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Parkland Activist David Hogg Victim of 'Swatting.' Was It Attempted Murder?

Filing false police reports isn't funny. It can get people killed.

HoggBruce R. Bennett/ZUMA Press/NewscomA prank caller made a false report to the Broward County Sheriff's Office in Florida this morning, claiming there was a hostage situation unfolding at a certain address. The address was the family residence of Parkland survivor and activist David Hogg.

Thankfully, no one was home—Hogg is in Washington, D.C., with his mother, accepting an award.

In a statement to the media, Hogg brushed off the "silly prank." "It's not going to take our focus off what we're super excited about; the March for Our Lives bus tour to get young people to vote and promote gun law reform" he said.

But swatting—the practice of reporting a false but serious crime at a certain location, in hopes that a SWAT team will show up—is a very serious matter that can get people seriously injured or killed. Plenty can go wrong when law enforcement officers are sent, under false pretenses, to what they believe is the scene of an ongoing crime.

Consider what happened to Andrew Finch, a 28-year-old resident of Wichita, Kansas. On December 28, 2017, two online gamers—Casey Viner and Shane Gaskill—began arguing over the internet. Eventually, Viner threatened to swat Gaskill. Gaskill dared him to do it, and even gave Viner an address. Gaskill then contacted a third man, Tyler Bariss, who was known for swatting people. Bariss contacted the police and told them he had killed his father, was holding another family member hostage, and had doused his home in gasoline. He then gave the police the address.

But Gaskill had tricked them. He no longer lived at the address he supplied; its current occupant was Finch. Police shot him to death as he opened the door for them.

Bariss, Gaskill, and Viner were all arrested. Authorities charged Bariss with involuntary manslaughter, and Gaskill and Viner with wire fraud, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice.

Obviously, a cop who shoots an innocent and unarmed man has made a grave mistake, and police need to be held accountable for their actions. But there's a strong case to be made that swatters are also morally culpable for the actions of the cops. The officer who shot Finch might have been recklessly negligent, but he didn't intend for an innocent person to come to harm. Bariss, Viner, and Gaskill were all fully aware that their criminal actions could very well get somebody killed—indeed, the whole purpose of the prank call was to cause harm. Philosophically, that's the difference between manslaughter and attempted murder.

Reason contributing editor Ken White has written previously in support of revising the California penal code to make swatting a felony, and he thinks other states should do the same.

"Calling an armed law enforcement response to someone's house is attempted murder," he wrote.

I am always hesitant to recommend a legislative remedy. But in the case of swatting, it seems plausible that existing laws are simply not equipped to deal with this frightening method of hurting another person.

Photo Credit: Bruce R. Bennett/ZUMA Press/Newscom

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  • Rebel Scum||

    So what you are saying is that cops are trigger-happy animals who cannot be held culpable for their egregious actions?

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    If only cops had guns, then we would all be safe from the threat of an army of thugs equipped with military grade weaponry from storming our houses and killing people for no reason, or something.

    It's probably Trump's fault, anyway.

  • HGW xx/7||

    Undoubtedly true. Hence, his lack of concern.

    He also probably has such confidence in his "90-year-old scold in a teenage husk" finger-wagging skills that he bets he could shout the guns out of any assailants hands.

    After all, he has the fearsome power of America's idiot teens backing him. You'd think the guy has a messiah complex or something.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Phone and Pen(R) Narcissistic Complex

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Let me guess - this story linked on Brietard and now we see a wave of gun-nutting Contards and Fauxbertarians whining like bitches about a teenagers who dares to question their constitutional right to carry a dick extension, fend of King George III, break up random armed robberies/home invasions, and shoot random n#ggers.
    Fucking gun nuts. You're ruining a great country.
    Turn the guns on yourselves.

  • a tandem||

    Relax and stop ranting about how if we only end the Fourth, Fifth or Second amendment we will all be "safer."

    And we have a "great country." Murder of non criminals in the US is lower than virtually all developed countries. Studies in a dozen US jurisdictions show 90% to3% of murder victims are criminals If you are not a drug dealer, home invader, gang member, etc you are safer in the US than anywhere.

    Or keep up your rants and keep winding why NRA has 58% approvals amount the entire public and support for substantive gun control keeps falling now that the gun control lobby has shown their colors with adovacy of bans for the most common firearms.

    Guns are used to prevent 2.5 million crimes a year. that s why US murder and violent crime rate has plummet as guns increase.

    If you want to deal with violence and murder, increase incarceration rates and take the repeat criminals responsible for virtually all US violent crime off the streets longer.

  • Jerryskids||

    Not just that the cops are animals who are no more culpable for their actions than a retarded chimpanzee, but that everybody knows this to be true.

  • SQRLSY One||

    Then these retards who call the cops on someone letting their 9-year-old play in their back yard, unattended, these cop-calling retards should be up for murder 1st degree as well!!!!

  • perlchpr||

    I'm not opposed to this line of thinking.

  • BYODB||

    That awkward moment when SQRLSY is the reasonable one in the room.

  • JesseAz||

    I wouldn't be shocked of the retard was Hogg himself seeing his 15 minutes wane.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Yah, makes perfect sense, Nutter.

  • a tandem||

    Are you saying Hogg who thrive on drama instead of facts does not have a motive? I don't think ther eis evidence he did or didn't do it, but he and his every shrinking number of and ever less noticed "astrofturf" movement absolutely do have a motive.

    this month we are seeing a drop in support for substantive gun control all polls as the gun control lobby shows its true colors with adovacy of gun bans for law abiding.

    So a drop in news coverage and a drop in public support do mean that gun control lobby people and their nutty followers do have a motive. We live in a world where an NAACP state head mailed in fake bomb threats to their own office, several young Muslim girls have cut up their head scarves and blamed right wing attackers, Young African Americas college kids have hung nooses on their own dorm doors to escape finals.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Duh, everyone knows that.

  • Zeb||

    I don't see any reason not to hold both the cops and the person who fraudulently calls them on someone culpable if an innocent person is harmed or killed. The police need to make sure the information they are given is accurate before using significant force. But the person calling them is also knowingly creating a dangerous situation that a reasonably thoughtful person knows could lead to someone being killed.

  • sarcasmic||

    The police need to make sure the information they are given is accurate before using significant force.

    If they faced consequences for their actions then they would have an incentive to get things right.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    Agreed, Zeb. This one isn't all that complicated.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

  • Nardz||

    "reasonably thoughtful person"

    I'm really not in favor of exempting such a large portion of the population from culpability.
    Don't make false calls to cops

  • Devastator||

    The people who make these prank calls need to go to prison for life. Throw away the key. Everyone knows how trigger happy swat teams are. The people making this call intend for someone to be killed, and they planned it. Right there is premeditate 1st degree murder, as sure as if the prankster put the bullet in someone's head himself.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    If everybody knows how trigger happy SWAT teams are, why exactly is it that we can't do anything about making them less trigger happy?

  • VinniUSMC||

    Now I'm curious. How many times in year are SWAT sent in? And how many of the times that SWAT is called in end up with weapon's discharged?

  • No Yards Penalty||

    that's been reported on Reason. You can look it up.

  • a tandem||

    Indeed this swatting thing is VERY common prank committed by people in Hoggs demographic

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Yes. And he who let's loose those dogs have some culpability as well.

  • Devastator||

    They deserve life in prison for 1st degree attempted murder.

  • damikesc||

    It is also VITALLY important that we have them be the ONLY ones with guns.

    Amirite, Hogg?

  • Z565||

    Owning a gun would increase the odds of cops killing you. I wouldn't want a gun anywhere near if cops were around. I'm not arguing a gun isn't useful in other situations just not when you're confronted by cops.

  • HGW xx/7||

    Sad but understandable. What I don't understand is how the socially conscious response is to disarm the gun owner, since like, his rights can't trump those of a jittery, trigger happy cop.

  • daved||

    Ummmm, nope.

    I've been armed, carrying concealed around cops.

    There's never been a danger.

    What you don't want to do in any event is to be belligerent.

    Cops will never back down if you're aggressive.

    Know the laws in your State.

    If you're carrying and you're obliged to tell a cop when he's questioning you, do so.

  • newlife3.0||

    What's that dudes name? Philando Castile?

  • a tandem||

    Philando Castile was in possession of Marijuana when he was shot, meaning he was ILLEGALLY carrying under the laws covering all 50 states. In fact given the increased gun control under Obama, any marijuana use in your entire life, means you are prohibited from even purchasing a gun.

    And are you basing your views on a single anecdote out of maybe 20 million non law enforcement gun owners carrying regularly?

    Legal gun owners and carriers and their households are 20 to 25% safer than household members of unarmed homes.

    Studies in both NJ and Maryland have shown that the vast majority, over 90% of intentional shootings, and about 85% of accidental shootings and shootings involving kids from a gun in the household, all occur in the ~4% of households with illegal guns.

  • Juice||

    So what you are saying is that cops are trigger-happy animals who cannot be held culpable for their egregious actions?

    The officer who shot Finch might have been recklessly negligent, but he didn't intend for an innocent person to come to harm.

    That's the impression I got.

    He meant well and life's a bitch. Whatcha gonna do?

  • Bubba Jones||

    He meant to pull the trigger on someone with no evidence that person was a risk.

  • EscherEnigma||

    Morally or legally?

    Morally, I'd say no, they can and should be held culpable for their actions.

    Legally? Unfortunately, it seems that one is a "yes", they can and will not be held culpable for their actions.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I've run the numbers and I believe that the incidents of swatting would decrease dramatically if all SWAT teams were disbanded.

  • Don't look at me.||

    No, ban all telephones. Can't call in a swatting if there are no telephones.

  • marshaul||

    Yes, but phones are useful. SWAT teams, in practice, are not.

  • Agammamon||

    The officer who shot Finch might have been recklessly negligent, but he didn't intend for an innocent person to come to harm.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but 'recklessly negligent' basically means he *didn't care* if an innocent person came to harm. Sure, he might not have intended it, but the difference is pretty darn slight here.

  • Don't look at me.||

    The outcome would suggest he did intend it.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    There are no Innocents. Case closed.

  • Martinned||

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but 'recklessly negligent' basically means he *didn't care* about a foreseeable consequence of his actions. Sure, he might have been indifferent, but indifference is not enough to make you liable unless the thing you were indifferent about was a foreseeable consequence of what you did.

  • JWatts||

    Attempted Murder seems a huge stretch. Granted the perpetrators ought to be punished and it's a serious offense. But this headline is hyperbolic.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Most everyone comes for the comments anyway.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Yeah, I expect a ridiculous statement like that from Rico Soave, or Matt Welch, or Nick Gillespie, but I thought Popehat was a little smarter than that.

  • NoVaNick||

    I have no doubt that some gun-grabber tool will call it "attempted murder"

  • ThomasD||

    Swatting is always wrong. But like most other wrongs, there are degrees of severity.

    Swatting an address you know to be unoccupied being lesser than if you know someone home.

  • ThomasD||

    And in this case Hogg is not a victim. He was not there.

  • BYODB||

    What are the odd's that a person would not only call in a SWAT team to this guys house but that they would not be there when it occurred? Bonus points when you realize that one could likely Google Hogg and know they wouldn't be home since they are in Washington, D.C. which is newsworthy (I guess).

    Not saying false flag or anything like that, but it's one hell of a lucky thing I'd say.

  • Ron||

    Conspiracy time. maybe Hogg or his cohorts called it in to show how dangerous pro-gunners are? I wouldn't put past a person who rides his bike to a school shooting then enters and hides with others with camera in hand. That Hogg is a smart kid

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Smarter than gun nutters, that's certain.

  • ThomasD||

    I'm not willing to say false flag, because it just as easily could have been someone else trying to send a message without risking major harm. Could very well have been someone on his own side - there is a lot of money, power, and publicity at stake in the grievance industry. Could be Hogg is being cowed back into file.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    "He was not there."

    Too damn bad, to be sure.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Back to Brietard, Entropy.
    We're over our Contard/fauxbertarian quota around here.

  • DesigNate||

    It seems our libtard/"libertarian socialist" quota never fills up though...

  • Brett Bellmore||

    "Hogg is not a victim. He was not there."

    Life keeps repeating itself. He wasn't there the last time, either.

  • ThomasD||

    I'd double check that. My understanding is that that impression comes from one of his statements where he talks about returning to campus after the shooting, not being clear that he had only left the campus during/shortly after the shooting.

    Although, even if that is the case I'm still not big on the whole 'victim' term. Most weren't in that building and at most, got scared/fled because they heard there was a shooting going on nearby.

    That is a bystander in my book.

    Calling them victims is the equivalent of calling every person in lower Manhattan on 9/11 a victim.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    "Life keeps repeating itself. He wasn't there the last time, either."

    Another retard who gets his ''facts'' from The Big Fat Idiot's radio show.

  • a tandem||

    By the defintion used by Hogg and the gun control lobby, the entire population are "survivors" of the Fourth and/or Fifth amendment caused violence, murder and mayhem too.

    A neighbor of mine was assaulted by a guy who had been let off on a prior arrest due to a warrant technicality. So I am a "survivor of "Fourth amendment violence."

  • ravenshrike||

    Just make it a felony in the first place. That way if someone does die, the felony murder rule goes into effect.

  • Devastator||

    Attempted 1st degree murder is the right charge. Any reasonable jury will come to this conclusion. Sending in a group of trigger happy SWAT team members is basically a death sentence, and the prankster needs to pay for that whether someone gets hurt or not; it is their intention to cause death and violence on the people in the house. Thus they need to be tossed in prison without possibility for parole for the rest of their natural lives.

  • Jerryskids||

    Shit, Hogg called the Swatting on himself - he knows better than anybody the Sheriff's Department ain't responding to that situation by going in with guns blazing. If it was a serious attempt at a Swatting, the PD would have been summoned instead of the county cowards.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Everyone knows only leftist proggies engage in acts that initiate violence. Conservatives only engage in peaceful protests.

  • John||

    For the most part that is true. But it is only a matter of time before the right becomes the same way. Sadly the Left is too dumb to understand that

  • Devastator||

    RIght and Left both have snowflakes and nutters because they are made up of humans and those two groups abound across an equal distribution of all political persuasions.

  • rituviv||

    I like how nothing you said had anything to do with what he said. The whiff of delirium from your post was sublime.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    Not a terrible theory, even if meant in jest. What better way to get back in the news.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Most likely theory. It also explains why the house was Swatted while he was away. It's safer that way, he'd have been running some personal risk if he'd arranged for it to happen while he was present.

    I'm serious, hate crime hoaxes outnumber real hate crimes, and claiming to have received death threats is such a common tactic on the left it's become cliché.

  • Chris Cat||

    I'm serious. Hoax hate crime hoaxes are the new white.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Most likely theory. It also explains why the house was Swatted while he was away.

    Well, the call log should determine who actually did it, whether it was some random guy looking to get Hogg shot by the cops, or if it was Hogg himself (or one of this associates from the Burger King Kids Club like Sinead O' Lopez). If it turns out to be the latter, Hogg will have effectively killed whatever credibility he had as an activist, but I doubt that's the case.

  • ThomasD||

    Pay phones still exist. As do burner phones. I doubt the call logs will show anything useful.

  • ravenshrike||

    OTOH, if the person who made the call was in the D.C. area that would be pretty damned suspicious.

  • Nige||

    It is, in fact, the least likely theory but it will be the most repeated, certainly.

  • Mark22||

    It is, in fact, the least likely theory but it will be the most repeated, certainly.

    Why is it "the least likely theory"? Seems pretty likely to me, given that (1) he wasn't home, (2) his 15 minutes of fame are running out, and (3) he's so calm about it.

  • Nige||

    Absolutely none of those are anything like persuasive arguments, whereas the fact that he's made an enemy of an army of alt-right internet keyboard warriors with no ethical boundaries who do this sort of thing for the lulz weighs heavily in the other direction.

  • VinniUSMC||

    Absolutely none of those are anything like persuasive arguments so let me advance my own ridiculous, evidence-free accusations.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Nige is more likely right than M22 and his Limbaugh-inspired notions.

  • Nige||

    Are you telling me Hogg has not made an enemy of an army of alt-right internet keyboard warriors with no ethical boundaries who do this sort of thing for the lulz?

  • DesigNate||

    Being a 2A supporter does not make you "alt-right" you mendacious fuck.

    And the people that do this kind of thing for the lulz are retarded ass 14 year olds playing call of duty in their mom's basement and fucking internet trolls.

  • a tandem||

    Are you saying there are not a every increasing number of hoax hate crimes from an army of alt-left keyboard warriors with no ethical bounties?

    In my wife's former home town there was just a case of a young Muslim girl Hogg's age whose headscarf was "cut up" it became a huge cause celbre and national news. I turns out she cut it up herself. We have African American college students who escaped final exams due to nooses being put up on their dorm doors who admitted later to doing it themselves.

    It is much more likely that someone sympathetic to Hogg did this for publicity

  • Ben of Houston||

    When the choices are
    1: one random, angry, stupid person thinking that it would be funny, or
    2: Hogg taking a huge risk to make himself a victim, potentially undermining any credibility and getting himself a jail sentence to essentially no effect.

    I think that the evidence falls quite heavily on option one.

    As to why he's so calm, most people think of a prank police call as little more than a fake pizza delivery. They don't think about it until they've had it done to them. Besides, what else is he supposed to say? How scared he is? In fact, mocking the caller is the only rational thing to do.

  • Mark22||

    I think that the evidence falls quite heavily on option one.

    That's not "evidence" that's a supposition. Furthermore, given that Hogg has already proven to be not very bright and a publicity whore, I don't see why (2) is implausible. Quite a lot of threats and online harassment have turned out to be self-inflicted.

  • Nige||

    These are certainly among the milder things the army of alt-right keyboard warriors and gun extremists say about him, but they really don't count for proof of anything other than evidence of what such people will say and do about their political enemies, which now includes SWATting.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    M22.
    Still butt-hurt that a teenager is getting over on gun owners.
    Fucking gun nutter.

  • a tandem||

    @no yards, support for additional substantive gun control is now falling in all polls. The gun control lobby has shot itself in the foot -- again. They keep creating more gun owners

  • Ben of Houston||

    There is evidence. The simple fact is that the police took it seriously and did not immediately arrest Hogg as they would if he was connected to faking it. That is evidence that it is legitimate. While the possibility of deceit exists, that is not evidence. That is supposition to patch the complete absence of evidence.

    Sorry, I didn't spell this out initially, but I thought this was obvious.

    With no other evidence in evidence, I see no reason to think this is anything other than what it appears to be at first glance.

  • a tandem||

    Ben, that is not "evidence"

    there is more evidence and likelihood it was a supporter of Hogg. This is precisely the kind of artificial drama the gun control lobby lives on

  • Ben of Houston||

    Tandem. What evidence do you have that it's a false flag other than your own hopes that it is?

    There are fools and hotheads on almost all sides of almost every argument on every issue. The idea that one of them is so foolish as to do this isn't outlandish in the least.

    Unless you have reason to believe that there is more underlying this, the basic facts of the case are all we have, and claims that it was a false flag are nothing more than a conspiracy theory. I don't have evidence that it WASN'T a false flag because isn't near-impossible to prove a negative.

  • Mark22||

    Incidentally, I suspect that like rape, swatting is predominantly carried out by acquaintances.

  • damikesc||

    You know, for a guy who seems to have no problem flying off the handle at all issues...he seems awfully calm about this.

    Ingraham mocks him and its rage and fury.
    A swatting and...crickets?

    Something seems off.

  • Nige||

    Could it be that you are wrong about him and mischaracterising his behaviour out of malice and animus?

  • damikesc||

    None of his behavior to date indicates he'd take a potential threat to his or his family's life as a "harmless prank". It is completely out of the norm for him.

  • Nige||

    It's certainly not the response of someone who did it to himself to stoke outrage and garner attention.

  • croaker||

    It wouldn't surprise me if Little Shitler did exactly that to keep himself in the spotlight.

  • Devastator||

    No he didn't. This was caused by some right wing loon who shouts "der comin' ta take mah gun" to anyone who will listen. Now send this nutter off to jail.

  • DajjaI||

    It was just a 'silly prank'?? What happened to "Will I Be Next?" ??

    This really exposes the hypocrisy of his movement. (And yes I CONDEMN this credible attack on his life, even if he doesn't care.)

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    Yeah, I would not be sad if he got hit by a bus, but don't condone violence against anyone.

  • Tony||

    This really exposes the hypocrisy of his movement.

    Really? Is that was this does?

  • rituviv||

    Tony's lack of awareness show through again.

  • Tony||

    Teenagers whose friends were murdered all around them have to be perfectly articulate and cogent.

    The president--somewhere between an infant and a toddler.

  • rituviv||

    No dumbass, the point was that Dajjal is a troll whi intentionally says the most inflammatory things he can, and you're so fucking stupid and unaware that you didn't know what literally everyone else does.

  • Tony||

    There are much worse trolls, such as the two who regularly call for me to be sent to a death camp or summarily executed where I stand, but I believe them to be totally sincere, so how am I supposed to know?

  • rituviv||

    That there are much worse means nothing, you have so little awareness that you fell for Dajjal's post, and didn't understand why you were being laughed at for it.

  • Tony||

    So it's not an antisemitic wackjob, it's a parody of one? Nope, didn't know that. Stupid me.

  • rituviv||

    Yes, many years of his trolling means yes, exactly, stupid, unaware, self-involved you.

  • rituviv||

    "so how am I supposed to know?"

    That someone is a known, obvious, and admitted troll? And almost always posts intentionally inflammatory rhetoric?

    I dunno, have some fucking awareness of something other than what goes. on in your pea brain?

    Read maybe?

    Nah, making excuses works I guess.

  • Tony||

    Rarely am I accused of interacting too little with the Reason comments community.

  • rituviv||

    No actually, it happens all the time.

    You confuse splattering your ill considered opinion with interaction.

  • Tony||

    Well I certainly don't know who the fuck you are. And who pissed in your cheerios anyway?

  • rituviv||

    Wait, you think I'm MAD!?!!?!?

    I'm loving this, your idiot ass fell for a known troll, do you not recognize taking the piss?

  • rituviv||

    "Well I certainly don't know who the fuck you are"

    That's the point fuckhole, you don't know any of us. Even the known, admitted, long time trolls like Dajjal

    God damn you are hilariously stupid

  • Tony||

    I'm not good with names.

  • rituviv||

    Or much of anything else, other than splattering your opinion everywhere.

  • Tony||

    That's not what your mom said.

  • rituviv||

    Oh look, after getting his head kicked in for his deep self involvement, he offers up an incoherent "your mom" quip.

    I like when I reduce you to gibberish.

  • Tony||

    I would explain that the subtext of that joke is that you are not worthy of any more effort, but I don't like to explain jokes.

  • rituviv||

    You're a gay man making your mom jokes.

    You sound like a retard doing so.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Tony, I merely want our country's existing treason laws used to their maximum extent where you are concerned. Or, you could try, for once, not being a slaver commie traitor. But we both know that won't hapoen.

  • Tony||

    But the guy who conspired with Russia to subvert a national election gets to stay?

  • Ariki||

    citation needed.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    " such as the two who regularly call for me to be sent to a death camp or summarily executed where I stand"

    There are ONLY two?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Teenagers whose friends were murdered all around them have to be perfectly articulate and cogent.

    No, and I don't think people really expect him to be cogent. Kids are stupid, he's a kid, he's stupid. The problem is that he's NOT articulate or cogent, but is given special status in the debate even though he does not add anything meaningful to the discussion.

  • Tony||

    So is he a threat to the gun nuts precious rights, or are they just sadistic cunts?

  • gimmedatribeye||

    You trivialize the 2nd amendment rights of US citizens and use misleading, dishonest pejoratives ("gun nuts") to describe people who advocate for the conservation of those rights, but gay people? I bet you bend over backwards to support every one of their causes.

  • DesigNate||

    Actually, he bends over forwards...

  • a tandem||

    tony, Your constant refrain that we must sharply limit forth, Fifth and Second Amendment rights because "gun murder has been rising for 25 years" is telling.

    In fact US gun murder has been declining for 25 years.

  • ||

    ^^ This guy gets it.

  • ||

    I meant BestUsedCarSales. Tony is just a sadistic intellectual cunt.

  • DajjaI||

    It's also a war between the FBI's kids (David's father is a retired agent) and their victims. E.g. Cunanon and the Las Vegas shooter were both sons of FBI targets and the Orlando shooter was the son of a CIA agent who felt abandoned. (Manchester bomber was also son of MI6 agent who was double-crossed.)

  • rituviv||

    I bet Tony is so fucking stupid that you'll fish him in twice.

  • DajjaI||

    Just curious - are you for or against gun control? Or are you a 'common sense restrictions' kind of guy? Also if you support gun control, what are you doing here? Because then fine but then why would you call me a 'troll' when I am a standard issue libertarian?

  • rituviv||

    Keep at it, you'll get him again for sure

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Authorities charged Bariss with involuntary manslaughter, and Gaskill and Viner with wire fraud, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice.
    ...
    I am always hesitant to recommend a legislative remedy. But in the case of swatting, it seems plausible that existing laws are simply not equipped to deal with this frightening method of hurting another person.

    Seems like there are already laws on the books you could charge people with. Although I suppose one could argue that the penalties for wire fraud, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice aren't severe enough punishment for deliberately sending a band of armed 'roided up sociopaths to someone's house.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    There aren't already laws against intentionally making false reports to cops? That's surprising. Maybe we just need harsher sentences when such reports result in homicide.

    Also, we could try punishing cops who murder innocent people.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    we could try punishing cops who murder innocent people.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not go crazy here!

  • Devastator||

    No, charge whatever you like, but this action is clearly at it's core attempted 1st degree (planned out) murder and should result in a life sentence without possibility of parole.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Thankfully, no one was home—Hogg is in Washington, D.C., with his mother...

    I wonder if the cops fixed the door they undoubtedly kicked in or if their front door is now just sitting there wide open so that anyone could now walk in and take their shit?

  • Don't look at me.||

    What was that address again? Asking for a friend.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    If I saw a broken down door, I would definitely go in and take a shit.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    It looks like someone is trying to...

    [dons sunglasses]

    ...Hogg all the sympathy points.

  • John||

    If he was swatted, they need to find out who did it and punish them severely. This shit has got to stop.

  • Billy Bones||

    "This shit has got to stop"

    The swatting or the picking on the mentally disabled?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    We should probably stop both.

  • Tony||

    Maybe people like you should stop doing your part to turn him into a rightwing boogeyman du jour.

  • rituviv||

    John owns CNN?

  • damikesc||

    Perhaps he shouldn't be demanding the violation of my Constitutional rights.

  • Devastator||

    Were you the one who called? You can't just sentence someone to death, and ain't nobody coming to take yer guns.

  • damikesc||

    You caught me. I called it in. Sure, I don't know his address. Don't know the number for his local department either. And don't have the desire to look up either.

    It was me. It was me all along.

    Step up your troll game, son.

  • damikesc||

    Perhaps he shouldn't be demanding the violation of my Constitutional rights.

  • Tony||

    You don't have a constitutional right to own a semiautomatic rifle, son. We've been over this. And unlike me David Hogg and co. aren't after all the guns.

  • rituviv||

    "We've been over this"

    And your misreading and misquoting of Scalia was explained to you.

  • Tony||

    So there is settled case law that says semiautomatic rifles are protected under the 2nd amendment?

  • rituviv||

    This has all been explained to you repeatedly. Are you suffering from some legit memory issue?

  • Tony||

    I remember people telling me there is a right to own these guns (meaning government can't restrict them) because, and I quote, "I really really want there to be one! Mommy can I have a right??"

  • rituviv||

    See, this is where your admitted memory problems make you look foolish, because you forget the in depth discussion of Scalia and your mistakes on his ruling.

    Get better.

  • Tony||

    So states cannot restrict the ownership of semiautomatic rifles?

    That seems to be the claim you're making.

  • rituviv||

    No, the claim I am making is that this has all been explained to you as recently as last Friday, and your memory issues are fairly severe if you legitimately can't remember that. I've been quite clear, it's right there to be read.

    See a neurologist, you sound like you need one.

  • Tony||

    So is that a yes?

  • rituviv||

    Since you can't read very well, no, it was not a yes.

    It was a "stop pretending you don't remember having this explained to you, unless you actually don't remember, in which case, see a specialist, you have real brain problems"

  • Tony||

    Someone explained to me that states are prohibited from restricting ownership of semiautomatic weapons?

  • rituviv||

    You really don't remember?

    Now I'm starting to feel bad for making fun of you, because you have actual neurocognitive issues.

  • Tony||

    So who's telling California that its gun restrictions are void?

  • rituviv||

    See a doctor Tony, I'm concerned for your health.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Many of them will be.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    2nd Amendment:
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    We've been over this Tony. The 2nd Amendment protects the right of the people to keep and bear Arms. All arms- ships, tanks, machine guns, knives, grenades, pistols, and any other weapon that can be created.

    The states are bound to the 2nd Amendment protection via the 14th Amendment.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""So there is settled case law that says semiautomatic rifles are protected under the 2nd amendment?"'


    I wonder if you know anything about rifles or have had any experience with them. If you did you would know that semiautos are the most common kind of rifle and handgun sold. Few people want a bolt action unless it is vintage, or a specific model. The fact that semiautos are so common and have been for a long time, is the basis for many claims that they would be covered under the 2A.

    yeah, I can have my .50 cal bolt action but not a semiauto .22? That would not be a sensible gun control law.

  • DesigNate||

    But the .22 shoots one bullet per trigger pull.

    One. Bullet!?1!/!!!!!11!

  • gimmedatribeye||

    Those big, scary AR-15s!!!

    Toughen up, snowflake.

  • Rebel Scum||

    You don't have a constitutional right to own a semiautomatic rifle

    Actually, I most assuredly DO have a right to own a modern technology weapon. Tech changes, rights do not. That we differ on this matter is not of great consequence...until you try to enforce your will on me. Then we will see who has what rights.

  • Tony||

    If rights are whatever we say they are, doesn't that open a can of worms?

    Like I could just say I have a right to all your stuff. And what with my bigger arsenal, who's gonna disagree?

  • damikesc||

    Tony, you have zero right to type anything on the internet. Anything you type should lead to criminal prosecution.

    That'd be reality if we used your reading of the Second Amendment for the First.

    Yet, without the Second, there won't be a First any longer.

  • Tony||

    What's preventing the government from infringing upon the first amendment is not the threat of fat cousinfucking rednecks shooting up the place.

  • Rebel Scum||

    cousinfucking rednecks

    Always with this. Given leftist propensity for projecting, is there something you would like to share with us?

  • Tony||

    You got me. I'm royalty. My family has been fucking itself for a thousand years. *sobs*

  • rituviv||

    That explains your memory problems.

  • Tony||

    No my drinking problem explains that.

  • rituviv||

    As long as you finally own up to both.

    Like you just did there.

    Things might still work out for you.

  • damikesc||

    What's preventing the government from infringing upon the first amendment is not the threat of fat cousinfucking rednecks shooting up the place.

    Odd, because countries with heavy gun control also tend to have incredibly restrictive speech rights.

    If the UK had armed citizens, there wouldn't be jail sentences for jokes.

  • Tony||

    Meh. It's free enough. Have you seen their tabloids? Also people don't get shot all the time.

  • ||

    Also people don't get shot all the time.

    Thank God!

  • damikesc||

    "Free enough" is the cry of the libertarian.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Aw Tony, YOU are the one saying we don't have gun rights.

    The Constitution which our government gets its authority from says that the People do have the right to keep and bear Arms.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    that'll change soon enough, LoveC.
    We're had about enough of you nutters running the show.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    No Tony, rights are what a God says, as enshrined in our constitution. As as sociopathic Marxist traitor, this concept is not understandable by you.

  • Tony||

    Which deity would that be?

  • No Yards Penalty||

    He's the one pictured on the wall next to the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
    I think fundamentals call it The Holy Trinity.

  • damikesc||

    You don't have a constitutional right to own a semiautomatic rifle, son

    The Second Amendment is pretty clear on a right to bear arms. Nothing is said as far as limitations, sorry.

    And unlike me David Hogg and co. aren't after all the guns.

    They've already said they are. Try and do better, son.

  • ||

    You don't have a constitutional right to own a semiautomatic rifle, son.

    Yes you do. Heller settled this definitively. The gun that Heller was required to carry occupationally but was denied ownership of had a rifled barrel and was semi-automatic.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The 2nd Amendment settled the gun issue.

  • ||

    If only.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Good to see you reminding us of the extremist view, LoveC.
    Now take Trump's cock out of your ass.

  • DesigNate||

    Get bent, asshole.

  • Mark22||

    We've been over this. And unlike me David Hogg and co. aren't after all the guns.

    I assume that both Hogg and you are lying through your teeth in anything you say.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    The rest of us assume you're a gun-fapping piece of shit.

  • a tandem||

    Relax, evidence is that 60% of Americans now own guns.
    http://assets.pewresearch.org/.....60x367.png

    If you are not a prior criminal, owing a gun makes you and your household about 25% safer than homes with no guns.

  • Rebel Scum||

    He has done that himself.

    And maybe stop making the NRA into the leftwing boogeyman du jour

  • Tony||

    One is a kid whose friends were murdered at his school. The other is some crusty old assholes who high-five each other whenever there's a school shooting because of the profits they bring in.

  • damikesc||

    And the kids who are members of the NRA and had the police hassle him when he and his dad went to a gun range.

    The kid was also class valedictorian.

    The NRA does well when Leftist asshats like you try and take guns.

    I still find it amazing that we cannot deport 20M illegals...but you think taking 300M+ guns won't be a problem.

  • Tony||

    Why don't we deport Trumptards and solve everyone's problem?

  • rituviv||

    Because they won.

  • Tony||

    But what did they win? An all-expenses-paid reality TV show where an orange fat man trolls libturds?

  • rituviv||

    It seems to be working on you.

  • TxJack 112||

    Yeah and every one of you idiots fall for it every freaking day. I cannot believe after 500 days in office, you are too stupid to grasp 99% of his tweets are intended to do one thing, make all of you losers go ape shit and you do it every time.

  • Tony||

    Is that any way to govern the world's most powerful country? Are you condoning it or just explaining it?

    Because I kinda think he might actually be sort of trolling but also sort of fucking insane.

  • damikesc||

    He does that while doing more good than Obama.

    He also spends less time Tweeting than Obama did obsessing over his NCAA brackets.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    "Is that any way to govern the world's most powerful country? Are you condoning it or just explaining it?"

    Personally, I think it is far more Constitutional that governing by Phone and Pen(R).

  • Mark22||

    An all-expenses-paid reality TV show where an orange fat man trolls libturds?

    That too. More importantly, what we got is that we don't have a psychopathic, authoritarian, mass murdering, vaginaed person in the White House.

  • damikesc||

    Why don't we let you and your little fascist friends in Europe to create the fascist utopia that you so desire. Europe already has a storied history of fascism.

  • TxJack 112||

    Do you have the capacity to make any comments other than childish moronic insults? At least use something original. Using the same lame ass labels used on every other website is pathetic. Oh by the way, the reason you cannot deport "Trumptards" is they are all US citizens and have the same rights as you. Of course, freedom of speech is one of those rights and why you constantly embarrass yourself by spewing such idiotic drivel.

  • perlchpr||

    Probably way closer to 400M+, actually.

  • Rebel Scum||

    who high-five each other whenever there's a school shooting because of the profits they bring in.

    Enough about leftist gun-grabbers.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    "One is a kid whose friends were murdered at his school."

    There are 3600 or so people in Parkland's student body. Is there actual evidence that of them, that ANY of the 17 actual victims were even acquainted with this punk kid? L

    "The other is some crusty old assholes who high-five each other whenever there's a school shooting because of the profits they bring in."

    No, the NRA hates these tragic events. The people that are high giving are you, Spros, amd other gun grabbers. Anxious for a chance to steal our rightfully, legally owned firearms. Which isn't much of a stretch for progressives as you all cheer whenever another baby is murdered through some ghastly vacuum procedure.

    You're evil Tony, just admit it.

  • Tony||

    Every time there's a mass shooting, gun sellers sell more guns and no laws get changed. So who are they good for again?

  • damikesc||

    Well, more of David's friends would have lived if the resource officer David defends had done his damned job.

    Just sayin'. David is defending the guy who was infinitely more responsible for the carnage than the NRA.

  • gimmedatribeye||

    You're spinning it to make it sound like it's good for them.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Tony, you and your friends ghoulishly politicize these events. Often within minutes of being reported, and before there is any credible information. That free Americans, wary of your oppression, choose to hedge their bets and stock up isn't part of any conscious act from vendors of firearms.

    Once again, there is no equivalence, except in the minds of evil marxists, such as yourself.

  • BigChiefWahoo||

    "The other is some crusty old assholes who high-five each other every time there is a school shooting because of the profits they bring in"

    Yeah? You think the educated east coast assholes over at the Brady Campaign don't high-five each other every time there's a school shooting because of the favorable publicity and political advantage it will get them? You don't think politically powerful pro-big-government assholes like Schumer and Feinstein don't high-five each other after every school shooting because of the political advantage to them?

    You think your good intentions insulate you from the assholishness of the people who agree with you?

  • damikesc||

    Thing is, 911 is able to trace calls. They know what number calls come from. And they can subpoena records if the caller ID is blocked. If they wanted to prosecute this to stop it...they could do so.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Burner phone, purchased with cash. It's a cheap investment if you're going to commit a crime that might get somebody killed.

    The only real answer is to radically reduce the use of SWAT teams.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    I don't know enough about the technology, bit i imagine one could probably track down where the phone was purchased, get a reasonable sales timeframe, then watch security footage.

  • rituviv||

    Everything you're saying is true, and easily avoided. Hoodie/hat and cash payment make identification basically impossible.

  • ||

    I don't know enough about the technology, bit i imagine one could probably track down where the phone was purchased, get a reasonable sales timeframe, then watch security footage.

    It's also a lot of time and money invested into a prank you won't be present for, may not witness, and doesn't have any particular guaranteed outcome even if you did witness it. Not quite like having anonymous pizzas delivered.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    No, actually whoever did it was guaranteed a fortune in publicity, paying $30 for a disposable prepaid phone was a bargain.

    Hogg could afford it out of his allowance without even noticing the hit.

  • ||

    No, actually whoever did it was guaranteed a fortune in publicity, paying $30 for a disposable prepaid phone was a bargain.

    Hogg could afford it out of his allowance without even noticing the hit.

    Without commenting on Hogg's case specifically, there's no guarantee that the police roll up on the residence guns blazing.

    And at the point where you're paying for a phone and having a professional fraudster act on your behalf it's getting beyond the notion of a popular, but nefarious, 'prank' with an unknown outcome and more towards a criminal enterprise with a desired outcome. A self-limiting phenomenon or feedback loop if you will.

    Regarding Hogg's case specifically; he may be egomaniacal enough to do it, I can't really say. However, if you believe he is, there's little I can say about the rationality or stupidity of swatting yourself or your own home to convince you otherwise.

  • Libertymike||

    Nevertheless, boy, does he have a face you just want to pummel.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    The jocks in Hogg's school are horribly remiss in their duties.

  • Mark22||

  • Brett Bellmore||

    I believe Hitler Jr is egomaniacal enough, but that doesn't mean he actually did it. We may never know who was responsible.

    But he seemed pretty chill about a prank that might have resulted in his family's death. You'd normally expect somebody to be really, really pissed off about something like that. He just treated it as an opportunity to get his message out.

    Which may be what it was intended to be.

  • ||

    But he seemed pretty chill about a prank that might have resulted in his family's death.

    Maybe you didn't see the video of him locked in a closet while people were being murdered down the hall from him. I don't like the guy but undaunted asshole is kinda his schtick. It makes a *lot* more sense when you realize his father is an FBI agent.

    Come to think of it, it's pretty awesome that the SWAT team will kick in the door of an FBI Agent's family though. And holy fuck would I not fault anyone for tumbling down that conspiratorial rabbit hole.

  • damikesc||

    I don't like the guy but undaunted asshole is kinda his schtick.

    Well, unless you donate to a candidate he doesn't like.

    Or make a joke about him.

    Or accept funds from the NRA.

    Then he kinda melts down. Pretty badly.

    I've had a gun pointed at my head twice. Three times if you count the time I had a laser site reflecting off my rearview mirror from some shitkicking idiot pointing some rifle at me. I didn't freak out about any of those until hours after the fact (have nightmares about one of them to this day). Being calm in the moment, while nice, isn't evidence that shit don't get to you.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's weird isn't it?

    I still sometimes I think about this time I had to wrestle a gun from a friend who was having a weird freakout. I had to walk up to him with him pointing at me, and point it away and take it as he was jabbering on about something (Mental illness is rough).

    At the time I did all of that, I look back and wonder what the hell I was doing? I'm such a giant pussy in life. Fucking crazy. Still think about how I could have died.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    I recall back in the '90's, being at one of the "Brass Roots" rallies in Lansing, with police snipers on the roofs around us, watching us through their rifle scopes. Like they thought the mothers with strollers were going to toss their babies aside, pull gats out from the strollers, and mount an attack on the capitol building.

    I think, though, I was actually more upset about watching the journalists carefully choosing their camera angles to avoid getting any of the black marchers in the frame. Can't upset the narrative, you know! The militia movement was lily white, and that was that!

  • Elias Fakaname||

    "Maybe you didn't see the video of him locked in a closet while people were being murdered down the hall from him."

    That would be news to me. Everything I've heard says that at most he was in a different building, and possibly not on campus at the time of the shoot No.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Yep. Looked it up. This kid was in a different building. Was never close to being in harm's way. And certainly wasn't 'down the hall' from anyone getting shot.

  • Devastator||

    The person who did this probably got sexual pleasure out of it and is on he 24th masturbatory session since the news hit the big leagues. His pecker is probably just about ready to fall off.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Too many people watch crime drama movies with practically omniscient records at the police' finger tips, and think that stuff is real.

    We're headed towards the panopticon society, but we're not there yet.

  • Devastator||

    You're not in england friend. It's easy to drive to an empty field and toss the burner after making the call.

  • ThomasD||

    Pay phones, while rare, also do still exist. Especially in places with large numbers of migrants or transients. Should you ever want one a bus station is a good place to look.

  • markm23||

    What are the chances that there is a security camera recording who uses the pay phone - if the cops get off their butts, trace the call, and get the recording before it's overwritten?

  • Dillinger||

    >>The only real answer is to radically reduce the use of SWAT teams.

    word.

  • Devastator||

    Who hold people accountable for these calls and give them life sentences for 1st degree murder (or attempted murder).

  • sarcasmic||

    Obviously, a cop who shoots an innocent and unarmed man has made a grave mistake, and police need to be held accountable for their actions.

    Police can't be held accountable for their actions. To do so would erode the public trust. Seriously, that's their attitude. That we'll trust them more if they get away with murder than if they are punished for their crimes. I guess it's because if they're never found guilty, then that means they didn't do anything wrong and they should be trusted. Or something.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    False flag!

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Parkland Activist David Hogg Victim of 'Swatting.' Was It Attempted Murder?

    I would say it's a horribly malicious act worthy of jail time because a death is a very possible outcome.

    However, there's a tiny part of me that wonders if there was any recognition of the irony when the only people Mr. Hogg believes should own an AR15 came though his door with them.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    No.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Did the SWAT team wait outside and then resign in disgrace?

  • perlchpr||

    *laughs*

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Imagine If Someone Had Swatted Kyle Kashuv

    This comment board would be teeming with responses such as THIS IS HOW THE LEFT INTIMIDATES ITS ENEMIES INTO SILENCE

  • ThomasD||

    Can you argue facts? Or must you always resort to fantasizing about what you imagine non-leftists to be thinking?

  • damikesc||

    1) Any evidence a conservative did this?
    2) Anybody here defending it?

  • markm23||

    I'm not defending it - if it's real. Over 75% of supposed hate crimes and conservative attacks on leftists have turned out to be faked, so the odds are pretty good that Hogg or one of his pals called in that tip.

  • ||

    Imagine If Someone Had Swatted Kyle Kashuv

    Why? Was Kyle Kashuv being honored in DC too?

  • damikesc||

    I imagine Kyle wouldn't say "no big deal" if it happened.

  • Dillinger||

    does it matter why the cops are at the door if they're going to open fire on the dude who opens regardless?

  • TxJack 112||

    No it was harassment of a arrogant self serving jackass. Whoever did it should be arrested for wasting the time and resources of the police. However, I do not feel sorry for the little weasel. When you step into the spotlight and present yourself as the savior of all and attack everyone who dares to express a different point of view, you should not be surprised when someone decides to hit back.

  • Don't look at me.||

    But he has good intentions. So...

  • Tony||

    So you're referring to any activist on any side of any cause, right?

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Since he's not you, yes. Moral flexibility is more your thing.

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    Alt text:

    "Here come the man with the look in his eye
    Fed on nothing but full of pride"
    INXS

  • Ken Shultz||

    This anti-gun guy is getting free exposure courtesy of Robby . . .

    *Because there's some kind of libertarian question about whether swatting should be illegal from a libertarian perspective?

    I don't see the controversy there.

    *Because conservatives need to be held accountable for silencing speech, too?

    Robby seems to think no one would know that conservatives aren't as committed to free speech as real libertarians if he wasn't here to remind us.

    *Because . . . ?

    I noticed one of the Koch brothers announced his retirement from politics and such today. Hope that doesn't mean Reason needs to rely on readers for support. They may have burned that bridge a long time ago.

  • Devastator||

    The Right and Left are equally guilty of being snowflakes about freedom of speech. That is as easy to prove as reading rags from either side.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    At one time I might have agreed on that equivalency, but at least for the last decade, and especially recently, the left has been a hell of a lot more aggressive in attacking freedom of speech.

    Now, this may be just because of the dawning realization on both sides that, if there's going to be censorship, the left will end up getting to be the censors. But it's still real.

  • daved||

    First, cops have become like the mafia and gang bangers in that they see their legitimacy in earning their bones. That means killing someone.

    Gaskill did nothing wrong. He made no threat.

    This is all on Bariss and Viner. And Viner should be charged with murder as well.

  • Mark22||

    Thankfully, no one was home—Hogg is in Washington, D.C., with his mother, accepting an award. ... In a statement to the media, Hogg brushed off the "silly prank."

    My, what a coincidence. Sounds almost like Hogg swatted himself.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    "My, what a coincidence. Sounds almost like Hogg swatted himself."

    Sounds lke you get your ''ideas" from the Big Fat Idiot's radio show.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    NYP, fuck off. You're a useless piece of shit.

  • Hank Phillips||

    There is something about a nationalsocialist advocate of Kristallnacht laws piñata-swatting at the Bill of Rights getting actual Gestapo Gangs sent to shoot his dog and person--on pretext no less idiotic than those daily and sagely approved by the Methodist White Terror--that appeals hugely to one's sense of schadenfreude.

  • Ken Shultz||

    If he misses the irony of wanting to bring the power of the police to bear against a hundred million law-abiding Americans--who have never done anything wrong or hurt anyone with their gun--then I don't take pleasure in his being victimized. It's more like we should use that to expose this guy's sick lack of empathy for other people.

    Has it really never occurred to him that turning millions of Americans into criminals--even though they've never violated anyone's rights--and subjecting them to law enforcement might be morally wrong? If he can't see why using the police to target innocent people is wrong--even after he's been victimized himself that way--then, yeah, he may be a psychopath.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    It would be deeply ironic if the little shitbag was being robbed at knifepoint and a private citizen with a legally carried firearm saved his dumb ass.

  • Number 2||

    Hey great! Let's "solve" another problem by creating yet another crime that can be applied absurdly, that prosecutors can use to coerce guilty pleas, that can be disproportionately enforced against the disadvantaged and unpopular, and that thirty years from now, we'll be condemning as an example of overcriminalization.

  • Sevo||

    "It's not going to take our focus off what we're super excited about; the March for Our Lives bus tour to get young people to vote and promote gun law reform" he said."

    Retch!
    Maybe he'll grow up, but Tony is here to remind us that many don't.

  • Devastator||

    Given how often people die in these "swattings", it should be considered attempted murder. There should be zero tolerance for wasting the police's time or having them act like your personal hit squad. They need to hunt down this piece of shit who did it and give him life in prison. A couple of those and the little punks who pull this shit will at least pause and consider if their prank is worth life in prison.

  • The Metonymy||

    Wait.

    Parkland cops responded to a call?

  • DesigNate||

    Burn!

  • BenjaminTheDonkey||

    I enjoy the admission that whenever the police are involved in a situation, the possibility of being murdered by them is part and parcel to their presence.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Gun Nutters trying to kill Hogg?
    I'm surprised it took you fucking weirdos that long to try it.
    #GunOwnersRFuckingCrazy

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Go drink Drano you dumb bitch.

  • Stephen Seligman||

    Swatting is wrong. That said, this is kinda ironic.

  • Used Septic Trucks||

    Yeah, I am making is that this has all been explained to you as recently as last Friday, and your memory issues are fairly severe if you legitimately can't remember this.

  • marshaul||

    I would like to take this opportunity to point out that the sort of laws Hogg advocates for, in the context of American policing today, are tantamount to "SWATting" every American gun owner who isn't a LEO.

    SWATing is egregiously immoral, also.

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