The Future of Energy? Brooklyn's Bitcoin-Heated Bathhouse
A new Reason documentary explores why, for some, bitcoin is the 'real Green New Deal.'
HD DownloadBehind the scenes of a traditional bathhouse in Brooklyn, something extraordinary is taking place: The pools, heated to 104 degrees, are not warmed by conventional means but by computers mining for bitcoin.
A profit-seeking drive for energy efficiency has caused bitcoin miners to pop up in unexpected places, such as Jason Goodman's New York bathhouse, where the cost of heating his pools is about the same as it was before he plugged in the bitcoin miners, but now with the bonus of earning bitcoin.
Goodman credits traditional bathhouses for helping him through a tough time when he first moved to New York City. He started Bathhouse in 2019 because he wanted to re-create the life-changing experiences he underwent for the "hardcore sauna-heads, for those who are trying to optimize their performance, longevity, and overall health."Â
And then he had a cutting-edge idea of how to make it better.
"It kind of clicked in my mind," Goodman adds. "Bitcoin mining is really important. Bitcoin mining produces heat as a byproduct. I buy energy to create heat. That's interesting."Â
Instead of cooling the mining computers with fans, Goodman submerges them in a specially engineered fluid that doesn't conduct electric current but, instead, absorbs the heat that the computers produce. A heat exchanger then transfers it into hot water that moves directly into the pools. "I was able to make hot water very easily," Goodman explains.Â
Bitcoin mining wasn't designed for heating hot tubs. It was designed to facilitate a new type of digital money with a supply that no single entity can alter or control. A central bank cannot create new ones—they can only be mined by computers scattered around the world running the bitcoin protocol, and there will only ever be 21 million bitcoin. These computers compete to solve a cryptographic puzzle that the protocol makes just hard enough to ensure it's solved roughly every 10 minutes. Solve the puzzle, unlock a block of transactions to be validated and added to the blockchain, and earn bitcoin.Â
The more computing power someone has, the better their chances of earning bitcoin. But more computing power means using more energy.Â
"Bitcoin miners are in a relentless, unquenchable search across the globe for the cheapest possible energy," explains Alex Gladstein, chief strategy officer at the Human Rights Foundation and author of Check Your Financial Privilege.
"Be energy neutral and earn bitcoin. That was what we wanted to prove to ourselves," Goodman tells Reason. "A dream scenario would be that every hotel, every major residential building, every major office building starts converting their boiler system or their heating system or their hot water system over to a system…like we're using and have a massively distributed hard-to-control mining network."
For bitcoiners, keeping the process distributed and hard to control is the whole point. As Caitlin Long, founder of bitcoin-focused Custodia Bank, explains, the main purpose of bitcoin is to have an honest ledger where people can store value that cannot be manipulated.
Bitcoin mining ties the world's first decentralized digital currency to the physical world. But bitcoin remains borderless, seeking to exploit inefficiency wherever it can, whether that's a Brooklyn bathhouse, an unmarked warehouse in Venezuela, or the small rural town of Washington, Georgia.Â
Mayor Bill DeGolian of Washington welcomed CleanSpark, one of America's largest bitcoin miners, to his town because it allowed the miner to buy energy at a bulk discount.Â
"They're buying a lot of power from the city. And that's what helps the city…with what we're selling to CleanSpark, the amount of power they buy per month from us is more than all of our other commercial and residential customers combined," DeGolian said.Â
At its Norcross operation, an 87,000-square-foot facility on the outskirts of Atlanta, CleanSpark is using the same immersion cooling technique that Goodman uses in his bathhouse to cool 4,300 bitcoin miners. The technique allows the company to spend less money to power the A.C. needed to cool the giant rooms where they keep the computers.
"We're removing that environmental factor where ambient temperature goes up and down and we constantly fight the environmental curve," Bradley Audiss, senior director of operations at CleanSpark in Norcross, tells Reason. "Immersion is very much a flat line as compared to air cooled that has the fluctuations which are primarily tied to hot temperatures."
For some, bitcoin is the real Green New Deal. According to Gladstein, bitcoin subsidizes renewable energy because "the projects are made profitable by the ability to monetize that energy right away….So rather than monetizing [public] debt [by printing money], we can have the market kind of power this process."
But critics still consider the energy that is going to mining to be a complete waste. Some countries have banned bitcoin mining, and the Biden administration wants to tax it heavily. Even Goodman felt the backlash when he announced he was heating the bathhouse with bitcoin mining.Â
 Bitcoiners say the ability of miners to sponge up and then release energy at a moment's notice makes the grid more reliable, which is why utilities partner with them. Take Texas bitcoin miner Marshall Long. His mining company's partnership with Texas' grid manager helped avert a summer blackout.
"What makes miners particularly good is because I'm not only a large user, I'm a granular user. So I don't have to turn off my entire load at once," Long said. "I can just turn off one miner or 200 miners or 2,000 miners in order to respond to certain things that are going on in the grid throughout the day."
"We're starting to see with…bulletproof scientific evidence that…bitcoin miners are actually helping and not hurting," Long added.Â
Miners aren't shutting down during peak hours out of altruism but because of market incentives. CleanSpark, for example, monitors energy prices on a minute-by-minute basis and shuts down the moment its operation starts to become unprofitable, freeing up power for the rest of the grid.Â
Even in places like Venezuela, where bitcoin mining boomed thanks to the government subsidizing energy to near-zero cost, bitcoin is forcing energy innovation. Miners are taking responsibility for fixing power lines that the government fails to maintain.Â
"We take care of the electrical infrastructure so that it is not damaged," explained a major Venezuelan bitcoin miner who fled to Miami and asked to remain anonymous. "For example, if we see that we have a voltage problem or an electrical factor in the area that affects us and can affect the community or the area where we are, we will try to improve it as much as possible, because if we do not improve it, our miners will not work well."Â
Bitcoin is too decentralized and too enriching for even the most powerful governments to stop at this point. The choice America faces isn't whether to allow mining to exist or not, but whether to welcome it here in a vibrant market economy where it can bootstrap new energy sources and its byproducts can create economic value.
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So the extreme waste of using massive amounts of electricity and limited rare earth metals to “mine” for numismatic Rare Pepés can be partially offset by pairing it with the extreme water waste of “traditional bath houses”.
Fuck off.
NY has no shortage of water.
What rare earths are needed for bitcoin mining?
I’m not saying bitcoin is a great use of electricity necessarily. But I thought this was a pretty clever way to offset costs. Finding uses for currently wasted heat form computers and other equipment is a good thing.
But I thought this was a pretty clever way to offset costs.
It’s a clever way to offset costs the way buying an old victorian house in a sleepy lakeside community and turning it into a B&B is clever.
It’s not stupid, but the idea that Nichlas Maduro (or Juan Guiado or Putin or Zelensky or Biden or Erdogan…) are shaking in their boots because of a Bitcoin-warmed bath house is laughably naive.
The same argument could be made for using the heat byproduct of computation for… literally anything.
“The AI Porn generator website could use the heat byproduct of its server farm to keep the coffee pot warm. ”
The idea that that makes AI Porn Generating “the REAL Green New Deal” is patently stupid.
Now, if one were to think in terms of broad computer usage– not for a hobby project like Bitcoin mining or AI porn generation, but just in general then you have an argument that can be taken more seriously.
Frankly, I’m surprised Reason didn’t find a way to weave 2nd hand weed smoke into some kind of “recycled” re-use documentary.
Now, if one were to think in terms of broad computer usage– not for a hobby project like Bitcoin mining or AI porn generation, but just in general then you have an argument that can be taken more seriously.
Even then, given the massive and ongoing failure of lots of IoT projects, I’m dubious about the inherent success or cleverness of setting up ethernet/fiber/cellular *and* 110V in order to generate AI porn *and* toast bread at the same time.
Feels a lot like the 3D printing hype where everyone would be 3D printing screw drivers at home. Sorry, the mass screwdriver production and distribution problem has been solved, iteratively for at least a couple hundred years.
Brooklyn or any other part of New York City could probably heat bathhouses with the composting human waste from the homeless in the streets. No mining, Bitcoin or otherwise, required.
Could also use bitcoin mining to help heat your house in the winter.
I love how desperate all the BTC fanbois, who have to be pushing at least 30 now, are to upsell BTC mining rigs as mining rigs *and* non-portable hot plates.
Brainless Dragon !
Lanthanide metals like neodymium are rare only in your imagination.
I’ll admit I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but to suggest that bitcoin mining is or can be environmentally friendly is laughable.
Can the byproducts of that activity be harnessed for other uses? Sure, but that does not make it environmentally friendly in the slightest.
Bit coin mining simply takes consumed energy and converts it into bitcoin at a profit. That’s it. The puzzle that is solved is simply to impart a cost to the miner. The validating transactions and adding them to the blockchain could be accomplished at a much lower overall cost if not for the need to expend computing power and energy to solve the puzzle. So all mining bitcoin does is consume energy and not actually create something with that energy.
If the puzzle was sequencing a genome or something similar, that could be used to advance medical science, I might have a slightly different view. It’s not. It’s simply converting electricity into an ownership interest in a made up currency.
It is pretty much the polar opposite of environmentally friendly in any way, shape or form.
If every server farm did this we could have lots of bathhouses!
Folks could be roman from one to another.
Barack Obama would like to invest $1T of borrowed American dollars in this.
You made a whole documentary about using the heat byproduct of an activity that probably has little to no value for society to heat a bathhouse?
The phrase “bootstrap new energy sources” makes me think they really don’t understand how any of this works.
It almost feels like the base stolen by Ron Bailey where he says, with lab grown meat, the ranches can be returned to nature. The only way it won’t always be cheaper and easier to convert energy directly into heat without hooking up ethernet cables or optical fiber to consume some of the heat to do math, is if you mandate it like some sort of fiat.
Yes, technically it costs more than generating heat directly, but not as much more as you would think. Over 99% of the energy used to power a computer (any computer) becomes heat. So as long as whatever work you are doing on the computers produces enough value to cover that extra 1% you are in the black.
Yes, technically it costs more than generating heat directly, but not as much more as you would think.
Go fuck yourself, asshat. You don’t know dick about what other people think. You’re an intentionally performative retard on the topic. I mentioned ethernet and/or fiber but, and there’s the issue of running and controlling power, which is more costly and complicated when running hundreds to thousands of nodes rather than running the equivalent of one electric water heater. But you don’t give a shit because you want to pretend that this is some transcendentally brilliant idea rather than a paltry few dollars in savings that could be offset by any number of other efficiencies up and down the grid. You dumb fuck.
Oh yes i forgot, industrial water heaters on the scale needed for a bath house are much cheaper than a few hundred meters of fiber optic cable. Even so, perhaps the startup costs are higher when factor all the mining rigs, but clearly mining bitcoin (at least at the moment) is going to generate far more revenue than then 1% needed to break even on the power. And let say crypto tanks before he can recover his initial investment (unlikely, but lets hypothesize) the computers will still be able to do useful work and computing power will always be in demand for someone to do something, so he can simply sell off the compute cycles.
Also…
You don’t know dick about what other people think.
But you do apparently?
But you don’t give a shit because you want to pretend
I always wanted to meet a real psychic, too bad they stopped offering the James Randi prize.
Oh yes i forgot, industrial water heaters on the scale needed for a bath house are much cheaper than a few hundred meters of fiber optic cable.
Whom do you think you’re fooling here? First, the fiber optic cable isn’t guaranteed to be cheaper. Second, the water heater fully completes the task of heating the water. It’s a wholly functional unit. A few hundred meters of fiber doesn’t do dick with regard to computing bitcoin primes.
clearly mining bitcoin (at least at the moment) is going to generate far more revenue than then 1% needed to break even on the power
Says who, you? How wonderfully Fiat of you to assume that markets will invariably obey your orders. Even with the whole “even if crypto crashes” idiocy. The market isn’t “working” or “crashed”. If the profits from the crypto fall to 0.99%-1.0% of the heat costs, suddenly somebody’s got to manage or program those rigs to start/stop computing or, despite your idiocy, worse, repurpose them to do something else.
But you do apparently?
I don’t have to.
I always wanted to meet a real psychic, too bad they stopped offering the James Randi prize.
I’m not psychic and don’t claim to know what you’re thinking. Not giving a shit requires zero thought. The coffee mug on my desk gives zero shits all day, every day. Not being psychic, it’s rather self evident that you want to pretend a water heater and several hundred feet of fiber optic cable are equivalent… somehow.
I’d say it’s funny how retarded you insist on being about this. How obvious it is that you’re being retarded, practically or seemingly deliberately, but it’s not funny, it’s just stupid. Stupid to the point that even if the bathhouse idea is the least bit clever, useful idiots like yourself will abuse it into stupidity.
If Bitcoin mining generated enough heat to smelt and/or centrifuge Gold, Silver, Platinum, Uranium, and other useful precious metals out of the ground, then they’ve got something. That could buy, build, and power a nationwide franchise of bathhouses.
🙂
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Will there be children’s bathhouses heated by crypto server farms that host drag queen story hour?
Career opportunity for Pluggo.
Wait, you can use bitcoin to HEAT things? What about my coffee? Can it heat my coffee? Or my whole breakfast? My cold shower? What about my towels? Sheds and garages? Ooh, what about green houses? Goddamned! Think of all the uses! Almost like the ability to heat shit up would be valuable in-and-of itself even without all the infrastructure and bitcoin ledger bullshit.
Paper currency can also be used to heat things up. And if we can avoid the temptation to just add zeroes to every paper note, then hyperinflation can create hyperheating. And with enough hyperheating it will reduce hyperinflation too by reducing the moneysupply.
I was thinking the federal reserve in San Fran could create a bath house as a heat sink for their money printing machines, but there probably aren’t that many pole-smokers in the other locations to justify facilities that big.
Maybe if you could somehow combine the “hardcore sauna-heads, for those who are trying to optimize their performance, longevity, and overall health” and the “hardcore 2 a.m. massage parlor guys who are trying to optimize their performance, longevity, and overall health” markets you’d have a tiny cottage industry. Maybe.
You gotta hand it to Reason, they managed to combine bitcoin mining, ass sex and The Green New Deal into one, digestible package.
So because something is valuable in and of itself we should never combine with another valuable activity? We should only ever do one thing?
Do you brew your coffee using the heat from a greenhouse? If not, why?
I brew my coffee using the heat from my heat.
I’d be more impressed if Jason Goodman filled his Brooklyn pools with Seltzer water.
Carbon offsets , however idiotic, are worth money, and carbonated bathwater could profitably sequester a bit of the carbon dioxide that went up in smoke powering the grid that runs his bitcoin farm—
Are carbonated baths a thing? Sounds refreshing.
Get out before the bubble bursts.
It’s going to fizzle out.
Carbonated baths wouldn’t sequester the carbon for very long, since the whole point is that it bubbles back out of the water.
Filling your bath with carbonic acid would sequester the carbon better, but I doubt you will get many customers wanting to bathe in it.
Filling your bath with carbonic acid would sequester the carbon better, but I doubt you will get many customers wanting to bathe in it.
I’d guarantee that there are more carbonated and acidic onsen in the world than there are BTC-heated bathhouses.
I have it on good authority that you can use the waste energy from the Japanese Snow monkeys to produce works of literature.
A lot of contemporary literature is similar to snow monkey waste.
So that’s what Sevo is recycling.
Just so- Seltzer water originally came naturally carbonated from a spring in the Hessian spa town of Niederselters
So is that where we got “A little song, a little dance, a little Seltzer down your pants”?
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The problem with Science reporting is that most science reporters are merely tech enthusiasts, and their articles become mere PR pieces for the latest whiz-bang startup swiveling its hips onto the VC scene.
If science reporters understood things like… thermodynamics, then they’d be asking harder questions when the whiz bang startup CEO started telling them their mothers loved them.
Like, “Hey, yeah, so… you’re telling me you have this way of sequestering carbon with this barium-infused chamber that uses electrolysis to create a fizzy-drink type slurry which takes up CO2 which you then bury 2000′ under the ground. What, um, are the energy inputs to achieve this carbon sequestration?”
How long before some global cooling hedge fund floats an IPO to earn carbon credits by storing CO2 in abandoned bitcoin mines?
This is a candidate for for the most overengineered project of 2023.
My biggest surprise from the article? People are still bitcoin mining.
LOL yes!
Brooklyn is also home to a carbon-neutral vodka company that makes alcohol out of flue gas.
rather use solar energy for bitcoin mining. Then heat can be used to warm up real estate, swiming pools etc..