A Reality Check on Coronavirus, Congress, and Elon Musk's Taxes
Time to stop pretending

It's a Reason Roundtable remix this Monday! With Matt Welch out, Peter Suderman fills in and leads Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Associate Editor Billy Binion through the latest news on the coronavirus, congressional drama, billionaires, pop culture, and more. You don't want to miss this.
1:45: Editor holiday plans in the face of the latest COVID panic.
19:31: Congressional update: Biden's Build Back Better stalling and Manchin's objections.
41:05: Weekly Listener Question: I have a theory (some might call it a conspiracy theory) that Elon Musk is gearing up to run for President in the 2024 election cycle. Would anyone on the Roundtable consider voting for Elon if he were to run for President, as a Republican, in 2024? Could his running for office potentially strangle Justin Amash's chances of being successful as the prospective Libertarian Party nominee?
54:55: Media recommendations for the week. (And click here for all of the Roundtable's media recommendations, ever.)
This week's links:
- "Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID," by Matthew Walther
- "White House lights up Manchin after he crushes Biden's megabill," by Burgess Everett, Nicholas Wu, and Jonathan Lemire
- "Kim Kardashian's Love of Lower Taxes and Individual Rights Has Made Her Politically Homeless," by Billy Binion
- U.S. Billionaire Wealth Would Fund Government For Just 6 Months (video)
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We have evidently gone through a worm-hole in time and it's 1978 in Jonestown all over again.
QAnon cultists are now drinking bleach compound from communal bowl: 'Immediately evokes images of Jonestown'
https://www.rawstory.com/michael-brian-protzman-2656077019/
Well that story was just full of verifiable facts. Lol.
The Raw Story linked to The Dallas Observer. So what ia not verifiable?
Imagine an app where you can get unlocked access to reliable news sites.
Wingnut.com excluded.
Why, the sites don't talk about inflation?
Associated Press
Benchmark U.S. crude oil for January delivery fell $2.63 to $68.23 a barrel Monday. Brent crude for February delivery fell $2 to $71.52 per barrel.
Wholesale gasoline for January delivery fell 3 cents to $2.09 a gallon. January heating oil fell 5 cents to $2.17 a gallon. January natural gas rose 14 cents to $3.83 per 1,000 cubic feet.
Gold for February delivery fell $10.30 to $1,794.60 an ounce. Silver for March delivery fell 24 cents to $22.29 an ounce and March copper fell 1 cent to $4.29 a pound.
More "inflation" please!
Wow! So weird that in NC (today)
The price was over 3.20 a gallon!
Eat shit and die, liar.
Wholesale gasoline for January delivery fell 3 cents to $2.09 a gallon.
"wholesale" you dumbass.
You paid retail with heavy state and federal taxes today.
3 cents from a high... so how much from last year?
Oh, risen from the one pandemic year since 1919.
Now that is some fucking nice cherry picking!
What are so worried about if nothing is wrong?
Fine, choose 2 years ago. Same point.
Why cherry pick 3 cents from a high as if it is a good metric.
Rosenbaum’s Buttplug likes to kid with juvenile cherrypicking.
I quoted the Associated Press.
How is that cherry-picking? Energy prices have been falling sharply for six weeks.
Do consumers regularly buy crude oil? Gold?
Are grocery bills falling? Gasoline prices? Building materials?
You’re cherry-picking. I guess we should be happy you aren’t posting links to illegal content.
You haven't said one word about the producers price index. Why?
And yet, the price per gallon of gas in my area is almost double what it was during the Trump administration. Why would I need to read one of your cherry picked dishonest articles when I can see the proof right in front of me. Oh I remember; we're a bunch of idiots and shouldn't believe our own lying eyes. Piss off troll.
Are you going to believe your lying eyes?
"Prices are cheaper right now than they were at the opening of the market today!!!"
Looks like Buttplug discovered daily market fluctuations. Now let's see how shocked he is when he learns about trends.
Bet a looney that he posts a cherrypicked data point.
You win!
Crude has dropped from $84 to $68 within two months. NatGas has dropped from $6.40 to $3.88 in the same period.
Those are more than "daily fluctuations", you Trump fan boy.
And what are people paying at the pump, dummy?
$85.41 was the 52 Week High. $46.16 was the 52 Week Low
Currently:
OIL (WTI)Commodity
$70.98 -0.94-1.31%
02:27:00 PM EDT 12/17/2021NYMEX
https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/oil-price?type=wti&op=1
Daily fluctuations retard.
If you're going to be dishonest, don't be a retard at the same time.
“If you're going to be dishonest, don't be a retard at the same time.”
What do you want him to do, stop posting altogether?
And to think just this morning you claimed you didn't deny inflation.
But which sites are reliable these days?
POLITFACT!!!!!!!!!!!
"I have a theory (some might call it a conspiracy theory) that Elon Musk is gearing up to run for President in the 2024 election cycle."
Why would he waste his time doing that, when he's already changing this world--and working towards a colony on Mars?
Pretty much any political outsider that runs a business would be many factors better than what our political party gives us. The Dems are authoritarian and communists from top to bottom. The GOP has a few decent governors but the media has done a great job of slamming them as "literally Hitler" since they sometimes agree with Trump. And, Trump is pretty old. And his shtick is a bit thin.
With that said, I'm not sure Musk would waste his time. Unless he's getting older and really wants to waste a bunch of money and fuck with the Dems and the establishment GOP. If so, cheers to him and he's most likely got my vote.
I think the presidency would be a step down for him. They’d just launch a thousand investigations against him for the crime of beating them.
Well, it worked well against Trump. The voter fraud didn't hurt either; especially getting Zuck to pay for much of it.
That’s why he shouldn’t run.
Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, and Warren Buffet (too old now) are very intelligent and rational and would make great presidents.
But they aren't fire-breathing Aborto-Freak fascists like the GOP voters want. Voters on both sides want hyper-partisans and hyper-partisans are always stupid dolts like Trump turned out to be - and like Bernie Sanders would be too.
To paraphrase Bertrand Russell - Wise men are full of doubt and stupid men are always certain of things.
You and your straw men can fuck off.
Pocket-lining elitists who made their fortunes exploitering regulations would make even shittier presidents than Billionaire property developers.
Cuban is probably the best we could hope for as a libertarian leaning centrist. He doesn't lean as libertarian as he used to, but he would at least know you can't crush business and the wealthy and expect the nation to prosper.
There are better Cubans.
People from Maine. Except chumby, don't even know what Cubans are.
Wise men are full of doubt and stupid men are always certain of things.
Plug,
Self awareness is a gift …. that you lack.
all bad nanny state authoritarians
not mark cuban
Some folks want to give back. As opposed to those that want to bilk back.
Bilk Back Better?
So true.
Not only "why" but "how" could he do it. With a "Canadian mother and South African father", Musk has zero claim to the "Natural Born" citizenship status required for eligibility.
I realize that 2024 is nearly three years away but amending the
COTUS has traditionally taken much longer than that.
Where was Elon Musk born? If he was born in the US he is eligible to be POTUS. Don't be a birther idiot here or you will be called one.
Fuck you, see below. Don't be an ignoramus here or you will be called one.
Now he has to look up “ignoramus”.
Are you a birther?
Is that like a birthing person?
What we used to call a woman.
You're the dumbass who didn't know the difference between wholesale and retail.
I don’t buy wholesale fuckwit! And nobody else does either. Your masters deserve better than you.
I quoted wholesale price and you called me a liar - you shifless negro.
I'll never let you mow my lawn again.
I’ll still be fuckin you daughter.
Just make sure he doesn’t record you doing it. He’d probably post a link to it here.
Elon Musk bio. Google search so you don't have to rely on Wikipedia.
Also, it is pretty much a well-known fact among well-informed people that EM was born in South Africa.
The Babylon Bee had an article which noted he is an African-American.
🙂
The Boers or Afrikaners are a hardy, resilient and resourceful people. Unfortunately, they have extraordinarily primitive social and political ideas. More unfortunately, that is something they have in common with most other inhabitants of that continent.
Apparently, Elon learned more modern notions in his journey through life.
This from Captain Joshua Slocum, the first man to singlehandedly circumnavigate the Earth:
While I'm fairly sure that there are few flat-earthers among the Afrikaners today, it is interesting to note that less than a century and a quarter ago the belief was prevalent enough that the President of their country was one.
And I should have mentioned a birthplace in Pretoria, South Africa not U.S. territory in the dreams of the most fervent imperialists, interventionists or neocons.
Ignore my previous comment.
I recall you now. You are no birther like the Dotard is.
I am also not an ignoramus like you are.
Very few are. Even sarcasmic has more versatile thoughts.
Cite?
sarcasmic has on many occasions criticized levels of government spending. Admittedly he has criticized both Republicrats and Demopublicans for their sins, but he has been somewhat even handed.
Buttplug keeps pushing some kind of nonsense that Build Back Better, Biden, Bernie and AOC are all devotees of Von Mises and Hayek.
Umm what?
Find one quote of sarc criticizing bidens spending. I will find you 100 of him attacking conservatives. I've asked him to find one for 10 months now. And he still only does the latter.
He has been anything but even handed.
Buttplug's single-minded focus on being an asshole makes sarcasmic look broad-minded.
While a true statement, a large percentage of sarcs posts this morning were attacking Ken for discussing the failure of BBB. Not one single criticism of BBB itself.
Buttplug keeps pushing some kind of nonsense that Build Back Better, Biden, Bernie and AOC are all devotees of Von Mises and Hayek.
You don't spend much time here so your ignorance can be forgiven but I have been critical of both Trump and Biden for their multi trillion dollar boondoggles.
I rated both an "F" as President based on excessive growth of federal government.
Regular Peanuts know this fact.
Know this lie*
No, I spend a lot of time here, and have from the very beginning in the last century.
Perhaps people misunderstand you. Hmmm. Could that be because you are consistently uncivil and abusive? Could it be that you resort to invective and abuse before any attempt at civil discourse? Even Tony is less uncivil than you and he makes no claims to being a "classical liberal" or "libertarian".
Could that be because you are consistently uncivil and abusive? Could it be that you resort to invective and abuse before any attempt at civil discourse? Even Tony is less uncivil than you and he makes no claims to being a "classical liberal" or "libertarian".
So it is my poor style you object to. That's fair.
Yet I don't tell others to go kill themself (Sevo) or falsely claim they are pedophiles (all the QAnon types like Jesse).
When have I supported qanon? Telling the truth about your post history isn't qanon. The hilarious fact is you continue to push even debunked hysteria based lies like trump russia.
Could that be because you are consistently uncivil and abusive?
I think you may be confusing him with the uncivil and abusive responses to his posts.
Don't ever confuse JesseAz with someone who is honest and argues in good faith.
The evil always accuse themselves in their denunciations.
You know how stupid this look when others can see what I post right dummy? And good work defending SPB above lol.
Why would anyone ignore your previous comment? It provides further evidence of just how fucking ignorant you are.
Or maybe we should ignore all of your previous comments for all time.
His only comment you shouldn't ignore is when he admitted he donates to and pushes OSF talking points.
Yes, I admit it.
Karl Popper's Open Society is kind of an ideal with its transparency and rejection of dogma.
It is kind of the opposite of Trumpism which is why you must hate it.
Lol. No. The open society foundation. A leftist think tank openly trying to push leftist actions through elections.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/politics/george-soros-racial-justice-organizations.html
You leftist fuck.
In an Open Society racism is challenged, you dumb fuck.
When cops kill what they call ni**ers it should be questioned. that is justice.
Who better to challenge racism than a nazi collaborator am i right?
How cute. You think that's what the doctrine says. Wait. No, you're self proclaimed intelligent, so you know it isnt. It is a doctrine yo separate individuals on race and file grievances to divide people. It has brought back segregation for fucks sake.
What do you want to debate? I will crush you like a bug on any topic.
(I will take the classic liberal side of the argument).
If you can't think of one I suggest this - FA Hayek wrote that conservatives are slow and ignorant and unable to change.
You defend your side.
New liberal, not classic.
And you have never crushed anything. Your only power is openly lying such as you claiming you never posted links to child porn here.
Liar. Had the same IP address for the last 14 years posting here.
Reason has IP banned real assholes here (before your time).
All you QAnon types have is lies and calling people pedos when you Denny Hastert types are the real thing.
Lol. No. You posted child porn. Thats why your original name is banned. Everyone here around from that time can confirm.
Then why did your account disappear? If the IP was banned but it wasn’t yours.
Denny Hastert should swing from a rope. As should Subway Jared. And any other pedo porn peddler.
My old account is still here. I just don't know the password to it.
Yet all the posts under it were removed... all those links you posted.
Have Reason email you the password.
Let me guess. You also forgot the password to that email address.
And all of this coincidentally occurred at the same time the account was hacked or cloned when the kiddie porn was posted.
Since when do constitutional limitations matter?
Especially for an African-American.
He could just say that info was for literary purposes, and produce his Hawaiian birth certificate.
Or get the USA to annex South Africa and qualify retroactively, like McCain did with the Panama canal zone.
Colony? Why not a fiefdom? Or his own kingdom? Or the beginning of his galactic empire? Does anyone even know who Snoke was before the First Order?
Santa will conquer that colony.
Not sure how a half-Canadian from South Africa even gets mentioned for president, or is journalism that dead?
Man in Brooklyn taken to the ground for ordering food without a vaccine passports.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/1472677295655727112
Just following orders...
The left is trying to turn me into a fundamentalist Christian!
This is about where the self-styled glibertarians in the comments shrug this off as nothing to see, while having the vapors over a cop pulling someone over to give them a turkey on thanksgiving.
Some have seemed to have missed the original point I tried to make. Why are reason reporters talking seriously about an Elon Musk Presidential run?
Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
He simply is not qualified to run.
You win that point vs the Reason people.
Now debate me on any topic you choose. I will take the classic liberal side and you take the conservative side.
Let's stack some chairs.
New liberal*
You keep making this mistake pedo.
Remember when progressives stole the word “liberal “ when it became radioactive after the Wilson administration? Remember around 1990 when they switched back to “progressive” because of meany conservatives? I sure remember.
I mean he literally defends centralized planning and subjectivity over objectivity (CRT above) and calls himself a classical liberal. It is hilarious.
He’s a leftist and has the “Doublethink” perk.
Liar.
Faggot cracka.
Scroll up buddy. You defended it above.
It is amazing watching someone deny what they posted in the same damn thread.
Only you and sarc have accomplished that feat.
And then they sought to reinvent "Progressivism" as "inclusive" and "diverse" when historically Progressivism was anything but.
Progressivism in the late 19th and 20th centuries was all about conformity and uniformity; molding everyone into modernity (dragging them, kicking and screaming, into the 20th century - Progressivism had many metaphors of violence to go along with its literal violence).
Progressives were all about civilizing the savage, "teaching the Geechee out of the Negro", “Kill the Indian, and Save the Man”,
Burning the Village to Save It[Oops, that came from later heirs to the progressive mantle]. Indeed, all about making everyone conform to modern Western Civilization.Today Western Civilization is derided a white Supremacy, but never mind "modern-day Progressives" have put the old progressive's championship of Western Civilization into some kind of memory box to be forgotten along with their support of Eugenics and compulsory sterilization.
Western Civilization is superior to others.*
* = advancement of liberalization, secularism, open society, and freedom/liberty.
We win, hands down.
Always good to see you in comments, Mr. Bartram.
If you click that "mute user" button in the upper right hand corner of Shirke's comments, you won't see his comments anymore, and I haven't seen anyone yet who claims they were missing anything after muting Buttplug's comments.
That's good, Ken. Fundraise for the GOP. You are a good little lawn ornament.
You get 50 cents for that?
Ken, I confess to finding, a certain level of comedic diversion in Buttplug's comments.
Sort of like watching how a freshman SocPsych major knows everything about the world after the first two weeks of lectures.
Or the fifth-grader who knows everything about energy policy because her teacher just taught a class about global warming.
So cute, ya just wanna pinch their little cheeks.
Over the last couple of weeks, Shrike has been telling us that 1) inflation is all in our heads and 2) that Build Back Better is popular in West Virginia (actual polls be damned) despite all the Green New Deal provisions--and despite the state's economy being devastated by the loss of coal jobs.
When it looked like the Build Back Better bill would pass, it seemed like the Shrike clowns might be taking over the country, and now that that that's over, maybe I can go back to laughing at them again. I probably can't forget what they almost did until the progressive clowns no longer control both the House and the White House. When control of the government is split between the parties again, it won't matter like it does now. Maybe they'll seem funny again.
Clowns are funny at first, but as their stupidity increases in intensity, their antics become nauseating. Making fools of themselves by slipping on a banana peel is funny. Actually fighting for policies that could devastate the economy and make us permanently more socialist using nothing but the force of their own stupidity isn't funny at all. They almost succeeded in creating myriad new entitlement programs with their clowning. I'm looking forward to being able to look back on this and laugh.
John Wayne Gacy dressed as a clown.
Ken, you are right. We dodged a bullshit bullet that would have tightened the chains on us for all time and devastate the free market (such as it is).
Freedom requires eternal vigilance because there are always those who want to impose their wills on us.
How could I take the conservative side, I'm not a conservative?
I do however think I have a better understanding of what Hayek and von Mises were talking about than you but have no desire to discuss anything with you because you are clearly too immature as evidenced by the uncivil and abusive tone that you take on this site.
For some odd reason a lot of the liberaltarians here despise von mises here. Not me. But try linking to mises.org and watch the vitriol. Same with anything from Rothbard.
They are leftists who pretend to believe in civil liberties.
That’s it.
I'm not sure what others think, but it may be because of the number of neo-Confederates that occupy Lew Rockwell's mises.org.
Probably a lot of neo confederates like ice cream too.
Which is why we don't wat ice cream.
Articles or commenter? Because a silly distinction if you're trying to make the latter diminish the articles.
You know what, going to ask for a serious cite. Because the comments are generally a ghost town.
So what are you explicitly saying? An example if you will.
Was it this past weekend that someone got very drunk and referred to Dr von Mises as the Austrian with the Hitler mustache?
How could I take the conservative side, I'm not a conservative?
So there is nothing for us to debate?
I want to legalize all drugs, prostitution, guns, and euthanasia. That usually sets someone off.
By guns I include plastic guns - Republicans and Democrats like those gun bans. I don't see why the material matters.
Nothing there?
I tried.
Weird how you avoided CRT, economics, transgender rights, censorship, etc. All the shit OSF pushes.
You fucking don't know anything about my positions, you moron.
I have called CRT "bullshit" and oppose teaching it. I am an Ayn Rand capitalist who also hates Reagan like she did, I don't give a fuck about trannies, I oppose all censorship including conservatives who ban books.
Are you just a total fucking idiot? You are.
You just defended it above retard.
https://reason.com/podcast/2021/12/20/a-reality-check-on-coronavirus-congress-and-elon-musks-taxes/?comments=true#comment-9267408
And you are closer to a radian villain than an objectivist. Lol.
By the way. Nice use of air quotes around bullshit. Lol.
Not air quotes, you imbecile. Those are actual quotes of myself saying it in the past.
You could cite yourself saying it instead of claiming you've said it. Because you just defended it above.
I mean, let's just dip the toe in the water. Is a near 4 year sentence for a non violent crime justified ever?
More... is Rittenhouse innocent? Can a cop murder someone for trespassing? Should judges require defendants to stay away from news sources? Should non violent offenders be denied bail for nearly a year?
Accept the fact that the left
can’t even identify the truth.
You must be one of those Tuskegee bros.
You admit that the government abuses
science for political gain?
There might be hope for you yet!
Probably not though.
Peddling kiddie porn is technically non-violent. And that should have a much more extreme sentence than 4 years.
What about gadding about on public property?
While armed with an invisible fire extinguisher?
They probably had X men powers too.
They may have had a Lego model of the Capitol.
I disagree. Peddling child porn requires others to hurt children. It would beike saying peddling slaves is fine since the violence is on the capture and slavery post transportation.
Encouragement of violent acts is in fact violent. Commercialization the same.
"Encouragement of violent acts is in fact violent."
Ah, so how long should Trump spend behind bars?
He said to protest peacefully retard.
And his followers said "Hang Mike Pence."
So you quickly retreated from your original assertion?
Something about goal posts.
You're right, Jesse, Trump did not say the words, "Go find Mike Pence and hang him."
He merely implied it, and then he refused to call off the violence all day long despite his entire entourage, including FOX News pundits, begging him to try.
“Take those feet off the desk!” - D. Trump
Tony lies, gets caught in said lie, and it doesn’t even phase him.
Tony. Cite where he implied it.
Do I have to remind you of the summer of love tony?
Vaccine mandates and lockdowns.
I oppose all government mandates. I support corporate/private mandates.
So you’re saying lockdowns and vaccine mandates are conservative policies?
You dont get it. Just be cause buden signed an EO, it is really corporations doing it! Despite not one doing so prior to the EO.
And… crickets.
He wants corporations to enforce government mandates.
Like a good little fascist.
You mean corporate mandates pushed by government. Such as with OSHA. As well as the censorship of covid information pushed by the WH to say the vaxxed can't spread covid.
He means just like how you have always supported the idea that private companies can make their own rules for inside their own buildings.
Stuff libertarians used to believe when it applied to blacks being kicked out of sandwich shops, you know?
Your problem is you were never smart enough to know what you actually believe, so you have Tucker Carlson tell you.
If you ignore reality like no corporate mandates prior to the WH pushing EOs....
I don't follow. Pushed? Do you mean forced? Explain how private mandates were forced.
I think you don't know what you believe and need to go jack yourself into FOX News to get an update.
Holy fuck. Youre denying the OSHA rule and the contractor EO? You've stopped trying Tony.
OSHA has been around since Nixon. Just find out about it?
Tony. It isnt any fun when you are this lazy.
You assertion was corporations made these mandates freely. Now you're saying osha always existed. So did they push a rule or not?
But that's not what you were talking about, I thought.
I also don't give a shit, because I support having OSHA. I support people not being open pustules of disease in my workplace too.
It is what you were talking about Tony. You implied corporations could freely push mandates. Then you ran away when informed the choice wasn't made freely.
You've gotten really lazy lately.
Tony is right.
You call it "liberty" when you get to deprive another of a common commercial right.
Yet you cry like a bitch when another does the same to you.
No he isnt. See how he refused to answer dummy.
Government influencing or pushing a corporation to don't a behavior or rules is literally fascism, not free markets.
But again, as stated above, you're closer to a randian villain and support such acts.
Lol.
Tony ignoring my comment means nothing, fuckface.
You being a fascist means everything.
Came here to say the same. Mom is Canadian and dad is South African. By according to the evangelicals that didn’t stop Obama, so maybe he qualifies.
Presumably Elon Musk runs for president after the US Constitution, which says he can't, is overthrown. Does that mean the Tech Brah community will outflank both Republicans and Democrats in their universally shared desire to do just that? Or will he become a Trump lieutenant and wait for the fat fuck to finally succumb to his many buckets of chicken?
Is he Person of the Year because he tweeted about Dogecoin? Because he is rude to senators? I don't get the hype. At least during the last gilded age it was expected that the undeserved uber-rich were supposed to, like, build legacy charities or build architecturally interesting mansions. Noblesse without oblige means we are contractually entitled to take their heads off.
For Democrats an attack on Musk like Lizzie Warren has done is especially stupid.
Democrats do well in the STEM community where Musk is a heron and Warren is reviled.
I really hate Senator Warren. She is reviled among us STEM folk.
Break up Google? Fuck her. Trash the TPP? Fuck her. She needs to retire.
Knowing how to code doesn't make one an expert at tax policy. The Zuckerberg-Musk generation is seeing the fruits of their libertarian worldview play out in the form of massive autocratic crackdowns on individual liberty all over the world, courtesy of Facebook. They've spread more unliberty than most humans alive, despite their best intentions. Maybe they should leave the senatoring to others.
Who made Warren an expert on tax policy? She is a lawyer of some type.
She is actually pretty fucking stupid on the subject if she thinks a wealth tax will work.
She costs Democrats more votes than she gains them.
Plus she is a dour sourpuss. She lost to old Sleepy Joe and a fucking socialist by miles. She needs to go away.
Obama compared her to Sarah Palin. That is sad for her.
Meh, I like her, but I understand why others don't. A wealth tax sounds complicated, but I'm a big picture guy. The goal is to take the wealth from the billionaires, because they have too much of it. These things get out of balance because capital is power. The only thing the rest of us have to counter it is numbers.
Such a pity that so many perfectly lower-middle-class dupes won't bother to look after their own interests because of some fairy tale they read in a book when they were teens.
She is awful but her time is passed so no use belaboring it.
Democrats need a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama in 2024 - and progressives hated both of them.
So it looks bleak for Democrats in the next two years.
It's a terribly difficult thing to do the math on because, for the past generation, Democrats could run a dirty mop for president and still get a majority of the votes in the country.
Because they cheat.
Fuck yourself.
Don't you have a relative to murder? Or a car-jacking?
I like how you fascist retards show up when most decent people are asleep.
Fuck your nazi ass.
Kill your self.
Not in 2016 when it counted.
Is that when the Russians stole the election?
A wealth tax will destroy wealth, none of it will get to the poor.
So fine, if you want to punish the wealthy, impose a wealth tax, but don't pretend it's going to help the poor. At best it will simply make other already rich people richer, pretty much how Democrap policies work now.
The rich will survive just fine, the only people who will be hurt will be the poor, but you don't care because you think they're so stupid they already vote Republican or that they're so stupid they'll keep voting democrap and won't change their minds. I wouldn't count on that last part if I were you.
The logical conclusion of forced equality is the lowest common denominator. Why try when everything you do will be taken from you?
Stop making excuses for your failures.
Tony: Elton Musk, I don’t get the hype.
Tony: Liz Warren? I like her.
Who’d you rather have a beer with?
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The goal is to take the wealth from the billionaires, because they have too much of it. These things get out of balance because capital is power.
Elon said something awesome about that. Something like why should capital allocation be taken away from those with a proven track record of creating wealth and given to those with a proven track record of destroying it.
Matt.25:14-29
LOL, I still can't believe Tony is this stupid. Just a steaming pile of clichés rooted in envy and a desire to take other people's stuff and tell them what to do.
And tbats why you hate her. She hurts democrats. Not that she's an overbearing authoritarian. Lol.
Knowing how to code doesn't make one an expert at tax policy. The Zuckerberg-Musk generation is seeing the fruits of their libertarian worldview play out in the form of massive autocratic crackdowns on individual liberty all over the world, courtesy of Facebook. They've spread more unliberty than most humans alive, despite their best intentions. Maybe they should leave the senatoring to others.
So, let me see if I have this right, because I want to make sure I understand your point correctly before I argue with it. Your contention is that the current state of affairs in the world, where virtually every society on the planet has gone through nearly several years of brutal lockdowns, crackdowns, violent government repression, invasions, coups, spying, assassinations... all of this "unliberty" is the fault of Facebook and, somehow by extension, libertarians. You earnestly and truly believe that is libertarians or libertarian-minded people who own, operate, and control Facebook and that Facebook is pulling the strings of the world to brutalize people.
Any other strange conjectures you'd like to make? The jews were behind the holocaust? Lizard from Mars faked the moon landing?
Otherwise, however, would the tarantulas have it. "Let it be very justice for the world to become full of the storms of our vengeance"—thus do they talk to one another.
"Vengeance will we use, and insult, against all who are not like us"—thus do the tarantula-hearts pledge themselves.
"And 'Will to Equality'—that itself shall henceforth be the name of virtue; and against all that hath power will we raise an outcry!"
Ye preachers of equality, the tyrant-frenzy of impotence crieth thus in you for "equality": your most secret tyrant-longings disguise themselves thus in virtue-words!
It would seem that, in the modern vernacular, a “reality check” and a “fact check” are not only different but unrelated things. It further occurs to me that one of those is indispensable to accruing wisdom and becoming an all-around better human being, while the other one is becoming increasingly unworthy of its own name. Only, gosh, which is which? Thoughts?
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