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The Juggalos March on Washington

Juggalos protested a gang label given to them by the F.B.I.

"We have the right to listen to any kind of music we want without being labeled a gang," says Nellie Aldred, a Juggalo and mother of two. Aldred and family traveled from South Carolina to the D.C. area to participate in the Juggalo March on Washington. Juggalos are the fans of the Detroit horrorcore rap group Insane Clown Posse (ICP) and they are protesting a gang classification given to them by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 2011.

Aldred says she and family were needlessly stopped by police over a hatchetman sticker on their car (The hatchetman is a symbol that identifies one as a Juggalo.) Further, more Juggalos say the gang label has lead to lost jobs and been used against them in child custody disputes.

"[The march] is our mark on history. It's showing the world who we are. We've been hiding under the streets for way too long and we are about to come up top and show everybody who we are," says Aldred.

"If the government can get away with this, then what the fuck happens to us next," said Shaggy 2 Dope (Joseph Utsler), one of the members of ICP, to a crowd in front of the Lincoln Memorial.

The march included testimonies from people who have had the gang label negatively applied to them as well as speeches from supporters like writer and Juggalo Nathan Rabin.

"There is no such thing as an ordinary Insane Clown Posse show. It's always a spectacle," says Rabin, author of You Don't Know Me But You Don't Like Me and 7 Days in Ohio. "The challenge was to show the world that Juggalos are good people. Juggalos are a law abiding people. Juggalos love each other and are a positive force for the community and I think that's been illustrated here."

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Produced by Paul Detrick and Jim Epstein. Camera work by Epstein, Todd Krainin and Meredith Bragg. Sound by Mark McDaniel.

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  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    "Juggalos love each other"

    Which is why they're positive in the community.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    Are they sure?
    Yes, they're HIV positive.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    "The challenge was to show the world that Juggalos are good people. Juggalos are a law abiding people. Juggalos love each other and are a positive force for the community and I think that's been illustrated here."

    Even if they aren't, it should take more than that to receive a gang designation. I dislike most Juggalos I've met, but I'm rooting for them here. This is clear government overreach.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    They're lowlife scumbags, but hardly a 'gang'. Puttingthem on the same list as the Crips, Bloods, and MS-13? More insane than the clown posse.

  • Domina Elle||

    The FBI should list themselves. Much more compatible with the bloods & crips and MS-13 as they've got lots of blood on their hands not to mention corruption on a mind blowing scale.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    And the real story here is why the blonde on the far right doesn't get a march of her own.

  • LibertarianJRT||

    Are you referring to the ad?

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    No, seriously, in the main image. Blonde girl with a pink towel around her waist. Gotta be at least a 7, maybe an 8 or 9: any of which is a higher score than everyone else in the photo combined.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    To be honest, I'd never even heard of a "Juggalo" until the various news feeds this past week end; out of curiosity I watched some videos that purport to show them in their best light. I would say they are a loosely organized cult of under achievers, but I seriously suspect they're doing the best they can at whatever menial jobs they hold [I suspect minimum wage must be a requirement to have credibility within that "family"].

    That girl you reference does not look anything like a typical Juggalo from what I've seen. Think "you want fries with that?" and you get a pretty good picture of a typical "down with the clown" girl.

  • Robert||

    One prominent Juggalo is X-Ray Burns on WFMU.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    https___wfmu.org_jones_imx_jonestewks2.jpg.html

    Their finest, I assume.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Jeez, I don't even have to go looking for porn on the Internet now; it just finds its way to me. Like a lost puppy.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Right, which is why she deserves a march way more than these Pennyfools.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    I don't like ICP. The Jugheads leave me cold. Yet, absent some serious evidence that they are involved in a broad, organized criminal enterprise, listing them as a gang is silly and stupid. It makes,you wonder how many other 'gangs' exist largely in the imaginations of various Eliot Ness wannabes.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Technically, drug, alcohol and prostitution gangs only existed in the imaginations of various prohies too... At first. Maybe the .gov has settled on ICP as their replacement goldfish for when the devil's weed becomes OTC.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    Maybe the .gov crowd needs to look in the mirror when it comes to identifying criminal gangs. Theft, extortion, and intimidation are there stock in trade. Everything they do to "civilians" is carried out under threat of violence and/or kidnapping (arrest).

    Hell, they've even organized -- a la Bloods and Crips --- under two bitterly opposed by largely similar banners called Republican and Democrat. They each have their respective colors and gangspeak, too, and they fight over who controls which turf.

    What more do you need to qualify as a street gang?

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Actual wittiness, poeticism and originality in their elaborate insults toward each other? Pols haven't had that since the early 20th century, as far as I can tell.

  • Rat on a train||

    "It makes,you wonder how many other 'gangs' exist largely in the imaginations of various Eliot Ness wannabes."
    The Girl Scouts, Jehovah's Witnesses, American Legion, PTO, ...

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Why are you listing actual gangs?

  • Elias Fakaname||

    The real scary one is 'the gang of eight'. Yet they are out on an FBI watchlist.

  • ernieyeball||

    The Jehovah's Witnesses are a dangerous cult! They refuse to salute the flag. They refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance. They do not vote. They refuse military service. Goddamn Anti-Americans.
    We need to pass laws to force all citizens to vote or be punished just so we can throw them in jail!

  • ImanAzol||

    I guess I was a JW all along and never knew it.

  • Warren||

    What does the Venn Diagram of ICP and Phish fans look like?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Just Tulpa.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    What's the Juggalo position of funding for basic science research? Magnets, for example?

  • Rat on a train||

    They are miracles.

  • Robert||

    Richard Feynman more or less admitted such.

  • Jerryskids||

    We've been hiding under the streets for way too long and we are about to come up top and show everybody who we are

    You know what other clown hid under the streets for way too long?

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    Hitlerwise?

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    (Also, Hitlerweisse is the anthem of the Swiss Nazi Party)

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Whichever of the Ninja Turtles was "the funny one"?

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    There was a fifth Ninja Turtle?

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    No funny ones, huh? Okay, whichever of them was "the clumsy one", then?

    Maybe make that clumsIEST, to avoid further confusion.

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    Martial-arts turtles hidin' in sewers is not a basis for a system of government.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    But they lob nunchucks and throwing stars. Not scimitars. That's the difference between legitimacy and tyranny, that there is.

  • ApoxOnBothTheirHouses||

    "Martial-arts turtles hidin' in sewers is not a basis for a system of government."

    It's no worse than what we are actually stuck with.

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    I guess you're right.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Have you not seen our Senate leadership lately? It IS what we're stuck with.

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    A new monument in Ontario honors Canadians who fought on both sides in the U. S. Civil War

    "I'd love to stay in this cabin with you and watch the snow, honey, but there's an important war going on down south and I want to be in on it, eh?"

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    "Look, there were Canucks on both sides, okay? On both sides."

  • Tom Bombadil||

    Wait, some Canadian dude fought on both sides? Is that a Canadian way of making sure you are on the right side of history?

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    Speaking of Juggalos, take a gander at these jugs.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Now there is some good clean fun for the whole family.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Those jugs weren't white until after I looked at them. I won't have to visit Redtube for weeks now!

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    According to a guy at the Dallas [TX] Independent School District:

    At Thursday's Board Briefing, the Administration recommended that the Board change the name of four schools:
    1. Albert Sidney Johnston Elementary School
    2. William L. Cabell Elementary School
    3. Stonewall Jackson Elementary School
    4. Robert E. Lee Elementary School

    [wait, there's more!]

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    The Administration also mentioned that they were doing research on several additional schools. Many of you have asked for that list of schools, so I am sharing the list below. The only additional District 2 school on the list is Ben Franklin Middle School. I will not support a name change for Franklin since Benjamin Franklin clearly had many accomplishments that form the basis for why the school was named after him. I don't believe this school was named after Franklin to send a signal of oppression and control.
    1. Roger Q. Mills Elementary School
    2. W. H. Gaston Middle School
    3. Wilmer-Hutchins High School
    4. James Bowie Elementary School
    5. James S. Hogg Elementary School
    6. John F. Peeler Elementary School
    7. John H. Reagan Elementary School
    8. Wilmer-Hutchins Elementary School
    9. James Madison High School
    10. Benjamin Franklin Middle School
    11. Thomas Jefferson High School
    12. David G. Burnet Elementary School
    13. Stephen C. Foster Elementary School
    14. Nancy J. Cochran Elementary School
    15. Sam Houston Elementary School
    16. Sidney Lanier Elementary School
    17. John Ireland Elementary School
    18. Kleberg Elementary School
    19. William B. Travis Elementary/Middle School
    20. William Brown Miller Elementary School

  • Don't look at me.||

    School #1. School#2. School#3. Etc.

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    Assata Shakur Che Guevara Junior High.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Wouldnt it just be so much easier to put all the progressives in a boat and send it one way to Antarctica?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I remember being impressed with Ken Burns documentaries a long time ago. Like... back in the 90s. But I re-watched one recently-- or started to, and I was left a bit cold. It seemed from a film-making standpoint, he took the short road. Take a bunch of photographs, have them slowly drift across the screen to give the viewer the illusion of movement, then narrate it or have celebrities read letters.

    I mean, I'm not saying they're bad, but I will go so far as saying they're highly overrated.

    I've watched obscure documentaries from lord-knows-who that are free on Youtube which are very high quality and if one avails themselves of the lesson, a lot of solid, quality history can be learned about a particular time or world event.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Doh, wrong thread.

  • Telcontar the (Obama) Birther||

    Posting in the wrong thread?

    You just earned yourself the Felix Dzherzhinsky Award, Seven & Sixty-Two Hundredths Class. It'll reach you any millisecond now...

  • Sports Reporter Charles Manson||

    The Insane Clown Posse...A Film by Ken Burns

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Clearly a less lazy documentarian would have used all the exciting video footage that was filmed during the Civil War instead of just photographs. /sarc

  • Robert||

    There's a great one in 2 parts on YouTube about transportation over the Alleghennies in Pa. in the 19th C. I don't think I've ever seen a documentary told in pluperfect form before, and the ironic perspective makes it very interesting! It's dramatized in the sense of a fictional character talking to someone about the old days before a certain improvement in the canal system. Of course this guy is in our past, but he's talking about his own past. Meanwhile those improvements are about to be made obsolete by the rail system, etc. Brilliant & poignant!

  • Robert||

    Why does stuff like that make me cry? Tears now running out of my eyes. Not quite down my cheeks, though. I've managed to get weepy about dramatic stuff like that that impresses me but makes other people go, "Huh?" Like I wept a little at the conclusion of I Was A Teenage Zombie. Featured player Allen Rickman told me that was sick. He didn't mean "sick" like the way kids these days mean it.

  • lap83||

    OT: I liked this from the twitter

    Pat Sajak‏Verified account @patsajak 10h
    More Emmys tonight. Hope they find some time to give awards between political speeches.

  • lap83||

    -more , I don't know where that came from

  • BlueStarDragon||

    20 trillion in debt and all they can show for it is some clown rappers mistaken for gang members by the F.B.I. And people tell me that I'm crazy for not voting for Republicans or Democrat's.

  • BlueStarDragon||

    Ah! so you've played AD&D with me before.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    That's AD.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    Hey, squirrels ate my ampersand.

    Supposed to be AD(ampersand)HD

  • Conchfritters||

    Basic or get the fuck out. What the fuck is chaotic good anyways,

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    Most libertarians?

  • BlueStarDragon||

    "Basic or get the fuck out. What the fuck is chaotic good anyways,"

    Don't ask the F.B.I it might become a gang label like rangers or druids.
    Remember they investigated Gary Gygax. As for me I'm member of both the mages guild and thieves guild so no gang label their right :)

  • damikesc||

    They aren't a gang.

    They're just fond of mind-bogglingly shitty music.

  • ernieyeball||

    The Juggalos March on Washington

    Rich people march on Washington every day.
    I M Stoned

  • Uncle Jay||

    RE: The Juggalos March on Washington
    Juggalos protested a gang label given to them by the F.B.I.

    "Juggalos are the fans of the Detroit horrorcore rap group Insane Clown Posse (ICP) and they are protesting a gang classification given to them by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 2011"

    My God.
    Rap groups are now terrorists?
    Who is next on the list?
    Gospel singers?

  • wezli333||

    People in scary clown makeup are holding peaceful political protests for very legitimate reasons while the political mainstream is literally killing each other because someone hurt their feelings.

    I'm starting to think I somehow ended up in a parallel dimension.

  • Domina Elle||

    When christians were blowing up abortion clinics the FBI didn't label Christians as domestic terrorists or a gang. The FBI is a gang. A gang that has gotten away with murder including the murder of children and babies (Waco and many other cases) has gotten away with stalking and harassing and much more, and all with the blessing and funding of the state. I wonder who rubbed two brain cells together to come up with labeling these people as a gang?

  • Headache||

    I wonder who rubbed two brain cells together to come up with labeling these people as a gang?

    Answer: "The Two Amoebas" - Obama and Comey.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    So, who was the Director when the Juggalos were declared a "gang", Mueller or Comey?
    So the crap out of them.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    So, who was the Director when the Juggalos were declared a "gang", Mueller or Comey?
    So the crap out of them.

  • FrankHerbert||

    clowny daggers, y'all

  • عيون الحدث||

    What's the Juggalo position of funding for basic science research?

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