperfections are just now getting their second wind.
Barnett:
According to the American Theory of Government, because these rights are inalienable, even after a government is formed, they provide a standard by which its performance is measured; in extreme cases, a government's systemic violation of these rights or failure to protect them can justify its alteration and abolition. In the words of the Declaration, "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends," that is the securing of these rights, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Look closely. Notice that the quote from the Declaration does not match Barnett's summary which preceded it. The Declaration does not refer to a power to make a new government which becomes active when some pre-existing standard fails to be met. Barnett is aware of a problem. He redoubles his summary, with his interspersed, "that is the securing of these rights." But to no avail. Barnett is attempting to impose a meaning the words do not support.
What the Declaration actually says in so many words is that the sovereign People have a right common to all sovereigns, which is to make a government at pleasure, without constraint by anyone else—including by the standards of Professor Barnett. When it says, ". . . laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness," what limitation of the sovereign People's power does the Declaration admit to? What limits their discretion? Nothing at all. Barnett wants it otherwise, but that is not what the Declaration says.
That wording from the Declaration is of course a summary of the standard view of sovereign power prevailing during the founding era. Which specifically included the notion that to actually be sovereign, power has to be exercised at pleasure and without constraint. Otherwise, the objection went, whatever could constrain the alleged sovereign would thereby prove itself a superior power, and by that reckoning overturn the alleged former sovereign and take power for itself.
The Declaration was an announcement to the world that Americans had invented a new style of sovereignty, but with powers as fundamental and unconstrained as that of any other sovereign on earth. In short, they announced, "Independence." That is what the Declaration was about, just as its title said.
Dear lord, so much idiocy in this commentariat, evincing neither reading comprehension nor an ounce of historical literacy.
Anyway, thanks Randy, for your useful analytical look at the Declaration, and its import, not only to our system of government, but to what makes us, despite our many differences, American.
"According to this view: (1) the rights of individuals do not originate with any government, but preexist its formation; (2) the protection of these rights is the first duty of government; "
The one right governments never defend is the right to abolish government, to overthrow, to revolt, insurrection. In fact, they forbid it, as did the English. I always thought that the capability to revolt is the same as the capability to withhold consent to be governed, and is essential to the right to bear arms.
But the might of the American government today is so vast, that violent revolution is absurd. But we have never invented a method of overthrow that does not require bloodshed. Not reform, but abolishment of government. If we want people to give up the capability to overthrow by violence, there must be a nonviolent way to do it. To me, that is part of the rationale for the 2nd amendment.
I would add a line on the ballot of every national election. "None of the above; abolish government." If that line ever received 50%+1 vote, the US government would instantly cease to exist. Just think how that possibility might moderate the attitude of government.
The one right governments never defend is the right to abolish government, to overthrow, to revolt, insurrection.
Your reasoning there is amiss on two counts:
1. No one should suppose government, which the notion of rights presumes as an adversary, will ever be there to defend any rights. Given that the courts are no less a part of government than the other branches, that goes for the courts too. The logically sensible principle is that some power greater than government's must exist to defend rights by constraining government. That principle can be vindicated by having an all-powerful sovereign which is continuously active, and which rules at pleasure, without constraint. In the American system that power comes from the joint power of the sovereign People.
2. Your objection to government on grounds it will not support insurrection is similarly mistaken. Government is the creature of the sovereign. Government's first and most important duty is to guard jealously the prerogatives of the sovereign. Thus, in a scheme of popular sovereignty, as exists in America, it is impossible for government legitimately to condone a right to insurrection. And it is even difficult to legitimize insurrection on the basis of government malfeasance. There is an inherent contradiction in the notion of a polity rising in insurrection against itself, to redress grievances which that polity, being jointly sovereign, already has total power to redress without insurrection. So under the American system, when you argue a power of insurrection, what you actually propose is not an attack on government, but a contest for sovereignty against the People, whom you intend to overthrow.
it is even difficult to legitimize insurrection on the basis of government malfeasance. There is an inherent contradiction in the notion of a polity rising in insurrection against itself, to redress grievances which that polity, being jointly sovereign, already has total power to redress without insurrection. So under the American system, when you argue a power of insurrection, what you actually propose is not an attack on government, but a contest for sovereignty against the People, whom you intend to overthrow.
This makes no sense to me.
Isn't the pro-insurrection argument that the "government" no longer respects the people's theoretical sovereignty - that the power has been usurped? The insurrection would be against the usurper.
If Richard is the rightful sovereign, and Henry usurps the throne, an insurrection against Henry is not an insurrection against Richard, yet that seems to be what you are arguing.
I think that Stephen is attempting to articulate something that I have been mulling over for a while now. Basically, since the whole of the people are sovereign, as long as the government is faithfully representing the will of the people, then an insurrection would be an insurrection against the sovereignty of the people. I don't think he is saying that it would be illegitimate for an insurrection to occur against a government that only pretends to be representing the people. Of course, that means that you need some way of knowing when the government is or is not truly representing the will of the people.
That is where democracy comes in. In the broad sense, democracy is the citizenry voting on matters of government. A full consensus or unanimity would likely be impossible to achieve among any substantial number of people.* Thus, whether voting for who will be in government positions or voting directly on proposed laws or actions, it is expected that the majority best represents what the people want.** The best way to protect against the "tyranny of the majority" is make sure that the power of government isn't concentrated in a single person or elected body. The Constitution does a decent job of separating powers and providing each separate branch with checks on the powers of other branches, and federalism also spreads power around. Now, that will reduce the ability of the government to respond quickly and efficiently to problems, so having separation of powers and federalism comes with trade offs.
In the balance of things, it is protecting democracy itself that is most important to protecting our individual rights. It should be difficult to build and maintain a governing majority. If voters demand that the government protects our ability to choose the government, then "voting the bums out" when they aren't representing the will of the people is how government is changed. Violent insurrection simply becomes unnecessary.
*I don't recall the way it was phrased when I first read it, but I am thinking of a saying that goes something like, "Put any 2 people into a room, and the room will contain at least 3 different opinions on the same topic."
**A supermajority can also be required for some things to make the "tyranny of the majority" even less likely. The Constitution does fairly well with this: treaties, removing previously elected officials or those appointed with majority approval from the Senate, and changing the structure of government itself.
Actually under a Natural Law founding , first comes DUTIES then come the riights implied by those duties. So you have a conscience duty towards the Creator, hence follows Freedom of Religion.,
You can look it up or you take this guy’s word for whatever. This point of view was that of most Founders.
You can't have your Locke and not eat it too 🙂
"f John Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration, wrote, “All men should enjoy the fullest toleration in the exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience.”"
Oh my heavens, THE FULLEST !!