Ben Smith: Why It Matters that Gawker, BuzzFeed News, and Breitbart News Failed
A decade ago, online startups seemed poised to vanquish legacy media. That didn't happen.

For today's episode, I talk with Ben Smith, the first editor in chief of recently shuttered BuzzFeed News, former New York Times media columnist, and founder of Semafor. In his new book Traffic: Genius, Rivalry, and Delusion in the Billion-Dollar Race To Go Viral, Smith charts the rise and fall of Gawker, The Huffington Post, Breitbart News, and his old employer.
In the '00s and early 2010s, these sites dominated news cycles and pulled millions of eyeballs due to their unique abilities to shape media narratives in surprising and irresistible ways. Indeed, it seemed they would define the new century while legacy outlets such as The New York Times would be lucky to survive in the new, massively online mediascape. Yet the rise of Donald Trump, revenge lawsuits, untimely deaths, and the vagaries of the internet ended up disrupting the disrupters.
Ben and I talk about all that, plus his controversial decision at BuzzFeed to publish the Steele Dossier, what the firings of Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon mean for journalism, and his aims for his new media platform, Semafor.
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LOL at the interviewee and the topic.
He's plugging a book. I don't know if Reason realized we were smart to it and changed this up, but if it follows the old methodology we'll get two more articles about this dude.
Always good to have these "news" articles that are thinly veiled advertisements. You know, for credibility.
And why it matters that many more of them desperately need to fail to right this ship.
Fyi, even I am shocked out how cozy the press-Biden admin administration is. Again, saying "the mask is slipping" doesn't begin to reveal how insidious this is.
what the firings of Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon
These are not two peas in the same packaged pod. Don Lemon suffers from low ratings and poor returns. Tucker Carlson is really one of two reasons anyone watches Fox News. The two situations are entirely different.
Proof: Sitting national level politicians weren't on national television demanding more Tucker Carlson's get fired.
Now that's off my chest, we may return to our regular coverage of The Rise of Donald Trump, how he's literally worse than Hitler, and how Ron DeSantis is literally worse than Trump.
I'm glad she acknowledged the monstrous premise of this otherwise good comedy. A couple breaks up, so they decide to divide up their infant twins -- so each girl will never see the other parent, her sister, or any of her other relatives again? Or even know she has a sister? Just as in the original version of this movie, the real villains a re clearly both parents.....
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Carlson was popular because of his time slot and network, just like O'Reilly before him. Fox viewers don't turn off the TV or that channel so Fox won't miss a step. Everyone on that channel is replaceable. Confirmation bias is powerful, and Fox viewers eat it up in spades.
Bullshit. Carlson's demographics were markedly different from the rest of Fox's lineup. As was his politics. Your determined ignorance is showing.
I just looked, Breitbart is still online.
The only thing Nick got right was : "Today's sponsors ... Working with a therapist can help you get closer to the best version of you"
Woe to the nation that falls for fugitives from Network like Breitbart and Tuck, or worse still the loonies at The Nation itself.
Maybe he got them mixed up with Vice?
Couldn't be a deliberate lie to "both sides" the whole issue, journolists would never do that.
To be fair, its meteoric rise curtailed sharply when Breitbart died.
I was questioning that. Didn't recall hearing any news about it. Tbh, I think Breitbart's quality went down the shitter after Andrew's death, but I don't think they've been doing poorly
Huh, so these "leaked videos" which are supposed to make Tucker Carlson look bad make me like him more. Funny how that works.
I DEMAND MORE LEAKED VIDEOS OF TUCKER!
Steele Dossier
Wingnut catnip.
You used to love talking about it.
What changed?
It was proven fake and Pluggo's Open Society handlers found out he was neck-deep in shit over it.
For Plug it was like finding out the girl he thought was 13 was really just a short 25 year old.
Facts. The New York Times "built the entire newsroom around it".
>>his controversial decision at BuzzFeed to publish the Steele Dossier
I know very little about buzzfeed but this could not have increased credibility
yeah, among many.
OMG LOL indeed.
BuzzFeed was the worst website on the internet BEFORE it attempted (and failed) to get into the "serious" news business.
March, 2015.
God I hated that website. I hated it with a white-hot passion.
I love how journolists think they're above ethics and the law. Gawker chose to create legal liabilities and paid for it, Buzzfeed and Vice decided to virtue signal rather than provide truth. Teason is fine as long as they keep sucking that Koch/Soros dick for cash.
They didn't get the $3M Gov-Grant from Gov-Media LLC for patriotic censoring of course. As-if that is a surprise.
In socialist nations like the USA; those who control all the money (like US politics) gets to pick the winners and losers of the press.
Buzzfeed and Gawker are important as object lessons in how not to run an internet media company?
You know he's a leftist from how many times he says "in this moment".
Not hard to figure out at all. Those sights all got captured by TDS and that was the "news" 24/7. Unfortunately, all that "news" they put up was fake without any basis in fact. With Trump out of office they had nothing else so bye
My youngest sister is Breitbart's VP for Communications. I will have to break the news to her that Breitbart.com has failed. Who knew?