What Did We Learn From DOGE?
Plus: A listener asks which domestic policy changes could realistically boost U.S. manufacturing without raising costs for consumers.
This week, editors Peter Suderman, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Matt Welch critique the apparent wind down of Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) initiative, highlighting its lack of transparency and failure to achieve meaningful spending cuts. They also analyze the GOP's new tax plan, which contradicts promises of fiscal responsibility by significantly increasing the deficit. Finally, the hosts defend classical liberalism against critics like C. Bradley Thompson, arguing that libertarians do fight cultural and policy battles—just not by wielding state power.
0:00—Introduction
2:11—Musk exits DOGE
11:47—Why we need to start paying for government spending
14:57—Extending President Donald Trump's tax cuts
19:08—Is classical liberalism losing?
35:09—Listener question: What domestic policy changes would entice manufacturing to come back to the U.S.?
43:22—Is Trump getting a free plane from Qatar?
46:13—Prescription drug price controls
49:47—Weekly cultural recommendations
Mentioned in this podcast:
"Elon Musk Discovers That Serious Spending Cuts Are 'Really Difficult,'" by Jacob Sullum
"DOGE Has Been a Smashing Success," by Christian Britschgi
"Raising the SALT Cap Is a Gift to High-Tax States," by Jared Dillian
"Trump's New Budget Is Another Blueprint for Big Spending," by Veronique de Rugy
"Trump Wants To Increase Military Spending by $113 Billion," by Jack Nicastro
"The New Right Isn't So New," by Stephanie Slade
"Abundance Makes the Case for 'Supply-Side Progressivism,'" by Virginia Postrel
"Idiot Wind," by David Weigel
"The Idiocracy Candidate," by Matt Welch
"The Mind of Mike Judge," by Jesse Walker
"Is America Entering Her Kakistocracy Era?" by Steven Greenhut
Upcoming Reason events:
Rise Above: Nick Gillespie and Scott Barry Kaufman in Conversation, May 19
Reason Speakeasy: Susannah Cahalan on The Acid Queen, June 3
Reason Versus debate: Jacob Sullum and Billy Binion vs. Charles Fain Lehman and Rafael Mangual, June 24
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clearly you learned to not guess the ending of your book before you read it, no?
Who’s the guy on the left?
That guy looks like a chick.
I assume you already know, but that is the editor in chief of this rag, KMW, who is responsible for it abandoning libertarianism outside of shallow branding.
Why we need to
start paying forstop government spending.Oh. You're one of those crazy libertarian types. We don't do that here.
The only thing we really learned is something we already knew.
Government waste, fraud, and abuse cannot be solved through normal means.
Note how many people were offended at the mere thought of auditing the federal government. Any waste that was found, or has ever been found, is excused away as a 'drop in the bucket'.
Well, friend, I'll remind you of this simple quote:
“A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money."
I wasn't aware that DOGE was going anywhere. This seems more "celebratory anticipation" than fact-based news. But of course reason would be celebratory. It's very existence depends upon The Grift, just like other Washingtonian punditry. The Grift can't exist when the bureaucracy is being dismantled, their juicy government-funded stipends are being eliminated, and their deep-state friends whom they rely upon for inside information and friendly company at DC cocktail events are given their walking papers.
"highlighting its lack of transparency and failure to achieve meaningful spending cuts"
What awful people you are...
Yes, "lack of transparency" is listing everything you're doing on your website. Something tells me whatever shortcomings of DOGE that exist are due to red tape and bureaucratic pushback, not because of a desire of the members of DOGE to hide information.
Cutting spending by way of Congress is a fucking pipe-dream, and the staff of reason know as well as us that it will never happen.
Fuck you, cut spending.