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Fourth Circuit Decision Affirming Second Amendment Rights of 18-20 Year Olds Vacated as Moot
The passage of time catches up with a potentially significant gun rights decision.
In July, in Hirschfeld v. ATF, a divided panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit held that the right to keep and bear arms enshrined in the Second Amendment applies to 18-20 year olds. Observers expected the Fourth Circuit might rehear the case en banc. Instead the decision has been vacated as moot, as none of the plaintiffs are 18-to-20-years old anymore. [Here are prior posts on the case from me and Eugene.]
Judge Richardson wrote a brief opinion for the court explaining the dismissal, joined by Judge Agee. He writes:
Plaintiff Natalia Marshall, while under the age of 21, wished to purchase a handgun from a federally licensed firearms dealer and sued to challenge the constitutionality of the federal laws and regulations which prohibited her from doing so while she was 18–20 years old. A divided panel of this court found those laws violated the text, structure, history, and tradition of the Second Amendment. After the opinion issued but before the mandate, Marshall turned 21. And that made her claims moot. Despite efforts to add parties and reframe her claimed injuries, it is too late to revive this case. So it must be dismissed as moot.
Once a case is rendered moot on appeal, we customarily vacate the opinions and remand with direction to dismiss. See United States v. Munsingwear, Inc., 340 U.S. 36, 39–40 (1950); . . . After weighing the equities, we follow that custom here.
I. This case is moot
We, of course, have only the power to adjudicate "Cases" and "Controversies." U.S. Const. art. III, § 2. A "Case" or "Controversy" under Article III no longer exists "when the issues presented are no longer 'live' or the parties lack a legally cognizable interest in the outcome." . . . The case is instead moot and must be dismissed, "[n]o matter how vehemently the parties continue to dispute the lawfulness of the conduct that precipitated the lawsuit." . . . Here, Marshall challenged the prohibition on buying a handgun from a federally licensed firearms dealer while she was under 21. Once she turned 21, nothing prohibited her from buying the handgun she desired from a dealer of her choice. So her original claims are now moot.
To try to breathe new life into her claims after they became moot, Marshall alleged for the first time that she wishes to sell handguns to friends under 21. Those private sales would not typically be affected by the challenged laws and regulations. But Marshall seeks to bring those sales within this court's purview by alleging that she wishes to use a federally licensed firearm dealer to facilitate the sales (by, for example, running background checks on her friends).
This newly alleged injury was raised for the first time on appeal, and only after the case became moot, so we refuse to consider it here. A second effort to revive this case by adding new parties also fails. Surely recognizing the mootness concern, Plaintiff's attorney moved in the district court on July 24—the day before Marshall turned 21—to join new parties that might keep the case alive. But the district court lacked jurisdiction to grant the motion. Plaintiff's attorney only submitted a motion to our court on July 27, two days after Marshall turned 21. By that time, the case was moot. And we cannot grant a motion to join new parties that was filed after a case is moot. . . . So the requests to join new parties are denied. This case is moot and must be dismissed.
II. The opinions are vacated
As the case is moot and must be dismissed, the government asks that we also vacate both the panel opinions and district court opinions. This is indeed our customary practice. . . . But it is not, as once commonly thought, mandatory. . . . Rather, it is an "equitable tradition" informed by equitable reasoning. Id. In determining whether to exercise the discretion to vacate our panel decision (and that of the district court), we are "informed almost entirely, if not entirely, by the twin considerations of fault and public interest." . . .
We cannot assign fault to either party here. Marshall was bound to turn 21 in time. And though the efforts to remedy mootness came at the eleventh hour, they do not reflect any fault in Marshall's original case. So our decision turns on the public interest.
There are strong reasons to avoid vacatur here. The constitutional interests implicated and the short timeframe in which to challenge the restrictions mean there is a strong public interest in this precedent. And "[j]udicial precedents are presumptively correct and valuable to the legal community as a whole." . . .
Yet the public interest still favors vacating the opinions. To begin, our "customary practice when a case is rendered moot on appeal is to vacate the moot aspects of the lower court's judgment" and remand with directions to dismiss. . . . Adherence to our custom promotes the "orderly operation of the federal judicial system" and thus protects the public interest. . . .This course also "clears the path for future relitigation of the issues between the parties." . . . That the case became moot by happenstance also favors vacatur. . . . And we are reluctant to leave a preclusive judgment standing against a federal agency responsible for enforcing federal law while cutting off the appellate process, particularly where the panel is split in its views.
Finally, we note that the public and the "legal community as a whole," . . . will still retain some benefit from the panel opinion even if vacated, because the exchange of ideas between the panel and dissent will remain available as a persuasive source. . . .
As a result, we deny the motion to intervene or join new parties; we reject the attempt to recast Marshall's injuries; we find the case moot; we remand to the district court with directions to dismiss as moot; and we vacate the prior panel opinions and the opinions of the district court.
Judge Wynn, who dissented from the original panel decision, concurred separately.
I join my fine colleague's opinion in adhering to our usual practice of vacatur in mooted cases like this one. I write separately to emphasize that while, thanks to today's technology, all vacated opinions remain available in the public sphere, they have no legal value. . . . The outcome here is that not only is the panel opinion vacated, but the entire matter including the district court's decision is moot and therefore vacated. That is, this action from its inception is mooted.
To be sure, vacated opinions do not even bear the label of dicta. So if there is any persuasive value arising from vacated opinions, it can be no more than the value of newspaper editorials. Thus, my fine colleagues' statement that "the panel and dissent will remain available as a persuasive source" means, like newspaper editorials, readers may themselves be persuaded one way or the other by our exchanges, but these vacated opinions have no persuasive value whatsoever as to how this Court would decide this issue.
This point is especially important here, where the opinions arising from our deeply divided panel became moot before the Court's en banc process could be undertaken. It stands to reason that because the now-vacated panel majority opinion created a circuit split while overturning a fifty-year-old federal law, this matter surely met the requirements of Rule 35 for en banc review.
With that said, I join in the dismissal of this matter as moot and the vacatur of the panel opinions. Perhaps our circuit will again confront this issue, but today is not that day.
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So dick around in the courts, wait until the plaintiffs turn 21, dismiss it as moot. Rinse, repeat.
"Rinse, repeat." Isn't that layman for, "Moot, but capable of repetition"?
It's gotta be capable of repetition to the plaintiffs.
Somehow, I don't think the saying goes "justice delayed is justice mooted as incapable of repetition".
So, a law that banned 18 and 19 year olds from obtaining an abortion.....
So, a state was to ban 18 year olds from being to vote, then....
They can. The raised age wasn't a constitutional ruling but a practical law to compensate for being able to go off to war.
Then what does the 26th Amendment do?
Saves the states from the administrative nightmare that was created by Justice Black's minority-of-one-but-deciding-the-case opinion in Oregon v. Mitchell.
By the time Roe v Wade reached SCOTUS Roe had given birth, hadn't she?
Natalia Marshall has plainly suffered an injury. That the application of injury to her has ended doesn't make that injury go away.
I guess the work-around is to continually add plaintiffs?
Roe could have gotten pregnant again. These plaintiffs will never be under 21 again.
Roe was certainly not pregnant immediately after giving birth which, as I said, I believe occurred while the case was still under appeal. That she might at some time again want an abortion doesn't offer an obviously strong argument against dismissal for mootness.
You are anyway merely evading my request for a clear statement of the principle involved here. If she could be banned from buying a pistol at 20, why not at 30? Are pistol purchase bans unchallengeable if only they are for less than the amount of time it takes to get a final decision in court?
Because no law bans 30-year olds qua 30-year olds from buying pistols.
Deliberately being obtuse? The question is, suppose they DID enact a law banning 30 year olds from buying pistols? Just 30 year olds, not 29 or 31 years old.
Very unlikely that anybody would be able to complete the litigation in under a year, so it would be immune to review as a practical matter?
Unclear on the concept of capable of repetition?
I don't think the doctrine is limited to the specific parties in the case.
If this situation is able to happen again, but every time it does the plaintiff will age out, that seems to fall under the exception.
While I mostly wish it were otherwise, the Supreme Court's description of the doctrine is consistent in applying it to the same plaintiff or petitioner, rather than just being the kind of situation that can repeat. See, for example, DeFunis v. Odegaard, 416 U.S. 312 (1974).
This is presumably because courts should not limit the rights of a future plaintiff by what some previous plaintiff did or failed to do, but it is problematic in this kind of situation. That's why I compared it to Texas SB 8 earlier.
From LA v Lyons:
"[T]he capable-of-repetition doctrine applies only in exceptional situations, and generally only where the named plaintiff can make a reasonable showing that he will again be subjected to the alleged illegality."
Well, I guess I fail.
Is there a practical difference between "generally only" and "only"? Because the former suggests to me a rule of thumb, not an absolute rule.
always ask for damages. it helps avoid mootness.
Marshall didn't seek monetary damages for suffering an injury. She sought only injunctive relief. The relevant injury — her inability to buy a handgun — did go away.
This is very clearly wrong under the "capable of repetition, yet evading review" exception to the mootness doctrine.
If this court's logic were to prevail, you could do the same for any right and game it for any range of ages. If we can abrogate the rights of 18-20 year olds because they can't get a case fully resolved including every possible appeal within that three year window, we can next abrogate the rights of 21-23 year olds. They can't get it done within 3 years either. Then 24-26 year olds. Then 27-29 year olds. Continue repeating until you've violated everyone's rights but under different laws which must be individually challenged - which you can't do in the time allowed.
"This is very clearly wrong under the “capable of repetition, yet evading review” exception to the mootness doctrine."
No, 12inch is right, the plaintiff has to be personally subject to further action, like getting pregnant again. Plaintiffs here can no longer ever be affected by the policy.
So everybody is cool now with the procedural tricks of Texas's SB 8 to avoid review?
This isn't a procedural trick to avoid review. This is a standard doctrine that applies to every law. That better lawyering could have avoided.
Please reread the comment to which you are responding. Your objection was already addressed.
I will repeat that answer, in slightly different form:
If you pass separate laws forbidding the purchase of pistols from 18-19, 19-20, ...., 99-100 are they each immune from review b/c any person so prevented will graduate from the class being prevented before his case can be finally decided?
Uh, courts don't rule on the merits of laws that have yet to be enacted.
Uh, no, but those defending the opinions of those courts ought to be able to respond to objections based on scenarios that are immediately suggested by the reasoning of those opinions.
Much like an obscenity, they can't tell you when it would go too far, but they know it when they see it
The decision suggests that it would be possible to get around the three year time window by adding new plaintiffs to the case over time. You just have to be sure to add new plaintiffs in a timely fashion so there is never a period of time when the case is moot with respect to all current plaintiffs.
When would it be timely to add a new plaintiff during appeals? Or is the only requirement in this kind of case to drag things out so that all plaintiffs age out before the appeals are exhausted?
I'm not a lawyer and don't know all the procedural intricacies, but the general rule is that the courts prefer not to have multiple lawsuits litigating the same issue. So if one plaintiff sues asserting a violation of 2nd Amendment rights, and a second individual asserts that their rights are being violated in exactly the same way, the courts will want to merge the two cases. So the second individual doesn't even have to file a separate case. He can just petition to be added as a plaintiff to the existing case. The Court should accept the petition if rejecting it would result in two separate cases where the issues are identical. This is true even if the existing case has already been decided by the trial court and is being appealed.
The "cases or controversies" clause means that at all times there needs to be a plaintiff with an actual stake in the outcome, but it doesn't need to be the same plaintiff throughout the entire course of the case.
When a case is on appeal, it is too late to add a new party.
The appellate court can sit on the case for years if it wants to.
and put a 14 year old as one of your original plaintiffs.
Yes. Or they could've filed as a class action; if the representative party turned 21, they could have substituted in a different class member as class representative.
I am not sure thats true. The next plaintiffs will win. The appeals court may decide to allow the win (not stay the mandate) and allow the plaintiffs to buy a gun. I also think the next plaintiffs will find a lawyer smart enough to avoid a mootness problem by obtaining a flow of clients that keep the controversy alive. A gun rights group with 18-20 yr olds as members may even have standing.
The quoted part of Judge Wynn's concurrence is basically gloating that the next court to hear a case like this can decide whatever it wants, because this case has been wiped from the books and has no precedential value.
I'm assuming he took the "Bwah ha ha!" out after proof reading it. But you can hear it echo.
Wynn says it has the value of newspaper editorials. Hes wrong. It has the value of amicus briefs... from judges in the 4th circuit. lol.
Wynn is an idiot. If the best law school a black can get into is Marquette, you know he's borderline retarded. A black can get into Harvard with a 160 LSAT, which means you have a hard time dressing yourself in the morning.
A bit of an exaggeration, (People who are far too stupid to be lawyers often can still dress themselves!) but it's true that Marquette recently ceased even pretending to admit on the basis of merit. So they've probably just been pretending for some time now.
Right, and when you consider that blacks and hispanics already are subject to much less stringent standards at schools, that makes it even worse.
The Constitution clearly provides that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.
No limitations to age of the Citizen, or any other restriction...yet we don't allow those under 21 to purchase handguns, or under 18 to purchase long arms, and restrict felons rights in many ways...
None of which is in the Constitution..
The First Amendment doesn't mention anything about true threats, or defamation, or espionage -- yet all of those are generally accepted as valid exclusions to freedoms of speech and the press. The Constitution also only explicitly authorizes federal punishments for counterfeiting, piracy and similar ocean crimes, and treason, but that has never been seen as a prohibition on using federal prisons for other federal crimes.
I'm pretty sure the prohibition on firearm sales to minors is only for federal firearm licensees, and this specific case challenged that (relatively recent) age discrimination against 18- to 21-year-old adults.
Each of those restrictions conflicts with some other Constitutional right or duty, which makes them easily defensible.
A small age-based restriction on the ownership of a certain subset of firearms only is... harder to define as a restriction that is absolutely necessary to protecting some other right.
In light of the fact 18-26 is when most males devolve into mental illness—the age limit should be 27 for males and transgender females. So the school shootings and mass shootings are often perpetrated by young males that are mentally deranged and increasing the age limit for males could reduce mass shootings.
What age were you?
It's been clearly established that most people with mental health issues are not violent. And anyway most murders are committed by males of any age. And so called "mass" shootings are rare. But thanks for putting out false messages of fear based on nothing.
Good point—just keep guns out of the hands of all young males and you will have a safer society.
Want to reduce all shootings by 90%?
Stop allowing democrats to touch firearms.
When gun nuts are overrun by the mainstream backlash, I will be enjoying a fine beer -- and victory in the culture war.
Carry on, clingers. Guys like me will let you know how long and how far -- and you will comply.
Thank you for your continuing cooperation.
You've been posting here for a long time, evidently. And yet some day things will be different.
Good luck with that. Your kind of lunacy is past its peak.
You keep that pathetic thought. It's been over 25 years since the last piece of failed gun control legislation at the Federal level and in the meantime all 50 states have passed Concealed Carry. Soooo, that's what passes for "winning the culture war" in your world? Then by all means play on then.
This actually sort of suggests that the Democrats are overdue to charge this hill and die on it again. A whole generation of Democrats have come of age without suffering a horrific loss a the polls due to attacking the 2nd amendment.
"As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;"
That would be, "when most males who are going to become mentally ill devolve into mental illness"; Most males never do, remember. You're basically arguing pre-crime.
It never ceases to amaze me how compliant the courts are with the "let's just run out the clock" defense. It's almost like they are encouraging litigants to drag the proceeding out as long as possible. Are judges paid by the hour?
They're culturally unsympathetic to this right.
And this decision is of the "Who, whom" variety, IMHO.
Question: Could a 16 year old get started on a lawsuit, on the basis that the government has clearly stated an intention to violate her rights on a specific date in the future, and then run out the clock?
they would dismiss it on the 'front end' since she hasn't been harmed yet.
I see your point. But, in re the First Amendment, if the govt announced (for example) that, in 2024, no groups advocating X can make political contributions. I suspect that groups challenging that in 2021 would be given standing...even though there zero present-day real world harm. The current chilling effect of free speech in general sort of seems like the current chilling of gun rights. (I like the idea of reducing the number of non-military teens who own rapid-fire guns, but my personal views don't mean that I don't find this case to be laying out a puzzling legal standard. At least it's confusing to me.)
"Rapid fire guns"? This case had to do with ordinary handguns, if you're going to say it had to do with "rapid fire guns", you're basically declaring everything more advanced than a muzzle loader "rapid fire".
you’re basically declaring everything more advanced than a muzzle loader “rapid fire”
Where've you been the last 10 years?
Yeah, watching gun controllers pretend that everything more advanced than a muzzle loader is a machine gun. It's not novel, but it's still worth pointing out when it happens.
I agree a judge could try to do that.
But that can't be a general principle. Otherwise no one could appeal, say, a sentence of flogging or hanging. Before the date they could say you haven't been harmed yet and after the date it's moot.
ACA set the age of majority at 27? That’s when brains are fully developed.
So… set the voting age and handgun buying age at 27.
Dad can buy you a handgun for Christmas.
After the opinion issued but before the mandate, Marshall turned 21. ,/i>
What's "the mandate" ?
She won the case before turning 21, but then the government appealed and got the decision put on hold, and managed to drag it out until after she turned 21, so although she'd won, the government had never been ordered to comply with the ruling.
Illinois uses the same tactics often. In IL you need a permit to purchase and own a gun, and by law that permit is supposed to be issued (or denied) within 30 days of the state police receiving the application. In practice it often takes significantly longer, sometimes over a year.
Whenever they get sued, they bump the plaintiff's application to the front of the line and issue it, then file a motion to dismiss as moot, which is granted. Despite the fact that the permits expire and thus the circumstances are capable of repetition to the plaintiff (renewing also typically exceeds the statutory timelines, although the assembly passed a CYA law saying a permit doesn't expire as long as you've submitted your application to renew and it hasn't been denied)
that's bad drafting. always include a claim for damages. helps avoid mootness. sure they have various defenses and immunities, but it makes it more difficult to evade the suit.
I'm pretty sure its by design, put in a time limit to appease the pro-gun crowd, but make it unenforceable so people have to have the resources to sue to be able to exercise their rights in a timely manner
So as an alternative could an FFL bring a case? There would be capacity for repetition as any number of 18-20 year olds could come into their shop wanting to buy a handgun. The injury would be the lost sale because only FFLs are prevented from selling handguns to 18-20 year olds, a private party remains free to do so
The FFL doesn't have a 2A right to sell guns to particular people, so they would not have much of a case.
I was thinking more equal protection, since non-FFLs can legally sell to those same particular people
Anyway, two points-
1. Obviously, it is amazing (if not surprising) to see the very same people who are so happy with SB8's procedural mechanisms decrying the routine application of procedure here. Almost like most people don't care at all about the law, just about the results. Shocking, I know.
2. Of more interest is the majority's analysis, and what is alluded to in the concurring opinion. The reason why they vacated the opinion, which wasn't absolutely required (but strongly favored) is pretty simple- this opinion was from a split panel, it would have a preclusive effect on a federal agency, and it created a circuit split. And if they hadn't vacated the opinion, the simple fact that the case was moot would have prevented the likely en banc review.
Simply put- yeah, it's unfair. But the procedural screwup of the plaintiff shouldn't be used to deny the government a final appellate review, especially where, as here, it created a circuit split and the result came from a divided panel.
Yeah, it's unsatisfying. But there are sound reasons for the decision. I credit the majority for taking the correct steps, even though I know it must have been difficult for them given their opinion on the law.
The best judges are those who do the right thing.
While I agree with what it is trying to accomplish SB8 scares me. I think it is a horrible piece of legislation. It has the ability to be morphed into an attack on many other rights. IANAL but the arguments I've seen suggesting that there is no judicial mechanism to preempt SB8 seem persuasive. It appears to me that the law needs to be attacked defensively after each time someone is sued. It also seems to me that there is no real way for one 18 year old to successfully challenge the law that prevents those under 21 buying a handgun from an FFL.
I expect many on "my side" to attack this ruling because it isn't "fair" while applauding the rulings allowing SB8 to stand. I also expect many on the "other side" to applaud this ruling while attacking the court rulings allowing SB8 to stand.
I really wish more people would stick to their principles on both sides and not just be happy when a ruling is in their favor.
Also I disagree that the best judges are those who do the right thing. I think the best judges are those who follow the Constitution and the law. If the judges in this case were doing the right thing they would not have vacated the ruling. By doing so they followed the law.
To be clear- I truncated the ending part because I thought it was obvious in the context of what I wrote just before it-
The best judges are those who do the right thing, despite their personal policy preferences.
It's very easy for people to just say, "Follow the law." But very few cases are quite that easy. Most cases have ... complications. They have competing issues (doctrines, laws, etc.) that mean that judges have to apply some level of reason to the case. If the law was simply the mechanistic application of facts to principles, it would always be simple.
Just look at this case- the standard is, "Vacate the case (except when you don't)." To their credit, the majority judges did vacate. But there was no simple mechanistic application of the law.
...as for SB8- it shouldn't be an issue going forward. Traditionally, common law (aka, the law we uses) would always evolve to confront and adapt in terms of those who were too clever.
Eventually, there will be a correction.
Yes "just follow the law" is an over simplification. In this case I think that the law was followed even though there are exceptions as you noted. Also as you noted it was followed despite their opinion of the law. The judges (and partisans) I have a problem with on both sides are those who start out with a result in mind and try to find "legal" reasoning to support it. In my opinion, that's backwards. The law should be examined to determine what it says. It shouldn't be "massaged" to fit a result. Unfortunately too many on both sides are results oriented instead of "law oriented",
Hit the submit button too soon. I wanted to end with:
A results oriented approach leads all too often to discarding principles on both sides.
Agreed, I think SB8 is in a good cause, but this work-around for defeating phony constitutional rights would be as effective against real ones. Perhaps more so, because the phony ones are better protected by the judiciary; Everyone is protective of their own baby, after all, and Roe and Obergefell are the judiciary's own creation, not mere enumerated rights like the 2nd.
The problem at this point is, even if the Supreme court were ready to overturn Roe, how do you get a test case to them past the lower courts that are obligated to uphold the existing precedent? That's what SB8 is meant to accomplish, but it's a very dangerous tool.
"even if the Supreme court were ready to overturn Roe, how do you get a test case to them past the lower courts that are obligated to uphold the existing precedent?"
You appeal to SCOTUS after the appellate court rules against you. That's how the appeals process has worked for over 2 centuries. The unique enforcement mechanism of SB8 isn't intended to get the court to overturn Roe, its intended to drive doctors and clinics out of business before the case gets resolved
Judge Wynn is certainly bringing out his inner asshole.