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San Diego Schools Need Not Allow Religious Exemptions from Vaccination Mandate
The Ninth Circuit held a week ago that the school district had to give religious exemptions so long as it categorically exempted pregnant students; now that the district has repealed the pregnancy exemption, no religious exemptions are required.
From Doe v. S.D. Unif. School Dist., decided yesterday by Judges Marsha Berzon and Mark Bennett (for the post about last week's decision, see here):
Appellants, a 16-year-old high school student and her parents, filed an emergency motion for an injunction pending appeal, seeking to enjoin San Diego Unified School District … from requiring compliance with a student vaccination mandate. On November 28, 2021, we granted Appellants' motion in part. We ordered that an injunction shall be in effect only while a "per se" deferral of vaccination is available to pregnant students under SDUSD's student vaccination mandate, and that the injunction shall terminate upon removal of the "per se" deferral option for pregnant students.
On November 29, 2021, appellees filed a letter and supporting declaration from Interim Superintendent Lamont Jackson explaining that the deferral option for pregnant students has been removed from the mandate. Appellants' responsive letter does not dispute that the pregnancy deferral option has been validly removed.
Given the removal of the "per se" deferral option for pregnant students, the injunction issued in the November 28, 2021 order has terminated under its own terms. This order provides our reasoning for why an injunction pending appeal is not warranted as to the now-modified student vaccination mandate….
SDUSD's student vaccination mandate provides that students who are 16 years or older as of November 1, 2021, and who are not fully vaccinated against COVID-19, will not be permitted to participate after January 24, 2021 in on-site education or extracurricular activities without a qualified exemption or conditional enrollment.
SDUSD allows for medical exemptions to the mandate as well as conditional enrollment in on-site education for 30 days for certain categories of newly enrolling students (students who are homeless, in "migrant" status, in foster care, or in military families). {These categories were drawn from California state law provisions applicable to other immunizations required for students.} The mandate also provides certain procedural protections and accommodations to students with Individualized Education Programs (IEPs), to comply with statutory "stay put" requirements. Previously, the mandate provided for a "per se" pregnancy deferral, under which a pregnant student could defer vaccination until after pregnancy; as noted, the "per se" pregnancy deferral no longer exists. SDUSD does not allow for an exemption to the mandate on the basis of religious belief.
Appellants allege that the student vaccination mandate violates the Free Exercise Clause, both facially and as applied, by failing to exempt Jill Doe, the high school student plaintiff, in light of a religious belief that prohibits her from taking any of the available vaccines, and by treating "comparable secular activity more favorably than religious exercise" through the granting of medical exemptions, conditional enrollments for certain categories of students, and procedural protections for students with IEPs. See Tandon v. Newsom (2021).
{The complaint and emergency motion explain that Jill Doe's reason for abstaining from vaccination is that "[a]ll three of the[ ] vaccines have been manufactured or tested using material derived from stem cell lines from aborted fetuses." The one vaccine approved for use in 16-year-olds is the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. That vaccine is not manufactured using stem cells. Third parties tested the vaccine using fetal cell lines, which are laboratory-grown cells originally derived from two fetuses aborted in 1973 and 1985. Jill Doe explains that her Christian faith prevents her from using any vaccines that depend on use of fetal cell lines at any stage of their development. We may not and do not question the legitimacy of Jill Doe's religious beliefs regarding COVID-19 vaccinations.}
Appellants have not demonstrated a sufficient likelihood of success in showing that the district court erred in applying rational basis review, as opposed to strict scrutiny, to the student vaccination mandate….
[T]he plaintiffs have not raised a serious question as to whether the mandate is generally applicable. The only currently enrolled students who are fully exempt from the requirement to be vaccinated for on-site learning and extracurricular activities are students who qualify for a medical exemption. The medical exemption is limited to students with contraindications or precautions recognized by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention or the vaccine manufacturer, and the request must be certified by a physician. Limitation of the medical exemption in this way serves the primary interest for imposing the mandate—protecting student "health and safety"—and so does not undermine the District's interests as a religious exemption would. See Fulton v. City of Philadelphia (2021) ("A law … lacks general applicability if it prohibits religious conduct while permitting secular conduct that undermines the government's asserted interests in a similar way.").
Additionally, although the record does not disclose the number of students who have sought or are likely to seek a medical exemption, if that number is very small and the number of students likely to seek a religious exemption is large, then the medical exemption would not qualify as "comparable" to the religious exemption in terms of the "risk" each exemption poses to the government's asserted interests. Moreover, some of the medical exemptions are likely to be "limited in duration," unlike a religious exemption. SDUSD's medical exemption form expressly states that "[n]o medical exception is permanent" and that any such exemption is valid only until the earliest date out of a list of dates, such as "[t]he end date specified by the physician" who fills out the exemption form. Students with health issues justifying a longer-term medical exemption will need to reapply for an exemption each year. Accordingly, although "it may be feasible for [SDUSD] to manage the COVID-19 risks posed by a small set of objectively defined and largely time-limited medical exemptions," "it could pose a significant barrier to effective disease prevention to permit a much greater number of permanent religious exemptions."
The 30-day "conditional enrollment" period for the specified categories of newly enrolling students also does not raise a serious question concerning the mandate's general applicability. As was the case with currently enrolled students like Jill Doe, conditionally enrolled students are simply given a grace period to provide documentation proving that they have been vaccinated before they may continue with on-site education; they are not exempted from the vaccination requirement itself. Thus, Appellants have not demonstrated that the mandate treats conditional enrollees more favorably than students who invoke religious beliefs as their ground for remaining unvaccinated. And, in line with the above analysis, the conditional enrollment period is both of temporary duration and of limited scope, and so does not undermine SDUSD's asserted interests in student health and safety the way a religious exemption would….
Moreover, in light of the rigidity of the medical exemption and the limited time period for conditional enrollees to obtain records or vaccine doses—which does not appear to be subject to discretionary extension—there is no "mechanism for 'individualized exemptions'" in this case….
[T]his case is meaningfully distinct from the recent cases involving COVID-19 restrictions on worship in churches and private homes. In those cases, the plaintiffs were literally prevented from exercising their religion in group settings. Here, in contrast, Jill Doe may exercise her religion by declining to receive the vaccination. Appellants argue that the student vaccination mandate nevertheless causes irreparable injury because it "burdens" their religion by making an "important benefit" contingent upon conduct that violates their faith. But the record is devoid of evidence indicating that SDUSD's remote-learning "alternative education program" is inferior to in-person education.
And although Jill Doe states that, as she is a "preeminent athlete," the mandate would cause her irreparable injury by "dooming" her otherwise promising chances of receiving a sports scholarship, she did not submit any details to support that claim. She also elected to proceed anonymously in this case—including remaining anonymous to the District and its lawyers—thereby preventing SDUSD from contesting the truth of that statement. Critical facts going to the "irreparable injury" inquiry are therefore unknowable in this case. Appellants thus have probably not carried their burden of showing that they are likely to suffer irreparable harm in the absence of preliminary relief.
Last, for completeness, we note that the public interest weighs strongly in favor of denying Appellants' motion. The COVID-19 pandemic has claimed the lives of over three quarters of a million Americans. The record indicates that vaccines are safe and effective at preventing the spread of COVID-19, and that SDUSD's vaccination mandate is therefore likely to promote the health and safety of SDUSD's students and staff, as well as the broader community. And as the Supreme Court has long recognized, "the right to practice religion freely" is not "beyond regulation in the public interest," including regulation aimed at reducing the risk of "expos[ing] the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill health or death." The public interest therefore favors SDUSD's mandate….
Judge Sandra Ikuta dissented, arguing, among other things, that:
[T]he School District's asserted interest justifying the vaccine mandate is to "ensure the highest-quality instruction in the safest environment possible for all students and employees" by preventing the transmission and spread of COVID-19. The two activities that Doe claims are comparable are in-person attendance by students who are unvaccinated for religious reasons and in-person attendance by students who are unvaccinated for medical or logistical reasons. These religious and secular activities pose identical risks to the government's asserted interest in ensuring the "safest environment possible for all students and employees," because both result in the presence of unvaccinated students in the classroom, who could spread COVID-19 to other students and employees.
But the School District's mandate treats secular and religious activity differently. Specifically, the policy allows in-person attendance by students unvaccinated for medical reasons, and in-person attendance by unvaccinated new enrollees who meet certain criteria. By contrast, the policy does not allow any form of in-person attendance by students unvaccinated for religious reasons. Because in-person attendance by students who are unvaccinated for religious reasons poses "similar risks" to the school environment as in-person attendance by students who are unvaccinated for medical or logistical reasons, the mandate is not generally applicable.
In concluding otherwise, the majority fails to follow the legal framework for determining whether a law is generally applicable. First, the majority argues that the medical exemption does not undercut the mandate's general applicability because it furthers the School District's interest in "protecting student health and safety" by protecting the health of the particular student claiming the medical exemption. This argument incorrectly focuses on the reasons for the exemption rather than the asserted interest that justifies the mandate.
No doubt the School District has a good reason for providing an exemption for medically vulnerable students in order to protect their health, although the School District could further this interest by allowing such students to participate in the remote-learning option. But "the reasons why" the School District allows in-person attendance for some unvaccinated students are irrelevant. Instead, "[c]omparability is concerned with the risks" in-person attendance by an unvaccinated student poses to the "asserted government interest." Here, the School District's asserted interest for imposing the vaccine mandate in the first place is to ensure "the safest environment possible for all students and employees" by preventing the transmission and spread of COVID-19. Allowing students who are unvaccinated for medical reasons to attend school in person undermines this interest. Thus, the majority errs at the first step in the framework by focusing on the School District's reasons for offering an exemption, rather than the interest that the School District actually asserts to justify the mandate.
Second, the majority claims that the risks posed by in-person attendance of students unvaccinated for medical reasons are not comparable to the risks posed by students unvaccinated for religious reasons because far fewer students will seek medical exemptions than religious exemptions. This rationale is entirely speculative. As the majority acknowledges, "the record does not disclose the number of students who have sought or are likely to seek a medical exemption." Nor is there any evidence in the record about how many students would seek religious exemptions. A court may not base its rulings on such free-floating guesswork. Thus, there is no basis for the majority's claim that the School District will be flooded with requests for religious exemptions if they were offered.
{This claim is undercut by testimony from the School District's expert, who describes the medical exemption as having a potentially broad scope: "If a student's own physician confirms, through the same process used for other vaccinations, that an underlying medical problem makes the vaccine unsafe for their patient, and that physician is made available to discuss this issue with the District's physician, the student is eligible for a medical exemption." This characterization of the mandate not only casts doubt on the majority's view that the exemption covers only a small number of students, but also suggests that the medical exemption may be an example of the "individualized exemptions" that render government regulations not generally applicable.}
The majority further errs in arguing that because the mandate gives students claiming a medical or logistical exemption only temporary relief, the risk posed by their in-person attendance is not comparable to the risk posed by the in-person attendance of students claiming a religious exemption. But the majority identifies no authority suggesting that the School District can treat secular activity more favorably than religious activity simply because the disparate treatment is only temporary. Even a temporary deferral would provide a religious student with some relief.
{[And t]here is no basis for characterizing the medical exemption as temporary. According to the School District's medical exemption form (as opposed to the testimony of its expert), students qualify for a medical exemption only if they have a "contraindication" or "precaution" recognized by the CDC or the vaccine manufacturer. The only such contraindication is a severe allergic reaction or known diagnosed allergy to the vaccine or its ingredients, and the only precaution is a history of immediate allergic reaction to other vaccines or injectable therapies.}
Finally, the majority argues that conditional enrollment deferrals are not comparable to a religious exemption because Doe had the same amount of time to comply with the mandate that new enrollees will have. This again confuses the reasons for the exemption with the asserted interest that justifies the mandate. While the School District may have a good reason to give new enrollees who meet certain criteria thirty days to comply with the mandate, the in-person attendance of such unvaccinated conditional enrollees poses an identical risk to the School District's asserted interest in preventing the spread of COVID-19 as the in-person attendance of unvaccinated students seeking a religious exemption. Therefore, the mandate is not generally applicable. …
Because the School District's mandate is not generally applicable, strict scrutiny applies. Strict scrutiny requires that the mandate be narrowly tailored to serve a compelling interest. The School District's mandate does not satisfy this standard. "Stemming the spread of COVID–19 is unquestionably a compelling interest." But if "the government permits other activities to proceed with precautions, it must show that the religious exercise at issue is more dangerous than those activities even when the same precautions are applied." "Otherwise, precautions that suffice for other activities suffice for religious exercise too."
Here, the School District has not met its burden of showing that the "non-pharmaceutical interventions (e.g., face coverings, regular asymptomatic testing)" that exempted students must follow do not "suffice for religious exercise too." Additionally, the School District already accommodates teachers and staff who remain unvaccinated due to personal beliefs by allowing them access to the campus, which shows that the School District has determined that it can satisfy its safety interests while still allowing persons unvaccinated on religious grounds to access campus. Accordingly, the vaccine mandate is stricter than necessary to meet the School District's asserted goals, and therefore is not narrowly tailored. Finally, California's proposed mandate will allow a personal beliefs exemption, which further suggests that the School District's mandate is stricter than necessary.
{The majority suggests that the School District's remote-learning option is not inferior to in-person education. But if that were true, then all unvaccinated students should participate in remote learning. Otherwise, the School District's mandate would be severely underinclusive.} …
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Well, given the massive amount of careful study on the vaccines effect on pregnant teens, I can see why the stopped that exemption.
Wouldn’t the better argument be that vaccines don’t fully mitigate spread in Delta and Omicron world…and if they don’t mitigate spread then it’s a personal medical issue and not a public health issue.
"Fully"? Seriously?
No government policy, and no medical treatment, is ever going to be 100% effective, so if that's the standard then government can never mandate anything. Traffic laws aren't "fully" effective; people still die in accidents, so then I guess we repeal traffic laws and people can barrel through school zones at 90 MPH if they want to.
No, the standard is whether it leaves us better off, and vaccines clearly do.
Krychek_2
December.5.2021 at 8:52 pm
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"Fully"? Seriously?
"No, the standard is whether it leaves us better off, and vaccines clearly do."
Vaccines definitely help for the at risk groups and over age 65, along with some benefit for the age group 25-65.
However, for the age group (under age 21), there is virtually no risk for an adverse result from covid. While the risk of adverse effect from the vaccine is trivially small, it is on par with the risk of adverse effect from covid itself. Since natural immunity is much stronger than the vaccine, why spent time and effort for something with so little tangible benefit.
Because those under 21 can still spread it to others. The goal is to eradicate Covid, not just protect individuals.
Krychek_2
December.6.2021 at 8:19 am
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"Because those under 21 can still spread it to others. The goal is to eradicate Covid, not just protect individuals."
Eradication is not remotely possible - though it does explain doubling down on ineffective policies.
Even if the goal is unachievable, we still move as close to it as we can. Perfect traffic safety is impossible -- people will still die in accidents no matter what -- but I don't hear anyone arguing there shouldn't be traffic laws for that reason. The issue is whether they leave us better off than they were before.
"Even if the goal is unachievable, we still move as close to it as we can. "
Vaccinating minors against COVID doesn't move the needle by any measurable amount.
Krychek_2
December.6.2021 at 8:46 am
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"Even if the goal is unachievable, we still move as close to it as we can. Perfect traffic safety is impossible -- people will still die in accidents no matter what -- but I don't hear anyone arguing there shouldn't be traffic laws for that reason. The issue is whether they leave us better off than they were before."
1) Kids have virtually zero risk - except those very rare instances
2) Based on current medical knowledge, vaccinating kids moves us away from achieving long term immunity and makes us worse off, not better.
Joe, and Matthew, funny how epidemiologists and other scientists who do disease for a living all seem to disagree with you.
Krychek_2
December.6.2021 at 9:21 am
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"Joe, and Matthew, funny how epidemiologists and other scientists who do disease for a living all seem to disagree with you."
Krychek - you are confusing what the epidemiologists and other scientists are actually stating.
Covid is a coronavirus - there has never been a coronavirust that has been eradicated. There is no epidemiologist or scientist that believes that Covid can be eradicated.
Did you miss the part where I said that just because a goal is not 100% attainable doesn't mean we don't strive for it? And my comment about epidemiologists was directed to your comment that these vaccines don't accomplish much; on that point you and they are in flat disagreement.
And I'm familiar with the dynamic; I was raised by young earth creationists, which is as follows: Who cares what the scientists say; my lay person's result-oriented opinion is that the professionals are wrong.
Krychek_2
December.6.2021 at 9:49 am
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Did you miss the part where I said that just because a goal is not 100% attainable doesn't mean we don't strive for it?"
A) - No I didnt miss your point about it not being 100% attainable.
You did miss the point that incremental benefit for vaccinating children at this point is negative net returns.
" And my comment about epidemiologists was directed to your comment that these vaccines don't accomplish much; on that point you and they are in flat disagreement."
B) Most emidemiologists agree that covid vaccines for children have little long term benefit. The demand to vaccinate children is a policy driven by those who continue to suffer from covid paranioa instead of a real world assessment of the risks.
Little long term benefit -- assuming you're quoting them accurately -- is not the same as little benefit.
"B) Most emidemiologists agree that covid vaccines for children have little long term benefit. The demand to vaccinate children is a policy driven by those who continue to suffer from covid paranioa instead of a real world assessment of the risks."
That's not true at all.
From https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid19-vaccine-what-parents-need-to-know
[QUOTE]The vaccine helps prevent or reduce the spread of COVID-19: Like adults, children also can transmit the coronavirus to others if they’re infected, even when they have no symptoms. Getting the COVID-19 vaccine can protect the child and others, reducing the chance that they transmit the virus to others, including family members and friends who may be more susceptible to severe consequences of the infection.[/QUOTE]
JB;'s response - That's not true at all.
From https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid19-vaccine-what-parents-need-to-know
JB - you might actually try to read the statement from john hopkins. there is nothing supporting john hopkins statement that is any thing other than "it will calm your fears"
For a more rational based assessment of the risk and benefits of vaccinating children - go to healthy skeptic.
joe_dallas: You've just gone from "most epidemiologists think X" to "most epidemiologists think the opposite of X, but they shouldn't, and here's a non-epidemiologist who disagrees with them"
What you and the rest of the COVIDiots are demanding (universal partially effective vaccinations) is analogous in your traffic safety context to a demand of universal 10mph speed limits "for safety". Sure it would reduce auto fatalities but nobody argues for that because it's not justified in any cost/benefit analysis, we have rules for high risk areas like near schools and rules for low risk areas like freeways.
Funny how the people who do science for a living disagree with you. See my response to Dallas Joe above at 9:49 a.m.
People who do science for a living and aren't widely banned from talking about it. Remember, you're viewing a media environment which is systematically suppressing one side of the argument, and not even pretending otherwise.
Right, Brett, it's a conspiracy. It couldn't possibly be that the weight of evidence is mostly in one direction and they're being responsible journalists by not granting equal time to quacks.
Brett is slowing slipping away from us into nutso-land. Just recently he gave everyone with a wild-eyed rant on how CDC data re abortions by week was - yes - another conspiracy.
Ya kinda wonder if he's got all the schemes and conspiracies diagramed somewhere, with colored yarn stretching between each plot to show how the deep-state entities overlap. (I'm guessing that would fill an entire basement wall)
COVID can no more be eradicated than the swine flu.
No. That's actually a really stupid argument, since you switched from "don't fully mitigate" to "don't mitigate" within the span of half a sentence.
(And "fully mitigate" isn't even semantically coherent. Mitigate means to lessen a negative effect. You meant "don't fully stop.")
Masks don’t fully mitigate spread but I support masking. Vaccines are more intrusive than masks and quite frankly as a vaxxed and boosted individual I want Americans risking their health for natural immunity because it is superior to my vaxxed immunity and so it benefits me for people to risk their health to acquire natural immunity. With respect to mitigation the safest population has natural immunity and high levels of vaxxed immunity because the vaccines were designed for January 2020 Covid and not Delta and Omicron and so recent natural immunity protects better against Delta. So check out Florida and Louisiana which did a terrible job with Covid (although the governor of Louisiana did a great job under the circumstances) but right now have very low case rates thanks to a combination of vaxxed immunity and recent natural immunity.
No, they're not. A vaccine is a 30-second procedure. A mask is an ongoing measure. I'm not a Trumpkin baby; I can wear a mask if I have to. It's an inconvenience, not torture. But I'd much rather get vaccinated and then not have to wear a mask than the reverse.
A better argument would be that schoolchildren aren’t at significant risk from any Covid variant. They tend to get sick from it and then get better within a few days regardless of vaccination, except in extremely rare hit-by-lightning, win-the-lottery sort of outlier events.
And of course they never transmit it to anyone else either.
Krychek_2
December.6.2021 at 7:46 am
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"And of course they never transmit it to anyone else either."
Except transmission from children to adults is the exception, not the rule.
So what? In the first place, as more and more adults get vaccinated, that rule may change; you may find unvaccinated young people become the new rule. Second, as I pointed out above, the goal is to eradicate Covid, not just protect individuals. For that, you want to vaccinate as many people as possible.
Krychek_2
December.6.2021 at 8:20 am
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"So what? In the first place, as more and more adults get vaccinated, that rule may change; you may find unvaccinated young people become the new rule. Second, as I pointed out above, the goal is to eradicate Covid, not just protect individuals. For that, you want to vaccinate as many people as possible."
Do you really believe that covid can be eradicated?
Quite frankly - attempts to eradicate covid are idiotic
Joe_dallas : Quite frankly - attempts to eradicate covid are idiotic
Maybe, maybe not.
But either way, it's not even close to being so moronic as those people who became anti-vaxxers overnight because their right-wing handlers decided there was a few polling points of gain in birther-style disinformation on covid.
Strange how those who scream loudest they "aren't gonna let the gubmint tell'm what to do" are often the very same people easiest to program. Just like a docile herd of sheep.....
grb
December.6.2021 at 12:04 pm
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Joe_dallas : Quite frankly - attempts to eradicate covid are idiotic
Maybe, maybe not."
Let me know the last time a corona virus was eradicated. - You can also let me know the first time a coronavirus was eradicated.
that being said, vaccination is a good thing for most everyone over age 40, and especially those over age 65. vaccination for those age 25-40 meh
However vaccination for those under age 25 for covid is counter productive.
"Except transmission from children to adults is the exception, not the rule."
Joe,
How did you get that idea? It is not true.
Don Nico
December.6.2021 at 2:10 pm
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"Except transmission from children to adults is the exception, not the rule."
Joe,
"How did you get that idea? It is not true."
Don - it is the exception, not the rule - and at this point, it is also well known to be the exception.
Schools exist to serve the students. It’s not their job to worry about third-hand, allegedly-transmitted cases to random non-students.
Will little Muhammad get to wage jihad at school because his deeply help religious beliefs require him to slaughter infidels??
"We cannot and do not question Muhammad's sincere religious belief that abiding by the continued existence of non-Muslims is contrary to the one true faith."
Wrong, they can't question the nature of the belief itself. They can question the purported believer's sincerity.
The Muslims in ISIS seem very sincere about their religious beliefs—they are willing to die for their religious beliefs.
I'm pretty sure the courts will conclude that banning murder is narrowly tailored to a compelling government interest.
No lower court would ever rule on the side of Muslims waging Jihad and the Supreme Court would never grant cert to rule in their favor—that’s called Islamaphopia. It’s the same game of “chicken” the Supreme Court is willing to risk with polygamy in light of Obergefell…and Reynolds deals with polygamy and Reynolds is dripping with animus towards Muslims and so the underlying rationale of Obergefell applies to polygamy.
Nothing in Obergefell called into question the binary nature of the marriage relationship -- likely because the plaintiff couples had not litigated that issue, and would have no standing to do so even if they had wanted to.
If those wishing to practice polygamy wish to do so, let them sue in district court and develop an evidentiary record.
Uh, read the Bible—marriage isn’t a binary institution. WASPs that outlawed alcohol and marijuana and even immigration codified binary marriage!?! Mormons engaged in polygamy as an exercise of their religious faith and the federal government persecuted them for it. In fact a recent presidential candidate was from a family that was literally forced into exile over polygamy!?!
A Supreme court ruling legalizing polygamy would actually be more legally defensible than Obergefell; Polygamy is a traditional form of marriage, and our suppression of Mormon polygamy was a blatant 1st amendment violation, then there are the ongoing implications for married groups immigrating from jurisdictions where it's legal.
And I say that despite the fact that legalizing polygamy would have much, much worse societal effects than legalizing SSM.
Societies that tolerate polygamy end up with a substantial group of men who have no prospects of marriage, due to wealthy men snatching up several women. That's pretty destabilizing.
While SSM involves few enough people to have limited implications aside from those for people legally compelled to be complicit, and tends to be self-canceling in its effects; It's not reducing marriage prospects for heterosexuals any, let alone in a destabilizing, asymmetric way.
With all the exceptions that Republicans are inventing for “self defense” against protesters and perceived aggressors, I am not sure that it’s always going to be the case that laws banning murder are “narrowly tailored.”
I got to say I can understand liberals’ reaction towards the Rittenhouse verdict because no matter what anyone said I wouldn’t believe this recent school shooter was acting in self defense. So I’ve already jumped to a conclusion and probably wouldn’t watch any video if it exists—he was in a place where a kid his age shouldn’t have had a gun and he shot multiple people.
Ah, but guns are objects of religious veneration, requiring ritual child sacrifices. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2012/12/15/our-moloch/ Perhaps the young Mr. Crumbly and his parents can raise a free exercise defense.
The sincerity of person A in location y is in no way evidence of the sincerity of person B in location z.
If it means more pay for teachers union members or less time actually spent teaching the students, then yes.
Assuming arguendo the sincerity of Jill Doe´s belief, it is difficult for me to see how the use of vaccines whose development is so attenuated from fetuses aborted generations ago imposes a substantial burden on religious exercise. How is any alleged burden anything but de minimis? If she receives the vaccine, will that affect any sincerely held belief, or is she just as free to believe as she was before? Will she worship any differently after receiving the vaccine?
Where is the burden?
Abstaining from the vaccine is part of practicing her religious beliefs.
You simply can't think very hard about it, that's the key. Courts aren't allowed to, so you can't think about these religious claims like you would if they were published in a journal on theology. They come in with fantasy claims, loosely based on some amorphous reasoning, and as long as their delusion is shown to be sincere, they win.
We really need to start challenging the sincerity of these beliefs. Jill Doe has no doubt benefited from fetal stem cell line research before, without any objection. It's just a convenient, broadly-circulated excuse that the anti-vaxxers are embracing, in a rebellious pique.
Sincerity and substantial burden are distinct issues of fact. I am puzzled as to how any burden is substantial as opposed to incidental or de minimis.
xAbstaining from the vaccine is part of practicing her religious beliefs.
Right. She's a devout RWNJ, quite probably of the Trumpist persuasion.
I recall plan B pills, which prevented a fertilized egg from implanting. Many wondered why the religious didn't leap on board.
That's not how it works. If it compels her to do something that violates her beliefs,¹ or if it forbids her from doing something that's required under her beliefs, then that's a substantial burden. Whether you think the violation is significant or not is not what determines the size of the burden. Your argument is the equivalent of saying, "Well, we're only requiring the observant Jew to eat a small amount of pork, so the burden on his religious exercise isn't significant."
And that's really not how it works. It's the free exercise of religion that is at issue, not "beliefs" or "worship." Again, back to the pork: it's not that eating it cause a Jew to "believe" something different or prevent him from "worshipping." It's that it is a (this isn't exactly the right word, but Christians may relate to it) sin for him to do it.
¹It doesn't. This is a post hoc lie made up by anti-vaxxers to justify their position. (The government isn't allowed to say that, but I am.)
So an ipse dixit assertion -- I really, really, really don´t like it -- is enough to carry the day? That is troubling.
Your argument is foreclosed by Hobby Lobbyblockquote>HHS’s main argument (echoed by the principal dissent) is basically that the connection between what the objecting parties must do (provide health-insurance coverage for four methods of contraception that may operate after the fertilization of an egg) and the end that they find to be morally wrong (destruction of an embryo) is simply too attenuated [...] This argument dodges the question that RFRA presents (whether the HHS mandate imposes a substantial burden on the ability of the objecting parties to conduct business in accordance with their religious beliefs) and instead addresses a very different question that the federal courts have no business addressing (whether the religious belief asserted in a RFRA case is reasonable).
Well, it has to be "My religious beliefs forbid it," not "I really (etc.) don't like it."
"¹It doesn't. This is a post hoc lie made up by anti-vaxxers to justify their position. (The government isn't allowed to say that, but I am.)"
Actually the government would be allowed to say that. They are allowed to question the sincerity of the belief. They almost never do but my understanding is that existing precedent on the issue would allow them to do so.
The problem is that the burden of proof would be on the government to show that it is insincere and they would need actual evidence particular to the specific claimant to carry it.
This was the rather obvious consequence of holding, as Kavanaugh seemed so eager to do, that religious believers ought to be entitled to whatever exemption to a generally applicable law you granted to anyone else, even those narrowly tailored for people who have a genuine, medically-proven need to be exempt from the law. No exemptions at all. He no doubt believed that rational lawmakers would not be so draconian - that they would sooner grant the exemption to superstitious and factually wrong anti-vaxxers than withdraw the exemption from people with bona fide medical issues. Because he's a solipsistic, ends-driven Catholic, like Scalia before him.
But here we are. Is that a better result?
It is certainly a more just result.
Better? You'd have to come up with a way to objectively evaluate the term first, and there's to way you are capable of that.
And indeed he was correct. California lawmakers dispensed with rationality a good while ago.
To wit, here they threw pregnant women and their babies under the bus for the sole purpose of sticking it to the religious. Pretty twisted.
When in the future a more objective assessment of the idiocy of those who claim a 'religious' exemption to infect and spread disease and death takes place, those future generations will look back at all of this and think that the fact that we of the present would even entertain the idea that religion allows people to spread pestilence makes us the stupidest nincoompoops that God ever created.
And for those of you who want to question, criticize or condemn this statement above please be advised that I have a sincerely held religious belief to call out people who have a selfish need to endanger me, my family and my friends for what is purely a political position disguised as a freedom of religion position.
It is a bit worse then that. The number of religions that actually have an objection to vaccines is quite small, and granting them an exemption would not be a problem. The issue is that so many people are claiming false religious exemptions. True religious people should be pissed about that.
Telling religious people how they should feel ('True religious people should be pissed about that.') is part of the problem. The government has 0 business deciding how someone should feel. Managing feelings is so anti-libertarian is boggles the mind.
I am not the government. I am saying religious people should be pissed. No different then problem with severe food allergies being pissed when people lie about having allergies just because they don’t like something
"The two activities that Doe claims are comparable are in-person attendance by students who are unvaccinated for religious reasons and in-person attendance by students who are unvaccinated for medical or logistical reasons. These religious and secular activities pose identical risks to the government's asserted interest in ensuring the "safest environment possible for all students and employees," because both result in the presence of unvaccinated students in the classroom, who could spread COVID-19 to other students and employees."
This is wrong. There is a substantially higher risk to those who medically can not get vaccinated then those who just don't want to due to their religion.
Your assessment is wrong. It's not about the risks to those granted an exception to the vaccine mandate. It's about the risk those exceptions pose to everyone else.
Vaccine work best when you have herd immunity from them. That is the goal, to get enough vaccinated for that, the few that can not get vaccinated are not enough to affect herd immunity.
There is nothing in that statement that justifies assigning a different risk profile based on the reason for the exemption.
If they get vaccinated, or had covid already, those risks are minimal, on a par with risks we already routinely tolerate.
Serving the public? Serving the students? Not a consideration.
It's a cookbook.
It’s more like a dairy. School staff milks the public, effectively ransoming the students under their control. They do it year after year until the students can finally escape.
Part of the problem is that "religion" is itself not well defined. Once upon a time everybody pretty much knew what religion was; today, as with "liberal" and "conservative" the definition is largely in the eye of the beholder.
I've heard the claim made that atheism is a religion. I think that claim is bullshit, but if it gets me out of obeying a law I don't particularly care for, why not? What about secular humanism; if the Supreme Court reverses Roe v. Wade and abortion becomes illegal in some states, can abortion providers rely on their deeply held secular views of right and wrong and continue performing abortions? Does religion require a supernatural underpinning, and if not, then doesn't everybody basically have a free pass to ignore any law -- including paying taxes, abstaining from sex with minors, and distributing heroin -- that they think violates some ethical principle?
Kavanaugh and company may be making a necessary course correction to a system that gave no consideration at all to religion, but the direction in which they are headed will result in nothing but trouble. This is not going to end well.
"System gave no consideration at all to religion" Really!?
The Armed Services recognizes conscientous objectors. States for decades had 'blue laws'. Where I live you cannot buy hard spirits on Sunday and cannot buy beer and wine until after 12 noon. Christmas is federal and state holiday. Clergy and houses of worship get special tax breaks. Religious schools get government aid. When I was in school the county hired a Christian religious teacher to go around to the schools and hold religious classes. In high school every Tuesday we had a local preacher give a sermon. Teachers started the day reading from the Bible and leading the classes in the Lord's Prayer. We prayed to Jesus before every football game. Contributions to religion are tax deductible.
But no, our system of government gave no help or special consideration to religion until the Supreme Court stepped in with its conservative (?) majority. Right, maybe in an alternate universe but certainly not this one.
How could it do that? Other than "God doesn't exist," atheism doesn't have any tenets, so what law (other than a law requiring you to affirm the existence of god, which would be verboten for other reasons) could run afoul of that?
Unless the abortion provider's religion requires that abortions be performed, no. Forbidding something that it merely allowed by one's religion does not impinge on one's religious beliefs.
David, for sake of argument, accept the premise that secularism is a religion -- theists certainly argue that it is when it suits them to do so. So, what affirmative tenets might secularism have?
Well, that our actions should be guided by reason and logic and concern for humanity. If, based on logic and reason as you understand them, you don't believe the fetus is a person, then obviously helping a woman end an unwanted pregnancy so she can have a happier, more fulfilling and more productive life is something your religious beliefs might compel you to do; performing abortions basically becomes an act of religious charity. The Little Sisters of the Poor runs soup kitchens in furtherance of their religious beliefs; secular abortion providers run abortion clinics in support of their religious beliefs.
And the fact that other secularists, who do believe that abortion is murder, reach the opposite conclusion is irrelevant; that is a doctrinal dispute among different sects of secularists not unlike doctrinal disputes among different sets of Christians or Jews.
Now, is that logic airtight? Of course not, but it's no sloppier than a lot of the logic that that underlies a lot of the religious freedom arguments we've been hearing from theists. Remember, it is sincerity of belief that counts and not whether a logician can poke holes in it.
Plus, I basically threw the argument together in five minutes to respond to a blog comment; I have no doubt that someone who actually put the time into it could state it far more elegantly than I just did.
So, back to my original question: Where exactly is the stopping off point? Because at some point, religious liberty will become nothing more than a free-for-all get-out-of-jail card to ignore any law you don't wish to obey.
As an aside, some claim that ¨secular humanism¨ is a religion and cite to a footnote in Torasco v. Watkins, 376 U.S. 488, 495 n.11 (1961):
This often overlooks the text accompanying that footnote:
367 U.S. at 495 [footnote omitted].
I am surprised that no religion (similar to, perhaps, Pastafarianism) has popped up, where central tenants are (a) self-control over one's body, specifically including access to abortion, and (b) a duty to assist others who are attempting to obtain a voluntary abortion.
Now that the deeply-held tenants of Religion X and Religion Y are in direct conflict; who wins?
(Or, I own a store, and my Pastafarian religion says that it is our deepest duty to protect the lives of others, including specifically--but not exclusively--getting all govt-approved vaccines. You're my worker, and you ask for a religious exception to the Covid vaccine. Whose religion "wins" in cases like this?)
"Satanists hold bodily autonomy and science sacrosanct, he said, and abortion 'rituals' are an important part of those beliefs."
https://fortune.com/2021/09/03/why-satanists-may-be-the-last-hope-to-take-down-texass-abortion-bill/
thnks man for this wonderful article........
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The appeals court asked the school district: what's really important, guarding pregnant teens from unknown risks or maximizing vaccination rate? And the school responded, vaccination rate.
More like: "what's really important, guarding pregnant teens from unknown risks or guarding pregnant teens from low but existent risk of Covid, especially when you consider risks to others?"
Interesting - and not what I was expecting to read at all. My reactions are:
1. The school district's policy is poor public policy because it places greater weight on vaccination than the scientific record actually supports.
2. Despite that, the policy is legally very well written. Enforceable policies don't have endless loopholes and carve-outs. They did a good job making this policy universal.
3. The court did a good job assessing the validity of the policy.
4. Despite that, the court used the wrong standard. Since religious liberty rights were implicated, they should have used 'strict scrutiny' rather than the misnamed 'rational basis'. It would not have changed the outcome and it would have made the inevitable appeal even harder.