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Video Shows NY Cops Ripping Baby From Screaming Mom's Arms

According to a witness, Jazmine Headley got in trouble for sitting on the floor of a government office because there were no seats available.

The New York Police Department (NYPD) says it's investigating a Friday incident in which several officers yanked a 1-year-old from his struggling mother's arms.

A cellphone video posted to Facebook shows officers surrounding 23-year-old Jazmine Headley, who's on the floor of a Human Resources Administration (HRA) office in Brooklyn while holding onto her son, Damone. The video picks up in the middle of the altercation, by which point a small crowd is looking on in astonishment:

"They're hurting my son," Headley screams repeatedly from the floor as several officers attempt to seize the baby from her arms. It's difficult to understand more of her exact words over the noise of the crowd, but the Gothamist reports that Headley also says: "I'm begging you. Please."

The officers continue struggling with Headley, to the horror of those looking on. "She didn't do anything," one witness says. "It's a fucking baby," adds another. At one point, an officer pulls out his Taser and waves it at the crowd.

Eventually, though the video does not make it clear when, the cops successfully wrest Headley's baby from her grasp. Headley was taken into custody and "charged with resisting arrest, acting in a manner injurious to a child, obstructing governmental administration and criminal trespass," WPIX reports. Damone is being cared for by Headley's mother while Headley herself is held on Riker's Island. A spokesperson for the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office tells WABC she's being held behind bars due to an unrelated outstanding warrant in New Jersey.

So what triggered this incident, and why did police feel the need to literally rip a baby from his mother's arms? According to the official NYPD statement, Headley was acting in a "disorderly" manner, prompting HRA officers to unsuccessfully ask her to leave. Police were eventually called, and situation soon escalated. "As NYPD officers were attempting to convince the woman to depart the facility, HRA peace officers brought the woman to the floor," NYPD Sgt. Jessica McRorie tells Politico. "NYPD officers then attempted to place her under arrest. She refused to comply with officers' orders, and was then taken into custody." McRorie did describe the video of the incident as "troubling," and said "the event is under review by the NYPD and HRA Police."

That's not the whole story, says Nyashia Ferguson, who took the video. Ferguson explains that Headley spent hours waiting in line at the HRA. But since there were no chairs available, she and her baby waited on the floor. A security guard came over to tell Headley she couldn't sit on the floor, but Headley didn't see any other options. "She said, 'Well, I'm not going to stand with my son,'" Ferguson tells WCBS. "She was like, 'What is the crime? What did I do wrong?' And then it just escalated."

Ferguson adds to The New York Times that instead of de-escalating the situation, police "made it way worse."

Going by the initial police statement and by Ferguson's recollection, it doesn't sound like Headley posed a threat to Damone or anyone else. "It was unnecessary to use that much force on my daughter," Headley's mother tells WPIX. Alex S. Vitale, the coordinator of Brooklyn College's Policing and Social Justice Project, agrees: "It's just hard to imagine what possibly could have transpired before the video starts that would have warranted that level of force in those circumstances," he tells the Times.

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  • loveconstitution1789||

    Wake me when babies are ripping cops from a screaming mom's arms.

  • spork||

    Wake me when my baby momma is ripping the arms off of screaming cops. She is like the hulk one week per month.

  • Juice||

    Wookies are known to do that.

  • Quixote||

    These impertinent comments themselves merit arrest, incarceration at Rikers Island, and perhaps even prosecution under whatever legal pretext we can find, as long as we don't open ourselves up to too much criticism. And so does this article. Is the author attempting to instigate ant-police sentiment? He should know very well that whether you are a mother, a Troll, a sexter or anyone else, the American legal authorities will do what needs to be done to enforce the law, both within and across state boundaries, whichever side of the wall we find you on. See the documentation of our great nation's leading criminal "satire" case at:

    https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  • Eddy||

    "an unrelated outstanding warrant in New Jersey."

    What was the warrant for, by the way? Petting kittens without a license? /sarc

  • ||

    What was the warrant for, by the way? Petting kittens without a license? /sarc

    Yeah, I thought the same thing and a quick search turned up nothing.

  • Eddy||

    I found this on CNN:

    "The Mercer County Sheriff's office confirmed to CNN that Headley has an outstanding arrest warrant from NJ Superior Court from July 2017 for failure to appear in relation to credit card fraud."

    (autoplay ad)

    https://cnn.it/2G9OJf1

  • losmazeman||

    Police were called, and situation soon escalated.

    You don't say.

  • Vernon Depner||

    "I can think of no state of human misery that could not be made instantly worse by the arrival on the scene of a policeman." - Brendan Behan.

  • JoeBlow123||

    The cops were dicks but this woman was also a fool. She also could have chosen a path to deescalate the situation and chose not to. No one wants to blink and the side with guns and tazers and authority threw down the hammer. Shocker.

    Sometimes you reap what you sow. Both the cops and this woman who thought it was a good idea to fuck with cops WHILE SHE HAD AN ARREST WARRANT ON HER FOR FUCKS SAKE both will reap the consequences of their actions.

  • IceTrey||

    It's called contempt of cop. If you don't hop to when they give an order they get butthurt and this is what happens.

  • ||

    Is HRA a private firm? They're allowed to eject people for loitering, no?

  • Cathy L||

    A private firm? It's the fucking state welfare office.

  • IceTrey||

    I don't think so and loitering is remaining in an area for no reason. She had a reason to be there.

  • 0x1000||

    Why can't people understand that they simply need to do what they're told. We were taught in school to respect government and keep our heads down. Kids who got uppity got bullied back into place, and rightly so. Didn't this lady learn anything?

    Do what you're told and nothing bad will happen.

  • Heraclitus||

    That was my initial reaction too. However, upon further reading I now understand her frustration. She had to wait for hours without a chair and she had to hold a baby and then she is told she cannot sit on the floor. At that point I too would be seething with anger and resentment. And then to have the cops called on you for sitting on the floor? It's easy to say she should have just done as she was told, but the SNAP people and the cops also reacted poorly.

  • IceTrey||

    Tell that to Philando Castille.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Do what you're told and nothing bad will happen.

    Daniel Holtzclaw asserted that very thing.

  • Vernon Depner||

    Tell that to John Crawford.

  • chiguy31||

    "...do what they're told."

    Note to Ox1000; this is not the Soviet Union.

    Your comment suggests that you might have been an interesting candidate for the Stanford Prison Experiment.

  • Headache||

    Probably would not happen in the Soviet Union because no SNAP. You stand in line with everyone else.

  • clarkcountycriminalcops||

    "Why can't people understand that they simply need to do what they're told."
    Thank, god, the city of Boston wasn't filled with authoritarian followers like you back in 1773.
    If it had been, we would all be be drinking tea every afternoon and rooting for Manchester United rather than the New England Patriots.

  • afk05||

    Do what you are told? Wow, you are an authoritarian jerk. What are you doing on a libertarian site? I haven't had so much as a detention in my life, my family looks like a goddamned Normal Rockwell painting, but "do what you are told"? Never. Ask me and treat me with respect, and I will do the same, but no one should just "do what they are told" because someone said so.

    Obedience is how they own your ass. Do you think leaders and rulers just do as they are told? Nope, peons do.

  • BillEverman||

    "Kids who got uppity got bullied back into place, and rightly so..."

    My sarcasm detector is pegged, and yours should be too.

  • vek||

    First, are all you people so dumb you don't see that this guy is trolling?

    Second, here's the thing... There's a difference between "doing what you're told" when the man is telling you to give them a rim job, versus asking something reasonable.

    People that get all flippant and out of control when asked to do reasonable things, that would be expected in a similar situation... They're just shit heads. I highly doubt anybody asked this lady to tongue their butt hole. They probably asked something reasonable, and she got all out of control right off the bat. A normal person wouldn't have been acting the way she was in the video, and I'd bet that the stuff that led up to that showed her acting even worse.

    With her criminal record, the way she put her kid in danger, etc I'd bet my life this chick started acting unreasonably... Then was asked to leave, then got what she brought on herself. I simply don't have sympathy for shit heads. Responding reasonably to reasonable requests IS NOT the same as being asked to lick somebodies boots.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    From an article the post linked to:

    However, authorities say she has an outstanding warrant in Mercer County, New Jersey, and that they will attempt to expedite her release to authorities there or ask them to rescind their warrant.

    There is a New Jersey tradition of using hair spray to vandalize a county courthouse with a polite suggestion for improving the justice system's service to the public.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    From an article the post linked to:

    However, authorities say she has an outstanding warrant in Mercer County, New Jersey, and that they will attempt to expedite her release to authorities there or ask them to rescind their warrant.

    There is a New Jersey tradition of using hair spray to vandalize a county courthouse with a polite suggestion for improving the justice system's service to the public.

  • NoVaNick||

    Why do NYPD cops fail to understand that they protect, serve, and answer to safe space-demanding, non-violent, non-binary, anti-gun, progressive democrats, and must therefore conduct themselves as cute cuddly teddy bears?

  • Eddy||

    Of course, someone has to enforce the gun bans, high cigarette taxes, and so on, but progs never *intend* that this lead to any violent confrontations.

  • ||

    NYPD: "We're not social workers. And we prove it every day."

  • afk05||

    They don't protect and serve the people. They protect and serve the government.

  • Eddy||

    "A woman wanted in New Jersey on a charge of credit card fraud was arrested on new charges...dramatic video footage of the arrest..."

    No, doesn't have the right spin.

  • ||

    I'm not familiar with the whole HRA rigamarole either. It's an unemployment office, right? Why would you bring your kid with you?

    I wonder if anyone standing around pointing the camera offered to let the woman holding a baby use their chair rather than sit on the floor.

  • RoyMo||

    Lack of affordable child care options? Honestly though, what else was she supposed to do with the baby?

  • ||

    Apparently somebody was able to step up and watch the kid at a moment's notice.

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    But the cops didn't have occupational licensing to run a day care, so she heroically resisted. The occupational licensing cops are going to be all over this, right? It's a conspiracy too, several cops involved. It's cops all the way down.

  • Zeb||

    It might be a little easier to convince someone to step in when you are in jail than when you just have to go stand in line for a bit.

  • CLM1227||

    Pretty much.

    Dr's appointment? No one to watch the kids. Emergency surgery? Two moms, 3 friends all in line.

  • ||

    I don't mean to be too callous, I don't see the justification of the separation, but wanted for a credit fraud with a baby in the unemployment line. I don't see a free and clear libertarian or free market win here.

    The good outcome is the taxpayers of New York get her a job... maybe. At which point, she's going to have to find a place for the kid to go while she stands around and does her job. And this just assumes that her credit fraud wasn't too bad and should be forgiven.

  • Cathy L||

    She did have a job. She was in the welfare office to pick up childcare vouchers so she could go to work.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Seems to me that assaulting and arresting a mother holding an infant child for the crime of resting her legs might be a violation of the NAP. But i I guess it's cool because she missed a fucking court date.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    " It's an unemployment office, right? Why would you bring your kid with you?"

    Because you can't afford a babysitter/daycare?

  • Vernon Depner||

    Why couldn't her husband watch the baby?

    Yeah, just kidding!

  • ||

    Ouch! Oh, no you dint!

  • clarkcountycriminalcops||

    I'm guessing it's the same reason my father wasn't able to watch me all day long.
    He was at work.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    I laughed

  • Zeb||

    If you are a young, single mother, why wouldn't you bring your kid with you?

  • LiborCon||

    Does the right to self-defense apply against agents of the state?

  • Vernon Depner||

    It does, but you'll be vindicated posthumously.

  • RoyMo||

    I don't think you can really get vindicated after being killed, this isn't Italy or the Soviet Union after all.

  • Rich||

    "It's just hard to imagine what possibly could have transpired before the video starts that would have warranted that level of force in those circumstances," he tells the Times.

    How about imagining that possibly someone in authority realized Headley has an outstanding arrest warrant?

    Anyway, *surely* an FBI investigation will turn up the truth.

  • Cathy L||

    How about imagining that possibly someone in authority realized Headley has an outstanding arrest warrant?

    You can always rely on libertarians to come up with excuses for violent state oppression that even the state agents hadn't thought of.

  • Eddy||

    I wonder how quickly it takes nowadays to check for outstanding warrants? I'd guess not long.

    It's easy to put the media into outrage mode on a "save the details for later, we're busy being indignant" basis. Yet in the course of writing their outrage-stories, even the media found out about the New Jersey warrant, they just didn't want to break their stride long enough to maybe rework their stories in light of this information.

  • RoyMo||

    Well does this welfare office regularly check out of state warrants? If it does, Texas should take note since apparently you can do that in New York City..

  • Vernon Depner||

    That begs the question of whether an outstanding warrant for a non-violent crime justifies manhandling an infant.

  • Eddy||

    I presume there's problems when even the cops are "disturbed" by the contents of the video.

    It's the NYPD, they're not into proportionality.

    That said, I'd like a little less lede-burying in these sorts of stories.

  • Cathy L||

    What is the "lede" here exactly in your mind? That she had an outstanding warrant even though that had nothing to do with her arrest? Or that you're a statist bootlicker?

  • Eddy||

    OK, you convinced me there's nothing wrong with the spin on the story at all. You sure have some great powers of persuasion.

  • Dizzle||

    I'd be willing to bet she had to move due to some nanny state law requiring clear access to exits incase of fire. That's typically why people are told, often repeatedly, to please stand up at airports, bus stops, hotel entrances, various stairwells, etc...

  • ||

    That begs the question of whether an outstanding warrant for a non-violent crime justifies manhandling an infant.

    This kinda assumes that there is an outcome where the infant doesn't get manhandled, flashbanged, or shot.

  • Vernon Depner||

    Can't we at least aspire to that?

  • ||

    Sure, but aspire in one hand and shit in the other and see which one gets full first.

    I don't condone what happened, I would've offered her my chair or scolded one of my kids into doing so. Even though that completely obviates this incident, I don't see how that stops the cops from kicking in her door for the warrant or forcibly evicting the next poor schlub from the welfare office.

    Certainly the cops were excessive, but what's the alternative? Let wanted criminals occupy public spaces? Dissolve HRA offices? Just seems like a massive libertarian disconnect for what amounts to 'for the chillunz' play on people's feelz. Not that Joel Seyton is going to even broach a topic like that.

  • Vernon Depner||

    but what's the alternative?

    Let her sit on the floor? Provide more chairs? Change the way cops are trained so that they understand that it's not worth it to endanger a baby to make an arrest on a warrant for a non-violent crime? None of those seem like pies in the sky to me.

  • Mithrandir||

    Yeah honestly not sure what angle mad.casual is on this one if it's not a cop bootlicking perspective.

  • MJBinAL||

    This entire project of making excuses for the NYC police has gotten over the top.

    They came to make her get out for sitting on the floor, This is clearly stated. AFTER THE FACT, it is "oh, by the way" that she has an outstanding warrent in the People's Republic of New Jersey.

    The warrant had nothing to do the the police being there, or the original call for them.

    She was in a public building, peacefully waiting her turn to speak with the anointed ones with the welfare office. Apparently, there were not enough seats, and little ones like to play, so she had excellent reason to be on the floor while PEACEFULLY WAITING.

    Stop making excuses for unacceptable behavior by the police.

    Let me say that again for the retards who didn't get it

    STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR BY THE POLICE!

  • Dizzle||

    I'd almost guarantee she was in violation of NYC firecode. That's probably the reason she was told to get off the floor.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Thank You.

  • vek||

    Man handling and infant is because of HER. When SHE turned it into getting her ass arrested, they probably asked her to hand the baby over safe and sound. When SHE didn't do the right thing and act in a way that kept her baby safe, WTF are they supposed to do? Not arrest some lunatic because she won't hand over her crack baby?

    Give me a break. Shit heads like her get what they have coming. I got arrested a couple times in high school for underage drinking... The times I behaved well, the cops were professional and treated me alright. The time I was a shit head... I got treated like a shit head. I learned my lesson: Don't be a shit head, unless you want to be treated like a shit head. It's really that simple.

  • Zeb||

    According to the article, she wasn't arrested for the outstanding warrant. I don't see any reason to think it had anything to do with the arrest.

    "charged with resisting arrest, acting in a manner injurious to a child, obstructing governmental administration and criminal trespass,"

    So it seems pretty irrelevant to this incident. If the cops had come, identified the woman and checked for warrants, I would think that the outstanding warrant would be on the list of things she was arrested for.

    It comes off as excuse making for the cops. Even if they were arresting her for the fraud warrant, there's still no reason to be shitty about it, particularly when there is a baby involved.

  • vek||

    She was arrested for acting like a shit head. If she had NOT acted like a shit head, she probably wouldn't have been arrested.

    A funny thing: I've gone to government buildings countless times in my life. I have never been arrested for acting like a shit head in a government building. Funny how that works.

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    Yeah I am sure the state employees at the welfare office routinely check people for outstanding warrants before they offer a chair to a mother. Cause you know state employees are known for going above and beyond their duties. Just the other day I had an employee at the DMV offered me a foot rub after hours of standing in line only to be told I was in the wrong line.

  • Ron||

    more likely they didn't know she was wanted until after she was arrested but that info will be used to justify police criminal activity. BTW i thought it was only ICE that separated kids from their parents not the state as a whole

  • Zeb||

    No, I'm pretty sure babies don't generally go to jail with their mothers.

  • Rossami||

    What is your evidence that the NYPD even knew her identity, much less the existence of the outstanding warrant, before initiating the violence?

    Post hoc justifications do not diminish the outrage over the initial reaction.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    At one point, an officer pulls out his Taser and waves it at the crowd.

    Pretty sure that was a woman.

    In defense of the police, it sounds like this mother passively defied their authority.

  • MJBinAL||

    So the correct response is to threaten the entire room with your Tazer? Really?

    Fuck Defending the police. The Welfare people were WRONG to call the police on someone peacefully waiting and the police were WRONG for not just telling the Welfare people to get over it.

  • Vernon Depner||

    First question: why the fuck are there "HRA Police"?

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    When you cram a bunch of poor desperate people into a little room with unmotivated bureaucrats; security is a must.

  • Vernon Depner||

    That seems to have backfired in this case. It was the police who started the riot.

  • Brandybuck||

    It was the baby's fault for choosing to be born black. Just saying.

  • vek||

    It was actually the mothers fault for feeling like she needed to be a walking stereotype of a crazy black lady, actually. Had she acted like a civilized human being, none of this would have ever happened.

    STANDARDS OF BEHAVIOR: Civilized societies have them for reasons.

  • Vernon Depner||

    Civilized standards of behavior, like allowing a mother with a baby in her arms to sit down while she waits for hours instead of making her stand?

  • vek||

    I would BET MY LIFE that is not all there is to the story. It never is with these things. Of course once the true facts come out, the media almost never covers it... Because it makes the oppressed look like the shit head they really are, instead of the sympathetic character they like to pretend they are.

    Even if it happened the way they claim, this lady is a shit mother for not handing the baby over when they told her she was being arrested. She thought it was a good idea to get into a physical altercation with her baby in her arms! What kind of a fucking moron, horrible person, would put their child in risk like that?

    No sane person would do that, even if they were in the right leading up to that point. That just shows she has a screw lose.

  • Juice||

    HRA peace officers

    Totally un-self-aware to use that term in a situation like this. That's ok. The less aware they are of how the look, the stronger the backlash when it does inevitably come.

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    Mama don't let your kids grow up.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Oh they REALLY hate it when you sit on the floor.

    They go nuts.

    When I was little, and my mom was at some office or another that she dragged us to, me and my little brother were playing with hot wheels while sitting on the floor and this cop/security guard nearly had an aneurysm. We had to get off the floor RIGHT NOW or we'd be expelled (well, my mom would, we'd just be with her).

    And this kinda thing happened in all kinds of offices--well, public offices--DMV, schools, courts or social services. They'd go monkey if you were sitting on the floor. You could be jumping from chair to chair doing a 'floor is lava' thing and they'd give you the eye, but they wouldn't stop you. But plop your ass on that floor and you'd get 300 pounds of screaming red-faced cop in your face.

    An uncle, who worked for the FDNY, said that it was because there was some kinda fine if they got caught allowing the 'thorougfare' to be blocked. One thy couldn't wiggle out of.

  • Dizzle||

    Ding ding! Said this above. She was violating fire code

  • Vernon Depner||

    That's certainly a valid reason to assault a baby.

  • vek||

    Had she responded like a civilized human being, neither her or her baby would have had any problems.

  • Azathoth!!||

    She wasn't, really.

    It's a 'fuck you' ordinance that's based more in FDNY/NYPD rivalry than anything else.

  • Uncle Jay||

    The beloved NYPD was doing its job taking the baby away from the mother.
    The police will now take the child to a State orphanage where it will learn the wonders and miracles our socialist slave state has done for all of us.
    Instead of being hugged, coddled, and loved, the State orphanage will ensure the child be raised with the proper amount of political indoctrination and violence to further The State's mission to develop the new Soviet Man and a perfect socialist society.
    The woman shouldn't not have re-acted in a hysterical manner as the police ripped her infant from her.
    Instead the woman should've gladly given her baby to the police with a smile on her face and with love in her heart.
    After all, who knows more about love, The State or a mother?

  • Vernon Depner||

    The police will now take the child to a State orphanage

    Unfortunately, that's not what happens anymore. Instead, the children are given to the nightmarish foster care system. Children seized by the state were far better off in the days when they were put in orphanages.

  • Uncle Jay||

    You're right.
    A orphan is always better off in a state sponsored gladiator factory where he can learn terror, abuse, neglect and apathy.
    That's always a better option than giving a child to a loving family.

  • Lowdog||

    Foster families are not always "loving" - unless that word means something different to you. (I'm mean, there could be some inappropriate loving going on, I'm sure.)

  • Zeb||

    No, but they often are. I don't know that you could say the same for state orphanages.

    I think the foster system is probably preferable to state orphanages or group homes overall. The problem is the number of kids placed in the system often for bad reasons.

  • Vernon Depner||

    I live in a state that was one of the last to close its orphanages, and I'm old enough that I've known people who grew up in them. The Dickensian stereotypes that come to people's minds when they hear the word "orphanage" were absolutely not true about 20th century US orphanages. The idea that all or even most foster parents are providing "loving families" for their charges is a fantasy. Often they are people who struggle to make a living and take in kids for the money. A few have much darker motivations. Frequently kids in foster care spend their childhoods bouncing from home to home as foster parents get weary of their behavioral problems. I emphatically disagree that kids today in foster care are better off than those who were in state orphanages a few decades ago.

  • vek||

    Some useless piece of shit woman like this probably wasn't taking decent care of her kid anyway. Not that the state should be jacking babies all the time, but it doesn't sound like it's being taken out of a perfect suburban home... It's being taken from a criminal welfare loser. Even that's not happening actually, since it was given to her mother. But nice story bro.

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    instead of de-escalating the situation, police "made it way worse."

    Am I wearing my shocked face? I can't tell anymore.

  • Mrs. Premise||

    "It's 'Headley'".

  • ||

    I think we can all agree that the one white guy that comes into the video at ~2:00 is the real bad guy here.

  • perlchpr||

    OK, so, Fuck the NYPD, of course.

    But were there literally no chairs at this facility, or were the rest of the patrons just a bunch of fucking poltroons who wouldn't give up their seat to a mother with babe in arms?

    Is chivalry truly and utterly dead?

  • ||

    But were there literally no chairs at this facility, or were the rest of the patrons just a bunch of fucking poltroons who wouldn't give up their seat to a mother with babe in arms?

    I honestly think if the peace officer had ordered a dude to stand up so the mother could sit and the dude became belligerent and had to be escorted out by police, no one would've batted an eye at this story.

  • EscherEnigma||

    Based on other offices I've been in, there tend to be one of two systems.

    In the first, you get a number/letter/whatever, find a place to wait, and when your number is called you go talk to someone at booth whatever. In this case yeah, she could have had a seat if someone had offered her one. It's possible that she didn't ask, and then when the cops show up it's too late (when a cop is waving a taser at the crowd, who's gonna stand forward and say "she can have my chair, I'll stand")

    In the second, there's an actual fucking line, that yes, you have to stand in. Try and pull a chair into it and you'll get yelled at. So if she'd taken a chair from anyone, then she would have lost her place in line.

    Some places use both! One DMV had an hour line that you had to stand in to get triaged into which kind of person you needed to talk to, whereupon you'd get a number to wait for (but you could have a seat).

    So it's possible that someone else could have given up a chair for her, but it's also possible that doing so would have been detrimental to her objectives of being there that day.

    Regardless though, the police and "peace officer" reactions, and failure to non-violently de-escalate the situation, are the problem.

  • Ron||

    Remember when the Japanese would shoot and stab anyone who was too tired march to Bataan.

  • abeFroman||

    I'd like to see the surveillance video running up to the police arriving. She's playing the crowd and there has to be more to the story.

  • Benitacanova||

    More as in cha ching?

  • vek||

    Oh yeah. This is a bullshit story, where there's a 99% chance she brought the whole thing on herself. As is the case with almost every single one of these bullshit outrage stories.

  • FoolishCop||

    So we should just let criminals dictate the terms of their arrest? Sorry, it doesn't work that way as it can make it more dangerous for the people standing there, the police, and the scumbag getting arrested. If the mother was truly concerned about the welfare of her child, she wouldn't have been using it as a human shield.

    The warrant was secondary to the crime she committed beforehand of creating a disturbance at the office. She then refused to leave the premises and it escalated from there. The cops are blameless.

  • Vernon Depner||

    The police created the disturbance. The police escalated it from there.

    So we should just let criminals dictate the terms of their arrest?

    We should expect cops to have the intelligence and judgement to know when creating a chaotic, dangerous scene is not justified by the alleged offense. Police officers need to be taught that they don't ALWAYS have to "win". Sometimes it's just not worth the risk and they need to back off.

  • EscherEnigma||

    I'm calling a Poe.

    On one hand, this is pretty stock and trade for police apologists. On the other hand, the screen name is "FoolishCop".

    So I'm gonna call it a very good Poe.

  • Echospinner||

    The floor is perfectly sensible. How long is a bored one year old going to sit in a chair or be held?

  • ||

    Ok. Let's concede she was violating a fire code. And let's further concede she wasn't obeying her masters. Let's, to boot, throw in the outstanding warrant which sounds like it had nothing to do with anything.

    It still doesn't condone the actions of police.

    For fuck sakes who are the professionals supposed to be?

    Completely inappropriate what NYPD did.

    They could have injured that child. Really bad optics and really stupid of them.

  • vek||

    I'm pretty sure what happened was:

    Hey lady, you can't sit on the floor.

    Lady freaks out like a child.

    You gotta leave crazy lady.

    Freaks out worse.

    Calls the cops because they have an out of control crazy lady freaking out.

    Cops show up and do what they have to do to deal with crazy lady.

    It likely all could have been avoided by her not being a crazy pain in the ass.

  • Dread Pirate Roberts||

    When will Reason learn that if we stop tearing small children away from their mothers, we'll be just like Somalia?

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    The state offers free stuff to people

    People that find free stuff appealing show up to get the free stuff

    The state finds the people to be kind of low life and doesn't see the point in treating them well

    The people find the system unfeeling, and being low life people who feel entitled, they resent the circumstances and behave badly

    The state sees the poorly behaving ungrateful low life people and treats them accordingly

    Same story, different circumstances....

  • Benitacanova||

    I thought this only happened at the border.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "Laws don't apply to you when you can use your child as a human shield"

    Hey, you can't sit there
    Fuck you
    No, you really can't
    Fuck you
    Look, if you sit there, we're going to have to ask you to leave
    Fuck you
    You need to leave
    Fuck you
    Now you're trespassing. I'll call the cops to have you removed if I have to
    Fuck you
    Ok, I'm calling cops
    Fuck you
    Ok, I've called the cops. You can leave now or have them remove you.
    Fuck you
    ...
    We received a call that you were disorderly, refused to stop when asked, then refused to leave when asked
    Fuck you
    Listen lady, you can't sit there. And you need to leave now.
    Fuck you
    You can leave, or you can be arrested for trespass, your choice.
    Fuck you
    Ok. You're under arrest. Get up and let's go.
    Fuck you
    We'll handcuff you and carry you out if we have to.
    Fuck you
    Set your child down and put your hands behind your back.
    Fuck you
    Set your child down and put your hands behind your back.
    Fuck you
    Don't make us take your child from you
    Fuck you
    You're only making this worse on you and your child
    Fuck you
    Last chance before we physically take your child and handcuff you
    Fuck you
    Police start laying their hands on her.
    Reeeeeeeeeeeee! Reeeeeee! Police Brutality!

    Credit card scammer. Good chance she had a lawyer lined up for the lawsuit before she came.

  • vek||

    THIS. People like this always bring it on themselves.

  • Vernon Depner||

    Hey, you can't sit there.

    Why not?

    Uh...I dunno.

    Well, I've been waiting for hours, and I'm too tired to stand holding my baby, and there's no empty chair, so I really need to sit down.

    OK, we'll let it go this time. Sorry about the long wait.

  • vek||

    I bet if there's footage, she didn't react with a polite "Why not" followed by a polite "Well, I've been waiting for hours, and I'm too tired to stand holding my baby, and there's no empty chair, so I really need to sit down."

    It was probably more like "Fuck you, I ain't standin' up while I wait in line. There ain't even no fuckin' chairs for my ugly ass to sit down in while I wait to collect other peoples hard earned money!"

    And escalated from there. That's how these things ALWAYS go if you look beyond the leftist propaganda in the paper.

  • vek||

    I'd bet my left nut that this chick was acting like a shit head in the lead up. EVERY SINGLE TIME they play this outrage game, once you look into the facts, you find the person was doing something obviously stupid.

    Almost every time some thug gets shot, they were not obeying the orders, reaching into their pockets, or other stupid shit. Same when people get beat down. Rodney King had it coming people!

    Those dick fucks in Starbucks a few months back? They were being shit heads. This lady could have acted civilized, and probably wouldn't have been asked to leave in the first place. Once she was asked to leave, she could have done so. Once the cops showed up she could have left too. Once they decided to arrest her for behaving badly, she could have peacefully handed over her child, since people aren't allowed to bring their infants to jail with them!

    At every step this dumb slut brought it on herself. Why should anybody feel pity? How else is a civilized society supposed to function? You just let people act like animals because they have their little welfare baby in their arms at the time? "Oh sorry, we can't arrest you for that murder charge because you have you're holding your crack baby. We'll just come back next week." Give me a break.

    She brought it on herself. NO SYMPATHY. Thinkz > feelz.

  • Vernon Depner||

    You're an idiot.

  • vek||

    Well how do you propose we deal with shit heads who refuse to follow the rules of civilized society? Just let them act like animals all the time, because enforcing any standards would be oppressive? I guess you're fine with crack head hobos shitting on the sidewalk in San Francisco too right? Fuck off.

    Also reposting the same thing I did in response to you above:

    I would BET MY LIFE that is not all there is to the story. It never is with these things. Of course once the true facts come out, the media almost never covers it... Because it makes the oppressed look like the shit head they really are, instead of the sympathetic character they like to pretend they are.

    Even if it happened the way they claim, this lady is a shit mother for not handing the baby over when they told her she was being arrested. She thought it was a good idea to get into a physical altercation with her baby in her arms! What kind of a fucking moron, horrible person, would put their child in risk like that?

    No sane person would do that, even if they were in the right leading up to that point. That just shows she has a screw lose.

  • Vernon Depner||

    So this woman bears total responsibility for her actions, including those actions you did not see but simply fantasized, while the office staff and police are completely predictable and blameless automatons who bear no responsibility for their actions.

    You're an idiot.

    Well how do you propose we deal with shit heads who refuse to follow the rules of civilized society?

    How do you propose that we deal with the shit heads who think it's OK to use unlimited violence to enforce even the pettiest of rules? I guess you're fine with feudalism.

  • Olderthandirt-stillkickin||

    ...interesting comments in both directions. I am always curious at the ineptness sometimes demonstrated by some police officers in dealing with disruptive or out of control people. I worked in Behavioral Health, including several years on a locked psychiatric unit. I never saw the kind of bar-room brawl approach used to get a person under control, even when restraint was necessary. I dealt with people just as dangerous and they sometimes do. I understand, they never show videos of them doing a good job, just the ones with mob appeal, but nevertheless,featured officers could use extensive training, or be removed. The guy that was yanking on that baby should be sent to prison; what an ass hole!

  • Vernon Depner||

    I have heard the same thing from people I know who work in mental health, with the developmentally disabled, and in nursing homes. They have to get combative clients under control on a daily basis, and do so without injuring them, and there are techniques for doing so that work.

    Having said that, before these situations even escalate to combat, bureaucrats and police officers, unlike the professionals mentioned above, also have the option I spoke of earlier—simply back off and let someone get away with a minor act of disobedience, if enforcing a rule is going to be a much bigger deal than the offense. Police are trained to do the opposite—NEVER back down after you've given an order, and apply escalating force, even up to deadly force, to obtain obedience, even if the alleged offense is trivial. That's how Eric Garner died.

  • vek||

    I agree cops should let some small stuff slide sometimes... But here's the problem with your theory applied en masse:

    Once it is policy to do so, you will have chaos. People will ignore all the little niceties that make the world function well. Not everybody of course, because most people are decent human beings, but the shitheads of the world.

    It's the fact that cops pull people over for going 10 over the speed limit SOMETIMES that keeps people from going 20 over the speed limit ALL the time. It's that simple. So yeah, cops should pick their battles... But even in this case I guarantee there is more to it than a polite conversation about not sitting on the floor. Perhaps they politely asked her to not sit on the floor, and she merely freaked out and started yelling at them right off the bat... If that's the case, then she's the one who escalated it into HER being a problem person. The person who asked her not to do it didn't make it a mess, she did.

  • Vernon Depner||

    So, our country would be a horrible place for you without the order imposed by petty and niggling rules backed up with deadly force, so if your not being inconvenienced by having to step around a tired mom sitting on the floor waiting in line at a government office means we have to rough up a few babies, well, that's just how it is. I find your attitude sickening, and I don't understand what you're doing on a libertarian site if that's how you feel about it.

  • Dadlobby||

    "Mother uses baby as shield to thwart arrest". Female privilege and another heroic single mother success story. Tired of standing in line for the public dole she causes a scene, most likely made worse by a government bureaucrat at HRA, but then decides to fight with police and uses female "single mother" privilege to make it the fault of police for endangering the child. And what's a little credit card fraud, a little female impunity here to dismiss the seriousness of the crime. After all, you can't work and get guvmint handouts so you HAVE to commit crimes "to get by".

    And if this was a father how differently it would be viewed.

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