Today in Supreme Court History: March 26, 2012

3/26/2012: NFIB v. Sebelius is argued.

Comments

[Dan Schiavetta]

The folks from the Heritage Foundation, which had formulated and publicly advocated the individual mandate, were in the forefront of those arguing that it was unconstitutional. Fortunately the "it's only unconstitutional when Democrats do it" position did not prevail.

[DaivdBehar]

Roberts proved the point. Ivy indoctrinated lawyer scumbag will side with big gocernment against regular people. My deductible went from $500 to $6000 a person with a big increase in premiums. Obama took my insurance and gave it to his constituent parasites. I was left with only catastrophic coverage at a high cost. We are sick of these rent seeking Ivy indoctrinated scumbag little tyrants. The result? The election of Trump. He was weak and totally played by the scumbags.

[bernard11]

I don't believe you.

[DaivdBehar]

It happened the next year, after having great private insurance.

[DaivdBehar]

OK Biden said the obvious. Putin needs to go.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/joe-biden-ends-europe-trip-with-address-on-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/?lctg=607d90f2373dd11b6ec10b87

[DaivdBehar]

Now, the Ivy indoctrinated lawyers at the White House are walking back the remark. They should be fired.

[Cal Cetín]

Indeed, Obamacare prevailed, and we can breathe a sigh of relief now that we're healthier and (thanks to our savings) wealthier.

[Dan Schiavetta]

Actually we are. It was bad enough that Covid erupted under an incompetent President, but with so many still uninsured (and therefore out of contact with the health care system) it would have been even more a disaster than it was.

[Cal Cetín]

...and it was an inspiring sight to see the 2020 Democratic candidates fall over themselves to praise Obama's signature initiative. They couldn't praise Obamacare enough.

[Dan Schiavetta]

Actually yes. Obamacare was passed despite unprecedented bad faith by Republicans and has survived those years of fact-free demonization. Once again, Democrats had to be the adults in the room.

[Cal Cetín]

"unprecedented bad faith"

I would think Hitler showed worse bad faith.

[Dan Schiavetta]

Well, if you want to play that game, you can't say that Hitler's bad faith was "unprecedented", either. Napoleon's treatment of Toussaint L'Ouverture was worse. And scour the history books and you might find someone further back who outdid Napoleon.

[Cal Cetín]

All I can say is...I'd love to see whichever health policies get adopted actually work. Except Hitler's health policies, of course. But, you know, policies not *intented* to be fatal. I'd like them to work. Better care, cheaper!

Assuming they can pull it off and steer clear of politics, lol.

[Dan Schiavetta]

I realize I'm not having a meaningful conversation here (one needs two people for that), but in fact the Nazis did have a national health care plan. Not everything about that regime was about anti-Semitism. In the wreckage of Berlin British soldiers found a memo by a lower level bureaucrat praising the system that was being proposed in Britain and which was soon to be put into effect by the Attlee government (and which is still in effect today). "This plan is cheaper, more inclusive, and better than ours in every way," the memo said.

[Cal Cetín]

The "two major parties" are two buttocks supporting the same orifice. The left buttock may have more boils on it, but neither buttock is very impressive.

[Life of Brian]

but with so many still uninsured (and therefore out of contact with the health care system) it would have been even more a disaster than it was.

1. If you think uninsured people don't regularly avail themselves of the healthcare system, that's just cute. Go hang out in an emergency room sometime.

2. You're suggesting that without the ACA we would have shoveled even more than 6 trillion extra dollars out the door over this debacle? Please show your work.

[Dan Schiavetta]

Uninsured people don’t regularly avail themselves of the health care system. They don’t have regular checkups. They only go to the ER when something happens needing immediate attention. And most people go for years without that happening.

[DaivdBehar]

You love it because you stole my health insurance and got it at rock bottom price, on my dime.

[Dan Schiavetta]

You are an immature idiot. You are now blocked. Good bye.

[Cal Cetín]

Just for that? Think of the precedent you'll be setting!

[santamonica811]

This is the first video of theirs that I watched. I get that these summaries are supposed to be super-brief. But still . . . it seemed weird when, at the very end, it says (paraphrasing), "People think that Justice Roberts held that the mandate was legal because it was a tax, but we [ie, Randy and Josh] disagree."

It seems like that was the place to put your objective analysis of what you think the opinion actually says, isn't it? Given your belief that popular opinion of what Roberts's majority says is actually wrong; why then leave this "misinformation" unchallenged? I mean, if your series were, "100 Sup. Ct cases you think you know, but really don't.", I guess it would make sense there.

[bernard11]

I'm guessing they think Roberts was wrong, not that people don't think that was the substance of his opinion. Admittedly, the phrasing, at least your version, does sound like the latter.

[Michael P]

When your law was only saved by construing an individual shared responsibility mandate penalty as a "tax", maybe you wrote a bad law.

Democrats sure thought they wrote a bad law at the time -- they expected to fix it through reconciliation.

[John F. Carr]

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