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California Bill Would Ban "Protest Activities" Within 300 Feet of Vaccination Site
But people have as much right to protest vaccination sites as they do to protest factories, stores, or abortion clinics.
It's SB742, and it has passed both the Senate Appropriations and Public Safety Committees:
(a) It is unlawful, except upon private property, for a person to engage in physical obstruction, intimidation, or picketing targeted at a vaccination site during the time period beginning one hour prior to the vaccination services beginning, and ending one hour after the conclusion of the vaccination services.
(b) A violation of subdivision (a) is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, or by both that fine and imprisonment….
(1) "Intimidation" means to place a person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm to themselves or to another.
(2) "Physical obstruction" means rendering ingress to or egress from a vaccination site, or rendering passage to or from a vaccination site, unreasonably difficult or hazardous to another person.
(3) "Picketing," for purposes of this section only, means protest activities engaged in by a person within 300 feet of a vaccination site.
(4) "Targeted at" means directed at or toward a person seeking, receiving, or providing vaccination services.
(5) "Vaccination services" means the medical service of administering to an individual a dose of vaccine or other immunizing agent.
(6) "Vaccination site" means the physical location where vaccination services are provided, including, but not limited to, a hospital, physician's office, clinic, or any retail space or pop-up location made available for vaccination services.
I can't see how on picketing the ban could be constitutional, given that McCullen v. Coakley (2014) struck down a much narrower (35-foot) bubble zone around abortion clinics. Nor does Burson v. Freeman (1992), which upheld a ban on electioneering within 100 feet of polling places, justify the law; indeed, the Court in McCullen distinguished Burson on grounds that would equally apply here:
[R]espondents' reliance on our decision in Burson v. Freeman is misplaced…. We approved the buffer zones as a valid prophylactic measure, noting that existing "[i]ntimidation and interference laws fall short of serving a State's compelling interests because they `deal with only the most blatant and specific attempts' to impede elections." Such laws were insufficient because "[v]oter intimidation and election fraud are … difficult to detect." Obstruction of abortion clinics and harassment of patients, by contrast, are anything but subtle.
We also noted in Burson that under state law, "law enforcement officers generally are barred from the vicinity of the polls to avoid any appearance of coercion in the electoral process," with the result that "many acts of interference would go undetected." Not so here…. The buffer zones in Burson were justified because less restrictive measures were inadequate. Respondents have not shown that to be the case here.
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Because most politicians cannot, or do not want to, do the mental exercise of "what if this law was aimed against my views."
They don't care. Norms, precedent, principles don't matter to the regime. All that matters is power. "Principled conservatives" keep falling for this, and each time fail to conserve anything. Just look at Connecticut. Prosecutors are still charging public ridicule with impunity.
Violence and fear of violence are the only forces the regime respects — not courts, not lols, not even elections. Until enough people wake up and start taking action, our decline into a third world slum will only accelerate.
I have to ask why the concern about vaccine protesting???
Good point
Who is going to protest at a vaccination site?
What is there to protest?
It’s like who is going to care
Like the delusional white supremacy
There was already an existing industry of vaccine protest movements before the pandemic. It was mostly on the left.
The right has now co-opted or supplanted this movement, fanned by the likes of Naomi Wolf, Tucker Carlson, and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
I'm in a pretty right-wing area, and I have seen literally no anti-vax protests at all.
It's true that there is a certain amount of doubt about these vaccines on the right, some of it justified, some of it not, but you'd likely only see anti-vax protests on the right if the government tried to make them mandatory. So long as vaccination is voluntary, people on the right have no particular motive to protest vaccination sites.
I am in a very left wing area (CA) and I have not seen or heard about any antivax activities
"So long as vaccination is voluntary, people on the right have no particular motive to protest vaccination sites."
Almost like someone is planning to make it *not* voluntary...
Don't be so paranoid........ yet.
The old classic, "Just because you're paranoid..." applies here.
Once you establish that people can't protest anywhere near a vaccine site,
1) You've established you can create protest free zones. You can start experimenting with new ones. (Same reason gun bans start out small and arbitrary: The goal is just a foot in the door at first.)
2) Worst comes to worst, you just set up a vaccine site wherever you don't want protests.
because it implies there is a problem. it lets them paint which ever group they choose in a bad light.
Exactly. Until some patriot starts taking these people out, it'll never stop. Not that I'd support violence though of course.
The guy who's holding a gun on you isn't concerned with, "What if the next time you're holding the gun?". Because he figures on shooting you, after which that scenario isn't possible.
The very point of laws restricting political speech is to make sure the tables never do get turned.
I agree its a problem with most politicians, but progressives are particularly bad at it
Expect for there to be "prosecutorial discretion" with this law. If it's a BLM protest protest, it won't be prosecuted.
Considering that a number of abortion clinics also give vaccinations, I believe this to be a workaround to bank anti-abortion protestors.
Those hypothetical double standards are the worst.
Fuck you.
Loser, with such eloquence you'll convince no one
What's hypothetical about abortion clinics giving vaccinations?
The fact is that this is much more restrictive than limitations on abortion clinic protests, and abortion clinics really DO give vaccinations, and where they didn't, could start doing it.
So, since there's basically no vaccination site protesting going on, this really DOES look like a backdoor way to exploit the late pandemic to bar protests near abortion clinics. And anywhere else, essentially, because it's really easy to set up a vaccination site.
I was replying to Armchair Lawyer, Brett.
OK, but that's not terribly hypothetical, either, after the last year.
You continue to think violent protesters from last summer aren't being prosecuted? I and DMN both linked you articles about the many ones who are being charged.
Yes, I continue to think they disproportionately aren't being prosecuted, even if there are occasional exceptions.
And "charged" doesn't mean "prosecuted".
Almost Half of Federal Cases Against Portland Rioters Have Been Dismissed
Meanwhile, many protesters from January 6th who are likely facing nothing more than trespassing charges, are rotting in solitary confinement.
What Constitution? People held after Jan. 6 Capitol incident, some not charged with a crime, still being held in solitary confinement
Has California shown any less use of prosecutorial discretion than, say, Oregon or Washington or Wisconsin or Denver or Minneapolis or NYC or Philadelphia or Boston?
Take this for example: https://wkow.com/2021/04/16/prosecutors-offer-no-jail-time-to-women-accused-in-attack-on-state-senator/ . Some people might have strong names for a group of people committing a felonious assault on a legislator. Dane County's DA suggests we call it no big deal.
Neato anecdote, you're angry about. Neither you nor I know why prosecutors try a given case and plead out another. Won't stop you from telepathy-ing your way into liberal bias.
Your own crap speculation doesn't make the crap hypothetical double standard of AL any less hypothetical.
No wonder people call you Gaslighto. We know why these prosecutors give easy plea bargains to the people they agree with, while throwing the book at conservatives. They trumpet it from the rooftops: they think it's important to be able to illegally detain people, riot, loot, commit arson, violate curfew, and assault people when pushing a left-wing-approved message.
Michael,
Have you ever worked in a prosecutor's office?
You do know that there are overwhelmingly more cases to handle than get prosecuted in court. Therefore one tries to plea bargain as many as possible, especially if the case is not a clear winner.
What's hypothetical?
We've had an entire year plus of BLM protests that have been ignored prosecutorially... Or given the lightest hand possible.
Imagine if the BLM protests were treated like the Capital protest was?
Unarmed protestors shot and killed. Protestors subjected to identification, then whisked off half a country away to sit in solitary confinement for months, without a trial. Except when they're put in general population and beaten severely.
BLM protests that have been ignored prosecutorially
Jesus, you're still on this nonsense.
Protesting is not against the laws. Vandals and thieves have certainly been prosecuted.
Protestors subjected to identification, then whisked off half a country away to sit in solitary confinement for months, without a trial.
This is how our criminal justice system works. It happened this summer, as well as after the insurrection (Capitol protest my ass)
You're just in denial here, Sarcastro. The difference in treatment between BLM/Antifa rioters and the January 6ths rioters is grossly obvious, and especially egregious considering that the former were usually charged with violent offenses, and the latter mostly with just trespassing.
"At least 28 are accused of committing conspiracy, one of the most serious charges brought. At least 86 are accused of committing acts of violence, particularly against police. At least 39 are suspected of causing property damage, like breaking windows or doors to gain entry to the building. At least 27 are accused of theft, like the man photographed carrying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's lectern or one woman who allegedly took a laptop from Pelosi's office."
And yet Sarcastr0 refuses to say about them that it's not illegal to protest, that Electoral Processes Matter, etc.
I'd say "I wonder why", but it's pretty obvious why.
There was plenty of nonviolent protest on Jan 06. Those people are wrongheaded, but fine.
It's the ones that broke into the Capitol hunting Senators and screwing with Federal property that committed crimes.
Let's be clear: I'm generally dubious about conspiracy charges, since they're a convenient way to charge people on the basis of something somebody else did.
But, yeah, I'm down with treating anybody charged with real crimes on January 6th as harshly as people who were charged with real crimes during last year's riots were treated. How many of the latter got solitary confinement while awaiting hearings on their charges?
Just FYI...
NPR actually created a database.
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories
Indeed. Let's highlight one case.
Lisa Eisenhart. Her charges "Obstruction of an Official Proceeding; Restricted Building or Grounds; Violent Entry or Disorderly Conduct; Aiding and Abetting"
This is stuff that EASILY gets people released on bail, and it often just misdemenor stuff.. Instead, Lisa's been whisked hundreds of miles away from her home, and kept in solitary confinement for months. Without even a guilty verdict. This is unbelievable. If it happened to BLM protestors, liberals would be screaming....
Calm down.
She was released in March.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/eric-munchel-lisa-eisenhart-released-riot/2021/03/29/7c9eacd6-90bb-11eb-a74e-1f4cf89fd948_story.html
Solitary confinement...for months....without a even a guilty verdict? Half a continent away from their family? For what reason? There's no violent history. No real flight risk.
They should be allowed out on bail. Or at a bare maximum in a low security federal prison near their home.
How would Sarcastro like it, if his son was picked up by the police, then transferred to Alaska, for Solitary Confinement for 5 months and counting...without even a trial. Gosh, your son might even plead guilty just to get out of it.
I think we need criminal justice reform.
I'm just not special pleading about it like you are.
In certain circumstances, protesting can be against the law. When it breaks curfew, or breaks down into violence
In Portland however, 91% of arrests for the protests (and there needs to be a reason for it) made are just dismissed...
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/493642-396291-91-of-portland-protest-arrests-not-being-prosecuted
"This is how our criminal justice system works"
No...it's not typically.
USUALLY non-serious crimes like these (like trespassing) have people released on bail, pretty easily. It's extremely rare for people to be arrested, whisked off halfway across the country, held without bail, in solitary confinement....all before their trial. Even WARREN is critical of these practices. And being held that way for MONTHS....without even a guilty verdict?
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/19/capitol-riot-defendants-warren-483125
This is police-state stuff designed to oppress political enemies.
Your are correct. All one has to do is read their local newspapers to see that people involved in violet actions last summer are being prosecuted. I pointed out in comments to an earlier story, that just last week a person in Madison pleaded to arson charges stemming from the summertime violence.
The fact is that peaceful protestors from last summer or those attending the Mall event will not be prosecuted. Violent protesting is wrong whenever and it will be punished.
Some are being prosecuted. We're not alleging that nobody is being prosecuted, but instead that the bar for pursuing charges has been raised unreasonably. "Just" smashed windows, or looted a store? Not worth acting on. They have you dead to rights on arson of an occupied building? Maybe that will see some action.
There was arson in DC on January 6th? Where?
What days don't they have arson in DC ?
"Vaccination site" means the physical location where vaccination services are provided, including, but not limited to, a hospital, physician's office, clinic, or any retail space or pop-up location made available for vaccination services."
This means that if a CVS or Walgreens location provides vaccination, then ANY protest is illegal, even if it has nothing to do with the vaccine. For example, a labor protest, or a protest against drug pricing policies, for example.
That is another First Amendment problem.
I particularly like that it extends to an hour before and after the vaccination services. So, as written, you could just give 12 jabs a day to grant your business complete immunity to protests, you'd just have to space them out properly. Very handy if this was constitutional.
Doesn't the site merely need to "offer" vaccines during certain hours?
I don't see a requirement that anyone actually chooses to get a jab at the site.
Perhaps a site that wanted to inoculate themselves at all hours from all protests could offer flu shots but not take insurance and charge $10,000 per shot. Presumably they would need to have someone qualified to give the shots on site, but maybe the shots would be given "by advance appointment any time of day or night, pay in advance, no refunds for missing an appointment" (which,of course, no one would actually make) and have the qualified person there only during scheduled appointments.
(I meant all vaccine/vaccination related protests)
(a) has the following exception;
except upon private property
How many vaccinations sites are on public property?
Even the mass sites at stadiums and whatnot are privately owned. The public street is far from where anything is happening. Maybe less is happening 300 feet further away from that, but not much less.
That exception relates to where the protest occurs, not where the vaccination site is.
Which means if you want to have a protest on your own property you aren't allowed to...
No, it means the opposite. The law does not apply where the protest is held on private property. If I own a supermarket next to a vaccination site, I can allow protestors on my property to protest the vaccine site.
Ah.....Thank you for making that one clear = If I own a supermarket next to a vaccination site, I can allow protestors on my property to protest the vaccine site.
"This means that if a CVS or Walgreens location provides vaccination, then ANY protest is illegal, even if it has nothing to do with the vaccine. For example, a labor protest, or a protest against drug pricing policies, for example."
No, it doesn't mean this.
(4) "Targeted at" means directed at or toward a person seeking, receiving, or providing vaccination services.
It's still stupid, but no, it does not preclude any and all protesting. Only vaccination related protests.
So it's also content based. That's actually LESS constitutionally defensible, you realize?
I was not defending it. Merely pointing out that the assertion I responded to was incorrect.
As I said "It’s still stupid".
No, you are wrong. If CVS is conducting a vaccinaton clinic, then it is a "person . . . providing vaccination services."
If a protest targets CVS, it violates the statute, regardless of the motivation or content of the protest. If the demonstration protests CVS's labor practices, it is still targeted at CVS.
Or to give a more realistic example, if an abortion clinic has a vaccination section, then a protest directed at the abortion clinic would be included in the statute. Even if the content of the protest is to protest abortion, not vaccinations.
Especially in CA I find it very hard to believe that a clear labor protest would be disrupted by police
Ignorant and hateful people are given great latitude to harm innocent people and children, under current Supreme Court jurisprudence. So yes, in this era of McCullen, this law will be struck down.
Is there a plague of protests targeting vaccination sites? I mean I've heard of a couple protests. But they seem fairly rare given the global nature of the pandemic. Are these protests anywhere near covering every single corner drug store and supermarket where you can get the vaccine? How many dumb people are out there that are so weakwilled they'll happen to be unlucky enough to stumble on one of these dreaded protests and be so intimidated they cant bring themselves to go to one of the 10 trillion other vaccination sites in the area?
There was at least one site early in the vaccination deployment in California that was shut down for part of a day due to anti-vax protesters (although, from what I could tell, that was an overreaction as the protesters didn't seem to be chaining themselves across access driveways or anything like that).
captmanufacturedcrisis
Blah blah blah
What a meaningless reply. But when do you ever show sensitivity to 1st A issues when they conflict with your politics
But Eugene ... we have a public health emergency. Those arcane laws of yesteryear don't apply under these exigent circumstances.
Forget the Covid 19 vaccine for a moment. There is a substantial anti vaxx movement among good California progressive mothers along the coast line. They fear that vaccinating little Johnny for measles or whatever may cause autism. So school districts in "woke" areas--or more properly private schools in woke areas are seeing vaccine resistance. It's not like these ladies are going to step down from their Range Rovers and BMWs to actually walk a picket line--but they are opposed to vaccines.
As usual Sacramento swamp dwellers fail to think things through.
"As usual Sacramento swamp dwellers fail to think things through."
What else could you expect in a one-party state?
Pointless Democrat tyranny. They are just annoying, and make no difference.
"law enforcement officers generally are barred from the vicinity of the polls"
That's odd. Tennessee must be a very different place from NY. I'm a poll worker here in NY, and the police are an inherent part of how elections are run. They deliver the keys to the scanners in the morning, pick up the ballot boxes and electronic drives at night, and there is always at least one policeman on duty at each polling place throughout the day.
I've seen multiple cases where Democrats alleged that having police visible near a polling site was a form of vote suppression. Even having them on a major route to one. Apparently Democrats think a substantial fraction of their electorate are phobic about police.
Brett, depending on the election, a swing-vote sized fraction of the Democratic electorate are phobic about the police, and with good reason. The phobia is multiplied—with good reason—when the suggestion is that those phobic people must go into the presence of the police and unambiguously identify themselves.
People who live disorganized lives, and who have upon their records infractions of law, petty and otherwise, will usually not think the power of their vote is as important to them as avoiding giving the cops a free chance to identify them. That, of course, is the principle right wingers rely upon when they attempt to suppress voting with unneeded voter ID requirements. And of course it works.
We do not generally treat phobias as a basis for crafting public policy, phobias are, by definition, irrational fears, and public policy should not have any irrational basis.
Yes, I can see how a criminal might not want to pass by a police officer and then identify themselves. I especially do not think public policy should be crafted to make life convenient for criminals. "If criminals had to provide ID to vote, they might not vote!" is NOT a very persuasive argument against voter ID, once you make it explicit.
Sounding convincing to me.
It's not even "criminals" as much as fugitives from justice, i.e. persons with outstanding arrest warrants. One of the reasons why urban shopping malls are (or once were) popular with young people is because they hire detail officers and hence the troublemakers "with a lot of paper on them" stay away.
Hence having a police presence at the polls (and Massachusetts also does) makes it *more* likely that other members of the same community (e.g. elderly Black grandmothers) will feel safe to go vote. Conversely, in some parts of Philadelphia, it's not unusual to have to transverse a line of Black Panthers to enter the polling place -- and that discourages voting....
Interesting this is sufficient to override speech and protesting near an election site.
Hmmm. If we can't take our fraud and intimidation to the voting site, because it's so hard to detect, maybe we can take the voting out of there straight to the voter.
The law is probably unneeded now. Overturn it.
If for some crazy reason, during a public health emergency more urgent than Covid-19, systematic protests against vaccination actually burden efforts to save lives, then ignore the courts and use emergency powers to block the protests. However, it is scarcely credible that such an exigency would ever arise.
Real harm will not ensue unless courts attempt to assert as a general principle that personal rights preclude use of emergency powers to save lives during a public health emergency. It is unclear whether that is the thrust of EV's advocacy. If that is what EV intends, and it does happen, the harm will more likely be to the courts than otherwise. During a public health emergency which threatens to kill a substantial fraction of everyone, the public will not stand for anything less than the maximum protection the force of government can provide, regardless of rights.
The quirkiness of Covid-19—and especially its tendency to spare most of the population—makes it a misleading context for thinking about emergency powers. These discussions would be better cast in a context of response to weaponized smallpox.
Why assume it would have to be some crazy reason? I don't see the basis for automatically assuming the protesters are wrong. Especially in the context of government asserting emergency powers.
Just drop this assumption that the government is always going to be in the right, doing the right thing for benign motives. That's not a reasonable real world assumption.
"Hard cases make bad law."; You seem to regret that Covid wasn't bad enough to create harder cases that would make worse law. That it was actually a mild enough disease that the courts weren't willing to toss civil liberties out the window.
About a year ago, I noted the powers that be were goalpost shifting from safety to "flatten the curve", to prevent overwhelming ICUs, to building a meme it was about saving your life, you, right there.
"Keep the fragile safe and wait for herd immunity one way or the other" does not support massive rights restrictions.
But scaring you it's about saving your life does. In short, outside the ICU context, this emergency justifies nothing.
"is probably unneeded now."
So, the fact that it is a 1A violation on its face, means nothing to you?
The remainder of that post is blah-blah defending executive overreach.
"the public will not stand for anything less than the maximum protection the force of government can provide, regardless of rights. "
Sounds like a great excuse for tyranny.
This bill should not pass and it seems like there's been only a handful on times anti-vaxxers were active.
"(State Sen. Richard) Pan, (D-Sacramento, the bill's sponsor) was physically assaulted by an anti-vaccine activist in 2019, being shoved in the back on a Sacramento street. Another incident in the state Senate chambers last June saw a woman throw a cup of menstrual blood from the gallery, splashing several legislators below.
A vaccine site at Los Angeles’ Dodger Stadium temporarily shut down after the presence of protesters.
The Jan. 30 event was closed for about an hour. There were no arrests and the event was called peaceful. The group did not attempt to block entrance into the site.
(In early March 2021), a vaccine site at Golden Gate Fields in Berkeley was shut down with protesters 'citing dozens of horse deaths over the past year as well as widespread COVID-19 outbreaks among workers at the track' according to ABC 7 in San Francisco."
Again, this bill should just die.
https://gvwire.com/2021/03/09/does-california-bill-limiting-vaccine-protests-violate-first-amendment/
Non-lawyer/non-policy maker here, but an interested observer. Allow me to observe that your system of governance is WIDE OPEN to scope creep. The private sector has a limit on how much time and money we can spend, so we can always push back on this kind of mismanagement. You in the public sector don't have any defense at all. At most, the creepers need to just wait out an election cycle or two, and they're back in business.
So you need to kill these laws that are essentially just back doors to misuse as a matter of policy. Kill them like you would exterminate a dangerous bug infestation. Kill them with a vengeance.
Because if you don't you WILL be overrun. Look around you, at the gargantuan, bloated administrative state. Your failure to insist on tight law-making is what brought on this beast.
And it's hungry.
Edulekh
I think this should not pass!
Some judges are willing to grant abortion-related injunctions before the law goes into effect. Go shopping for one of those if you care. Otherwise the law will be irrelevant before the courts get around to ruling.
Is there really enough of a problem here with protesters to warrant this solution? I kind of doubt it is the case.
Like I said above, it's like the '94 AWB: There wasn't really any problem with those guns they banned, rifles in general are used in a tiny fraction of gun crimes, and fancy 'assault weapons' even fewer. It wasn't meant to address a problem, it was meant to get a foot in the door, so that the door could later be wedged open further and further.
First you establish that you can act arbitrarily in a case judges might be sympathetic about, then you can rely on the precedent in cases where you'd need a precedent to persuade them, the cases you really wanted to take action on.
This is the same: Nobody is having trouble with protests at vaccination sites, but they think that they might be able to leverage judges making exceptions to civil liberties for pandemic reasons as the thin edge of the wedge, and later hammer it in to spread the restrictions to the protests they really want to ban.
Have there been protests at vaccine sites?
How about banning immigration by Martians?
There were reports of people blocking traffic and preventing people from entering a while back.
It’s a real problem. But the state could easily come up with a more narrowly tailored way to address it.
Yes: ban people from blocking traffic and preventing people from entering.
"It is unlawful, except upon private property, for a person to engage in physical obstruction, intimidation, or picketing targeted at a vaccination site during the time period beginning one hour prior to the vaccination services beginning, and ending one hour after the conclusion of the vaccination services."
It comes as something of a surprise that physical obstruction isn't generally illegal to start with. With exceptions for toddlers toddling towards sixty foot drops, and so on.
Both physical obstruction and intimidation are generally illegal, unless very mild. (I can stand still on the sidewalk without committing a crime.) "picketing" is what the bill is actually aimed at, obstruction and intimidation were thrown in to imply that picketing was of the same nature.
Science-disdaining, half-educated, lethally reckless, belligerently ignorant, superstitious, anti-social, can't-keep-up Americans have rights, too.
As do pseudo-intellectual loudmouths who appear to say much and in reality say nothing.
From the same guy who complained universities didn't punish their students for heckling right wing speakers.