The Babylon Bee Satirizes the Absurdities of American Politics
Snopes doesn’t seem to get the joke.
HD DownloadSince its founding in 2016, Christian satire site The Babylon Bee has been regularly making fun of Christians, the left, the right, Trump, and various cultural fads. The site has steadily grown in popularity and now boasts about 10 million monthly page views. In addition to making poignant jokes, Kyle Mann, the site's editor in chief, aims to use satire as a weapon to separate truth from fiction.
But less than five months after its inception, The Babylon Bee found itself being labeled as a "fake news site" by the prominent online fact-checker Snopes. Satirical articles from The Bee have now been fact-checked by Snopes more than 30 times.
Some of the more outlandish fact-checks include headlines such as "Democrats Demand Kavanaugh Submit To DNA Test To Prove He's Not Actually Hitler," "Ocasio-Cortez Appears On 'The Price Is Right,' Guesses Everything Is Free," and "CNN Purchases Industrial-Sized Washing Machine To Spin News Before Publication."
In an effort to justify fact-checking satire, Snopes republished an article from the academic commentary and analysis site The Conversation arguing that "too many people think satirical news is real." While he's not inherently opposed to fact-checking satire, Kyle Mann says that the original study was meant to observe the effects of satire in general, but when tweeting out their link of the study, Snopes specifically targeted The Babylon Bee.
What's more, the study's methodology was questionable: Instead of showing participants articles as they appeared online, satirical headlines were stripped of both context and comedy. For example, the Babylon Bee headline "CNN: 'God Allowed the Mueller Report to Test Our Shakeable Faith in Collusion.'" was presented to participants as "CNN news anchor Anderson Cooper said his belief that Trump colluded with Russia is unshakable; it will not change regardless of statements or evidence to the contrary."
Reason's John Osterhoudt sat down with Mann to discuss the Snopes criticism, his aspirations for the Bee, and why he believes that satire can divide what's important from what's not, revealing important truths about the world.
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"Snopes doesn’t seem to get anything."
FTFY
If Snopes investigated your comment, they would determine that it's not fake news.
The question isn't what Snopes 'gets.' The question is: What does Snopes have?
And what they have is a burning desire to be the thought police.
Liberals tend to lack humor. Satire usually involves some intellectual exercise. Hate is not funny
Therefore the issue with liberals enjoying, presenting, or better yet, understanding good satire.
Plain and simple: satire is hate speech and should be OUTLAWED!
Do Suderman, Shikha and Boehm know that Osterhoudt has consorted with the bane of their go-to "truthiness" source?
I thought neo-Reason was against articles like this.
Apparently, only Samantha Bee is allowed to create satirized fake news.
I totally forgot about her. Went and checked and her show is still on the air. I found that hard to believe until I went and checked what other shows are currently being shown by TBS. Then it all made sense.
If you want a flashback to mid-2000s white liberal comedy routines, Samantha Bee's show is definitely the place to go. She's a great example of how the mainstream left appear to believe that they're still battling an army of neocons and the Religious Right for the soul of America.
I lived through that time once-- why would I ever want to relive it?
Snopes has all the credibility of the New York Times or the Washington Post.
They couldn't fact check the dateline on a newspaper if any still existed.
Snopes fucked up its brand when they started going after political news which are often hard to suss out "factually". Especially when they relied on sources like other news stories which were themselves already compromised.
Then they made it worse by providing 10,000 word explainers with uncomfortable truths suggesting that this or that person meant well in their comments and everyone is just a big meanie for pointing out that this or that politician actually did in fact say a thing.
They should have stuck to urban legends and what not-- things that were easy to report as "true" or "false".
Did the life cerial kid die from eating pop rocks?
Did a station wagon with a rocket engine impale itself into an embankment in the 1970s?
cereal* sheesh. Typo: TRUE
Yeah, you have to know what you are good at and stick with that. We already have plenty of partisan news-explainers.
Yes, but while you see their job as correcting factual errors, they see their job as guiding people to RightThink. Which may sometimes, by fortuitous accident involve correcting factual errors, but on other occasions regrettably (But not too regrettably, too much regret would indicate WrongThink.) requires advancing factual errors, or erasing the difference between factual matters and opinions.
Or confusing "fact" with "truth".
As former Reasonoid Michael Moynihan quipped about the rise of all the 'fact checking' new sites:
It's a fact that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941, it's not a 'fact' why.
Yeah. I recall them fact checking a political debate and thinking that they might as well be fact checking Fonzie's shark jump.
"Snopes fucked up its brand when they started going after political news which are often hard to suss out “factually”."
I don't know, in the beginning they did a decent job of this because they seemed to limit themselves to the really ridiculous fake stories being sent as email forwards. These are close enough to the urban legends that are their bailiwick. My dad used to send me outrageous story after story, often with a link to Snopes saying that Snopes had verified it (often Snopes had, only they verified that it was false).
Yes, satire of the news is fake news. Isn't that the whole idea?
And lots of people can be tricked into believing silly things. We already knew that.
I always thought Snopes was pretty good at debunking urban legend kind of stuff. Why the hell are they doing this now?
Maybe they got bored with factual analysis of urban legends and wanted to move to where the action is.
Maybe they got politically bent and saw a way to leverage their actual expertise into their political droolings.
My hunch is that the internet killed their niche. It is too easy now to fact check urban legends on google.
So they tried to stay relevant by becoming a leftist outlet.
Er, because ORANGE MAN BAD.
EVERYONE MUST STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND ORANGE MAN BAD.
That's why.
I always thought Snopes was pretty good at debunking urban legend kind of stuff. Why the hell are they doing this now?
At some point, you run out of oldies.
It's obvious that Snopes doesn't like conservative humor.
I don't see then fact checking the Onion.
Babylon Bee isn't even particularly conservative. It's just non-leftist.
But humans know there are only two sides. If not left, then it must be alt-right Neo-nazi white patriarchy. Duh.
<Trump: 'If You Impeach Me Now,
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September 24th, 2019
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During Greta Thunberg Testimony
September 23rd, 2019
C'mon, Snopes that shit is funny right there.
We don't need you 'Snopesplaining' humor to us.
My kingdom for a 'preview' button...
Snopes is "the internet’s go-to source for discerning what is true and what is total nonsense", and that's according to snopes. Good luck getting through that loop of logic...
When a fact-checking website intentionally deceives people they have trouble distinguishing facts from reality. Also, the abyss has become you.
A nice sendup of fact checkers: https://babylonbee.com/news/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-claimed-ar-15s-are-as-heavy-as-10-boxes-fact-check-false-they-are-actually-as-heavy-as-your-mom
Progressives are humorless, incessantly scolding prigs, worse than anything the moral majority ever was.
The moral majority was honestly kind of hilarious as long as you didn't have to live with them - stuff like the D&D panic was solid gold. Where were you when Blackleaf died?
The Babylon Bee is hilarious. It's the kind of humor site The Onion wanted to be back when The Onion was funny. Don't let the fact that the Babylon Bee is run by Christians keep you away. These guys satirize Christians far harder than they satirize anything Trump or Ocasio-Cortez say.
The fact that so many inbreds from both parties mistake its satire for actual news articles and then soil themselves over it just adds to the deliciousness.
Prodigal Son Kicked Back Out After Old Tweets Surface is a fine example.
https://babylonbee.com/news/new-libertarian-convert-asks-ron-paul-into-his-heart
Have you asked Ron Paul into your heart?
The stuff they do on Presbyterians is hilarious.
"The fact that so many inbreds from both parties mistake its satire for actual news articles and then soil themselves over it just adds to the deliciousness."
That's why I have a hard time getting too worked up over Snopes "fact checking" satirical articles, especially now that they label them as Satire. People on both sides routinely fall for satirical stories and I don't see a big deal in pointing out that the story is satirical if people seem to be falling for one.
The Onion started in Wisconsin and used to do some great stuff about Lutherans:
https://local.theonion.com/local-lutheran-minister-loves-to-fuck-his-wife-1819564552
didnt find that one funny... just vulgar
...perhaps hateful, after all - hating christians is the only acceptible hate after hating Trump
So Snopes' study proved that if you rewrite satirical headlines to make them not satirical, then people do not understand them as satire. Wow, that's a pretty bold strategy there guys.
Take a look at this shit:
Did a Georgia Lawmaker Claim a Chick-fil-A Employee Told Her to Go Back to Her Country?
7/24/2019 - Many readers were confused by an article that altered some details of a controversial news story.
Did Bernie Sanders Vow to Round Up Remaining ISIS Members, Allow Them to Vote?
6/17/2019 - Some readers didn't see much humor in the post by a self-described satire site.
Did Bernie Sanders Say an 'Evil Billionaire' Should Donate Funds to Govt., Not Students?
5/23/2019 - A satirical web site attributed made-up remarks to the 2020 presidential hopeful, but the comments were re-published without context.
Did U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar Say 'If Israel Is So Innocent, Then Why Do They Insist on Being Jews?'
5/9/2019 - A quote needn't make sense for some people to believe it's genuine.
Did U.S. Rep. Ocasio-Cortez Repeatedly Guess 'Free' on TV Show 'The Price is Right?'
4/15/2019 - Might be hard to "come on down" to "The Price is Right" if that's your only response.
Was 'Empire' Actor Jussie Smollett Offered a Job at CNN?
2/20/2019 - A satirical website added even more confusion to Smollett's allegations he was targeted in a possible hate crime.
Is California Considering a Tax on Breathing?
12/20/2018 - There are three certainties in life: death, taxes, and satire.
Did Bill Clinton Say 'Allegations of Sexual Misconduct Should Disqualify a Man from Public Office?'
9/27/2018 - At this point, what's not to believe about the U.S. Senate's Supreme Court confirmation hearings?
Did Democrats Demand That Brett Kavanaugh Submit to a DNA Test to Prove He’s Not Actually Hitler?
9/5/2018 - Some readers were taken in by a satirical website's story that Democrats wanted the Supreme Court nominee to undergo DNA testing.
Did 'VeggieTales' Introduce a New Cannabis Character?
8/14/2018 - For the time being, at least, 'VeggieTales' characters remain based on things mothers would approve of their kids consuming.
https://www.snopes.com/?s=babylon+bee
I'd kill to see their Onion page.
Now, now, let's not go to that extreme, here you go:
https://www.snopes.com/?s=onion
Like the old Onion, the headlines are the funniest parts.
the headlines are the funniest parts
The headline should always clearly identify what we should be outraged over or scared about. Why would anyone read an article?
Duh, because you have to read the article to find out what was the shocking thing Kim Kardashian said.
Yeah, if you need more than a picture and two words, you're a second-rate hack.
Dumbasses.
Snopes that is.
No actual mention of why Snopes is fact-checking The Babylon Bee? Snopes is not stupid, they don't actually believe that anybody is fooled by the Bee - they just want to get the "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire" label slapped on them so that when Twitter and Facebook and YouTube and whatall get around to banishing the "Unreliable News Source" sites from the internet, the Bee will be right there with them.
I'm honestly surprised the SPLC hasn't yet labeled the Bee as a hate group.
Loving Babylon lately, and I hadn't seen the Price Is Right one. The Onion has lost its fastball, so I've had to search out alternatives.
Snopes is fact-checking satire? LOL! I guess they are becoming very bored with themselves and their slanted fact-checking.
Not a fan of The Onion. Prefer The Babylon Bee and Daily Soak.