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‘The Slants': The Asian-American Band Name the Government Says Is Too Racist to Trademark!

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments today in a case about "offensive" speech & the First Amendment.

Can the U.S. Patent Office deny trademark requests it deems disparaging or offensive, or is that a violation of the First Amendment? The Supreme Court will decide in the case of Lee v. Tam, which began oral arguments today.

The case, which Jacob Sullum wrote about earlier today, centers around an Asian-American rock group called "The Slants," which attempted to trademark its name in 2011 but was denied on the grounds that it was offensive.

"When I first heard about this," the band's founder and bassist Simon Tam told Reason's Meredith Bragg, "I though it was a practical joke."

Ironically, Tam says, the name was intended "to flip the slur around" and convey a "positive, self-empowering" message to fans.

Interview by Meredith Bragg. Cameras by Joshua Swain and Mark McDaniel, who also edited the video. Music by The Slants.

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  • bacon-magic||

    Lacist.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Bassist. BASSIST.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ironically, Tam says, the name was intended "to flip the slur around" and convey a "positive, self-empowering" message to fans.

    That's a slippery slope.

  • ||

    The Slopes!

  • Jimbo||

    I don't get it.

  • Mongo||

    Slopes are the Vietnamese during the Vietnam War.

  • Jimbo||

    My sarcasm is way too dry. Sorry, Mongo.
    Also: Me sooooo horny!!!

  • Mongo||

    Ah, OK....

  • Set Us Up The Chipper||

    Candy gram for Mongo

  • Jimbo||

    Fuckin' Chinks!

    ...What? You don't like my band name?

  • ||

    The guy on the far left looks more like a Beaner than a Slant.

  • GILMORE™||

    more like a Beaner than a Slant.

    They could be a "flip"

    (aka filipino)

  • ||

    Currently, three Japanese Americans and one guy born in China.

  • ||

    They should've applied for 'The Interment Campers' first, *then* 'The Slants'.

  • Ted S.||

    If you're being interred, I don't think you're just camping.

  • Radioactive||

    How about "the inclined planes"?

  • Trigger Hippie||

    How about Jaundice Gashes?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Simon Tam

    Wait what? Where are the charges of cultural appropriation? I suppose the next thing you're going to tell me is he's got a sister named River Tam.

  • Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"||

    At the very least, if he doesn't have a daughter with express purpose of naming her "River", angels will cry.

  • ||

    Perfection would be if he had a sister name River Tam.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    She sometimes supports the band during studio recording sessions. She plays the triangle.

    When the band is live she's on stage doing a jig in clodhopper boots.

  • Mongo||

    I've mentioned this before but, to my surprise, many commentators never heard of it.

    Growing up in Hicksville in the 70s we always said that Asian coochies have horizontal slits rather than vertical.

    Of course, as you got older, you began to doubt it until Penthouse magazine came out with a shoot where the Asian girl was retouched to have a horizontal slit.

    That set us back in thinking a few years.... hahaw!

  • ||

    An Asian pipefitter once told me that they were on a 45. (degree angle)

  • ||

    I heard the same rumor growing up in rural Kentucky.

    When I told my (Asian) wife about it, she was fit to be tied.

    Which I then did, and examined the matter further.

  • Tundra||

    AND???

  • ||

    ...and determined the rumors to be false, much to my relief. So I untied her and we watched a popular television program of the time and had a lovely dinner, going to bed early so we would be rested for our office jobs the next day. The end.

  • Tundra||

    *disappointed*

  • ||

    That's why there's a hobo graveyard in my basement from all the bums I've murdered. It's a harmless escape from my unbearably quotidian life.

  • Tundra||

    Does the wife help?

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Its a horizontal hobo graveyard to be sure.

  • ||

    1) Wife only helps if I lie to promise not to PIIHB that weekend, and 2) I have no idea what Paul is referencing below.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Gojira,

    Please reference Paul's reference.

  • fish||

    It's a harmless escape from my unbearably quotidian life.

    You use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.......

    Asian of course!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgSPO191GrQ

  • Charles Easterly||

    Not all who wander are lost, fish.

    Regardless, I am glad that you found yourself.

    Only you could.

    Oh - and welcome aboard.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Was this Wednesday? 'Cause Wednesday is business time.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Paul,

    Nice.

    Coincidentally, this describes something a buddy of mine was reminded of this past weekend.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    In my previous job one of my co-workers was one of the most beautiful women... pretty much anywhere. I used to give her shit by telling her she was the most beautiful girl in the whole wide room, depending on the room.

  • Charles Easterly||

    This is one reason why you are not a misfit (at H&R).

    Methinks that this is also another interesting coincidence

  • Tuan Jim||

    Definitely business time.

  • Sevo||

    "AND???"

    The cable got fixed.

  • Not a True MJG||

    Weird for you to wait five years into the marriage to ask.

  • AlmightyJB||

    "horizontal slits"

    Same rumor among us young punks growing up in Ohio. In fact, I was going to suggest a new band name for those guys along that line:)

  • ||

    Pssssht. Amateurs.

    I wasn't content to sit around and puzzle about it. I just went and found out for myself.

  • John C. Randolph||

    I think we should test this further by trying to trademark "Obama is a Commie Ratfucker" and "Trump is a Ratfucking Putin Fluffer" and see if the trademark office objects to one or both of them.

    -jcr

  • John Titor||

    I want them to have a street fight with World Order. My money's on Genki Sudo.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Titor,

    The "sitting down" at (approximately) the 3:35 mark and the seeming levitations beginning in the temporal vicinity of the 5:00 mark were as icing on that visual cake, Sir.

  • C. Anacreon||

    I wonder if this group World Order could merge with the members of New Order.
    They could call the resulting band New World Order.

  • Set Us Up The Chipper||

    Sudo can do anything.

  • yet another dave||

    Well I guess they don't have to worry about someone copywriting their band name

  • Somebody else||

    "It's okay when we use that word. But when you use it it's offensive." - except all topsy turvy. That's too funny.

  • Long Woodchippers||

    I'm surprised they didn't argue equal protection. The government issue trademark is a protection that grants financial benefit to the owner of the trademark. By withholding the trademark for what the government deems offensive but which is allowed by the first amendment, the government is thus not providing equal protection.

  • Robert||

    That's what I thought too. Not allowing the trademark means anyone can speak or write it, so how is it against freedom of speech or press?

  • 1290||

    It's freedom of speech because of the argument that the government is making a content-based distinction.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    BTW, I would give my left nut for one of those dragons to adorn a wall in my house.

  • Playa Manhattan.||

    I always assumed you were more of a pink flamingo kind of guy.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    That's the backyard, smartass.

  • GILMORE™||

    Are you kidding? You can get them on Canal St for like $20

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    WHAT? Link please. And it better be made of heavy, carved wood.

  • GILMORE™||

    naw, i was thinking the plastic kind. wood or metal and you're talking "real money". (couple hundred?)

    I don't have a link for any "chinatown restaurant supply", but i promise you there's a basement on Mott st. that has like 100 of those things collecting dust. its one of those things you can find in 10 mins just yelling at someone on the Canal St. sidewalk, but would take forever to find on the internet.

    this story has links to a bunch of Bowery/Delancy restaurant supply shops. I bet you call and ask one "where the hell do chinese retaurants get those wall-dragons" and they'll tell you who you need to talk to. You have to remember that like a dozen chinese restaurants open and close every single day in NYC. there are entire local industries build around buying and selling their crap.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    If it's of decent quality, I'm all over it like a cheap suit.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I've considered doing a midnight requisition of one of these.

    There was a rich guy that literally drove off with a 40' totem poll in broad daylight and even got some impromptu help from the cops who stopped traffic to let him maneuver is truck into place, so I figure I could do the same thing.

  • Tundra||

    The totem pole story is awesome!

    When asked about the incident Wednesday, Daniel Jenks said he didn't recall it. "Wow!" he said. "I'm not familiar with that." He said he had a stroke a few years ago that has affected his memory.

    I'm gonna be using that a lot.

  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

    With a pair of nunchuks mounted in a holder above it too, for full effect. You need a big American flag taking up the full opposite wall too, for full bitchin' effect.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I want a real dragon

  • Charles Easterly||

    Dragons do not exist, JB.

    Wait....

  • ||

    Niggas Persons of Color with Attitude

  • Playa Manhattan.||

    Not all colors. Just yellow.

  • Tundra||

    Sorry, guys.

    I'm unimpressed.

  • Juice||

    Wow. That's bad.

  • Rhywun||

    I thought, nah it can't be that bad.

    It is.

  • thrakkorzog||

    I kind of went into it expecting a lousy punk band. The punks at least have an excuse that, hey, their instruments spend half the time in pawn shops, so it's hard to master those three chords.

    But being a shitty pop band, there's no excuse for that.

  • GILMORE™||

    oh god thats painfully bad

    nothing is quite so awful as a band trying to 'energy-up' uninspired and derivative music by acting very emotional about it. I think its generally better to just take the "Devo" approach and be 'less emphatic' than the music is.

  • Tundra||

    Great song. Great band. Great bass.

    Awful outfits.

  • GILMORE™||

    Awful outfits.

    Well, they were a concept band. and as far as concepts go, 'Nuclear Garbagemen from the future' seems to me to be stylistically "less awful" than a lot of contemporary alternatives.

  • Juice||

    One of the most underrated bands ever.

  • Tundra||

    It's really a shame most people only know that godawful Whip It.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Agreed, Tundra.

    Example Given: Beautiful World .

  • The Fusionist||

    Hey!

  • Trigger Hippie||

    "nothing is quite so awful as a band trying to 'energy-up' uninspired and derivative music by acting very emotional about it."

    This is what's known as 'the Hoobastank'.

  • Rhywun||

    be 'less emphatic' than the music is

    And thus was born shoegaze, among others.

  • Trigger Hippie||

    Ugh. I made it about a minute before shutting that down. The guitar work was just too fucking atrocious.

  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

    Despite the suck, they should still get their god damn registered trademark if they want.

  • Trigger Hippie||

    Agreed. But didn't this ship sail with the Redskins?

  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

    I listened to like 3 of their tracks. God, they suck.

  • GILMORE™||

    I know, i felt so bad about the first one, i actually gave them a second chance. The second was worse.

  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

    The most passionate part of all of their music are the ever-present awful synthesizer riffs, and that gives me a sads.

  • Tundra||

    I guarantee you that was their producer. He was in a panic after hearing the raw tracks.

  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

  • Tundra||

    Very nice.

  • DEG||

    I got ten seconds in, then killed the video.

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    then killed the video

    What, like some kind of radio/Buggles revenge thing?

  • The Fusionist||

    I tried to warn you in an earlier thread.

    They should have at least called it Sweet and Sour Love.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Ironically, Tam says, the name was intended "to flip the slur around" and convey a "positive, self-empowering" message to fans.

    "Self empowerment? That sounds like anarchism. We'll do the empowerment-ing around here, Sonny."

  • JaimeRoberto||

    Why don't they realize that it's the white man's burden to protect these chinks from racial slurs?

  • ||

    Can the U.S. Patent Office deny trademark requests it deems disparaging or offensive, or is that a violation of the First Amendment?
    ...
    Asian-American rock group called "The Slants,"

    I'm not advocating for communism here but what good is an oppositional communist government if you can't fucking use it?

    I defer to other experts here (HM?) but I assume there is at least one and probably dozens of Asian ideograms depicting both the racial slur as well as a general notion of 'up shot' that you could put on the books in China and then demand the USPTO respect it. Else anti-free speech *and* preferential IP protection.

  • Bra Ket||

    People are using it, just not for what you want. For example in this case more powerful people than you are using it to enforce their emotional sensibilities on everyone else and make themselves feel warm and fuzzy.

  • ||

    They should change their name to the Oriental Muthafuckas. Or maybe the Chingy Lingy Fuck a Us. WTF? Are the snowflakes running the patent office now? Everything that is allowed to be invented has already been allowed to be invented.

  • __Warren__||

    The ChinaMentals.

  • SomeGuy||

    who the fuck cares if its racist. Words are relative you pussies. Grow the fuck up :/

  • AlmightyJB||

    They should change their name to "Patent Office Clerks have Dicks Smaller than Asians"

    Also, will the NWA have to retroactively charge the name on all their tracks?

  • Cyto||

    I knew this crowd would pick up on that.

    If you can trademark mathematical terms (google) and common house parts (windows) and fruit (apple) you dang sure should be able to trademark a geometric description (slants).

  • Rich||

    Can the U.S. Patent Office deny trademark requests it deems disparaging or offensive, or is that a violation of the First Amendment?

    It's a violation of the First Amendment. Next question.

  • Robert||

    Explain how anyone's freedom of speech is impaired by nobody's being able to keep a competitor from using a name.

  • Rich||

    It's offensiveness all the way down!

  • Derpetologist||

    Student jailed for passing out Constitutions because it might threaten 'rural farm' students

    According to the lawsuit, here's what self-appointed protector of non-urban students and defendant Drew Hutchinson, manager of student life, told student Gregoire:

    He said that a lot of the students from Calhoun County "are growing up on a farm, or they don't have wifi, they don't have internet, you know it's a very different situation, they were brought up in a very different manner." Defendant Hutchinson said, "That's who I'm trying to protect."
  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

    Don't know where to start. I can't even.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Derp,

    Is not "Young Americans for Liberty" something that originated during one of the Ron Paul Campaigns?

  • Derpetologist||

    Conservative students ARRESTED for handing out Constitutions

    Kellogg Community College is being sued after campus police arrested three conservative activists and college students while they were handing out pocket Constitutions and signing students up for a conservative student organization.
  • Derpetologist||

    Oopsy. Brain fart.

  • DEG||

    Tonight's beer

    It's excellent. Quebec brewers are world class. No I won't dredge up my elementary-at-best French to say that in French.

  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

    Where'd you get it? Locally? Haven't had beer in a week due to an aggressive cold. :(

  • DEG||

    I think I did. I might have gone to Massachusetts for it.

  • Radioactive||

    yeah, if your asshole is the world...Canuck beer sucks, truly moose piss

  • The Fusionist||

    Offensive classical groups:

    Beethoven's Deaf Jam

    Giuseppi Verdi and the Radetskis

  • The Fusionist||

    Yo Ma Ma Is So Fat He Makes Luciano Pavarotti Look Thin

  • DEG||

  • DEG||

    Though he was Viceroy of Lombardy-Venetia.

  • The Fusionist||

    That's the joke - Verdi was an Italian patriot and Radetsky crushed the Italians in 1848.

  • DEG||

    Oh. I'll go back to drinking beer.

  • The Fusionist||

  • The Fusionist||

  • Quincy.||

    Stockhausen and the First Responders

  • lap83||

    Wagner (too easy?)

  • ||

    Raines is in WOO-HOO!

  • ||

    Fucken useless bureaucrats.

    Worse comes to worse, just go with The Slints or The Chanks.

    And then explain why.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    'Sligger' would be a real timesaver; two birds-one stone and all that.

  • straffinrun||

    "We can use it to talk about our slant on life as people of color."

    It's hard to even listen to people once the P o' C phrase gets tossed out. Just say "nonwhite" and see how your words are received.

  • The Fusionist||

    "the P o' C phrase"

    Piece of Crap, as in "this song is a piece of crap?"

  • straffinrun||

    Better not be talking about this song.

  • XM||

    Here's a really great J-pop song, best part starts at 17 second mark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpqTJySA5Sc

  • The Fusionist||

    Another celebrity death, and some unfinished business

    "William Peter Blatty, Academy Award-winning author of The Exorcist, has died. The renowned novelist passed away January 12 at the age of 89....

    "...perhaps the effort which had the greatest impact within Catholicism was not Blatty's published writing, but a Canon Law petition which Blatty authored, regarding his alma mater, Georgetown University....Blatty [and over 2,000 others] asked Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, to remove the label "Catholic" from the school because of its continuing embrace of secularism....

    "In 2014...the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education seemed determined to investigate the situation at Georgetown, and to work with the university to enact reforms....

    "Georgetown's administration, however, has seemed reluctant to turn the rudder toward greater orthodoxy. This year, for example, the university credentialed a radically pro-abortion student group on campus, Medical Students for Choice. The group's self-described mission was to train "tomorrow's abortion providers."...

    "...[Thanks to student activism it seems] that Medical Students for Choice has been deleted from Georgetown's roster of more than 200 student groups. William Blatty would be proud."

  • Radioactive||

    yeah, and that guy from Loyola too...I think his name was Ignatius or something like that...

  • straffinrun||

    No, you can't watch that. And quit picking your nose.

    In an email to parents Monday, Brett Meteyer said he will let students watch Trump's inauguration ceremony, but will not show the speech because he fears what the 45th president could say.
  • commodious is fated to pretend||

    Considering his speeches are now better versed and much more restrained than his tweets, what's the fucking problem?

  • PapayaSF||

    Speaking of racist (but hilarious!) terms, does everyone know about this story? Pablo is a "gender-fluid" (or something) SJW activist whose pronoun is "they" and who murdered one young woman and tried to kill another, both of them apparently fellow SJWs. Anyway, I read someone describe him as a "transbeaner," which cracked me up.

  • GILMORE™||

    and here's the murderer mugging with jerry brown and tom steyer

    and here's the story about people getting upset that incorrect pronouns were being used for the murder-suspect

    and here's the summary of their resume =

    he was majoring in "Chicanx/Latinx studies." He was involved in the campus Queer Alliance Resource Center, and, according to news accounts, was a "senior climate action fellow" at the campus Alliance for Climate Education (which appears to have recently scrubbed all references to him from its website, although an apparently overlooked photo of him remains). He helped organize a graffiti-chalking to protest the return of a UC-Berkeley law professor who had been found in violation of the university's sexual-harassment policy. He was on the scene of a Black Lives Matter-style freeway blocking to protest the 2014 Ferguson killing. In September 2016 he was captured on video harassing UC-Berkeley's College Republicans and trying to grab what was said to be a Donald J. Trump poster. His tweet history included such statements as "The United States is a violent white supremacist empire whose only fate is annihilation."
  • DEG||

    I have a copy of "Billy and the Boingers Bootleg", but unfortunately have lost the record that came with it. I just discovered this.

  • DEG||

  • thrakkorzog||

    Yeah, I had that Billy and the Boingers vinyl back in the day. Unfortunately, it lacked their classic song, "Let's run over Lionel Ritchie with a Tank."

    Who can forget such Classic lyrics like,
    "Middle of the road,
    Oh it stank,
    Let's run over Lionel Ritchie with a tank."

    You can bet that there were some pissed off Samoans about that one.

  • ||

    Holy Gods those guys suck.

    Everybody knows Asians cant do western music.

    Oh, wait....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z86JNeWvk-I

  • GILMORE™||

    Everybody knows Asians cant do western music

    i know you're being facetious, but it is funny that they're (almost) the *only* people doing western (classical) music anymore

  • ||

    Did you click the link?

    There is something surreal about an asian girl playing bluegrass. And her two little kids keeping beat like right proper rednecks.

  • GILMORE™||

    Yes i did. it was great.

    i don't know what you mean by surreal. I think jewish kids doing bluegrass in brooklyn (*and yes, that's been a thing for a long time now) is actually weirder.

    I also have a hasidic friend who plays Professor Longhair style piano, and has a @#(*)@ hammond organ in his bloody apartment.

    *2 of the people in that quartet are high-school buddies of mine.

  • Sevo||

    "Feinstein signals she'll run for re-election in 2018"
    [...]
    "Feinstein told KQED-FM that "as long as I feel I can get things done, and I can, then I think I benefit the people of my state as opposed to someone new coming in."
    http://www.sfgate.com/politics.....867252.php

    Maybe she'll run on an anti-assault-gun platform and really help the Ds.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Why don't the Dems demand that she publish her tax returns?

    The kickbacks that her husband's business earned from Dianne's influence are staggering.

  • ||

    They say it couldn't be done but we did it. We Canadians managed to get a guy who is more vapid and preposterous in his gibberish than Obama. Who says we can't beat America? The second link includes Tweets mocking Pop Tart Parmigiana.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/n.....ening-tour

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017.....on-comment

  • GILMORE™||

    Obama was a professional slinger of vapidity. It sounds like Justin is a 3rd-string junior-college B team slinger.

  • Sevo||

    "Trump vs. California: How the battle will be waged"
    [...]
    "California lawmakers are bracing for a fight against soon-to-be President Trump and top officials in his administration who have said they will push for policy and legal changes that would threaten several of the state's progressive laws."
    http://www.sfchronicle.com/bay.....iclerecirc

    We're Californians, we're begging for money and we're not gonna stop!

  • PapayaSF||

    I am looking forward to this battle, even though I live in the city that will lose.

  • Sevo||

    Some battle.
    CA threatens to send other brain-dead lefties to DC! I'm sure someone there is quaking in their boots, but it's probably low-level staffers for the current b-d ls.

  • chemjeff||

    Maybe California will rediscover federalism?

    HA

  • ||

    They should resubmit with their band name Slants With Attitude, as well as trademarking the abbreviated version of their name, SWA.

  • ||

    Why didn't Reason report on Hillary's French-Canadian lineage?

    "She really has a good French-Canadian line," she said in an interview. "And when you trace her matrilineal line, or female to female to female, her ultimate female ancestor is Jeanne Ducorps, one of the Filles du Roi."

    So....whore.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/hi.....-1.3148136

  • Pompey: Ho Class Mothersmucker||

    Dude, who cares about this shit? Durrrrr she has French-Canadian blood therefore ethnic kinship is good durrrrrrr

  • GILMORE™||

    1971 XKE with a stroker 383

    english class, american muscle. style, hilarity.

    related = a super-pimped out XJ8L with an 575HP LS3

    the point of the car is "something to pick up clients in, and then scare them". it sounds like godzilla.

  • Sevo||

    Dunno about the 12, but a SBC was certainly lighter than the 3.8 Jag 6. But I also don't recall the Jag differential as having a very good rep; they need skinny tires on that thing.

  • GILMORE™||

    the entire build is fully explained on the mechanic's channel

  • GILMORE™||

    Also = i suspect the thing handles like complete dogshit. but as everyone with taste knows.. the E type, even in its americanized forms is just sooooo good looking, that i think it would be a thrill just as a boss cruising car that makes pleasant manly engine noises as well.

  • Sevo||

    "...the E type, even in its americanized forms is just sooooo good looking, that i think it would be a thrill just as a boss cruising car that makes pleasant manly engine noises as well."

    Even Enzo commented that the E was among the most beautiful cars he'd seen (unless that was apocryphal), but I've always preferred the 'crisper' lines of some of his cars:
    http://joemacari.com/All-Cars-.....o_1106.htm

  • GILMORE™||

    If i had a few million extra i'd probably comparison-shop as well

  • Sevo||

    Being an old fart has advantages; they were far less expensive in the '70s and just as much fun. Maybe more, since they were just old cars at the time. A paid-up credit card and a AAA membership meant you could do X-country runs with no worries. The guy at the gas station in Wyoming looked at the horse and asked if it was a new model Mustang. I said "No".
    250 Ferraris will average over 100MPH for several hours at a time. But they were crude; any Toyota was a far better automobile. But that 250 was a far better Ferrari than any Toyota could ever hope to be. It got sold; it is a young man's car.
    There are cars now which look expensive now, but will turn out to be not so much; I could'a been wrong in the '70s.

  • PapayaSF||

    You had a Ferrari 250??

  • ||

    The 250 Lusso is simply divine.

  • Sevo||

    It turns out that to retain use of the name as a trade mark, you MUST NOT allow it to remain dormant for X years, so car makers reuse the name seemingly at random:
    http://gtc4lusso.ferrari.com/en_us/
    The Lusso Station Wagon!

  • PapayaSF||

    That is pretty cool. Decades ago, I saw an XKE in a used car lot for $2,000 and said to myself: "One day I'll have $2,000 and buy one." But by the time I had $2000 they were $10,000. And by the time I had $10,000 they were $30,000. So I gave up.

  • Sevo||

    "Decades ago, I saw an XKE in a used car lot for $2,000 and said to myself: "One day I'll have $2,000 and buy one.""

    You would have needed an additional $5K to get it running right again.
    Unless you're a real wrench, you saved yourself a ton of money. No Brit car should ever be more than 200 miles from the factory.

  • Number.6||

    Between the Girling hydraulics and the Lucas electricals, I'd say 200 miles is optimistic.

  • PapayaSF||

    Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?

    A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators.

  • Radioactive||

    on a clear, dry day I'd say 150 before those shit SU carbs get out of alignment...

  • PapayaSF||

    I had a TR-6 for a while instead, so I know what you mean.

  • Robert||

    I can't figure out how this is a freedom-of-speech issue. Failure to grant a trademark simply means anyone can use that mark, with none of them being allowed to keep each other from printing or saying it. I could see how failure to grant such a license to keep others from saying or printing it could be a violation of some sort of equality under the law, but not how it's a freedom-of-speech-or-press issue.

  • PapayaSF||

    If any publication could call themselves the New York Times, would it not inhibit their freedom of the press?

  • 1290||

    It's both, but it's freedom of speech because the government is treating them differently based on the content of their speech.

    Just about any 1st Amendment claim could be resolved into an equal protection question, but the courts tend to deal with it directly as a 1A matter.

  • PapayaSF||

  • Sevo||

    We were all certainly worried by the VRWC agents going to off Obo, weren't we?
    I guess brown shirts are available from Ralph Lauren as well as Hugo Boss...

  • PapayaSF||

    A great rant.

    The left and its establishment allies are desperate to regain the power they see slipping away, and we need to understand that the only way to stop them is to beat them to a pulp and leave them whimpering in the fetal position, crying out for their genderfluid mommies.
  • thrakkorzog||

    OT: But I don't remember seeing this story discussed around here, since it seems like it would be right up Reason's alley. Basically, the court tossed out evidence on a "knock and announce"/"no-knock" raid because of the excessive force used by the police.

    So, hey score one for the court system. And -1 for the prosecutors for arguing that tossing flashbangs into cribs is acceptable police behavior these days. (It's probably a different cops toss a flashbang grenade into crib story then the one you're thinking of though. No toddlers were horribly figured this time.)

  • Radioactive||

    why the fuck not?

  • Uncle Jay||

    RE: 'The Slants': The Asian-American Band Name the Government Says Is Too Racist to Trademark!
    The Supreme Court heard oral arguments today in a case about "offensive" speech & the First Amendment.

    Well, the decision from the SCOTUS should give us all a new slant on free speech.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Well, the decision from the SCOTUS should give us all a new slant on free speech.

    The slope of history is inclined to justice.

  • Uncle Jay||

    Yeah, and its a slippery slope at that.

  • Eman||

    First they came for the slants...

  • Eman||

    But since I'm not a slant, why would anyone expect me to do anything about it?

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