The Volokh Conspiracy
Mostly law professors | Sometimes contrarian | Often libertarian | Always independent
Can California Employee Be Fired for Attending the Jan. 6 Protest at the Capitol?
California statutes suggest the answer may be no, so long as the firing is based on the political activity, and not on criminal conduct.
In Snyder v. Alight Solutions, LLC (filed yesterday), Leah Snyder claims that her employer fired her on these grounds. Here is what she alleges in the Complaint:
She listened to speeches being made and walked to the Capitol, and then she left. She did not participate in any rioting, she did not observe any rioting, and she did not hear of any injuries to persons or damages to property during her peaceful visit. On return home, she posted two "selfies" with her friends and at least one smiling police officer in front of the Capitol to a comment thread on the social media of Sean Armstrong. She believed she was engaging in a debate over the nature and scope of a protest at the Capitol….
On January 6, 2021, while on paid time off from work, she visited Washington, D.C. She and perhaps as many as one million other people, listened to speeches made by the President of the United States and other important persons. Plaintiff is not a zealous adherent of any system of beliefs. Her impression of the speeches was that the assembled people were being asked to peacefully show their support for the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law while presenting their displeasure with vote counting procedures during the recent national election. At the conclusion of the speeches, she joined a group of people who were peacefully walking to the Capitol. She reached the Capitol, took several "selfies" with friends, and at least one with a smiling police officer in the background. She did not cross or see any barricades. She did not see nor participate in any rioting. She did not enter the Capitol. She did not observe or hear of any injuries to persons or damages to property. She was not arrested and she did not see anyone who was arrested. On occasion, when she encountered police officers, she inquired if walking with the other members of the crowd was legal, and each time, the officers responded that what she was doing was legal. After spending some time at the Capitol, she left and went home.
She claims she was then fired because of those actions.
If her allegations are correct, then the employer likely violated California Labor Code §§ 1101-02. Those statutes (enacted in 1937) provide,
No employer shall make, adopt, or enforce any rule, regulation, or policy:
(a) Forbidding or preventing employees from engaging or participating in politics or from becoming candidates for public office.
(b) Controlling or directing, or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees.
No employer shall coerce or influence or attempt to coerce or influence his employees through or by means of threat of discharge or loss of employment to adopt or follow or refrain from adopting or following any particular course or line of political action or political activity.
[1.] In Gay Law Students Ass'n v. Pac. Tel. & Tel. Co. (Cal. 1979):, the California Supreme Court made clear that "These statutes cannot be narrowly confined to partisan activity" (unlike some more narrowly written statutes in other cases, that are limited to activity related to parties or elections):
"The term 'political activity' connotes the espousal of a candidate or a cause, and some degree of action to promote the acceptance thereof by other persons." The Supreme Court has recognized the political character of activities such as participation in litigation, the wearing of symbolic armbands, and the association with others for the advancement of beliefs and ideas.
Going to a political demonstration would thus be covered.
[2.] The statute seems to be limited to actions pursuant to a "rule, regulation, or policy"; and the California Supreme Court has defined "policy" as "[a] settled or definite course or method adopted and followed" by the employer. But, as the Louisiana Supreme Court held, interpreting a similar statute, "[T]he actual firing of one employee for political activity constitutes for the remaining employees both a policy and a threat of similar firings." And such firing tends to coerce other employees: "[T]he actual firing of one employee for political activity constitutes for the remaining employees both a policy and a threat of similar firings" (I quote again the Louisiana case).
This is especially for large companies these days, in which employment decisions have become much more formalized and bureaucratized (in part because the process of hiring and firing has become a highly legally regulated activity). It seems unlikely to me that the employer (which apparently has 15,000 employees) will say, "Nope, this was just a one-off decision, we might well handle other employees completely differently"; generally, part of its argument would indeed be that there's some policy that this 20-year employee has violated, which is why she was fired. This might be why some recent California cases have basically treated these sections as generally applicable to firings based on political activity, e.g.,
If plaintiff was fired for his particular political perspective, affiliation or cause of favoring Proposition 8 or being against same-sex marriage, so that it may be inferred that (as plaintiff alleged) Safeway was in effect declaring that the espousal or advocacy of such political views will not be tolerated—then Safeway's action constituted a violation of Labor Code sections 1101 and 1102.
Ali asserts he was fired not because the content of his articles contravened the editorial policies or standards of the newspaper, but because outside of the workplace he publicly criticized an influential public official for supporting a particular political candidate. Whether Ali can ultimately prove all the elements of his claim, he has submitted sufficient evidence of a public policy violation to survive a motion for summary judgment
[3.] Now a California employer is free to fire employees because they committed crimes, or even because it believes they committed crimes, apart from their political activity. If, for instance, Alight the employer fires anyone who it has reason to think were engaged in a riot or vandalism, that isn't itself firing for political activity.
But Snyder's allegation is that she didn't commit any crimes. And to the extent that the employer inferred that she must have committed crimes based simply on her attendance at the Capitol protest, I think that has to be treated as a restriction on political activity.
[4.] Naturally, all of this would equally apply to people attending any sort of protest, left-wing, right-wing, or otherwise: e.g., an anti-police-brutality protest at which some of the protesters engaged in vandalism or arson, an anti-abortion protest at which some of the protesters illegally blocked entrances to an abortion clinic, an anti-globalization protest at which some of the protesters violated the law, or anything else along those lines.
Editor's Note: We invite comments and request that they be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of Reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
Yeah, this seems a no-brainer, under the facts alleged.
I'd hope no one is claiming everyone who went to the protests in DC invaded the Capitol.
No. Of course everyone who went to the protests didn't invade the Capitol.
On the other hand, laws like that, and lawsuits like that, are exactly why California is hell for employers. 😉
It will be interesting to see how people who are usually all, "Boo, California is terrible" react to this. With consistency, I am sure.
Boo, California is terrible and any private company operating there is getting what it deserves.
Perhaps! Of course, she is a remote employee. So ....
I am in Texas, so I can fire anyone for no reason at all, subject to the limitations such as age sex discrimination.
I would certainly fire anyone that committed a crime, and would almost certainly fire an employee whose political activity that rose to a level that caused disruption in my business. I have had employees on the far end of both sides the political spectrum, though they were all professional and did not cause any disruption.
The issue that I have problem with, which Loki pointed out, is that you could claim the employee may have committed a crime and therefore fire the employee simply because of their political beliefs.
Same with a person who is sypmtomthatic to the BLM cause or to alleged allegations of voter fraud and was simply observing the protests
Here's come consistency for you. I would like to see the government stay out of the employer / employee relationship (provided it's a private employer). In this particular case, that would, unfortunately, mean no recourse for the plaintiff.
Apparently the FBI is -- they are allegedly interviewing everyone who went down there....
"Now a California employer is free to fire employees because they committed crimes, or even because it believes they committed crimes, apart from their political activity. If, for instance, Alight the employer fires anyone who it has reason to think were engaged in a riot or vandalism, that isn't itself firing for political activity.
But Snyder's allegation is that she didn't commit any crimes. And to the extent that the employer inferred that she must have committed crimes based simply on her attendance at the Capitol protest, I think that has to be treated as a restriction on political activity."
So here is the problem.
Employer: You were terminated because of a reasonable belief that you committed a crime.
Employee: But I didn't commit a crime.
....and? Every single person who commits a crime is going to say that. That's kind of the whole point- the employer doesn't have to prove it. The employer just has to BELIEVE it.
This is not a question of being either sympathetic or unsympathetic to the claim, but instead why I think that California's law is utter crud.
That doesn't seem like much of a problem. They can't use the fact that you engaged in political activity to infer that you committed a crime any more than they can use the fact that you're a Muslim to infer that you engaged in terrorism.
Why don't you engage in conversation with someone who cares? Which is no one.
She provided in the complaint a photo of herself beyond the police barricade, and thus proving she committed a crime.
"She did not cross or see any barricades."
Where are you getting that?
“She didn’t see or cross any barricades”
Quit being so hateful to people that disagree with you. Or in this case you think might disagree with you. It doesn’t reflect well on you that you want to make something up to justify trauma for a complete stranger.
You're talking about the complaint linked in the first paragraph of the article, right? And I assume you're talking about one of the two pictures on page 5?
If so, I'd like to know what you're smoking because there's no barricade visible in either photo, much less any evidence that she is beyond it.
Yeah I guess there’s no presumption of innocence built into this thing.
But wouldn’t the employers belief need to be reasonably well founded? Otherwise that idea pretty much eviscerates the law. Doesn’t it?
Given how many employees in retail are fired because their boss "believe" that the employee is stealing from the till, without any criminal charges ever being filed (or, indeed, the cops ever being called) I think it's well established that such principles do not apply to private employment.
Or to put it another way... if you want such strong presumptions of innocent and job protection, you kind of need to join a union. The law, in no state, provides that level of due process by default.
In fairness, it's tough to balance at will employment (i.e. "you can be fired whenever we want") with employee non-discrimination rules (i.e. "you cannot be fired for THESE reasons").
As you say, being not-at-will is the best actual protection.
Nevermoor comment - "As you say, being not-at-will is the best actual protection."
As an employer, I can attest that hiring individual as "not - At - will" makes it much more difficult to terminate a bad employee and reduces employment opportunities. I am in Texas which is at will employment. I sponsored an employee under and H1 visa which is a quasi variation of a contract employment (not-at-will, my apologies for the incorrect term). The employer restrictions on termination made it difficult to discipline her for performance issues, absinteeism, etc.
the effect is that there is a huge disincentive to hire if there are restrictions on termination.
Sure. As an employer, your incentive is to maximize control. The comment above, though, was observing that the ordinary at-will relationship leaves precious little protection for employees (which is true).
That's why it is also true, as someone else posted, that virtually all non-at-will jobs these days are high-comp (where the person individually has the leverage to force rights), union (same, but only collectively), or programs like you reference where laws require limitations on termination.
I've heard of such employees being very successful with libel suits.
No, you haven't.
Dr Ed, of course, hears many things. In his head!
The general rule is as follows:
Employer fires employee. Let's say, arguendo, it's for theft.
If the Employer communicates that to employee, and/or to other employees, it's likely not defamation. Because there will be either be a qualified privilege (you are allowed to communicate within your organization) or it will be considered non-publication (depends on the jurisdiction).
If the Employer communicates it during a "proceeding" or in relation to that proceeding (ex., unemployment compensation hearing), it is absolutely privileged, and no liability will attach.
So the real issue is generally AFTER an employee is terminated. In other words, what is said when Acme Corp. calls up and says, "Hey, I saw that Louie Lightfingers listed you on his resume. Can you tell me why he left?"
There is a standard, but it isn't "reasonably well founded."
This is basic CA employment discrimination law, and there is a well-established framework. Basically, she needs to make a prima facie case that she was terminated for an illegal reason (ordinarily, we are talking gender, age, race, etc. but let's assume being at that rally qualifies). Here, the temporal proximity probably does that given our assumption.
This shifts the burden to the employer to articulate some legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason for the challenged action. Here, for example, they could say "we didn't fire her for being at the rally, we fired her for committing a crime there" (or, simply, "we fired her for bad performance").
This then shifts the burden BACK to the employee to prove the explanation is pretext. Pretext is different from "reasonably well founded" because it permits the employer to make "honest" mistakes. For example, if the nondiscriminatory reason is "she's a salesperson and had zero sales in the last two years," that likely flies if the company's system shows zero sales, even if she can prove she made some that weren't booked properly. Likewise, if their reason is that she broke the law (or company policy) by posting a photo inside the barrier, it doesn't really matter whether she knowingly crossed the barrier.
(Of course, if an explanation is false it is more likely to surive summary judgment--and a tougher sell at trial--than a true one.)
Thank you.
One point as to the “bad performance” outlet. As any of us who have been in a supervisory role know, before someone can be terminated for bad performance it needs to have been documented over time, hopefully with even a warning to the employee to give them a chance to fix it.
The fact that she’d worked there for 20 years suggests that it’s not performance.
Sure, that's just an example of an explanation in cases like this (and who knows what her performance reviews look like). Hell, their reason could be that she violated some COVID-related mass-gathering policy. Who knows what the company will say in response, but she's DOA unless she can prove their response is a pretext (AND prevail on the initial discrimination part, which I'm just assuming)
I think that might be the first time in at least seven years that the comments in the VC ever got to the point of McDonnell Douglas burden shifting.
I ... am inordinately happy right now. 🙂
Can they fire her for demanding $10 million for being fired?
They complaint does not offer any convincing evidence of the reason for her firing, although the inference from timing of events is plausible enough at this stage. "There was no formal investigation of the events by Defendant, no due process was afforded to Plaintiff, and there was no written explanation for its actions." And she does not plead any oral explanation either. Only the fact that she went to HR about some rude comments about her and was later fired.
In all but one state, private sector employees have zero rights to an investigation, due process, or written explanation for firings.
Au contraire.
What about written employment contracts under the terms of which an employer is obligated to provide due process to an employee before it can fire xer?
Those are pretty rare and limited mostly to very high end jobs.
Did you even read the article? This is your second post that totally ignores a key point.
In California, which is the only state that matters to this case, employees are protected from being fired for political beliefs. At-will employment anywhere else doesn’t matter.
The complaint alleges that she was fired "There was no formal investigation of the events by Defendant, no due process was afforded to Plaintiff, and there was no written explanation for its actions."
None of that is illegal. She photographed herself trespassing at the Capital and thus provided a non-politically based reason to fire her.
You’re making the barricade/trespassing stuff up out of thin air. One of the photos shows a fence behind her, with no context as to what it even is or as to which side of it she’s on.
That’s nothing but you’re running with it because a Nazi got fired for trespass. Nothing is clear here from what we’ve got. Actually, it is clear that another employee got pretty nasty with her on social media. So the harassment claim, perhaps a little weak, at leas has something behind it. Your allegation is totally made up.
There is another photo on the same page that shows her at the capital right next to the building.
Which may or may not have been legal. You don’t know. Don’t let your bias take you to a conclusion before you know.
That’s why politics fucks everything up. People jump to their conclusions without the facts or reason. Their minds are made up before they even know about the situation.
In order to get there you must pass the police barricades and thus would be trespassing.
Aaaannnnd I give up. Goodbye.
Partisan storyteller's tales cannot be disputed! A narrative that's emotionally satisfying is factual. Factual! Didn't you know?
"In order to get there you must pass the police barricades and thus would be trespassing."
The OP has a caveat: "If her allegations are correct,".
If she engaged in rioting, illegal entry, or other non-protected behavior, then then her allegations are not correct and she will lose.
There are two separate issues being conflated. One is whether she was fired for illegal conduct or merely for being at a legal protest.
The second is the process used to fire her. Yes, she has a substantive right (in California) not to be fired for political beliefs, but she has no procedural rights to an investigation, due process, hearing, etc.
As you noted, that law was never intended or expected to protect criminal associations, just political associations.
You are free to argue that "insurrectionist" is a political affiliation, and not a criminal one, but I don't see why anyone else should coddle such a belief.
Or to put it another way... all y'all have been super skeptical of "I didn't see nothin'" in the past. It's so odd for you to bend over backwards to take it as gospel now.
Bet your company's $10 million on that. The sooner the better.
"Or to put it another way… all y’all have been super skeptical of “I didn’t see nothin'” in the past. It’s so odd for you to bend over backwards to take it as gospel now"
I don't know if you are a lawyer or not, but at this stage all we have are her allegations. The first question any lawyer should ask is, even if all her facts are true, does that mean her firing was illegal? In California, the answer is, yes, it was illegal. In New York, the answer is no, the employer can fire you because he/she/it does not like your politics. Tough noogies, as the ancient Latin expression goes. (And old Roman law transcript list the doctrine of toughus noogius.)
That is what a motion to dismiss does, test out the legal theory of the complaint, assuming all facts alleged are true. That is what everyone is doing here -- assuming what she says is true, does she make out a claim? If the answer is no, then her complaint will be dismissed.
When the defendant files an Answer, we may get its side of the story. And then when it is litigated, more will come out.
In virtually all employment cases, it is undisputed that the employee suffered some adverse employment action, e.g, fired, or not hired, or demoted. The question then is, why? Some reasons are legitimate (she is a poor worker, she goofs off, the company has to downsize because of an economic downturn etc.) and some are not (her race, her religion, and in California, her political activities). That becomes the central factual dispute in virtually all employment cases.
The employer here will, at some point, have to articulate a reason why she was fired. Then a jury or judge can assess whether that is credible.
... did you just try to "um, actually" my accusation of hypocrisy?
That'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
And no, I'm not a lawyer. I have too much self-respect, and not enough self-loathing. But it doesn't take a lawyer to spell the heaps of bullshit wafting through here.
Why don't you learn to write coherent English first? You don't need a law degree for that. I learned it from my eighth-grade English teacher.
And while you are at it, try reading comprehension lessons. They will work wonders.
In the meantime, let's try a definition:
assume -- "to take as granted or true." That's in Merriam-Webster. Not written by self-loathing lawyers.
Oh no, I'm being mocked for a spelling error in a online comment to a whiney news article. However will I recover from this shame? Truly, this will be a dark spot on my family for generations to come.
Or to put it in other words... knock yourself out trying to insult me. What little respect I had for this place has basically evaporated over the last two months.
And to that point, I don't really expect anyone here to care that I think so little of you. But it's nice to see you're so triggered by being called a hypocrite that you lash out like this. It's cute.
Hell yes she can be fired for being in DC.
She can be fired for being a republican.
She can be fired for not being a raging socialist.
What the hell do you think this is, a free country?
its california
butt-hurt much?
The photo in the complaint clearly shows her well beyond where the police barricade was before the rioters breached it. As soon as she stepped past the barricades she was committing a crime. She should lose this.
So I'm looking at the Complaint. There are some issues other than just not being a great complaint (it's an LLC- who are the members for diversity jurisdiction ... find out soon enough).
The included text on p. 5 has the Plaintiff's text message stating that she is at "the top of the capitol" and that she was talking to the guards. The allegations state that she was never "in" the Capitol, but clearly mingle the use of "at" the Capitol freely.
Regardless, she then "engaged" someone- simply based on what was presented in the Complaint (which is the most flattering for the Plaintiff) it doesn't look great for her either.
Finally, I would note that the use of the alternative - the "even if any portion of the (Defendants') narrative were true ..." In other words, sure, maybe it is apparent from photos and texts that there was some other stuff going on, but no harm no foul?
Maybe I'm just a little jaded from seeing too many complaints at this point. It also looks like a state court complaint quickly changed to federal court.
Based on the social media string it does look as if the statement that “plaintiff is not a zealous adherent of any system of beliefs” may not be completely accurate.
Still though, the only thing the company has to suspect her of having committed a crime is her presence at a place where a crime was committed, perhaps after she left. That’s not much. And firing someone within a couple of days after filing a harassment complaint isn’t a good look either.
Also, filing in federal court is an indication this is not a serious value-maximizing lawsuit, but rather a publicity play.
(it’s an LLC- who are the members for diversity jurisdiction … find out soon enough).
Amazing how many lawyers do not know this rule, and do not bother to do 10 minutes of research to find out.
In Fortune v. National Cash Register, 373 Mass. 96 (1977), the Massachusetts SUpreme Judicial Court imposed an obligation of good faith and fair dealing in the termination of the employment of a salesman notwithstanding the fact that the terms of his employment permitted his discharge without cause and without any obligation to pay a commission that would be due him on account of his securing a huge sales order.
In Fortune, the salesman had been employed by National Cash Register for 25 years. To be sure, the mischief at play was the defendant's desire to pay as little commission as possible to the plaintiff.
In the Allright, LLC case, the plaintiff, according to the complaint, had been an employee for 20 years. Perhaps a jury might infer that the desire to go woke is so rancid that firing a loyal employee in connection therewith might constitute a breach of the covenant of good faith and fair dealing.
I'm pretty old. I remember when people who actually broke the law -- by being "Colored" and sitting down at a "White" lunch counter -- were regarded by many as heros. Rightly so, in my opinion now (and, as I recall, even then). There was and is a serious issue about whether the 2020 election results were affected by improper conduct by officials in several states. I personally wouldn't have peacefully marched up to the Capitol to support a doomed effort to delay the certification of the election, but the idea that a private citizen could be fired for doing so is repugnant.
No, there are no such "serious issue[s]".
What there is, is the former and disgraced President Trump deluding his followers into believing that there is. Stop coddling delusions.
You can say that until you’re blue in the face, but as long as your side is pulling out all the stops trying to stop people from even talking about election irregularities, I’ll consider your advice for what it’s worth - next to nothing.
Yes, it's funny how the tolerance for lies and conspiracy theories dries up when it results in dead bodies.
Joking aside, you really don't have anyone to blame but yourself. Giuliani and the "Kraken" admitted in court room after courtroom that they were not alleging fraud. And then the moment they were out of the courtroom, they said nothing but "fraud, fraud, fraud". If you didn't pick up on that discordance, that's on you.
If that were true, BLM would have dried up and gone away long ago.
Tolerance for "lies and conspiracy theories" instead now depends on whether or not they are favored by the Democrats or not.
Turns out, the way to deal with people being lied to is not to indulge the people spreading the lie and think they'll talk themselves out of it.
There was an object lesson about this a few weeks ago.
Even if you believe the allegations about the election (I don’t) there’s a helluva difference between peaceably sitting at a segregated lunch counter and rushing a building to wreak damage and killing a cop.
Can’t justify that no matter how much you try.
A few more lawsuits like this and cancel culture gets neutered, at least in California. I hope she gets the whole $10 million plus a punitive damages award.
Under California precedent, if the company reasonably but mistakenly believes she committed a crime, who wins? It is possible that (1) she is an innocent angel, and (2) HR had a good faith belief that she broke the law.
The employer wins under those facts. Because their claimed reason for termination was not illegal, and it was not a pretext for a true illegal motive.
What you say is correct as a matter of law. But in many cases, a good attorney can cross-examine the employer to make him look like a liar.
Sure, if the factfinder decides the reason is a pretext the case goes differently. Trial skill is definitely relevant to that finding, but those are different facts than John was asking about. (And, a good attorney can also cross-examine the employee and make them look like a liar)
You are right. But ultimately the question is, why did employer fire employee. That is a matter of the employer's credibility.
Maybe, but only if the employee can come up with evidence of pretext sufficient to survive summary judgment. The more accurate question is: can the employee prove they were fired for a discriminatory reason.
In a case like this, where the complaint contains a photo that appears to document a violation of the security perimeter, I can easily imagine a defense summary judgment (or even MTD). And that's before I know anything about other potentially-applicable company policies.
Like the first thing they teach you in law school is procedure beats facts.
If you have to choose between winning on procedure and having the truth on you side, go with procedure every time.
Just attending the protest is not reasonable evidence that a crime was committed. Hundreds of thousands attended the protest. A few hundred broke the law.
Unless they have pictures/video of her breaking the law not reasonable.
Well isn't this so 2020. So the wrong kind of political activity gets you fired. The right kind is OK.
Is the employer looking for folks who attended BLM rallies? Doubt it
Guilty of wrong think!