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Eighth Circuit Rules Eviction Moratoria are Likely to be Takings Requiring Compensation Under the Fifth Amendment
The court based its decision on the US Supreme Court's 2021 decision in Cedar Point Nursery v. Hassid.
On April 5, in Heights Apartments v. Walz, a unanimous panel of the US Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit ruled that a Minnesota state eviction moratorium (enacted for the purpose of mitigating the Covid pandemic) likely qualifies as a taking of private property requiring compensation under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. They based their ruling in large part on the Supreme Court's June 2021 decision in Cedar Point Nursery v. Hassid, which held that temporary physical occupations of property qualify as "per se" takings, that automatically require compensation. Before Cedar Point, conventional wisdom assumed that most temporary physical occupations are subject to the complicated Penn Central balancing test, under which the government usually prevails.
Here is the key passage from the Eighth Circuit ruling:
Heights alleges the EOs effectuated physical takings because they forced landlords to accept the physical occupation of their property regardless of whether tenants provided compensation. The Walz Defendants contend that no physical taking has occurred because landlords were not deprived of their right to evict a tenant. Rather, they argue, the [governors executive orders] imposed only a restriction on when a landowner could evict a tenant, making it similar to Yee v. City of Escondido, 503 U.S. 519 (1992) (finding a rent control ordinance was not a physical taking). Since the parties briefed this issue, the Supreme Court decided Cedar Point Nursery, which is instructive in this case.
In Cedar Point Nursery, the Supreme Court determined a California regulation
requiring agricultural employers to permit "union organizers onto their property for
up to three hours per day, 120 days per year" was a per se physical taking under the
Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments….. The Court explained:"Whenever a regulation results in a physical appropriation of property, a per se
taking has occurred." Id. at 2072. It is immaterial whether the physical invasion is
"permanent or temporary," "intermittent as opposed to continuous," or whether the
government is directly invading the land or allowing a third party to do so.…Cedar Point Nursery controls here and Yee, which the Walz Defendants rely
on, is distinguishable. The rent controls in Yee limited the amount of rent that could
be charged and neither deprived landlords of their right to evict nor compelled
landlords to continue leasing the property past the leases' termination. 503 U.S. at
527–28. The landlords in Yee sought to exclude future or incoming tenants rather
than existing tenants. Id. at 530–31. Here, the EOs forbade the nonrenewal and
termination of ongoing leases, even after they had been materially violated, unless
the tenants seriously endangered the safety of others or damaged property
significantly….According to Heights' complaint, the EOs "turned every lease in Minnesota into an indefinite lease, terminable only at the option of the tenant." Heights has sufficiently alleged that the Walz Defendants deprived Heights of its right to exclude existing tenants without compensation. The well-pleaded allegations are sufficient to give rise to a plausible per se physical takings claim under Cedar Point Nursery.
I think the Eighth Circuit is right about this. The reasoning of Cedar Point readily applies to eviction moratoria. I reached much the same conclusion myself, in a July 2021 post analyzing a takings claim filed against the now-defunct federal eviction moratorium enacted by the Centers for the Disease Control, and later invalidated by the Supreme Court on grounds unrelated to takings. The takings case against the federal eviction moratorium continues, as affected landlords are (if they prevail) still entitled to compensation for the time during which the moratorium was in effect.
Technically, the Eighth Circuit ruling isn't a final decision on the merits. It merely reverses the trial court's decision to dismiss the case, and remands for "further proceedings." However, the appellate panel made clear they think the per se physical takings claim is likely to prevail.
The Eighth Circuit also reversed the trial court's dismissal of the plaintiffs' claims that the eviction moratorium violated the Contracts Clause of the Constitution, and that the moratorium might qualify as a taking even under the Penn Central test. By contrast, they upheld the dismissal of a claim under the Petition Clause of the First Amendment.
I will leave the Contracts Clause and First Amendment issues to experts in the relevant fields. As for the Penn Central claim, I am skeptical that it can ultimately succeed (though the test is admittedly murky). The Eighth Circuit is also more equivocal about that issue than the per se taking argument. They merely concluded that it is plausible enough to survive a motion to dismiss. But the Penn Central argument won't matter if the courts ultimately conclude that the eviction moratorium was a per se taking under Cedar Point.
The Eighth Circuit ruling does not address the argument that an eviction moratorium intended to mitigate the spread of Covid might fall under the "police power" exception to takings liability. This issue might well come up as the case continues. I am skeptical that courts either will or should push the police power exception so far. But the boundaries of that exception are admittedly murky.
The three judges on the Eighth Circuit panel (Erikson, Gruender, and Stras) are all Republican appointees. It is possible that more liberal judges would have adopted a narrower interpretation of Cedar Point, that would exclude eviction moratoria. But I think it would be difficult to do that in a way that is coherent. An eviction moratorium is pretty obviously a temporary occupation of property, as it requires the owner to accept the presence of a tenant whom he or she would otherwise have the right to remove. It thereby goes against the owner's right to exclude, which was the central right at issue in Cedar Point. As Chief Justice John Roberts emphasized in his opinion for the Court, "[t]he right to exclude is 'universally held to be a fundamental element of the property right.'"
I would add, also, that Cedar Point's logic can be used to challenge conservative laws and regulations no less than left-leaning ones, like eviction moratoria. A good example of the former are state laws requiring property owners to allow guns on their land, even if they would prefer to bar them. Thus, liberal judges might have reason to doubt the desirability of adopting a very narrow interpretation of Cedar Point.
Even if property owners ultimately prevail in this case, and other takings claims against eviction moratoria, it remains to be seen how much compensation they would get. Calculating it may not be easy, and there is likely to be considerable case-by-case variation. Nonetheless, these are important cases to follow. They could well set significant precedents constraining future eviction moratoria, and other similar regulations.
NOTE: The property owners in the Cedar Point case were represented by the Pacific Legal Foundation. My wife Alison Somin works for PLF. But she has no involvement in this particular case.
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Of course. All regulation conservatives don't like is a taking.
What else would you call it?
The Feds can pay the rent on the tenant's behalf. Problem solved.
They can just print money, right?
Printing money isn’t a taking.
Sure it is, if it makes everyone else's money worth less.
Of course, from an economic perspective, you are correct.
No.
Suppose "printing money" makes everyone else's money worth a bit less, but increases overall real wealth.
What is this "real wealth"?
What is this "real wealth"?
Buildings, capital equipment, furniture, cars, TV sets, etc.
How will you get more of any of those, if "everyone else's money worth a bit less"?
By stimulating the economy to make it more productive.
Another way to think about it is that it's fine if a dollar is worth 2% less than it was if you have, say, 3% more dollars. Your purchasing power has increased.
One more thing.
I don't know if this is your intention, but if your plan is to say, "This is Keynesianism, which is nonsense," then please don't.
"This isn't even Keynesianism, which is nonsense."
This is mainlining crystal meth at the end of a binge, and pretending that it's the same as having a cup of coffee in the morning.
Keynes suggested running deficits when things were slow, and running surpluses when things were doing well. When was the last time we tried the other half of his formula? Here's a clue: Most people weren't even born yet.
The problem with Keynes' idea, which to be fair he might not have anticipated, is that for political reasons only half the formula would ever be followed, and his advice would become just an excuse for running perpetual deficits.
Brett,
I was responding to zztop's question in general, without reference to recent events.
When was the last time we tried the other half of his formula? Here's a clue: Most people weren't even born yet.
We came close under Clinton, GOP prognostications of doom notwithstanding.
The Federal debt went up every single year under Clinton - and every year under every other President since Eisenhower (1957), too. It's easy to claim you have a budget surplus when you knowingly don't include billions (hundreds of billions!) in the budget.
This is not an attack on Clinton - all of DC pulls the same tricks, regardless of party.
Evidently, economics wasn't your forte. 40% of all money (dollars) in circulation was printed in the last 15 months. Printing money is the worse thing you could do.
That's not the definition of "a taking", though. Words do have meanings.
Give it time.
The State of Minnesota wasn't issued it's own money printing press, they have to ask the Feds to print them up a batch.
But it will require an appropriation, which could be a problem, although I suppose the Fed could just buy Minnesota's bonds, although I don't think they can just burn them after they buy them.
There's going to be a few tight sphincters over this one. I don't think the next stimulus is coming soon, but if it doesn't come by November it's probably not coming.
We're only a week or less away from a whole bunch of people realizing that those advance child tax credit payments they took, (The ones you had to jump through flaming hoops to avoid getting.) were not extra money, but instead an advance on their tax refund, and discovering to their horror that they owe a lot more than they expected.
I believe this was a bomb the Biden administration planted in an effort to make it politically impossible for Republicans to not agree to one last stimulus payment right before the elections.
The federal government should be required to pay landlords in gold.
Since holyweird won't do it I love it when progs voluntarily show they have just as much contempt for their lessers as any mustache twirling capitalist.
All regulations, whether or not conservatives like them, are takings for public use.
It's just that you leftists think that taking from those you don't like is a moral good
That doesn't stop conservatives from regulating naughty words on the airwaves, or commercial abortion providers, or Twitter. So I'm going to go ahead and back my original interpretation of the takings clause.
Not a fan of the policy, but wouldn't the idea that it's a moratorium and that all rents are (in theory) going to be eventually paid a difference here?
The fifth amendment requires compensation in practice, not just in theory.
Delaying a contractually agreed upon payment isn't the same as 'taking' it, is it?
That’s not what the eviction moratorium did.
Queen - in the real world, collectibility of residential rent past due more than a couple of months is close to zero - so yes the reality is the eviction mortatorium is a taking.
If they allowed landlords to pursue back rents the way the government pursues child support or taxes, then maybe he'd have a point. But they don't, so he doesn't.
"No State shall... pass any... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts,"
Isn't timely payment an obligation, as well as the amount?
That's one of those unenforced clauses.
Hi, Queenie. Sweetie, are credit ratings racist? Why on earth would any landlord rent to anyone who does not have a high credit score?
Sweetie. Of course the unpaid rent of diverse deadbeats has to get passed onto future diverse tenants. If the landlord goes out of business, then affordable housing gets harder to find. Either way, diverses suffer most from this lawyer quack regulation.
Forcing people to stay indoors, and not get evicted into the open air of the street increased the transmission of Covid. The places with the tightest lockdowns had the highest rates of infection and of deaths from Covid, like Democrat, lawyer run New York City. Add that to the list of lawyer toxicity, mass biological weapons deaths of diverses in NYC.
In theory indeed. Here's a recent article about how tenants used the moratorium to game the system (surprising to precisely no one who has actually been a landlord for any length of time): https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/8/evictions-rise-lawsuits-nonpaying-tenants-still-ve/
I would think that the possibility of eventual payment would speak to damages, not to whether a Taking occurred. If the landlord eventually collects the rent (including interest), then he has suffered no constitutional damages.
A step in the right direction of reclaiming our 5th amendment rights.
Why is 'police power' so murky? Wasn't that the rationale cited in enacting the eviction bans in the first place?
What exactly is the limit of a state's police power? The pandemic really taught us a lot. I'm curious how far the lawyers and law professors think the police power extends.
This is about a federal order, no police power involved, right?
How does the federal government enforce such an order? Force.
Please tell me you’re not an attorney.
No. This is about a Minnesota order.
As a matter of federal constitutional law, the states can do anything except the stuff that the constitution says they can't.
Since this case doesn't involve states doing anything, I'm not totally sure why you're bringing it up.
Um, this case involves a state enacting an eviction moratorium.
Which they presumptively have the power to do.
That's Noscitur's point - the police power seems amorphous because it's literally anything except as the Constitution disallows.
That's why this is a takings case, and not a state ultra vires case or some such.
As usual, leftists believe the Ninth Amendment is a nullity.
Wait, who believe the 9th is a nullity?
I know the contracts clause has been written out of the constitution, but has it been officially written out?
It might get written in again with a few more cases like this one.
Appreciate Sarcastr0 coming to my assistance, but I read too quickly and thought this was dealing with the federal moratorium. Feel free to dunk on my last sentence.
I don't want to dunk on your last sentence.
But I would like to know from you and Sarcastr0 just how far you personally think police power should extend. I am interested in what you think. The police power is amorphous and seemingly ubiquitous; but is it, really?
Yes, states' police power is amorphous and seemingly ubiquitous except when it isn't. Sarcastr0 asserts that the police power covers "literally anything except as the Constitution disallows", but he also believes that the Constitution's emanations and penumbras protect medical and sexual privacy.
I spent a good part of my career as a lawyer in the District of Columbia fighting against rent control. Although we argued it was invalid as a "taking", we really didn't have any precedent to support the arguments: Holmes's Pennsylvania Coal v. Mahon (if regulation goes "too far, it will be recognized as a taking") was useless -- what's too far? Don't see anything like that here.
I'm long retired now and no longer living in DC, but when the eviction moratoria started being imposed, I wondered whether now, finally, the advocates for rent control and other deprivations of property rights had gone too far. This decision gives me hope.
Do you think 'you can't charge more than X for occupation of your property' is less than 'you can't collect the agreed upon amount for occupation of your property until after Y is over?'
OK, Queenie -- you're the landlord. Y is now over. You ask for the 20+ months of back rent tenant didn't pay. Tenant says get stuffed (or just takes off somewhere else). Your move.
Queen is disconnected from economic reality.
He is a liberal, after all.
Only "liberal" in the sense of liberally assuming government has lots of powers.
In the meantime, the beleaguered property owners spend their time agitating against building enough housing in order to drive up rents and their own property values.
Using the local government in this way to extract rents from society isn’t considered a taking. But requiring that human life be respected during a pandemic is?
The logic here is lacking, if you ask me. The biggest taking of all is using the government to enrich yourself at the expense of society more generally. Yet, our legal doctrines do not recognize this.
Where shall we go next? Is any YIMBY policy that prevents existing property from fetching the highest rents because enough is built for all also a taking?
It's not a taking for government to leave the existing zoning of real property in place. There is no general right to build whatever one wishes that is being taken from the property owner.
Right. The extraction of value from a society in exchange for nothing is not a taking.
That is what I said.
I was pointing out that this is a bug rather than a feature. The government can be used to extract value out of society on BEHALF of property owners without paying compensation to anybody. But the second the property owners have to sacrifice for a natural disaster, they come running talking about how they are beleaguered class of snowflakes.
"On April 5, in Heights Apartments v. Walz, a unanimous panel of the US Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit ruled that a Minnesota state eviction moratorium (enacted for the purpose of mitigating the Covid pandemic) likely qualifies as a taking of private property requiring compensation under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment."
DUH!
What is surprising is that someone would think otherwise
Indeed. The district court dismissed the case. I haven't read the opinion, but it must contain some impressive legal gymnastics...
Because the state has somehow become the owner of this property because of the moratorium? Or because ownership has otherwise been transferred? Whatever happened to originalism anyway?
This is where libertarian people like Somin lose me. The man is completely impractical.
This is illustrated by his advocacy for unlimited immigration which, if allowed, would be the end of the country because of the practical problem of assimilating everyone into our culture.
The problem with compensating landlords during a pandemic is simply that the government could not afford to do so. So, you would have people unnecessarily dying.
Last time I checked, liberty doesn’t matter much if you are dead. The freedom of the graveyard isn’t that meaningful. It is easy for Somin to ignore this outcome when he could be rather certain that he would never pay this practical price for impractical policy preferences disguised as constitutional rights.
With Somin, little things like human life or the existence of the country are kind of secondary considerations.
If you ask me, this extremism is really the mirror image of Communism. The belief that ideology is more important than outcomes. The purity of your utopia is more important than actual human flourishing in an imperfect world.
I think there is something to be said for just doing our best in an imperfect but beautiful world rather than dreaming of a utopia that cannot ever exist. In a way, the seekers of utopia fail in one critical respect. Namely, to appreciate what we have and how great it is.
Maybe, a little bit of conservatism in terms of preserving what we have is in order instead of constantly agitating for utopia.
If the alternative is people dying unnecessarily, why can't the government find the money to compensate the landlords?
There has to be some accountability for stupid decisions.
Shall the government print the money to pay the landlords?
It could. Or it could raise taxes, or it could issue bonds. Better yet, it should get out of the rent control business.
All questions for the political process.
You know what another question for the political process is?
Whether to help landlords or restaurants whose compliance with safety regulations during the middle of a pandemic decreases their revenue.
Between the unemployment insurance and the money that was spent, yes the government had the money to compensate the landlords. So did the tenants for that matter. I know more a few people who got more on unemployment than they did at their job. The moratorium was never necessary.
And it is definitely the job of courts to decide what is necessary in this pandemic. It is not like the courts are creating law that will determine what policy options exist in a future pandemic or anything.
All pandemics will be the same. And judges are definitely in the best situation to decide how to respond to them.
It is especially not the judiciary's job to decide what is "necessary" in response to something like a pandemic. That is the job of the other two branches of government. Courts are supposed to resolve legal disputes, such as "did party X commit a judicially redressable wrong against party Y?".
This is precisely why the judiciary should not be identifying special snowflakes entitled to benefits that other businesses are not.
There is nothing special about landlords versus restaurant owners. Both are business people and neither should be subsidized or penalized by the judiciary.
The judges are just saying that if the government wishes this policy option in the future, they have to pay for it.
Takings clause means the government cannot commandeer property without paying for it.
Except that government can impose costs on others without paying for it.
This singles out a single group of snowflakes for special treatment.
The entire point of the Takings Clause is that sometimes it is good policy to "take" property but when it is the price should be born by everyone, not the few. That is why the governemnt can take any property it wants for public use but must pay for it. There is no exception for the government to say "but we don't want to"
The notion that they can't afford it is absurd even ignoring the ability to print money. And I have to imagine most people for the moratorium are for all these programs that democrats want to set up that would cost 10s of trillions of dollars. So "affordability" is not a winning argument.
So, why shouldn’t this argument apply to all rules and regulations that impact the value of property then?
Should the government be required to adopt the set of rules that will maximize the returns on property ownership?
Affordability is the argument that the GOP uses against universal healthcare and expanded education and countless other social programs. But now that the special interest is property owners (an interest very well represented in the legislature… very few people end up in elected office unless they are affluent), money is no objection.
Maybe, just maybe, displacing renters on behalf of landlords during a deadly pandemic should not be the first priority of government.
And are we supposed to care DEEPLY about the lost income of landlords, but not restaurants?
The landlords aren’t as special as they think. They weren’t the only ones who faced limits on how they used their property during the pandemic.
The whining and the plea for special treatment sure is palpable though.
Plenty of people other than landlords had to pay a price for the pandemic. Where is their compensation??? Where is my money for having to wear a mask? Where is my money for having to social distance? Why shouldn’t all of society compensate me?
The argument that landlords are special snowflakes is ridiculous.
Affordibility is the argument AGAINST doing it. You are using it as an argument against paying for it. Those are two completely different things. The takings clause doesn't say it isn't a taking if the government can't afford it.
Perhaps you should read up on takings clause jurisprudence. There is a lot that goes in to per se takings and regulatory takings. Not all regulations on takings. But some are. You could read the post too and see what the court just said about requiring a property owner to allow people on it.
Restaurants weren't forced to serve people without getting compensated for it. Landlords were. That is the big difference. They were forced to provide their property to others. No one else was. Your analogies are horribly misplaced.
You seem to have a really dim view of landlords. Many, if not most, aren't the seedy people you see on TV. They are normal people who have a one maybe two properties and they rent it out as their source of income. Stop thinking of the worst of them as a mean to determine what the law requires.
From an economic perspective, if I own an apartment complex or a restaurant and I lose money due to pandemic restrictions, that is money lost due to a loss of use of my property.
There is no “big difference” unless you think one person losing money due to restrictions on their property due to a natural disaster is a big deal and the other isn’t. Unless you think one sort of business should be subsidized but not the other. You are making a “but the landlord is a special snowflake” argument.
There are, of course, on-going expenses that the landlord has that don’t go away due to the pandemic. The same is true of the restaurant owner. And I frankly do not believe that the government MUST be an insurer to either in case of restrictions arising from a natural disaster. But if landlords are going to be compensated, then so should everyone else. I should be compensated for any lost time or inconvenience complying with pandemic restrictions too then. So should the restaurant owner. Everyone who has to sacrifice should be required to be paid. Or no one should.
I don’t take a dim view of landlords. A few of my closest family members are landlords. And they were LUCKY to continue to be paid during the pandemic. I recognize not all landlords were similarly lucky. What I take a dim view of is not landlords per se, but special treatment for some economic interests but not for others. No one is being deprived of the title to their property here. In both the case of landlords and restaurant owners, it is the loss of economic use of the property that is being temporarily infringed in order to mitigate a deadly pandemic.
As far as your point about takings law, the only thing that can be really said about that law is that it is a real mess.
"No one is being deprived of the title to their property here."
Case 1: one day while you are at work, I show up at your house at 111 Main St. with a locksmith, pick your locks, rekey them, and move in to your house. When you get home and protest, I reply "I haven't changed the title - you still own your house. You just don't get to use it for a while is all. All you have to do is rent an identical house - say at 222 Main St. - until I'm done with yours". This is a problem for you because you have to use your grocery money to pay the rent on 222.
Case 2: you live at 222, and you rent 111 to me. I tell you I'm not going to pay rent anymore, and you can't evict me. This is a problem for you because you were using the rent to buy groceries each month.
In both these cases, I'm living in 111 and you are living in 222, and you are out the same amount of money each month; they are functionally the same situation. Why is one OK and the other not?
It could very well be that cities' lockdown rules that prevent restaurants or gyms from operating is also a taking, it just hasn't been tested in court. This is not the killer argument you seem to think it is.
If Roe v. Wade is overturned and a state shuts down its abortion clinics, will that be a taking too?
It might be, Why do you ask?
It may be the same from an economic perspective but it is not the same from a Constitutional perspective. And the decision by the appellate court wasn't based upon economics. It was based upon the Constitution.
“Being paid what one is contractually owed for the use of one’s property” is “special treatment” is indescribably dumb.
And your entire argument is that way. If the government can’t afford to pay the cost of a policy to stay on the right side of the constitution, then the government shouldn’t enact the policy.
What is the argument that this constitutes a Taking?
What is the argument that it doesn't?
Property is nothing more and nothing less than the socially recognized power to make a certain set of choices regarding an object.
That I have less property interest in my own body than a landlord has in land has no economic nor social justification. Furthermore, how I spend my time should rightly be considered my property. When I am forced to spend it complying with pandemic-related regulations, I should be compensated IF landlords are compensated.
The judiciary should not be in the business of creating special classes.
Evictions in the time of covid did not lead to dying any more than evictions any other time. There was not great dying that was prevented.
There was a functional pause in evictions due to government officials (courts, police, etc. ) simply not doing any work in the first months of the pandemic. No specific order needed. Courts would self servingly rule that lack of access to the courts is not a taking, falling under some latinized form of the tough-shit rule. But once the eviction is blocked by means of precise executive order, then there is a specific taking.
Seems kind of a stretch eviction = death, even more of a stretch paying your rent = death.
It seems like volume one the economic history of the pandemic should be titled "Milton Friedman takes a Holiday" and Volume two: "He's Back, and Boy is He Pissed".
I guess liberty does not matter much to you. It certainly does not matter to many people, including some who find liberty actually harmful. Thus any attempt to find balance between a bit of liberty and death, risk of death, fear of death, or even vague worry about death, can always be tipped in favor of caution. And if we continue to give up small bits of liberty again and again, what will the end result be?
In the case of Progs this is a feature, not a bug. It's why they must be crushed.
Except the alternative you propose - "people dying," is a false choice. And even if it were the only alternative that wouldn't make it any more permissible under the constitution.
The right path, of course, was to not impose severe restrictions on economic activity making it impossible for people to pay their rent.
The nexus between the eviction moratorium and health outcomes was always a tenuous one, at best. It's likely many if not most landlords would have negotiated with tenants vs. evict, and assistance could have been made available for the latter group temporarily.
In the end - there is no pandemic exception to the constitution. We either follow it or we don't.
I don't see how stripping a judicial remedy is a taking. Would a legal rule restricting injunctions in nuisance cases and limiting a plaintiff to damages be a taking? Are the strict procedural requirements on UD relief takings?
You could also ask whether the accelerated procedures that landlords have in UD cases that don’t exist in other cases is a taking from tenants. Tenants do have a property interest in their occupancy (after all) and perhaps should have the same due process rights as anyone else whose property rights are challenged.
Because eviction isn't just a judicial remedy. The law also prohibits all other forms of ejection. You can't throw someone off yourself and police don't get involved unlike other trespasses. Governments set up eviction as the sole means of asserting your property rights in landlord-tenant relationships. If you take that away, you have essentially removed the right itself.
That is because you have VOLUNTARILY give part of your property rights away to the tenant for the duration of the lease. So-called self-help would be nothing more than an assertion of force that a tenant who hasn’t broken a lease has a right to meet with force. It is reasonable to require the parties to use the court system rather than resorting to violence and then going to court afterwards to see who actually in the right.
That you have a limited right to use violence to resolve a dispute before it is adjudicated in court is not some sort of unique infringement. It is totally normal. Self-help remedies may have made sense in the wild west, but violence before due process is the exception not the rule.
Eviction happens specifically when the landlord assets that the tenant HAS broken the lease. I think everyone here would expect the landlord to live up to the terms of the lease as long as the tenant keeps paying rent (and abides by the other terms, like not intentionally damaging the property or whatever they agreed upon).
Eviction isn't the sole remedy. You can sue for breach of contract damages and even attach the tenant's assets.
The whole premise of this argument is phony.
"Eviction isn't the sole remedy. You can sue for breach of contract damages and even attach the tenant's assets."
https://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1986/06/22/
Yes, and if the tenant squanders their money or is otherwise judgment-proof, the landlord is still left holding the bag.
At least you admitted that the whole premise of your argument is phony.
That's not a taking. "I would prefer judicial remedy X to remedy Y" is not in the takings clause.
Remember, MOST people can't get injunctions to enforce their contracts.
No, the taking is still the fact that government has removed any way for the landlord to enforce their property rights. As you point out, the existence of other remedies does not affect that.
To put it another way, eviction is not a remedy for the beach of contract. It's a mechanism for exercising the landlord's right of exclusion from his property. Absent government rules, the landlord could otherwise treat a deadbeat tenant as a trespasser. Eviction isn't a remedy for the breach of contract, but a mechanism to unwind the contract.
“ Eviction isn't the sole remedy. You can sue for breach of contract damages and even attach the tenant's assets.”
IIUC evictions terminate a tenancy, which may or may not involve a contract. A remedy for breaching a contract related to the tenancy and remedy for an undesired tenancy aren’t the same thing.
“ I don't see how stripping a judicial remedy is a taking.”
If the government decides they want to tear down your house and build a courthouse on your property, and they strip you of any remedy, that’s not a taking?
Instead of a one size fits all moratorium they should have used case by case means testing, so that people who really could pay their rent weren’t gaming the system, and people who couldn’t were eligible for subsidies so the landlords weren’t bearing the cost.
I'm curious if you considered how many employees it would take (both State and Federal), as well as judges and clerks, etc., to have reviewed the cases and handle disputes?
How long would that process take? It would naturally have to include a way to prevent eviction while someone was being evaluated, or the policy would have little real-world effect.
The moratorium was a bad policy, and of questionable constitutionality, but I think it was a necessary policy for a time. Now it's time for the Government to pay up (and on a related note, nail those who defrauded the PPP to the damn wall).
Jason, I don’t think it would have been that complicated. In Florida, there are boilerplate eviction complaints that a landlord fills out, files with the clerk, and serves on the tenant. And there’s a boilerplate answer for the tenant to fill out if the tenant is bothering to contest it. Simply adding another page with financial data to the already boilerplate answer wouldn’t have been any real trouble. The judge could then review it at the hearing, which normally takes place two weeks after the answer is filed.
Two weeks to determine an interest as important as whether the tenant shall or shall not be rendered homeless.
Why don’t we decide other disputes in the same timeframe?
Because the landlord’s mortgage payments, property taxes, insurance premiums and other costs don’t go away just because a tenant has stopped paying rent. Nor are the tenant’s financial problems the concern of the landlord.
I guarantee you that anyone else who faces a loss also feels an urgent need for that loss to be compensated.
Landlords aren’t the only people who have expenses.
And we aren’t talking about favoring the landlord over the tenant. We are talking about making sure there is adequate time for both sides to obtain representation and gather their evidence. There are plenty if claims and defenses a tenant may have against the landlord. You seem to be assuming who should win the court case before it even happens.
The restaurant owner can shutter his restaurant, turn off utilities, and lay off staff to curb losses. The landlord is required to keep operating his business for the benefit of the tenant and must continue to provide heat, hot water, trash disposal, and other services.
The restaurant owner can curb their losses. But they cannot eliminate them. The mortgage payment isn't suspended just because you don't run your restaurant, nor is the interest on your business loans suspended. And running the business may incur fewer losses and closing it, so that having the "power" to close the restaurant may not even be a real benefit.
The ability to curb losses does vary from industry to industry based on business arrangements and other commitments. That the pandemic was costly, and even devastating to many restaurants cannot be seriously denied.
So the same number of people who handle the normal load of evictions would be able to handle the substantially-higher caseload without issue?
I disagree.
That’s a separate issue from the one I understood you to be raising.
If there’s a higher caseload because more people are being evicted, then yes, that’s might be an issue, but if tenants know it’s being means tested, the caseload may not go up by that much. I think a certain number of people could have paid their rent but chose not to because it wasn’t being means tested.
If the issue is whether each case will take more time because the judge now has to look at each tenants finances, I don’t see that adding that much more time to what is typically a two minute hearing. There really aren’t that many defenses if you’re not paying your rent.
A two minute hearing.
Yeah, definitely designed for accuracy.
Ok, I’ll bite. The tenant has stopped paying rent. What’s to discuss?
And if your response is that the building isn’t up to code, the tenant is still required to pay the rent into the clerk of the court and there will be a full evidentiary hearing. If the tenant isn’t paying the rent to the clerk if the court it then gets fast tracked and we’re back to a two minute hearing. So those aren’t the cases I’m talking about.
If it’s a simple matter of the tenant has stopped paying, what’s to discuss?
What is discuss? Habitability for one. A tenant is entitled to deduct the cost of repairs the landlord refuses to make from the rent. If the premises aren’t habitable, the tenant may be entitled to a reduction in rent due.
There is nothing to discuss you say. Funny how everyone else in society has a right to a meaningful hearing before they are deprived of their property interests. And it is funny how other people have to give the other side time to raise whatever defenses they have or counterclaims they have.
It is nearly as though the political process already FAVORS landlords. Hmm…..
But do tell me, why should they be compensated but restaurant owners shouldn’t be.
If the government decrees that people can come into the restaurant and eat the food and not pay the restaurant owner for the value of the food then restaurant owners should be compensated. Nobody is arguing that restaurant owners be compensated because there’s no law forcing them to give up use of their property for nothing, unlike the landlords.
The simple fix is for the government to pay the missed rent. Don’t know why this didn’t seem to occur to anyone.
You seem to keep missing that point.
He's not missing the point. He's going a billion miles out of his way to avoid the point.
The government isn't your insurer.
As I already pointed out, if a tenant is claiming a habitability issue, then the tenant needs to pay the rent to the clerk of court, who will hold it until the case is resolved. And anything that needs to be deducted from the rent can be resolved at the hearing.
And as you fail to realize, if the REASON the tenant doesn't have the money is because they spent the money doing something the landlord is required to do, THEN requiring that deposit is prejudicial.
Unlawful detainer procedures should be eliminated. A landlord's ordinary business problem is not an emergency that society must go out of its way to provide special accommodations for.
That society does provide these special accommodations simply illustrates the massive political power that landlords possess. And yet, they need EXTRA legal protections courtesy of the judiciary not enjoyed by other business owners?
Such special snowflake.
David, if someone stops paying for a service, it’s not special treatment to say the provider can stop providing the service. No restaurant will continue to serve someone who skipped out on yesterdays dinner.
Once the tenant has stopped paying for the service, the landlord is under no obligation to continue to provide it.
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The moratorium was a bad policy, and of questionable constitutionality, but I think it was a necessary policy for a time. Now it's time for the Government to pay up (and on a related note, nail those who defrauded the PPP to the damn wall).
A) I concur that it was bad policy and almost certainly a taking.
B) While theorictically possible, the belief that the moratorium would actually reduce the spread was not borne out.
a tremendous amount of time, effort and $ were expended trying to stop the source of possible spread covid where there impact on the reduction in the risk of the spread was extremely small.
I disagree with your B) statement, but I'm also not going to expend the effort to argue with you because it doesn't matter.
I think the policy was necessary from a national security standpoint, and not allowing anywhere from hundreds of thousands, to tens of millions of people losing their homes and potentially becoming homeless.
The damage to the economy from such an incident would last for decades, and America cannot afford to be weakened in such a manner.
Hopefully you didn't dislocate your shoulder with that reach.
Because the priority during a pandemic and ALWAYS is to make sure that there does not exist a person such that the person gets something they don’t need or don’t deserve.
But we are never to question the salaries of CEOs, no matter how much influence they have over the board that decides their salary.
It is interesting to observe the dichotomy in who is said to deserve scrutiny and who it is said should be free from it.
And how the most important thing is to make sure that no one gets something they don’t need or deserve. Even during a pandemic.
I am not, by the way, advocating for people to game the system. However, I do recognize that people will do so as long as it is in their economic interest to do so and maybe that isn’t always the most important priority.
There is a difference when it comes to fraud, of course. For example, people who committed outright fraud with respect to unemployment benefits (filing under stolen identities, for example) deserve harsh punishments. This fraud has made administering the unemployment system very difficult and hurt society.
But I also would like to think I have a sense of perspective. The most important thing in life isn’t to means test every benefit. I also think what is legal is sometimes as scandalous as what is not.
In general, we will never have a utopia and that should not be out goal.
Who's "we" in your statement? If it refers to shareholders, of course we are. If it refers to random people unaffiliated with the company, it's none of their business.
Nieporent,
If you existed in the real world instead of a fantasy world, you would recognize that processes of competition that go on in the business world impact everyone.
If something impacts people, it is their business.
So you think conservatives were right to be upset about gay marriage?
I think conservatives are right to be upset about cancel culture or people telling them what they can or cannot think about gay marriage without being labeled a social outcast.
I also don't see how gay marriage is anyone's business otherwise.
Unlike an individual's decision to enter into a gay marriage, large corporations have social impacts on a lot of people. For example, corporations will deploy lobbyists in order to maintain or create a status quo that may benefit them, even if is a net loss for society.
That certain people extract disproportionate rewards from shared social arrangements involving large numbers of people is a public issue.
I am NOT saying what the solution should be or that there is even a problem with the status quo. But it is definitely a legitimate issue for public debate and concern.
David, I have read all of your comments in this thread, and I would like to point out to you a key concept you are missing: the rights associated with real property vs. personal property. A person who holds title to a house, a condo, a commercial building has real property rights, which are: the right of possession, the right of control, the right of exclusion, the right of enjoyment and the right of disposition. a tenant's leasehold is considered personal property. "The law makes a clear distinction between real property and personal property. Real property is immovable. It includes the land, everything that is permanently attached to it, and the rights that "run with" the land. Personal property, on the other hand, is movable."
I point this out to you because you seem to want to equate personal property (as in a lease) with real property rights (ownership of property). The two are distinctly different legally. This article is addressing the violation of one of the bundle of real property rights: the right to exclude, as in owner agrees to rent his real property with the agreement that the terms of a lease contract are followed. once the contract is violated, the owner has a right to exclude that tenant from his or her property. it is not the same as a business being forced to close or you being forced to wear a mask. the article and the lawsuit are addressing did the eo's violate real property owners right to exclude others, and if that is the case than it is a taking by the govt. your concerns about businesses and masks would fall under the govt's rights to take personal property rights. i am not sure a mask mandate even falls under this catagory.
So, really the question presented by this case is whether landlords are special snowflakes or not.
If restaurants can’t operate normally during a pandemic, shall that be required to be compensated too? What about gyms? What about the owners of office buildings?
The move to remote work may permanently decrease the price of commercial real estate. Should the government provide compensation in perpetuity to such commercial real estate owners? After all, but for government policies encouraging people to work from home, perhaps the culture of going into the office even when it isn’t necessary would not have been weakened.
What about the value of the time people lost complying with pandemic related rules and regulations? The time I spent buying masks. The time I spent looking for a mask that I owned but didn’t know where it was? The actual cost of the masks themselves?
It sure sounds like the point here is that if the government does anything at all to decrease the damages of a natural disaster, it is either supposed to pay everybody or even better, a special few designated snowflakes. The only way the government can avoid being an involuntary insurer is to DO NOTHING to mitigate the disaster.
But the REALLY special part is this. Some people have their losses recognized and others don’t. Depending on the form their property interests take. TOTALLY makes sense. We are all equal. But some of us are more equal than others.
I repeat: what's the argument that these constitute Takings?
Whether is a "Taking" with a capital T it definitely is a "taking" with a small "t." When public regulations consume my time, I am less well off as a result, ceteris paribus.
The "physical occupation" point is a distinction without a difference. Landlords are (usually) not having their personal space invaded by tenants. Running an apartment complex is just a business, it is nothing personal. As such, the "physical occupation" of a tenant is much less intrusive than requiring a human being to involuntarily put a mask on their body or requiring them to involuntarily socially distance. Yet, the less intrusive occupation must be compensated but the the more compensated intrusion does not?
Renting out property is just a business. And it should be treated as such. It should receive neither subsidy nor discouragement compared to other businesses by the law.
Are you aware of the fact that:
* Landlords and tenants usually voluntarily enter into a legally binding contract in which a tenant agrees to pay a landlord a certain sum of money on a recurring basis in exchange for sole use of a physical property maintained to certain standards by the landlord for a pre-agreed upon period of time?
* That if either the landlord or the tenant doesn't meet their respective obligations under the terms of the contract, it represents a material breach of that contract
* That a material breach of a contract allows the aggrieved party to sever the contract with the other and possibly seek damages due to that material breach?
* That these legally binding landlord-tenant contracts usually don't have a clause in them for one party to either delay or ignore their contractual obligations because of the existence of a pandemic
* That the various Constitutions in existence around the country (state and federal) do not empower a government to "impair the obligation of contracts"
It seems you aren't aware of these facts. Otherwise you wouldn't be conflating the concerns of landlords who suddenly weren't allowed to exercise various legally binding clauses of these contracts to remove non-paying tenants and replace them with paying tenants through the normal eviction process.
Restaurant and gym owners on the other hand don't have legally binding contracts in place with the general populace that requires a certain percentage of the populace to spend money at their establishments. Similarly, people in general (including landlords & tenants) don't have a legally enforceable right to recoup losses due to time lost dealing with pandemic issues.
So to answer your question, it does indeed seem like under the scenarios listed in your statement, landlords are indeed "special snowflakes", as would be anyone else who had a legally binding contract impaired by a government passing expost-facto laws or regulations that directly interfered with pre-existing contractual obligations.
I wonder how many people came down with COVID while staying in living spaces that were too cramped because they were unable to move into larger living spaces that were being occupied by people who weren't paying their rent and who landlords couldn't evict because of local and federal governments impairing otherwise legally binding pre-existing contracts?
Anyone done a study on that yet?
A broad interpretation of Cedar point would cover routine limitations on eviction like a notice requirement and judicial process before evicting. Even the standard rule that in the absence of a fixed term lease a tenancy is considered month to month requiring thirty days notice of termination is arguably a temporary intrusion on the landlord’s right to control his property and hence a taking.
Where does Cedar Point end? Does the fact that rules to regularize evictions and afford tenants some notice and rights have been around for a very long time and have never been regarded as takings count for anything?
And keep in mind that when landlords enter into a lease, the tenant has a superior right to occupation, exclusion, etc. If property is a “bundle of sticks” the landlord is not the only one with sticks in that bundle. A few of the sticks of property ownership belong to the tenant for either the length of the lease or when there is a proven breach.
I am not sure we could say the courts should be favoring either property interest over the other.
The tenant leases those rights from the landlord according to the lease agreement that both parties sign. When the tenant stops paying, they lose the rights. Eviction law limits how the landlord can enforce them against the tenant. Changes to that law that are adverse to the property owner (landlord) are takings.
Why isn’t the law itself a taking under Cedar Point? Why only changes to the law?
The limits that applied when the landlord bought the property came with that property. Those conditions may have involved a taking from a previous owner, and arguably interest in claims against the government could pass to the new owner, but even then it was the change in law (under previous ownership) that took a property right.
Well, various states in recent years have repealed or limited a number of tenant protections. For example, some states have reduced notice requirements ir permitted summary eviction proceedings without the tenant having a right to a hearing before a judge.
So if a state legislature were to have a change of policy and reinstate its previous tenant protections, that would be a taking?
I’m curious why, id so, re-instituting repealed tenant protections would constitute a taking from the landlord, but the repeal itself doesn’t constitute a taking from the tenant. If any law tending to increasw the time it takes for a landlord to evict is a taking from the landlord, why wouldn’t the repeal of such a law, or any change in the law tending to reduce the time it takes for a landlord to evict, constitute a taking from the tenant?
Perhaps some
What property right is being taken from the tenant in those cases? The Fifth Amendment protects against takings of property, not some broader set of rights.
On the other hand, courts now recognize a troublingly broad set of reliance interests as reasons to implement their policy preferences upon the other branches of government.
Because your position is that a reductiin of the time one has possession of property is a taking of property. If the time it takes for the landlord to take possession is reduced, then the time the tenant has possession of property is also reduced. Reducing the time period when the tenant can physically possess the property is a taking of property from the tenant.
After all, the tenant was contractually entitled to the notice period, notice requirements, hearing requirements, etc. Under your theory, it would seem that any legislative changes to those requirements that reduces the period the tenant has physcial posession of the property is a taking from the tenant.
I’m skeptical your theory holds any sauce at all. But if it does, what’s sauce for the goose definitely ought to be sauce for the gander.
No, my theory is that a bundle of property rights exist, and the government is forcibly transferring some of those from the landlord to the tenant. If the government tried to rewrite existing rental contacts to the benefit of landlords, that's not a taking of property from the tenants because they do not actually own the property in question.
All right, at least that’s a coherent theory. I think I’d be far from the only one to disagree with it. A tenant’s interest in a leasehold is a real property interest. When a landlord leases to a tenant, the landlord transfers (among other things) the rights to possess and exclude others. The tenant possesses those rights until the tenancy ends.
That is, it’s universally accepted that a tenant’s leasehold interest in the property is a valid interest for 5th Amendment takings purposes. See e.g. United States v. Welch, 217 U.S. 333; D. Macdougal, Eminent Domain: Compensation for Leesehold Interest Where No Provision in Lease 48 Marquette Law Review 90 (1964).
This issue doesn’t usually come up in litigation. Most leases have provisions describing how eminent domain proceeds will be divided between landlord and tenant (usually favoring the landlor). And tenants without such lease provisions are probably too poor or otherwise unable to file expensive lawsuits to obtain their portion of compensation.
Whether the lease was broke and by who is question for a court.
And we do not have to prioritize the resolution of such disputes during a pandemic.
It is as simple as that. All this whining is nothing more than special pleading from special snowflakes.
You realize that you are literally making a special pleading argument, right? (The rules should be different during a pandemic because reasons.)
This is all a total red herring on your part. If the complaint were that states had shut down their judicial systems because of the pandemic, and therefore landlords were unable to secure such determinations, and that this was unfair, then your response might be on point.
But the argument here is not that landlords should've had the right to evict people without a court order during the pandemic. The complaint is that even if a court did resolve that dispute in the landlord's favor, the states were not permitting landlords to obtain relief during the pandemic.
Relief that consists of having people thrown out by a public figure, namely the sheriff, and exposed to a deadly disease.
The idea that the government has an obligation to compensate landlords for not participating in the killing of people for not being able to meet their financial obligations is completely absurd.
The government rightly has the power to not participate and landlords have to resort to the political process to get compensation or not, just like restaurant owners or gym owners.
"...and exposed to a deadly disease.".
I find the epidemiological angle a little mystifying. I suppose if Fred gets evicted and goes to a crowded homeless shelter he might be at higher risk, but generally speaking wouldn't you expect the landlord to find a new tenant Bob, whose risk would now drop in his new-to-him house?
Unless the thought is that landlords are going to sit on empty rentals for a couple of years rather than get what rent they can it seems like a zero sum game, epidemiology wise.
Was Bob homeless? Most Bob's aren't going to be homeless.
What you would expect is more churn in the market. It is true that landlord do not like to keep their properties empty. But if they aren't getting paid, they don't really lose much and they have something to gain.
You would expect a decrease in the utilization of housing as landlords sought better tenants.
You're not even pretending to make legal arguments here. The legal question is "Does this policy constitute a taking?", not "Is this policy a good idea?" or "Is this policy important?" If the answer to the first question is yes, compensation is required. Whether you think it "absurd" — sorry, "completely absurd" — or not.
My arguments are related to what the legal outcome should be insofar as the judicial branch should not define takings in such away as to make arbitrary and discriminatory distinctions between property interests or businesses that make no economic sense.
If the judiciary ends up arbitrarily subsidizing landlords relative to restaurants through its legal reasoning, that is a valid basis of criticism because BOTH have temporarily lost the full use of their business property due to the pandemic. Such losses have been severe enough that many restaurants have even gone out of business entirely.
Furthermore, Courts ought to not be making economically arbitrary distinctions. And Courts should not unnecessarily intrude upon the policy sphere properly reserved to the political branches.
That said. I am NOT making a legal argument. And you aren't making a legal argument either.
Legal argument is one type of legal criticism. It isn't the only type. Legal argument is "small picture" and takes legal precedent as binding and given (with a small minority of usually failing legal arguments calling for the overturning of otherwise binding precedent). Legal criticism, in contrast, may criticize the entire enterprise and question the rationality of the system rather than buying into it.
Thinking conservatives might be consistent enough to cross gun nuts in this context is the kind of warped thinking that enables Prof. Somin to continue to associate with clingers at this white, male, clinger blog.
I still think the contract argument is cleaner and better. Landlord - "I have a contract with you that says if you don't pay me, I can evict you". Government - "Not anymore!"
The tsunami of evictions following the end of the moratorium never surfaced. I also read that very few landlords are attempting to collect the unpaid rent. I'm amazed. That's a huge amount of money. How in the world did the landlords survive without that money. I'm stomped.
If now the courts rule that the feds must repay all that missing rent, again it's a huge sum of money. Would that unfairly enrich the landlords because they apparently did OK without the rent. I'm stumped again.
Perhaps the precedent is more important than the money. If public health gives government that much power, next time they could say "This disease is transmitted by adult humans, so we're going to execute everyone over age 18."
I'm guessing there is a huge backlog of eviction cases in the court system. It may be less of a tsunami vs. a steady but growing trickle over the years.
I also think most landlords are practical - they'll prefer to negotiate with tenants if it means they'll eventually come out ahead.
I care less about it being expensive to pay these landlords - they are owed it due to the folly of the policy - equaled only in its unconstitutionally by its lack of nexus to health outcomes.
>I also read that very few landlords are attempting to collect the unpaid rent.
Going through the legal procedures to collect unpaid rent is expensive, and most tenants who don't pay rent are judgment proof anyway. That's one of the reasons why this is such a big problem for landlords--the idea that if they don't evict the tenant, then can sue for back rent, is a legal fiction.
>How in the world did the landlords survive without that money. I'm stomped.
People with large financial losses usually don't starve one day later. They may end up going into debt, or spending their children's college funds, or mortgaging something they own, or doing things which save money short term but have greater costs long term, such as not paying so much to landscape the property or fix potholes, or not repairing their car.
And that's if you can even find them. I had to rent my home in Michigan out for a couple years after 2008, when I moved to find a new job, and it wouldn't sell. The tenant skipped a rent payment and just disappeared off the map.
Then I spent 6 months of rent just fixing the damage he'd done to the house, so I could sell it at a loss.
"you're doing ok" despite adverse conditions is not really much of an argument against restitution, unless you have the morality of a common thief.
Progressiveism in a nutshell, just ask Artiepoo Kuck.
"Would that unfairly enrich the landlords because they apparently did OK without the rent."
I think the 'did OK without the rent' is worth thinking about.
I had an uncle who was a landlord. He wasn't a fat cat - he was a blue collar factory worker. In middle age he and my aunt could just swing the down payment on a rental, and partially cover the mortgage from rent. So over the next couple of decades they put money from his paycheck into the rental every month, and sometimes more for a new roof or whatever, and spent time on maintenance and so on. In the end, when they were retired, the idea was it would provide an income stream to live on. Let's say they were getting $X per month in rent.
For an alternate plan, they could have put the same amount of excess income into a bank account or mutual fund or whatever, and expected to withdraw $X per month to live on.
If you told my uncle he can't collect rent for 24 months, he's out $X*24. It's not any different that telling someone with the bank account you're going to deduct $X*24 from their account.
Would if be fair if we just took $X*24 from Capricorns? Of course not. If society needs to spend money, we should tax everyone to support it, not pick out some subgroup and take it all from them.
(and as far as 'they are doing OK', that's equally true of the people with the bank account - either they or the landlord may be able to cut back and put food on the table with just social security. There isn't anything special about landlords)
I wasn't speaking about fairness. By "doing OK" I mean I did not see news of large number of bankruptcies or tax lien sales or foreclosed mortgages. With no rent for 24 months, I expected to see large numbers of all of those things.
It also seems true that most landlords did not even trash the credit records of most tenants by reporting the unpaid debts to the credit bureaus. Again, that's surprising.
By "doing OK" I mean I did not see news of large number of bankruptcies or tax lien sales or foreclosed mortgages
And you think the left wing "press" would report on those, why?
I have seen a couple of articles of small landlords selling out at a loss because of non paying tenants, but my sense from investing forums is that most tenants have not been abusing the moratorium, which is heartening. My sense is also that small scale landlords tried to be forgiving when good tenants were in a rough patch because of shutdowns - why wouldn't they? It's not like there were a lot of deep pocketed tenants waiting to move in mid 2020.
What has been striking is how many small time landlords, existing or prospective, are getting cold feet. The moratorium, and other rules in some states, raise the risk of being a landlord. A large corporate landlord can spread that risk over a wide area; the small landlord with one or two rentals can't. If this trend shifts the balance from small landlords to large corporate ones, that won't benefit tenants in the long run. Among the reasons: corporate landlords can afford lobbying, corporate landlords are likely to demand higher margins, and at least in my experience corporate landlords are a lot less pleasant to deal with than a mom-n-pop landlord.
Because what you call the "left wing press" is not the mirror image of OAN. They actually report news, instead of just party propaganda.
You have a 2nd career in you as a stand up comedian. That was a good one.
How much of that comment is satire?
if it isn't reported does that mean it didn't happen? For example, Anne Applebaum: Not interested in H. Biden's laptop, so suppressing reports is not disinformation. This is the caliber of Journalist expected to report on something that makes (D) Governors and legislatures look bad.
And so the NY Post reporting was defamed / libeled, and 13 months ago would have been derided as not a fact reported.
It's definitely not ok and anecdotal observations that we haven't seen bankruptcies or post-hoc evictions (which I'd contend may just be delayed due to backlogs) don't justify the policies nor waive any responsibility to make right this outright theft by the government.
The Walz Defendants contend that no physical taking has occurred because landlords were not deprived of their right to evict a tenant. Rather, they argue, the [governors executive orders] imposed only a restriction on when a landowner could evict a tenant
WTF?"I want to evict this tenant"
"You can't do that"
"You've violated my right to do that"
"No, we haven't, because 10 years form now we'll let you do that"
WTF?
A good example of the former are state laws requiring property owners to allow guns on their land
"the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
So, by all means, they can get rid of such laws. But if they do wo, every single Civil Rights Housing law is toast.
Forget telling landlords they can't discriminate against gays, blacks, mixed race couples, unmarried couples, etc.
Because if you can discriminate against people for engaging in one Constitutionally protected activity, you can discriminate against people no matter what their "Constitutionally protected" activity is
Re: Excluding gun owners
I'm sympathetic that libertarians are quite "It's my property, I'll lease it to whomever I damn well please" and that is my stance. Except we don't live in that utopia. We have public accommodation laws, renter's rights (carved out by governments from owners). So, what I'd support in the abstract isn't what we have in the concrete.
Queries:
Why aren't gun owners a protected class ('shall not be infringed')?
What compensation would be due owners required to allow guns on their property? Has the property owner lost use of the property? Is the issue the ability to charge gun owners more money for rent / access? Is it catering to owner fear of firearms? Is it catering to owner bigotry?