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No Religious Freedom Right to Beat and Strangle Your Kids
From today's opinion in Blattert v. State, decided by the Indiana Court of Appeals (Judge Derek Molter, joined by Judges Patricia Riley & Margret Robb):
The State of Indiana charged Scott A. Blattert, Jr. with aggravated battery (Level 3 felony), strangulation (Level 6 felony), five counts of domestic battery resulting in bodily injury to a person less than fourteen years of age (Level 5 felony), and three counts of domestic battery resulting in moderate bodily injury (Level 6 felony). The charges were based on the allegation that Blattert repeatedly punished his children by beating and strangling them. He claims a defense under Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act ("RFRA"), which provides a defense to criminal prosecutions that substantially burden religious exercise unless the State shows the prosecutions are the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling governmental interest….
Blattert contends he satisfied his prima facie burden [under RFRA] by testifying he belongs to the Ellettsville Church of Christ; that his church relies on biblical teachings for religious instruction on how to live one's life; that he must follow God's commands as conveyed through the Bible; and that those commands include physically punishing his children as he sees fit. He argues the conduct the State alleges—punching his children in the face, striking their heads with his elbow, and choking them—all falls within the authority God commands him to exercise, and by prosecuting him the State is burdening his sincerely held religious beliefs. Because we can decide this case on other grounds, we assume, without deciding, that Blattert's testimony satisfies his prima facie burden to establish the State is substantially burdening his religious exercise….
The burden then shifts to the State to show this prosecution is the least restrictive means to further a compelling interest. Blattert contends these are questions for the jury to decide, but he is mistaken. Whether the State's interest is sufficiently compelling and whether the State has chosen the least restrictive means to further that interest are purely legal issues for the court to decide.…
The State satisfied its burden to show that its prosecution furthers a compelling governmental interest. Compelling governmental interests are "only those interests of the highest order," and Indiana's courts routinely recognize that protecting the welfare of children is one of them. While a parent has a fundamental interest in directing "the upbringing and education of children," which may include "the use of reasonable or moderate physical force to control behavior," the State also has a "powerful interest in preventing and deterring the mistreatment of children." …
Blattert … argues that the "parental privilege" is an exception to the statutes he is charged with violating, and exceptions to a statute "undermine an argument that there is a compelling interest." This argument fails because the parental privilege does not offer any exceptions related to the interests the State seeks to advance through this prosecution….
"A parent is privileged to apply such reasonable force or to impose such reasonable confinement upon his or her child as he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for its proper control, training, or education." … [T]he parental privilege is an exception to a criminal prohibition on some corporal punishment which might otherwise be prohibited even though it is reasonable. But the compelling governmental interest the State seeks to advance here is protecting children from … unreasonable corporal punishment, and the parental privilege does not offer any exception to that restriction. Rather than providing an exception undermining the notion that Blattert's prosecution advances a compelling interest, the parental privilege operates to ensure the State has chosen the least restrictive means to advance its interest, which leads to the next element of the State's burden.
The least-restrictive-means standard invokes a "comparative analysis." We must take the State's preferred means—imposing criminal penalties on those who use unreasonable physical force when disciplining their children—and then we must "lay such preferred means side by side with other potential options." Because it is the State's burden to satisfy this test, it "must address those alternatives of which it has become aware during the course of th[e] litigation.
Therefore, the State's "burden is two-fold: it must support its choice of regulation, and it must refute the alternative schemes offered by the challenger." "If a less restrictive means is available for the [g]overnment to achieve its goals, [it] must use it."
The State has satisfied this part of its burden because it offers the parental privilege as a defense to battery and similar crimes rather than completely banning the practice of corporal punishments. This accommodates religious practices which require reasonable corporal punishment. While it does not accommodate religious practices requiring unreasonable corporal punishment, there is no apparent accommodation of those practices which would still allow the State to achieve its compelling interest in protecting children from physical abuse.
Tellingly, Blattert does not proffer an alternative scheme which is less restrictive than the State's proposed means. While it is the State's burden to show it has chosen the least restrictive means, it need not refute the "universe of all possible alternatives." "It would be a herculean burden to require [the State] to refute every conceivable option in order to satisfy the least restrictive means prong of RFRA." Without an immediately apparent less restrictive means, and without identifying any less restrictive means, Blattert cannot carry his burden as the appellant to persuade us that the trial court erred….
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If he really hates his kids that much he should harm them the approved way by stringing them out on sex change drugs.
There is something missing from this decision, a fact. What injury was sustained by these children? Did it require medical attention? That is the line that marks off child abuse from authorized corporal punishment.
Citation: Ann. Code § 31-34-1-2
A child is a ‘child in need of services’ if, before the child becomes age 18, the child’s physical or mental health is seriously endangered due to injury by the act or omission of the child’s parent, guardian, or custodian.
The word, reasonable, violates the Establishment Clause. It has a technical meaning in the Scholasticism origin of the common law. Intellect is misled by the deadly sins and by the Fall from Eden. It is not a reliable guide to moral decision making. Reason is the ability to perceive God. The best guide to Reason is the New Testament, so argues St. Thomas. The New Testament is the story of one man, Jesus. Basically, reasonable, means what Jesus would do. The idiot lawyer does not see the irony in this high school review from 10th Grade World History. Eugene is not an idiot. He is a denier. That violation voids the Indiana law. No lawyer has ever argued it. Why? 1L erases all memory of high school education unless one is old when entering law school, and one is not desperate for a job in this shit occupation.
In this context, the word, reasonable, allows 2 vile feminists and a vile male feminist running dog to attack the American family. It means, the feelings, moods, and which side of the bed these skunks woke up on. They have the men with guns. These little tyrants can destroy a family and the authority of a parent.
The name, Indiana, itself is a highly offensive, white supremacist, Christian misrepresentation and insulting epithet to the Native American population. It needs to be changed to Potawatomiana. Those were the high civilization that build the Mounds that were bigger than the Pyramids of Giza. I demand Indiana change it racist, white colonialist misnaming and insulting epithet to Potawatomiana.
What grade do you think that analysis would get from the denier, Eugene, in his First Amendment Course? He gets an F as a denier, and as a ditz who forgot all of high school.
Hey vile lawyer skanks. Go after this religious father. But protect, privilege, and empower this cop killer to kill a cop. 100% the fault of this vile toxic occupation.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/15/california-cop-killer-justin-flores-received-slap-on-wrist-after-weapons-arrest/?lctg=607d90f2373dd11b6ec10b87
Why was the cop ambusher and killer kept alive after age 14? He generated worthless make work jobs for the toxic lawyer profession and for their agents in the failed criminal justice system. The victim generates nothing and may rot, you vile skanks.
For the past 5000 years, it has been known. Tattoos are an advertising of criminality. He should not have been streeted by the vile, toxic lawyer profession. he should have been dead years ago. If you water board him, he will tell you the total number of his murder victims, you vile skanks.
5000 years? Farming has been around for at least 10,000 years, and seconds after that, thugs picked up clubs and walked down to the farmer trade crossroads and demanded farmers "pay their fair share." Seconds after farming was invented.
Actually, I tell a lie. Thugs walking up and demanding you pay your fair share was undoubtedly applied by the grasshopper to the industrious hunting-and-gathering ants.
Politicians thus predated farming, trading, and any village larger than two huts.
Thugs walking up and demanding you pay your fair share was undoubtedly applied by the grasshopper to the industrious hunting-and-gathering ants.
Unlikely. Grasshoppers are ancient herbivorous insects, ants are much more modern (evolved from wasps - ie tough guys) and some species are quite happy to chew on grasshopper. Any demands with menaces are much more likely to be going in the ant => grasshopper direction.
Meanwhile ants, living in large colonies, really are one of nature's best approaches to "fair share" socialism. They are essentially slave societies, with the workers controlled by chemical signals. I bet the Soviets wish they'd thought of that. And I bet the CCP has thought of that, and is working on it.
Or move to an autonomous zone, where state laws don’t apply.
Choose reason. Every time.
Choose reason. Especially over sacred ignorance, dogmatic intolerance, belligerent ignorance, or childish superstition.
Choose reason. Every time. Most especially if you are older than 12 or so. By then, childhood indoctrination fades as an excuse for bigotry, backwardness, ignorance, gullibility, and superstition. By adulthood -- this includes ostensible adulthood -- it is no excuse, not even in the most desolate backwater one might find.
Choose reason. Every time. And education, modernity, science, tolerance, progress, freedom, and inclusiveness. Reject ignorance, superstition, bigotry, backwardness, dogma, insularity, authoritarianism, and pining for "good old days" that never existed. Not 75 years ago. Not 175 years ago. Not 2,000 years ago. Not ever, except in silly fairy tales embraced by children of all age.
Choose reason. Every time. Be an adult.
Or, at least, please try.
Otherwise, you could wind up as deplorable as Scott A. Blattert, Jr., the Ellettsville Church of Christ, and Springville, Lawrence County, Indiana.
Thank you.
Your argument would be valid if the defendant’s church professes that his form of corporal punishment falls within the doctrine of the religion. I think we both know this was nothing more than a weak argument to escape the consequences of his actions rather than a claim to some religious doctrine.
It is not a church's doctrine or beliefs that is at issue under a RFRA scheme; it is the individual believer's sincerely held religious belief.
It's always fun when the strawmen come out to play.
What strawman?
By "strawman," he means you have completely demolished his argument.
No, but if you're going to criticize a church for the specifics of its beliefs, it seems like what those beliefs actually are is a relevant question.
A church does not have an RFRA claim to assert; an individual church member does. For example, how many Catholics raised religious freedom objections to COVID vaccines despite Pope Francis' endorsement of vaccinations?
That's fine, but a sincere belief you get to beat your kids severely doesn't give you the right to violate their rights.
"Your rights end where my nose begins."
I won't pretend this forbids all corporal punishment of one's own kids.
Hi, Rev. Cool comment, Bruh. Show me the evidence in it you ever attended law school, let alone a Top Tier law school. What was your law school again?
"Choose reason. Every time. Most especially if you are older than 12 or so. By then, childhood indoctrination fades as an excuse for bigotry, backwardness, ignorance, gullibility, and superstition. By adulthood -- this includes ostensible adulthood -- it is no excuse, not even in the most desolate backwater one might find."
This case may be closer to the caricature you tend to paint most conservatives with in general, but your rhetoric still has a couple problems: 1) even when you have a point, actually *arguing* it would be more persuasive than just listing conclusory terms; and 2) it's pretty unfair to think that most people could see beyond how they're raised by age 12 (i.e., perhaps they should at least be old enough to make other adult decisions...).
Please propose an age at which one should be able to overcome childhood indoctrination and childish gullibility in this context. I would welcome a persuasive proposal. Perhaps 12 is too young.
Do you agree that by adulthood childish gullibility and indoctrination are no longer reasonable justifications for superstition?
Sounds like unconstitutional sex discrimination.
A few years earlier, and the mother could have killed them.
Bad move on the defense to not cite that the kids were in their 30th trimester.
Glad not all state courts are full of idiots.
I surmise that the accused is not precluded from arguing that his use of corporal punishment was in fact reasonable. That would remain a question of fact for the jury.
Does this apply to [supposed] religious support for abortion? As in this particular lawsuit: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/flashes/579487
Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1878), held in substance that the First Amendment does not require a religious belief exception to the territorial statute prohibiting bigamy. I wonder what evidentiary showing would be required under a state RFRA scheme to defeat such a claim today.
What about religious beliefs of littleamy?
"He claims a defense under Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act"
He's got a not very good lawyer, but one that's got chutzpa.
I’m not sure the lawyer was so bad here.
Defense lawyers regularly raise questionable, long-shot defenses for clients who are otherwise open and shut guilty. And every now and then a long shot comes in.
The argument isn’t frivolous. So the defendant doesn’t really lose anything by raising it. And while a really lomg shot, it just might win. I don’t see raising it as evidence the lawyer is incompetent.
The strained reasoning of the opinion shows it wasn't frivolous. The comment upthread about whether his actions were reasonable being a matter for a jury to decide is, imo, basically correct. The court made the factual determination his actions were unreasonable in order to support their conclusion the RFRA doesn't put them out of the reach of state regulation.
In short, this decision is a good example why RFRA laws are bad policy and Employment Division v. Smith is a better way of dealing with religious exercise.
Shorter version of dad's defense: "If it's legal in pro wrestling, then I'm allowed to do it to my kids." (If he'd been acquitted, next would have been smashing the kids in the head with a folded-up metal chair, presumably.)
I hope this gentleman is treated by the prison general population as respectfully as most child abusers are treated behind bars.
Sannie. You support the replacement of the family by big government, a wholly owned subsidiary of the vile lawyer profession. Why? The family is 100 times more effective at persuading people to be nice as government. You have to get rid of it.
It occurred to me that there’s a vagueness argument to be made here.
Reasonable is not vague. It specifically means the feelings, moods, whims, and which side of bed they woke up, and whether they had a sandwich or were hangry of the vile feminist anti-family scumbags on the bench.
The one thing about Behar that is completely believable is that he doesn't understand the concept of reasonableness.
What is vague about it? Juries are routinely tasked with determining what is or is not reasonable.
"I'd like to see how/where the state of Indiana draws the line between reasonable and unreasonable corporal punishment."
That is why we empanel juries in criminal cases.
Yes, but the state has to have some kind of standard on which they decide which cases to prosecute.
Whenever I encounter religious bullshit like this abuser was arguing for, I am reminded of Gen. Sir Charles Napier's response to a Hindu priest's defending the custom of suttee.
“Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs”
If I were the Hindu priest, I would have replied. No problemo Sahib. You will be taking her with you then.
This is the basic abortion debate.
Right of the parent vs the right of the child to be safe
No, it's not.
This is you short-circuiting the main issue in the abortion debate.
I’m proud of my country for many things, but ashamed that its laws require good people to spend time resolving questions such as this - ultimately because too many of its adult citizens, in at least one important respect, have never fully grown up.
I doubt most members of the Ellettsville Church of Christ beat and strangle their kids. This is using religion as an excuse to be a vile human being. If you’re the kind of person who beats your kids, it’s not much of a psychological leap to convince yourself God wants you to beat your kids.
It does not help that many people put great credence in ancient texts prescribing just that (and much worse).
I will say it again: 196 countries in the world have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989). 1 country has not: the United States.
Why not? Because in the US parents own their children, to do with as they please. And in the Convention it is made clear that
Since this upsets American conservatives, the US has signed but not ratified.
Is that the entire treaty?
Seems like a bit silly to sign it, then, considering that the existing state of law in the US is pretty close to that.
Or maybe there is more to the treaty that that?
Of course, if the US did ratify it, US schools would be screwed because of Article 2.
I wonder if Mr. Blattert realized he was rather close to advocating for parts of Sharia law to be recognized, quite possibly a lot of it.
"Why then the case is altered".
I suspect that none too many of these Christian "keep your gubmint hands off uv muh belief" types think that religious freedom extends to other religions, what with the US being a Christian nation 'n all, and God/Jaysus handing down the Constitution from Capitol Hill.
He should have shot the kids and claimed he was exercising his Second Amendment rights -- in light of the GOP's approach to firearms, he likely would have gotten off.
Should have cut off the kids balls and called it medical care like a good leftist NPC.
Or shot them in the head and call it a late term abortion.
The root of the problem is Blattert believing the Bible is God's word. There is no reason that aligns with our innate God-given reason to believe the Christian Bible is the word of God, or that the Hebrew Bible is the word of God, or that the Quran is the word of God or that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. All of these man-made "holy" books promote violence and cruelty, not to mention profound foolishness. As the Deist Thomas Paine pointed out in The Age of Reason, The Complete Edition, "Belief in a cruel god make a cruel man."
It's interesting to note that the world famous Christian evangelist Billy Graham admitted there is no rational reason to believe the Bible is the word of God ( https://www.deism.com/post/billy-graham-helped-deism ).
Okay but that is a natural law objection more basic than religion. It is that great agreement of secular and religous in Western Thought, the LOGOS
You do not beat your kids. Don't complicate it. The very idea infuriates the great mass of parents
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