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John Hart Ely on Planned Parenthood v. Casey
Despite his criticisms of Roe, he also believed in stare decisis
I mentioned recently John Hart Ely's famous criticism of Roe v. Wade. A less famous fact about Ely is this: 19 years later, after the Supreme Court decided not to overrule Roe in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, he wrote a letter to the authors of the opinion. You can find it in his final collection, On Constitutional Ground. Here is the letter, as well as, in italics, his commentary on the letter from his book:
Despite my serious misgivings about Roe, I've thought for some years it would be a mistake to overrule it. Though my views to this effect were reported in Lincoln Caplan's book The Tenth Justice 126 (1987), I haven't previously said this in print. Since I obviously hate to leave any thought unexpressed, and even more obviously and am not running for a judicial appointment--it's kind of hard to envision the president who would appoint someone who (a) is pro-choice but (b) was a conspicuous critic of Roe, and by the way (c) doesn't think it should be overruled--I do so now.
I'm not much of a fan letter writer, but it seemed to me an exception was in order here, since I know you'll receive a lot of grief from true believers on both sides of this one.
Your joint opinion is excellent--I guess law professors are allowed to say that occasionally--not only reaching what seem to me entirely sensible results, but defending the refusal to overrule Roe v. Wade splendidly.
As you're aware, I thought (and think) Roe was constitutionally indefensible, but overruling it now would have been a terrible mistake as well. Our society has indeed built up expectations on the basis of it, particularly as regards the aspirations of women. And falling into a pattern whereby presidents appoint justices with the essential promise that they will overrule particular cases, and then having them dutifully proceed to do so, would weaken the Court's authority immeasurably.
The nation is in your debt.
Yes, I am aware that saying nice things about Casey is politically incorrect. That's why I sent them the letter, because I knew few others would.
I don't have a well-developed theory of stare decisis, that is, of when courts should defer to precedent rather than reconsider it afresh; I'm actually not sure anyone does. My fear, of course, is that I don't think Roe should be overruled because I approve of it politically if not constitutionally, and there may indeed be something there. I also think, as the letter suggests, that Roe has contributed greatly to the more general move toward equality for women, which seems to me not only good but also in line with the central themes of our Constitution. I don't think a principled opinion along those lines could have been written at the time--"We don't know exactly how, but somehow this holding will importantly help undergird a more general movement toward women's equality, which movement is mandated by the Constitution" obviously doesn't make it--but I am clear that overruling it now would wreak havoc on that constitutionally legitimate movement.
So far as my constitutional approval of Casey's upholding of Certain laws affecting abortion is concerned, requiring a woman to reflect for twenty-four hours before getting an abortion or informing her of the costs (along with the benefits) of a abortion may reduce the likelihood that she will get one, but that strikes me as an entirely appropriate outcome, unless "pro-choice" is to become mere code for "pro-abortion." Of course, should such waiting periods be abused by pro-lifers (by either side for that matter) and become simple windows for overreaching propaganda, they will in fact not conduce to choice and thus would be properly invalidated. The extent to which they are so used seems an appropriate question for serious empirical study.
There are at least three remarkable things about this letter. One is Ely's ability to maintain different positions on different tracks -- policy, law, and precedent. Just as he had no trouble saying a decision was bad law even if it was good policy, he had no trouble saying it was good precedent even if it was bad law.
The second is that Ely apparently had no theory of stare decisis! Ely was one of the greatest constitutional scholars of his generation, of any generation, and yet had no theory of the most common and basic questions of constitutional adjudication, and doubted that anybody did. And how can one be confident that Casey is a "splendid" opinion if one does not have a theory of stare decisis, since the most controversial part of the opinion was precisely its theory of stare decisis?
If one lacks a principled theory of precedent, then decisions about precedent allow one to inject one's own policy views into constitutional adjudication, which is precisely what Ely managed to avoid doing over Roe. The third remarkable thing is that Ely nonetheless saw and was willing to admit this point. As to the accusation of results-oriented stare decisis, Ely admits "there may indeed be something there."
So as to Ely's position on Casey one can simultaneously say (1) that he was admirably principled, (2) that he may have been reading his own policy views back into the law after all, and (3) that there's no criticism of his position that he hasn't already leveled against himself.
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"If one lacks a principled theory of precedent, then decisions about precedent allow one to inject one's own policy views into constitutional adjudication, which is precisely what Ely managed to avoid doing over Roe."
"So as to Ely's position on Casey one can . . . say . . . that he may have been reading his own policy views back into the law after all"
Will,
Aren't these two statements in conflict or do I misunderstand what you mean in the former. I would agree with the latter.
He avoided doing it over Roe, but then may have done it over Casey.
Casey itself doesn't expound much of a theory of stare, other than a Kennedy-esque 'what does your heart tell you' so I don't see it as that surprising.
In fact, I find a lot of truth in the 'no one has a theory of stare' argument. Unless you count Thomas, whose theory is 'no stare' which is the degenerate case, and not followed by many.
I don't know that a lack of a principled theory requires a legal realist jurisprudence, though I do allow it makes one easier and harder to detect. But I also don't think doctrine is the key to justice or even coherent procedure.
How can one make a principled stand on 'that which I can't define - until I need to use it in favor of my policy choices?' By leaving the term undefined in the legal, as opposed to political battlefield sense, you guarantee stare's use as a political football. And lose all faith in the Supreme Court as a principled institution. We expect such out of politicians. When we get 'stare for me, but not for thee' from Supremes, we know it's all a lie.
I get the laws not men idea, but leaving room for discretion and humanity in the law has been something for quite some time - see prosecutors and administrative agencies.
The Judiciary, at least somewhat due to the cases and controversies clause, leaves loads of doctrinal gaps and functional tests. 'The totality of the circumstances' jumps out at me. Or the definition of porn. Or standing. Or how to derive fundamental rights.
I don't think you're right that you need rock-solid defined doctrine for the Court to be trusted. They are wise men dealing with hard problems - that's their institution's reputation, not procedural clarity.
Principled stands are made on "that which one can't define" every day. Some of the most fundamental concepts in human society are some of the hardest to define.
Have you ever watched the "CIVILISATION" miniseries? Kenneth Clark emphasizes that the series represents only his "personal view" of civilisation. Why only that? Well, as he explains in the first episode, try as he might he has not been able to come up with a definition of his subject : "What is civilisation? I don't know. I can't define it in abstract terms, yet. But" -- indicating Notre Dame Cathedral behind him-- "I think I can recognise it when I see it, and I'm looking at it now."
There's nothing odd about John Hart Ely saying something like: I can't define stare decisis exactly, but I think I know it when I see it.
I have a theory of stare decisis. Indeed, it's a pretty elegant one. You should follow precedents that induced extensive legitimate reliance, even if they are wrongly decided.
That's not a bright line rule, of course, because you still have to determine the extent of reliance and whether the reliance is legitimate. But it's a theory, and works well as a theory.
The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, theory works, and in practice it doesn't.
I think the real thing to dig into is this: good precedent even if it was bad law
This is an important distinction to make, and I wish we wouldn't select against judges that make it in the name of ideological consistency.
seems to me to be the Burkian sentiment worthy of serious contemplation. But speaking of serious contemplation, while I would concur with you above that Thomas is outlier I hardly think that merits degenerate. We're the revolutionaries in france degenerates or over their skis?
I mean degenerate in the mathematical sense, not some moral sense. Like a degenerate conic section, he's ostensibly part of the discussion, but not really.
His line drawing is at zero, which is a case that requires no judgement or test or consideration of the substance.
I think that what we have here is a good man trying to work through his own complexity. And ultimately failing. I think we have to respect him, because, unlike most people, at least he tries. The truth is that most - if not all - of us are inconsistent in our beliefs and arguments.
We just don't bother working through them and facing up to our own conflicts. Why try when all those assholes out there are arguing with us?
As to stare - no one believes that it should be applied consistently, if consistently means always. If it should, then there would be no rationale for dissenting opinions to be published. Because if public trust relies on adherence to precedent, why would we want rulings undermined at birth?
Stare decisis is a reasonable principle in the uncertain case. But justices do not take an oath to uphold precedent. Their oath is to the Constitution. Precedence should be a burden to be overcome by individual justices before they make their decisions, not a set of handcuffs to restrict their decision-making ability. Ours is not a common law system - we live under explicit, structural legal restraints. If you don't like it, change the Constitution by amendment.
I'd argue anyone working through their complexity and succeeding isn't really succeeding, just letting their pride get the better of their humility.
Seems like he missed the possibility that the best result would be a unanimous overruling of an egregiously bad decision. That would have avoided the legitimacy concerns. So, his letter comes off as a person searching for principle where there was none, much as Casey does.
A written constitution is in itself the precedent.
If a decision conflicts with the constitution, it MUST be discarded. No matter how old or how many people have "built up expectations on the basis of it".
No one disagrees with that, Bob. The issue is the Constitution (intentionally) includes ambiguity that allows plenty of room within the 'does not conflict with the Constitution' space.
The issue is how you navigate that wide set of potential interpretations, all of which are not in clear conflict with the Constitution.
Without allowing precedent from previous Courts to cabin such interpretations, you would get a careening idiot jurisprudence changing at the whims of whomever fate had on the court at the time.
Which is both bad policy and for the originalists out there not how the law worked in the Founding era.
Stare decisis often just keeps "idiot jurisprudence" law. Roe, most Warren Court precedent.
I'm sweeping a broad institutional argument about how the law operates and should operate as an institution. Incrementally.
You're pointing to a real small subset of the law that's your pet peeves and want a precedent that ensures you can get at them. That's not really an argument, it's just a tantrum.
Even taking it as a more serious argument than it is, the response is the same as the facile one about amendments - you don't like a precedent? Build a precedential predicate to overturn it.
Lots of examples of that happening, like sex discrimination and freedom of speech. I'd argue conservatives have done a great job attacking Roe and Casey this way.
Also, under your jurisprudence that ignores precedent, whatever you manage to undo can be redone just as easily.
Actually, I DO disagree with that, Sarcastro. One of the things the Constitution does is enact the common law system. It's even in the text of the Bill of Rights.
The framers deliberately and explicitly installed a system of judicial precedent. Indeed, that is FAR more explicit than Bob's very contested interpretations of constitutional text (or anyone's for that matter).
It seems weird to a lot of folks that precedent might be more important than what they see as the plain meaning of the text, but that's EXACTLY the system the framers enacted, and disobeying it is actually disobeying the very document the "plain meaning" people pretend to venerate.
I don't think common law is textually in the Bill of Rights, without doing some interpretation.
I agree with you on the end result [assuming you allow some plain meaning like 35 years old], I'm just not sure we agree on how to get there.
Read the Seventh Amendment. It's textually in there.
And it's in Article III as well: "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution".
What do you think "law" means in that sentence? It means the British Common Law system (and specifically, the class of cases that were adjudicated in accordance with British common law principles, as opposed to equitable principles). (And of course, go back to the Seventh Amendment, and that's the distinction there too.)
The US Constitution literally requires a precedent-based legal system.
You see how you have to do a lot of interpretation and history to get there. So it's not in the text per se.
I agree with you about British common law being the original public meaning, but that is not text, it is interpretation.
It's literally in the Seventh Amendment, Sarc. No interpretation needed, the provision refers to suits at common law.
The seventh amendment recognizes that common law cases will exist. It says nothing about the constitution being a common law document.
Do you think the government could constitutionally abolish the Seventh Amendment by dismantling the common law system and replacing it with something else, and then ending all civil jury trials?
If not, then the Seventh Amendment does, in fact, require we have a common law system.
(And of course, that's before we even get to the fact that Article III, the direct grant of judicial power, also references the common law system.)
"No one disagrees with that, Bob."
Oh, come on, plenty of people disagree with that.
No, Bob just thinks a lot of things are 'in the text' when it's not in the text.
Not even the Warren Court thought that 35 years didn't mean 35 years.
The question of what counts as speech or commerce is less clear.
"The issue is the Constitution (intentionally) includes ambiguity"
I would say that there is some intentional ambiguity, some unintentional ambiguity and some cases where people want to pretend that there is ambiguity, because they don't like what the constitution says.
Being 100% unambiguous in any human language is really difficult.
Sure, but you don't get to decide where the bad faith occurs. That's why you have to look at this institutionally, not individually.
I didn't claim I get to decide where the bad faith occurs. That doesn't mean I don't get to point it out if I think someone is claiming ambiguity where the text is clear.
If you don’t like it, change the Constitution by amendment.
Now there's a quaint concept!
I say this not to criticize you -- I would greatly prefer if that was still our way of doing things -- But I don't see how we get back there from here.
We were never there, though. The idea that there is no ambiguity in the Constitution and it's all purely directive and set in stone is just not factual.
It's not how the Court has ever operated, it's not how the British constitutional jurisprudence we based our system on operated, and it's not how the legally educated public in the Founders time understood constitutional jurisprudence to operate.
The idea isn't that there's no ambiguity in the Constitution. The idea is that it's not ambiguity all the way down, with only the Overton window to decide what you admit has a meaning you don't like.
The point is not so much about the specific level of ambiguity, it is about how was always more ways for Constitutional jurisprudence to change than amendment. Amendment is just the fastest.
If nothing else, Ely’s assessment that Roe had created settled expectations and everyone had moved on from it was seriously wrong. Look where we are today. It would be a bit like the folks who asserted Dred Scott had created settled expectations and the country had moved on from it in 1859 or so.
I'd say that Roe created settled expectations on the part of some people, but that it's a terrible candidate for constitutional 'liquidation', because it has been under continuous and vigorous attack from day one. There's never been one moment when a large fraction of the population, and yes, the legal community, didn't view it as illegitimate.
Before Roe came down, I -- in all innocence - assumed that the Court would protect the lives of innocent human beings under the 14th Amendment. When I expressed that opinion post-Roe, my colleagues assumed I must be a Roman Catholic and invited me to join several RC groups. But I'm a Protestant, and I oppose killing children, even those not yet born. What's your position on that?
"...I also think, as the letter suggests, that Roe has contributed greatly to the more general move toward equality for women, which seems to me not only good but also in line with the central themes of our Constitution. ..."
I've heard and read Constitutional defenses of the pro-choice argument(s). But I've never seen its essence distilled into one thoughtful sentence. Just shows what a brilliant writer can do. (I also was greatly persuaded by the observation that *some* regulation of abortion must be lawful...or pro-choice would be indistinguishable from pro-abortion.)
As someone who believes firmly in abortion rights (I'd pass a new constitutional ammendment if I could) but who keeps getting grief from other academics because I believe (unlike Ely) that the court should overturn Roe I can't help but wonder if he would dare express that view now if he hadn't done so already long ago. I'm a mathematician not law Prof so I can get away with it. We get to prioritize consistency over policy but I dont know if that's still allowed in the law.