Gas Cars vs. Electric Vehicles: A Soho Forum Debate
Will electric cars disappoint environmentalists? Mark Mills and Rosario Fortugno debate.
HD DownloadThe Manhattan Institute's Mark Mills and InOrbis CEO Rosario Fortugno debate the resolution, "Between now and 2035, electric vehicles in the consumer market will disappoint environmentalists by remaining a product bought mainly by the well-heeled minority."
Taking the affirmative is Mills, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow, a faculty fellow at Northwestern University's engineering school, and a partner in Montrose Lane, an energy-tech venture fund. He is author of the book The Cloud Revolution: How the Convergence of New Technologies Will Unleash the Next Economic Boom and a Roaring 2020s.
Taking the negative is Fortugno, the CEO of InOrbis, a company that works to develop technologies for electric vehicle fleet management, autonomous vehicles, and machine learning. He blogs at ApplyingAI.com on the topics of free markets, electric vehicle adoption, and the benefits of artificial intelligence.
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“Will electric cars disappoint environmentalists?”
I dunno, Christians have been waiting on Jesus for 2 thousand years and they seem ok.
Next year.
Next year.
Hey, that's like 2 days to God.
Jesus has been visiting earth off and on for centuries since he regenerated into his second body at the first Easter. Heading off natural disasters, alien invasions, a Hilary Clinton presidency…….
As some point they will be more practical. It's just a matter of time. Might take something that hasn't been invented yet, but it will happen.
Right now you can easily restart a gas car with, you guessed it, gas. Doesn't matter if it's a snowstorm, a desert, or a highway.
Can't do that with electric vehicles. I figure once they get that problem licked there will be much less resistance.
Exactly the problem is lithium batteries aren't anywhere close to being good enough to move to EVs.
They’re still a fuckload better than the Duracells we grew up with. If invention keeps moving at the same rate, someone might come up with something really good in the relatively near future.
Right now if you show up with batteries in a snowstorm, you may as well have brought rocks. Anything powered by batteries, including electric cars, is as useful as tits on a bull when it gets really cold.
I feel like that saying discounts the hilarity that would ensue from tots on a bull. And laughter in this fucked up world is very useful.
We need fuel cell or something that isn't batteries. Or batteries that can charge way faster, but that means really high voltage or current must be available and that would require power grid upgrades for widespread use and they would still likely be very heavy. Time to charge is a big problem. I choose my gas stations based on how quickly the pumps deliver fuel. Electric cars are fine for around town and short commutes. Awful for any longer trip requiring a "fill up". And as you point out, in cold weather.
The disappointment is going to be that the grid is nowhere close to being robust enough to support switching to electric anytime in the near future.
And then your car burns your house down.
Only in poor neighborhoods where they have used electric cars with batteries that are bulging and overheating and the owners have disabled the safety circuit that prevents charging the expired battery, because they can't afford a 30k replacement.
Are you joking or delusional?
Both?
I do think that in just a few years it will be a crime to park an EV in a garage.
And then your car burns your house down.
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Burning down the house!
Don't forget the lack of refined rare earth metals.
Government forced choosing EV tech before the market had picked a winner. That's what government always does, and they never pick winners.
It only took enough fuel to power my gas car for twice as many years as the life of the battery to make it. Totally ready to make mandatory.
Better than the mandated corn ethanol that only took 2 gallons of fuel to make 1 gallon of ethanol.
Easily solved the California way: driving permits for which day of the week you get to drive.
The arguments for the negative sound like a sales pitch for Tesla. Most of the positive qualities mentioned have nothing to do with EVs specifically.
“Will electric cars disappoint environmentalists?”
Yes.
Everything, always, disappoints environmentalists. Give them what they want, they’ll be disappointed and want something else.
If they don't wipe out half the human population they will disappoint environmentalists. Thanos was their guy.
Oh, they want to kill way more than half.
Wait, half of your debate is an EV CEO talking up their own industry and/or hocking their own product(s) and the other half is a policy wonk who splits his time between Northwestern University and a venture energy group?
This is more retarded than NPR’s All Things Considered “debates” between center-left E.J. Dionne of the WaPo and left David Brooks of the NYT.
We’ve gaht both kahnds of ah-to-mo-tive thinkurs: academic Ee-Vee supporters and pro-fessional Ee-Vee supporters!
I vote for hydrogen powered cars.
I want a hydrogen fuel cell powered laptop. I wonder if they will let me fly with it.
https://www.howtogeek.com/797043/what-happened-to-laptop-fuel-cells/
What do you think gasoline is made of? It's hydrogen and carbon.
And yet, hydrogen powered is not the same as hydro-carbon powered.
This is like debating whether we should let in no immigrants, or anyone who wants to come, as if there’s no middle ground. Why aren’t hybrids in this debate?
I'm thinking Stirling engine/electric hybrid.
Well, they got disappointed with Fracking, disappointed with wind farms, disappointed with hydro-dams, disappointed with hydrogen... so what are the odds they won't get disappointed with electric cars?
red. barchetta.
Environmentalism is like a grade school lie/rumor run amuck. Is there any speckle of reason for any reasonable people to think the environment is of any concern? No.... Does that keep the lies from spreading and growing around like a plague?
And the only thing topping off the stupidity of environmentalism is the environmentalists proposed solution... Electrical plugs make power??? Since when??? It really is a mob of under-developed brain-dead thoughtless children.
Or maybe; It's actually a propaganda ploy by [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] to steal/enslave from citizens by monopolizing their houses, heath-care, energy, transportation (NOTICE how each is of the most essential resources of humanity). It's like a shady car salesman selling a historically known lemon (nazism) as the best car in the world. Hand over your liberty and justice and we'll get you into the biggest lemon we can find.
The used car market for EVs is going to be terrible too. Any used EV is going to require a very expensive new battery soon if not right away.
Worse yet, EV batteries decay whether you use them or not.
Traditional gasoline cars can be stored for decades without problems, in particular the older, simpler kinds.
Not with the ethanol they poison the gasoline with these days, unless you're very careful to completely drain them.
Stay away from E85, if you can. YMMV (pun intended).
Why would they? It's all about virtue signaling and political power, not any kind of specific outcome.